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The weekly manga and light novels rankings for August 12th - 18th

Rank / This week's sales by copies / Cumulative sales / Titles

Manga
*1. 290,893 1,054,915 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.11
*2. 258,568 2,487,632 One Piece Vol.71
*3. 238,934 *,261,522 Mix Vol.3
*4. 170,999 *,170,999 Fairy Tail Vol.39
*5. 169,654 *,170,657 Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun Vol.12
*6. *93,963 *,*93,963 Nanatsu no Taizai Vol.4
*7. *88,745 *,*88,745 Ace of Diamond Vol.37
*8. *82,199 *,275,066 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.11 - Special Edition
*9. *75,493 *,619,682 Ao no Exorcist Vol.11
10. *74,489 *,*74,489 Hajime no Ippo Vol.104

11. *70,516 1,549,182 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.10
12. *69,608 1,573,244 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.9
13. *68,749 1,601,242 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.8
14. *68,472 2,000,565 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.1
15. *68,065 1,614,094 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.7
16. *67,002 *,551,403 Kuroko no Basket Vol.23
17. *66,200 1,946,821 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.2
18. *65,860 *,*65,860 Shijou Saikyou no Deshi Kenichi Vol.52
19. *65,249 *,*65,980 Nobunaga Kyousoukyoku Vol.9
20. *65,061 1,696,058 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.6

21. *64,289 1,897,607 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.3
22. *64,223 *,138,924 Shingeki! Kyojin Chuugakkou Vol.2
23. *63,068 1,774,160 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.4
24. *62,748 *,*62,748 Shura no Mon: Dai Ni Mon Vol.10
25. *62,691 1,739,285 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.5
26. *56,656 *,493,138 Bleach Vol.60
27. *56,447 *,190,976 Initial D Vol.47
28. *52,888 *,*52,888 Area no Kishi Vol.37
29. *47,268 *,*95,768 Aku no Hana Vol.9
30. *45,295 *,*45,295 Kimi no Iru Machi Vol.24

Rank 31-50

Light Novels and Anime/Manga related books
*1, 122,628 220,059 Sword Art Online Vol.13 Alicization Dividing
*2, *53,556 103,537 Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Vol.11 Raihousha-hen Ge
*3, *27,808 194,201 Kuroko no Basket -Replace IV- 1/6 no Kiseki
*4, *26,101 *26,101 Gin no Saji Official Guide Book
*5, *25,818 *55,003 Hataraku Maou-sama! Vol.9
*6, *12,965 365,669 Juuni Kokuki Hisho no Tori - Shinchou Bunko Edition
*7, **8,536 *13,011 Shin Fortune Quest II Vol.2 Souryo ga Ippai! Ge
*8, **8,339 *15,817 Maou na Ano Ko to Murabito A Vol.6 ~Kanojo no Futsuu to Ano Musume no Tokubetsu~
*9, **7,821 *14,483 Golden Time Retsuden AFRICA
10, **7,644 *50,985 Seiken Tsukai no World Break Vol.4
11, **6,385 *12,236 Nareru! SE Vol.10 Tatakau? Sha'in-ryokou
12, **6,139 293,183 Kagerou Days Vol.3 -the children reason-
13, **5,401 179,970 Shingeki no Kyojin INSIDE KOU

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*8, **8,339 *15,817 Maou na Ano Ko to Murabito A Vol.6 ~Kanojo no Futsuu to Ano Musume no Tokubetsu~
Recently start reading manga. I think this will be funny if it made to an anime.

10, **7,644 *50,985 Seiken Tsukai no World Break Vol.4
This nearly fool me twice reading it as Blade Dance.
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Shingeki's past volumes got a boost again for some reason.

I'm glad to see Shokugeki no Soma and OnePunchMan selling decently well. Nanatsu no Taizai seems to be quite popular which is nice too. Over in the LNs it's great to see Maou selling pretty well.
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Snowical said:

Light Novels and Anime/Manga related books
*1, 122,628 220,059 Sword Art Online Vol.13 Alicization Dividing
*2, *53,556 103,537 Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Vol.11 Raihousha-hen Ge
*5, *25,818 *55,003 Hataraku Maou-sama! Vol.9


Good Job Dengeki
 
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^selling 200,000+ each is more than just "decently", friend.

All in all a satisfying week for both departments yet again. On the one hand we have OP, SnK, OP Man, Seven Deadly Sins and SnS while on the other hand LN titles like SAO and Maou-sama are selling extremely well too. Even smaller titles like Aku no Hana and KimiMachi are doing nicely. Good week, to summarize it.
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^selling 200,000+ each is more than just "decently", friend.


at least they are better compare to other titles.
 
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Superfaraway said:
GuiltyKing said:
^selling 200,000+ each is more than just "decently", friend.


at least they are better compare to other titles.

It's not only 'at least they're better compared to other titles' if it means they're selling really well, friend. That's just an understatement.
 
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It becomes more obvious with every week that letting SnK go was one of the biggest mistakes the editorial staff behind WSJ made in recent years.

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Manga
*4. 170,999 *,170,999 Fairy Tail Vol.39
*6. *93,963 *,*93,963 Nanatsu no Taizai Vol.4


I hope the order of these two titles will be switched soon, NnT will surely take off once it finally gets an anime.


Snowical said:

*1, 122,628 220,059 Sword Art Online Vol.13 Alicization Dividing
*2, *53,556 103,537 Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Vol.11 Raihousha-hen Ge


And this is why LN have a bad reputation in the West, although it is hardly anything new.
Modified by Nidhoeggr, Aug 22, 2013 3:55 AM
Steel Ball Run anime when?
 
 
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SnK everywhere
 
Aug 22, 2013 3:57 AM

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Except for Silver Spoon Official Guide Book, every entry in the LN and anime related books were release before the past week.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
Aug 22, 2013 4:05 AM

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GuiltyKing said:
^selling 200,000+ each is more than just "decently", friend.


Sure if you just look at the numbers there is no doubt that they're high sellers for sure but you have to consider other factors (especially for Souma). They're both considerably mainstream so it'd be expected for them to sell well up to a certain extent - OPM is by Murata a very popular author and the content of the manga is very easily marketable in my opinion and Souma is a successgul WSJ manga. That's why I said decently because even though it was natural for them to sell well they're still going a bit over expectations, the sales are decent even considering the expectations.

Like I mentioned Souma even more so because if you round them up there are 8 Jump (including SQ) titles here and the one with less cumulative sales also has over 200k. Now when you add to it the factor that Souma is actually popular and manages to get good rankings on a regular basis, I don't believe that the word "decently" is that horribly misused here.

But I'll edit it anyway since I now realize it just seems like I'm down-playing their achievement.
 
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Nidhoeggr said:

And this is why LN have a bad reputation in the West, although it is hardly anything new.


Why ?

i don't understand.
 
Aug 22, 2013 4:11 AM
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Ohh Shingeki.
 
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Nidhoeggr said:

And this is why LN have a bad reputation in the West, although it is hardly anything new.
As if the west has really great taste LOL
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
 
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Nidhoeggr said:

Snowical said:

*1, 122,628 220,059 Sword Art Online Vol.13 Alicization Dividing
*2, *53,556 103,537 Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Vol.11 Raihousha-hen Ge


And this is why LN have a bad reputation in the West, although it is hardly anything new.
What are you talking about?
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wow glad to see Mix 3rd
 
Aug 22, 2013 4:41 AM

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andddd SnK on top again :D
 
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10, **7,644 *50,985 Seiken Tsukai no World Break Vol.4
This nearly fool me twice reading it as Blade Dance.

Same here. This is really peaking my interest... It stayed for 2 weeks already(?) while Blade Dance only stayed for 1 week...

Snowical said:

Light Novels and Anime/Manga related books
*1, 122,628 220,059 Sword Art Online Vol.13 Alicization Dividing
*2, *53,556 103,537 Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Vol.11 Raihousha-hen Ge
*5, *25,818 *55,003 Hataraku Maou-sama! Vol.9

Glad to see Mahouka next to SAO. Makes me wonder if it'll pass SAO once it gets a decent adaptation. Good going HaMaou!
 
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Glad to see Mahouka reach 100k. Also hope Shingeki keeps selling like crazy. Kurokocchi no basuke in the list is a great thing. Can't wait for second season. Aku no hana, love the manga. Happy to see it.

*6. *93,963 *,*93,963 Nanatsu no Taizai Vol.4
Makes me real happy to see this. I was a bit scared it wouldn't sell. GOO NANATSU!! BEAT FAIRY TAIL!!
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symbv said:
Nidhoeggr said:

And this is why LN have a bad reputation in the West, although it is hardly anything new.
As if the west has really great taste LOL


Sturgeon's Law. Too bad the good 10% are hardly ever in the Western focus in case of LN. Also, your ironic approach does not render you immune to criticism. In fact, it makes you look like child. Sorry to be so direct, but I don't think this is how a mod should behave.

Antanaru said:
What are you talking about?


About the status of LN as pulp fiction. Or rather: It's perceived status in the West.
Modified by Nidhoeggr, Aug 22, 2013 5:18 AM
Steel Ball Run anime when?
 
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Nidhoeggr said:
symbv said:
Nidhoeggr said:

And this is why LN have a bad reputation in the West, although it is hardly anything new.
As if the west has really great taste LOL
Sturgeon's Law. Too bad the good 10% are hardly ever in the Western focus in case of LN. Also, your ironic approach does not render you immune to criticism. In fact, it makes you look like child. Sorry to be so direct, but I don't think this is how a mod should behave.
Well, it is because your approach is so childish that you got a "child-like response". Basically the level you post will only get response that is on a comparable level LOL

As for how a mod should behave, I only consider myself a mod (and a news mod to be precise) when I start a news thread to report news. When I post in other situations, I consider myself just a regular member of the forum. Anyway, I don't have any authority or any special power like the forum mods so even if I want to act like a mods, all I can do is to engage people in the forum to get them to post responsibly and sensibly (which is not the case you are sounding with your post anyway) instead of resorting to any mods power (which I don't possess anyway).

Modified by symbv, Aug 22, 2013 5:25 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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SnK's a big hit again.

Nice to see Silver spoon.
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Nidhoeggr said:
symbv said:
Nidhoeggr said:

And this is why LN have a bad reputation in the West, although it is hardly anything new.
As if the west has really great taste LOL


Sturgeon's Law. Too bad the good 10% are hardly ever in the Western focus in case of LN. Also, your ironic approach does not render you immune to criticism. In fact, it makes you look like child. Sorry to be so direct, but I don't think this is how a mod should behave.

Antanaru said:
What are you talking about?


About the status of LN as pulp fiction. Or rather: It's perceived status in the West.


ah i understand. western don't like Sci Fi
 
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33. *37,947 *,*37,947 Yamada-kun to 7-nin no Majo Vol.8
38. *33,584 *,*33,584 Baby Steps Vol.27

Getting the usual opening sales. Kinda wish they are better received but getting consistent sales at that level shouldn't be that bad.
 
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31. *42,258 *,307,909 Toriko Vol.26

nice v26 passed the 300k+ zone ^^
 
 
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symbv said:
Nidhoeggr said:
symbv said:
Nidhoeggr said:

And this is why LN have a bad reputation in the West, although it is hardly anything new.
As if the west has really great taste LOL
Sturgeon's Law. Too bad the good 10% are hardly ever in the Western focus in case of LN. Also, your ironic approach does not render you immune to criticism. In fact, it makes you look like child. Sorry to be so direct, but I don't think this is how a mod should behave.
Well, it is because your approach is so childish that you got a "child-like response". Basically the level you post will only get response that is on a comparable level LOL

As for how a mod should behave, I only consider myself a mod (and a news mod to be precise) when I start a news thread to report news. When I post in other situations, I consider myself just a regular member of the forum. Anyway, I don't have any authority or any special power like the forum mods so even if I want to act like a mods, all I can do is to engage people in the forum to get them to post responsibly and sensibly (which is not the case you are sounding with your post anyway) instead of resorting to any mods power (which I don't possess anyway).



Come on, symbv:
I obviously know that there are a lot of good LN out there (Kino, Mushishi, Monogatari if you will, Jinrui, Baccano, etc.), but you can't deny that the bulk of the medium (maybe even more like in a lot of other media, demographics, genres, etc.) is aimed at the lowest common denominator to increase potential sales. I don't know that much about the LN business so I don't know how much of these recent trends are pushed by external or internal factors, but it is clear that most of the novels ahve very similar themes, archetypes and are not really diverse.
And that's ok, after all the same applies to Western crime novels, romantic novels and blockbuster movies Hollywood shits out every summer. It's also totally ok to like them and nobody denies that there can be really great entries in each of the aforementioned categories (Inception, The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, etc.). But the fact remains that the majority of said categories are regarded as pulp fiction by most people. Nobody I know irl would say that a generic crime novel or Hollywood summer blockbuster movie you pick up on DVD in a store has any merit that goes further than simple entertainment. And due to the strong misperception that are created in the case of anime/manga/LN due to differences exposure, critical reviews, etc. it is really hard to notice the more diverse LN - at least in Western societies.
Obviously this is one of the biggest ongoing discussions in the Western community, but it surely doesn't help when people who - like with all niches - are not only involved as fans and buying costumers, but as individuals with verbal charisma, behave in this way when people start doubting the worth of the common (!) novel in a certain genre.
I remember asking you about the critical reception of Ore no Imouto and you said that there was a lot of advertisement going on in regards to trains, people noticing it outside of the genre and several other aspects. However, does simple exposition and sales contribute to a better critical reception in the feuilleton? And your responses as well as the behaviour of a lot of ther fans that primary read LN suggest that there is a huge discrepancy.

About the mod thing: Ok, got it. I just thought that at least news moderators would have had a few more powers/responsibilities because you got normal mod powers only for specific subforums.
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Steel Ball Run anime when?
 
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If you had posted the post above at the beginning you would never have got an ironic response from me in the first place. I fully respect an opinion that LN in Japan is like pulp fiction in the west and most are potboiler meant for quick consumption and easy entertainment. In fact I am not going to refute it at all as much as I enjoy my time reading SAO and other LNs. But quoting two titles and then jumping right to the statement that "it is why LN has such bad reputation in the west" skips a lot of details and steps in arguments and only gives an impression that people in the west have such a fine and discerning taste that bestselling LN titles in Japan are no more than trash to their oh-so-critical minds. And this is certainly not helping to make a discussion about LN and its merits/demerits more intelligent or less stereotyped.

As for advertisement of OreImo, my point of raising that earlier was to show that LN is not as obscure or disrespected in Japan as some people in the west are trying to make it sound. I never said how this may carry any implication about critical reception, although I indeed have read glowing critical reviews on a couple of LNs like Haruhi and Bakemonogatari.

About news mods: No, I cannot even edit or delete your post, much less banning you etc. The only special power a news mods has is to start a new thread in this News Board and edit the first post in the thread (as well as processing news story submissions).
Modified by symbv, Aug 22, 2013 5:49 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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Sturgeon's Law. Too bad the good 10% are hardly ever in the Western focus in case of LN. Also, your ironic approach does not render you immune to criticism. In fact, it makes you look like child. Sorry to be so direct, but I don't think this is how a mod should behave.


You didn't explain anything and immediately shifted to ad hominem. Sturgeon's Law applies to everything, thus using it in your argument that is uniquely directed to LNs is rather strange. If you truly think like that, you would have the exact same opinion towards the manga sales.

You complain that those 2 best sellers demonstrate why LNs are unpopular here. You use Sturgeon's Law and imply that 90% of everything is sh*t. Therefore there will be sh*t in the manga best sellers, what makes it popular here in the west? Sturgeon's Law alone could not possibly be the justification for what you initially stated, you just felt like backing up your argument with a popular theory.
 
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I wasn't entirely serious either, I meant it as a comment about how most of the time the top spots in the LN ranking are taken up by novels that are imho not even a good representation of the strong points in the genre within the medium itself. I read the first two SAO volumes and started Mahouka as well, and the writing style seems very flat and uninspired to me. Of course, I can only read translation and don't know japanese so this is just an assumption, but i am willing to believe that the translators in charge try to preserve as much of the original writing style as possible. I also know that most LN are not written in Kanji and that authors get paid by page-count, which leads me to the assumption that a lot of the writers adopt certain specifics (needless infodumps, for example) to increase their wage.

Of course, a lot of pulp tops the sales charts in the West as well. But, and maybe this is indeed the main difference exposure creates, it is easy to spot that there are always a few series on the list that go indeed further.


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Nidhoeggr said:

Sturgeon's Law. Too bad the good 10% are hardly ever in the Western focus in case of LN. Also, your ironic approach does not render you immune to criticism. In fact, it makes you look like child. Sorry to be so direct, but I don't think this is how a mod should behave.


You didn't explain anything and immediately shifted to ad hominem. Sturgeon's Law applies to everything, thus using it in your argument that is uniquely directed to LNs is rather strange. If you truly think like that, you would have the exact same opinion towards the manga sales.

You complain that those 2 best sellers demonstrate why LNs are unpopular here. You use Sturgeon's Law and imply that 90% of everything is sh*t. Therefore there will be sh*t in the manga best sellers, what makes it popular here in the west? Sturgeon's Law alone could not possibly be the justification for what you initially stated, you just felt like backing up your argument with a popular theory.


I just explained in previous posts that this was a slap at the differences in perception between LN and manga/anime/Western media.
Steel Ball Run anime when?
 
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wow with the sales of Shingeki this week

I wonder if it will become the number one in sales this year at this rate orz

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Nidhoeggr said:
Of course, I can only read translation and don't know japanese so this is just an assumption, but i am willing to believe that the translators in charge try to preserve as much of the original writing style as possible.
I am not that sure about that. The feeling I got is that the available translations are mostly done by fans who are not professional translators and a lot of the translations are done quickly to get it out to the waiting fans as soon as possible, so I would say that the quality of the writing usually suffers in those translation - the only question is how much deterioration it got. Not saying the writing in LN is great but I think you should be aware that fan translation of novel, which involves a lot more text particularly those with context and subtlety compared to subtitles in anime will necessarily result in quality drop.

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I also know that most LN are not written in Kanji and that authors get paid by page-count, which leads me to the assumption that a lot of the writers adopt certain specifics (needless infodumps, for example) to increase their wage.
Not written in Kanji?!?!? This could not be further from the truth. In fact some LNs use kanji terms that are so difficult that readers need to resort to kanji dictionaries to find out the pronunciations (this is particularly true in case of fantasy LN that are meant for people with chuunibyou taste). I think you really need to take a look at the printed pages of LNs in original Japanese and it would then be clear to you straight away that all LNs have a lot of kanji in them.

Also, authors are usually get paid by fixed amount (per volume) or word counts but not page counts, and this is not just in LNs but in other novels too, so it is not something unique and thus it cannot explain any specifics like needless infodumps you seem to think are the main problems in LNs.
Modified by symbv, Aug 22, 2013 6:29 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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Regarding the current trend of LN, i am frankly getting relatively annoyed by many titles because it just feels like these titles are just copying styles. The lack of originality, I feel, is just repulsive to me. Yes, I am getting annoyed by how mediocrity oriented this industry is at this point. However, the thing I find about these titles for one is that, they attract attention. I don't know how good their receptions on the west, but I do find a lot of these stories to be very trashy in terms of plot. That is another reason why I comtemplated about just giving up on many anime adapted from LN. In the end, however, the publishers are just going to make authors do stories that they know will definitely sell, and unfortunately, harems, incest and other tired romcom cliches just so happened to be the main trend nowadays...

...Sometimes, I really hope to see a LN, just for once, a LN that is written because the author wants to that is different from the norm, but this is just a pipe dream for me now.
 
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symbv said:
Nidhoeggr said:
Of course, I can only read translation and don't know japanese so this is just an assumption, but i am willing to believe that the translators in charge try to preserve as much of the original writing style as possible.
I am not that sure about that. The feeling I got is that the available translations are mostly done by fans who are not professional translators and a lot of the translations are done quickly to get it out to the waiting fans, so I would say that the quality of the writing usually deteriorates in those translation - the only question is how much decline it got. Not saying the writing in LN is great but I think you should be aware that fan translation of novel, which involves a lot more text particularly those with context and subtlety compared to subtitles in anime will necessarily result in quality drop.

Nidhoeggr said:
I also know that most LN are not written in Kanji and that authors get paid by page-count, which leads me to the assumption that a lot of the writers adopt certain specifics (needless infodumps, for example) to increase their wage.
Not written in Kanji?!?!? This could not be further from the truth. In fact some LNs use kanji terms that are so difficult that readers need to resort to kanji dictionaries to find out the pronunciations (this is particularly true in case of fantasy LN that are meant for people with chuunibyou taste). I think you really need to take a look at the printed pages of LNs in original Japanese and it would then be clear to you straight away that all LNs have a lot of kanji in them.


A friend of mine studies Japanese as well and he told me that a lot of LN rely heavily on the use of Furigana and that the (lack of) Kanji use is mostly because they are written for a younger audience who don't know lots of Kanji yet. This is also what is written in the LN Wikipedia entry in my country and in a few magazines articles I bought. I am confused now...
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About the status of LN as pulp fiction. Or rather: It's perceived status in the West.
I was asking why say it while pointing at sales of SAO and Mahouka. While SAO got a bit stale with recent arcs it's still above average compared to other popular novels. Also Mahouka is actually much better than your average LN you often see on the top sales lists with it's more mature and serious approach. If you want to talk about series giving a bad reputation to LN better look at SnS/ZnT/Index and other carbon copies of the exact same story and character types.
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Shingeki's past volumes got a boost again for some reason.

I'm glad to see Shokugeki no Soma and OnePunchMan selling decently well. Nanatsu no Taizai seems to be quite popular which is nice too. Over in the LNs it's great to see Maou selling pretty well.


Another reason I miss being home, though now that im an animator, its a hassle to walk through Akihabara to buy something if I forget im wearing my nametag and someone notices the giant "Concept Artist" Icon on the shirt.

That and New Zealand isn't so bad, its got pretty scenery <3.
 
 
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Regarding the current trend of LN, i am frankly getting relatively annoyed by many titles because it just feels like these titles are just copying styles. The lack of originality, I feel, is just repulsive to me. Yes, I am getting annoyed by how mediocrity oriented this industry is at this point.
Nobody is forcing you to watch these anime adapted from LNs. If anything, the boom of LNs only contribute to more anime being made. As for being trashy, well, can't the same be said for pulp fiction printed in the west? They are written because they are popular and people are not tired of minor tweaking of formula or old wine in new bottles - so similar works are being written. And yet for fans they are interested in the genre enough that they can tell the difference between different works even if you dismiss them as all similar, which is why even for similar works of, say, harem or incest certain works can sell much better than others.

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However, the thing I find about these long titles for one is that, they attract attention.
Indeed this is a major reason why long titles are used. In fact editors sometimes come up with even longer titles that the authors thought of so that it can grab attention.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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Antanaru said:
Nidhoeggr said:

About the status of LN as pulp fiction. Or rather: It's perceived status in the West.
I was asking why say it while pointing at sales of SAO and Mahouka. While SAO got a bit stale with recent arcs it's still above average compared to other popular novels. Also Mahouka is actually much better than your average LN you often see on the top sales lists with it's more mature and serious approach. If you want to talk about series giving a bad reputation to LN better look at SnS/ZnT/Index and other carbon copies of the exact same story and character types.


Because they just happened to be at the top right now, that's all.
Obviously Zero, Shana, Index and all the other very similar novels are what I was aiming at as well, but I recently read those titles and find both of them to be underwhelming. I certainly can't explain the high amount of praise the SAO LN gets because it is written like.. well, fanfiction about another average fantasy world that just happens to be virtual. Maybe it is because Western authors tackled this particular setting in an imho much better way (Tad Williams' Otherland is one of many examples) that I find it so disappointing. Same goes for Mahouka, where I find the character of both Miyuki and Tatsuya to be overly focused on pleasing a niche audience, disregarding realistic developments for them in the process.
And pardon me, but if "above average" for a certain medium or genre is at this level it speaks volumes about the average writing. Shouldn't that be a reason to be concerned with the overall quality?

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Also, the LN audience in the West is - sadly - always measured by some of their fans as well. So think about your posts a bit, Superfaraway. Your childish acts certainly don't contribute anything.
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Antanaru said:
Nidhoeggr said:

About the status of LN as pulp fiction. Or rather: It's perceived status in the West.
I was asking why say it while pointing at sales of SAO and Mahouka. While SAO got a bit stale with recent arcs it's still above average compared to other popular novels. Also Mahouka is actually much better than your average LN you often see on the top sales lists with it's more mature and serious approach. If you want to talk about series giving a bad reputation to LN better look at SnS/ZnT/Index and other carbon copies of the exact same story and character types.


because SAO and Mahouka is Science Fiction.
and that's the reason he use Sturgeon's Law
 
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A friend of mine studies Japanese as well and he told me that a lot of LN rely heavily on the use of Furigana and that the (lack of) Kanji is mostly because they are written for a younger audience who don't know lots of Kanji yet. This is also what is written in the LN Wikipedia entry in my country and in a few magazines articles I bought. I am confused now...
Even within LN, with so many titles published, there is a range of stuff. Some works may use more furigana to make easier reading (which is particularly true in character's conversations), but what I want to stress is that all LNs still contain a significant number of kanji, and works like Bake, Haruhi, Index definitely do not have fewer kanji than other printed works aimed at similar demography. And as I said, some works (of which I should add female-oriented LNs) even have more challenging kanji than usual.

BTW I really don't see Zero, Shana and Index to be that similar (besides all have a large number of cast) but then I guess it is just different personal taste.
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So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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Light Novels and Anime/Manga related books
*1, 122,628 220,059 Sword Art Online Vol.13 Alicization Dividing
*2, *53,556 103,537 Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Vol.11 Raihousha-hen Ge
*5, *25,818 *55,003 Hataraku Maou-sama! Vol.9


This pleases me greatly.
 
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It becomes more obvious with every week that letting SnK go was one of the biggest mistakes the editorial staff behind WSJ made in recent years.

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Manga
*4. 170,999 *,170,999 Fairy Tail Vol.39
*6. *93,963 *,*93,963 Nanatsu no Taizai Vol.4


I hope the order of these two titles will be switched soon, NnT will surely take off once it finally gets an anime.


Snowical said:

*1, 122,628 220,059 Sword Art Online Vol.13 Alicization Dividing
*2, *53,556 103,537 Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Vol.11 Raihousha-hen Ge


And this is why LN have a bad reputation in the West, although it is hardly anything new.


Chances are that if Jump got it, things would have been changed to be more kid friendly. The guy has an editor now, right? It would be a different guy if he went to Jump.
 
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Because they just happened to be at the top right now, that's all.
Obviously Zero, Shana, Index and all the other very similar novels are what I was aiming at as well, but I recently read those titles and find both of them to be underwhelming. I certainly can't explain the high amount of praise the SAO LN gets because it is written like.. well, fanfiction about another average fantasy world that just happens to be virtual. Maybe it is because Western authors tackled this particular setting in an imho much better way (Tad Williams' Otherland is one of many examples) that I find it so disappointing. Same goes for Mahouka, where I find the character of both Miyuki and Tatsuya to be overly focused on pleasing a niche audience, disregarding realistic developments for them in the process.
And pardon me, but if "above average" for a certain medium or genre is at this level it speaks volumes about the average writing. Shouldn't that be a reason to be concerned with the overall quality?

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Also, the LN audience in the West is - sadly - always measured by some of their fans as well. So think about your posts a bit, Superfaraway. Your childish acts certainly don't contribute anything.
I think you're expecting a bit too much from this medium. They are light novels after all. Series like Kino no Tabi are exceptions, simple action/sci-fi/fantasy etc. are the norm. As for how they are written, unless you can read Japanese you can't tell that for sure. There's always something lost in translation. This is the same for all kinds of novels. If you want to enjoy the story itself you can read translations, but if you want to enjoy the novel as a whole you have to read only your native authors or foreign if you mastered the language.

And yes, average light novel, the same as average manga, is pretty bad. But from time to time you can stumble upon something good. Isn't that the same for the whole pop culture?
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I think you're expecting a bit too much from this medium. They are light novels after all. Series like Kino no Tabi are exceptions, simple action/sci-fi/fantasy etc. are the norm. As for how they are written, unless you can read Japanese you can't tell that for sure. There's always something lost in translation. This is the same for all kinds of novels. If you want to enjoy the story itself you can read translations, but if you want to enjoy the novel as a whole you have to read only your native authors or foreign if you mastered the language.


To be fair, most professional translations are of a different quality. And I already read mostly English and German authors as well as translation of Russian, Polisha nd Czech authors if I know they are good enough.

Antanaru said:
And yes, average light novel, the same as average manga, is pretty bad. But from time to time you can stumble upon something good. Isn't that the same for the whole pop culture?


...which brings me back to my ironic remark about Sturgeon's Law. You are certainly right about that.

As I said, exposure is the key here.
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Well, the bottom line is that unless this cash cow medium is going to stop selling, there is no way for publishers to stop producing such series because this will just keep selling, especially with the LN anime adaptations becoming more often since the days of Seikai no Senki and Slayers. And if there is anything positive I can take, it is that such things are fads and will wear out over time.
 
 
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Well, the bottom line is that unless this cash cow medium is going to stop selling, there is no way for publishers to stop producing such series because this will just keep selling, especially with the LN anime adaptations becoming more often since the days of Seikai no Senki and Slayers. And if there is anything positive I can take, it is that such things are fads and will wear out over time.
But the thing is, even if it is a fad (a fad can still last quite a while though but let's just call it a fad for argument's sake), chances is it will not be replaced by some high-brow thought-provoking deep works but just another kind of light stuff for easy consumption and entertainment. Even back in the days when Slayers was first published, I did not see anime on average being less shallow than what we have now. If there is such perception it is more because of either nostalgia where passage of time filters out the less memorable stuff or your taste happens to match those on offer in the old days instead of what are being made nowadays.
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So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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True, I remember people bitching about fantasy or mecha being so dominant in earlier days.
But maybe it is just easier to accept a trend such as the 90s high fantasy wave if it coincides with your cultural heritage, or rather: upbringing. Fantasy just fares better with Western viewers/readers than... incest, I guess.
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Also, the LN audience in the West is - sadly - always measured by some of their fans as well. So think about your posts a bit, Superfaraway. Your childish acts certainly don't contribute anything.


sorry but i want to know if you like Science Fiction or not.
i don't know if i offend you. but i need to know what genre you like.

I have to make sure one thing, I highly respect other people personal taste.
and i never ever say sh*t about other taste.
 
 
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wow glad to see Mix 3rd


Yeah , and damn the latest volume of one piece is selling really strong
 
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To be fair, most professional translations are of a different quality. And I already read mostly English and German authors as well as translation of Russian, Polisha nd Czech authors if I know they are good enough.
Usually yes, but there's a fair share of really bad professional translations. I don't speak only about LN/manga now. And even with a good translator end result still will be far from the original. It's just impossible to translate some things especially between different cultures.
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Antanaru said:
Nidhoeggr said:
To be fair, most professional translations are of a different quality. And I already read mostly English and German authors as well as translation of Russian, Polisha nd Czech authors if I know they are good enough.
Usually yes, but there's a fair share of really bad professional translations. I don't speak only about LN/manga now. And even with a good translator end result still will be far from the original. It's just impossible to translate some things especially between different cultures.


I think that goes without saying. Novels from authors like Kafka will lose a lot in the process.
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