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Aug 17, 2009 9:53 PM
#201
rTz said: There is a difference between fearing dying and fearing death. I fear some ways of dying (drowning, for instance), however death itself is nothing to be feared; dying concerns the still-living, death does not. Death is something to be feared because it is the finality of your existence. Dying on the other hand is an aspect which can go both ways. Yes its scary in the sense you may die but it is the death you actually fear when you are dying. When one says 'I don't want to die', they are indicating that they are afraid of death, not dying. Dying is something that comes in suddenly like when someone has a car crash or a serious disease. When one enters the period of dying, they fear death. You cannot fear dying per se because it comes in suddenly. |
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Aug 17, 2009 10:04 PM
#202
Killy_Zouichi said: -snip- Not necessarily. Someone can enter the process of prolonged dying from illness, cancer, etc, or even just anticipation of old age. Those in war may face prolonged dying as well, or even torture. I fear the process of dying, not death itself. Death does not concern the living; dying does. Certainly there are people who fear non-existence, I just hold that such a fear is silly and counter-productive to living life. In the process of dying itself one may (and most likely does) experience anxiety towards the thought of infinite non-existence, but that is different than fear. |
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Aug 17, 2009 10:06 PM
#203
I have an irrational fear of death. I am afraid of two things in this world and that is one of them, truly. It's not just one thing about death it is ALL things that scare the absolute $#%^ out of me. When I was very little and the concept of death was explained to me I was petrified for months, constant hysterics. That still happened occassionally for many years when I really thought about it. I go crazy. Personally to this day I do not understand why lots of people dont have this reaction every once in a while. I mean come on. Its death. The be all and end all of everything. How can that not scare the hell out of you. |
Aug 17, 2009 10:20 PM
#204
rTz said: Not necessarily. Someone can enter the process of prolonged dying from illness, cancer, etc, or even just anticipation of old age. Those in war may face prolonged dying as well, or even torture. I fear the process of dying, not death itself. Death does not concern the living; dying does. Certainly there are people who fear non-existence, I just hold that such a fear is silly and counter-productive to living life. In the process of dying itself one may (and most likely does) experience anxiety towards the thought of infinite non-existence, but that is different than fear. Illlness like cancer. How do they arise? When you are diagnosed with it and the bleak news is revealed to you. Thats how i mean 'out of the blue'. The same thing applies to all of them. Now why do we take medicines? To cure that illness so that it does not worsen and become something more grave. Why do we want to prevent that? To avoid unnatural death. So thats how the living should be aware of death and fear it. And I agree that thinking about dying (your view, i respect that) or death (mine) is counter-productive. The fear is not constant but it is there. As i mentioned, the fear comes into view when there is an actual possibility that you may die for some reason. Fear of death. Take a moderen example of suicide bombers. Have you seen the movie Syrianna and the part of the would-be suicide bomber? The person in the movie feared death when he was being told the plans of the bombing of the ship. Another everyday example. A person has a terrible car accident. The doctors tell him that he has lost too much blood and he won't survive the next day. Now he is in the process of dying and he is now above that. He cannot avoid dying and so therefore no need to fear it. He now fears death which will be the end. I respect your view about you fear dying but it seems we are at odds. I'm not challenging your personal feeling about fear of dying but the 'fear of dying' in more of a general sense. Nevertheless, I should accept your views as they are because I cannot challenge your personal beliefs. |
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Aug 17, 2009 10:25 PM
#205
Killy_Zouichi said: Why do we want to prevent that? To avoid unnatural death. So thats how the living should be aware of death and fear it. Not wanting something and fearing something are two entirely different matters. Now he is in the process of dying and he is now above that. He cannot avoid dying and so therefore no need to fear it. I never said that other people didn't. I said that I, in my current situation, see no reason to. |
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Aug 17, 2009 10:34 PM
#206
rTz said: Not wanting something and fearing something are two entirely different matters. I never said that other people didn't. I said that I, in my current situation, see no reason to. 1st quote- Indeed they are different but the line can be blurred. For instance, the sentence 'I don't want to die' (not wanting). Why do they say that? Because of fear of death. 2nd quote- I know. Thats why I wrote the last paragraph in my post:P |
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Aug 17, 2009 10:50 PM
#207
Killy_Zouichi said: Why do they say that? Because they prefer existing. I would rather have mustard than ketchup, but that doesn't imply that I fear ketchup. I would further posit that death doesn't actually exist, as from a subjective perspective no one can observe or conceptualize their own non-existence, since such an act necessitates existence itself. |
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Aug 17, 2009 10:59 PM
#208
YaYERZ said: mrbushido said: You're going to die anyway who cares if it happens today or tomorrow? I don't understand why any of you are arguing about this. No matter how intelligent you are you can never solve the mystery that is death. This is one of those thing where ignorance is bliss anywaylol if ur not afraid of death then yall are liars when SHIT HAPPENS, ohhhh yea bet ur ass ull be afraid of death well im not saying everyone is afraid of death 24/7, cause ye ignorance is bliss, the fear is just tucked in the back of ur head until something goes on but to say this stupid emo spirit nonsense about ur going to die anyways etc etc is bullshit saved for people who are fake and lie to themselves to act cool, or the few privileged enough to have an ignorant mind so big that they dont have many worries all u spiritual emo peole just like to talk but like i said when crazy shit hits u, ima bet that ur types are the ones that are most afraid |
Aug 17, 2009 11:03 PM
#209
Try this one for size: Before Conversion, I was having nightmares pertaining to my own death. Often, these involved some scary waking moments, such that the fear had me shaken for a few hours into day. Sometimes, my mood for the day was shot outright into some form of deep sadness or depression. After turning to Christ, these nightmares have been gone. Death is not to be feared anymore. When it happens, it happens. And that's that. |
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Aug 17, 2009 11:05 PM
#210
rTz said: Because they prefer existing. I would rather have mustard than ketchup, but that doesn't imply that I fear ketchup. I would further posit that death doesn't actually exist, as from a subjective perspective no one can observe or conceptualize their own non-existence, since such an act necessitates existence itself. As I said the interpretation can be different, changing from topic to topic. They prefer existing, you say. Over what? The answer is death. Why do they prefer it? Given the human psychology, its the fear. It is indeed a subjective perspective, thats the reason why a person fears death. And the fact that they cannot do anything about it, makes that fear more clearer. The inevitability of death is there and thats why people fear it. Everything they enjoyed, they lived for will become nothing in the event of death so thats why people fear death as a whole. Why do they say that you should do everything because life is short? The main purpose of this statement is enjoy while you still can, indicating the finality of death and therefore uncertain about their future or when death will come, they do so. |
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Aug 17, 2009 11:07 PM
#211
KyuuA4 said: Try this one for size: Before Conversion, I was having nightmares pertaining to my own death. Often, these involved some scary waking moments, such that the fear had me shaken for a few hours into day. Sometimes, my mood for the day was shot outright into some form of deep sadness or depression. After turning to Christ, these nightmares have been gone. Death is not to be feared anymore. When it happens, it happens. And that's that. 9/10 |
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Aug 17, 2009 11:32 PM
#212
KyuuA4 said: -snip-. Actually, I was much more afraid of death when I was a Christian. I believe this to be primarily for two reasons: 1. Fear that I was not a proper Christian, and was bound to Hell 2. Fear that I was wrong and there was no afterlife 2a. One reason for which is that I had not come to peace with the concept of my own non-existence, and thus feared death. As this is no longer true, I do not fear death in such a way. 3. Fear that the afterlife may be completely different than what I imagined Since losing my religion, the first two sources of fear have vanished. The last one--that I may be wrong--is more of a source of amusement by pondering than a fear. In my opinion, belief in the afterlife and/or salvation is merely a way for humans to try and indefinitely postpone coming to terms with death, or as a way to convince oneself that they will never truly experience death. After de-converting, I would say that nearly everyone must come to grips with both the absurdity of life and their own inevitable death, before moving on. After doing this, I presume that people are generally much more peaceful in regards to the thought of passing. I see death are more of a comforting reality than something to fear; life would have no meaning if it were not for death, and the torture of eternal boredom is much worse than anything else fathomable by even the most deranged medieval Christian painter. Death, to me, is merely the welcomed and peaceful end to a turbulent and absurd world; the only completely, perfectly pure state in all of the universe, which we all eventually become a part of--a state of the most complete, transcendent, neutral numbness, and a most welcomed end-state after a life full of ambivalence and absurdity. The Garden of Proserpine by Algernon Charles Swinburne stands as my personal view of death: Here, where the world is quiet ; Here, where all trouble seems Dead winds’ and spent waves’ riot In doubtful dreams of dreams ; I watch the green field growing For reaping folk and sowing, For harvest-time and mowing, A sleepy world of streams. I am tired of tears and laughter, And men that laugh and weep ; Of what may come hereafter For men that sow to reap : I am weary of days and hours, Blown buds of barren flowers, Desires and dreams and powers And everything but sleep. Here life has death for neighbour, And far from eye or ear Wan waves and wet winds labour, Weak ships and spirits steer ; They drive adrift, and whither They wot not who make thither ; But no such winds blow hither, And no such things grow here. No growth of moor or coppice, No heather-flower or vine, But bloomless buds of poppies, Green grapes of Proserpine, Pale beds of blowing rushes Where no leaf blooms or blushes Save this whereout she crushes For dead men deadly wine. Pale, without name or number, In fruitless fields of corn, They bow themselves and slumber All night till light is born ; And like a soul belated, In hell and heaven unmated, By cloud and mist abated Comes out of darkness morn. Though one were strong as seven, He too with death shall dwell, Nor wake with wings in heaven, Nor weep for pains in hell ; Though one were fair as roses, His beauty clouds and closes ; And well though love reposes, In the end it is not well. Pale, beyond porch and portal, Crowned with calm leaves, she stands Who gathers all things mortal With cold immortal hands ; Her languid lips are sweeter Than love’s who fears to greet her To men that mix and meet her From many times and lands. She waits for each and other, She waits for all men born ; Forgets the earth her mother, The life of fruits and corn ; And spring and seed and swallow Take wing for her and follow Where summer song rings hollow And flowers are put to scorn. There go the loves that wither, The old loves with wearier wings ; And all dead years draw thither, And all disastrous things ; Dead dreams of days forsaken, Blind buds that snows have shaken, Wild leaves that winds have taken, Red strays of ruined springs. We are not sure of sorrow, And joy was never sure ; To-day will die to-morrow ; Time stoops to no man’s lure ; And love, grown faint and fretful, With lips but half regretful Sighs, and with eyes forgetful Weeps that no loves endure. From too much love of living, From hope and fear set free, We thank with brief thanksgiving Whatever gods may be That no life lives for ever ; That dead men rise up never ; That even the weariest river Winds somewhere safe to sea. Then star nor sun shall waken, Nor any change of light : Nor sound of waters shaken, Nor any sound or sight : Nor wintry leaves nor vernal, Nor days nor things diurnal ; Only the sleep eternal In an eternal night. Don't Fear the Reaper by Blue Oyster Cult also sums it up nicely. |
rTzAug 17, 2009 11:36 PM
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Aug 17, 2009 11:42 PM
#213
mrbushido said: Believe what you want. You're scared of death and I'm not and because of that I enjoy life a lot more than someone whos afraid 24/7 does.YaYERZ said: mrbushido said: You're going to die anyway who cares if it happens today or tomorrow? I don't understand why any of you are arguing about this. No matter how intelligent you are you can never solve the mystery that is death. This is one of those thing where ignorance is bliss anywaylol if ur not afraid of death then yall are liars when SHIT HAPPENS, ohhhh yea bet ur ass ull be afraid of death well im not saying everyone is afraid of death 24/7, cause ye ignorance is bliss, the fear is just tucked in the back of ur head until something goes on but to say this stupid emo spirit nonsense about ur going to die anyways etc etc is bullshit saved for people who are fake and lie to themselves to act cool, or the few privileged enough to have an ignorant mind so big that they dont have many worries all u spiritual emo peole just like to talk but like i said when crazy shit hits u, ima bet that ur types are the ones that are most afraid |
Aug 17, 2009 11:47 PM
#214
mrbushido said: well im not saying everyone is afraid of death 24/7, cause ye ignorance is bliss, the fear is just tucked in the back of ur head until something goes on Except alot of times, it's not death they fear, it's the cause of death and or what happens after death. If everyone thought that after death you would go to some paradise we're you'll bassically live eternally as a spirt and forever be happy, I'm rather certain alot of people wouldn't be afraid to die. Uncertainty is normally what people fear. but to say this stupid emo spirit nonsense about ur going to die anyways etc etc is bullshit saved for people who are fake and lie to themselves to act cool, or the few privileged enough to have an ignorant mind so big that they dont have many worries How is it emo? The sooner you accept the person is dead, the quicker you can move on with your life. Or, the sooner you except you'll one day die, the quicker you can realize that you should make the most out of life, and that fearing the inevideble will only make your time in this life more stressful. That sounds to me like the complete opposite of being emo.all u spiritual emo peole just like to talk but like i said when crazy shit hits u, ima bet that ur types are the ones that are most afraid Crazy shit as in? You imply that an event would happen that would cause them to die. Most likely, you're scared, yes, but it's due to what ever event that is happen, not the fact that you're going to die. |
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Aug 17, 2009 11:51 PM
#215
Aug 18, 2009 8:20 AM
#216
corbenic said: Yeah, people die when their life ends. Out of curiosity, what would be the unnatural end of life as opposed to death? Rebirth ,if you believe in it.Maybe it happens maybe it doesn't nobody knows. |
Aug 18, 2009 8:39 AM
#217
Insaner said: corbenic said: Yeah, people die when their life ends. Out of curiosity, what would be the unnatural end of life as opposed to death? Rebirth ,if you believe in it.Maybe it happens maybe it doesn't nobody knows. That wouldn't be the end of life though. |
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Aug 18, 2009 8:41 AM
#218
Sayalol said: That wouldn't be the end of life though. Death is the only possible end of life.But Rebirth is opposing death.(I don't believe in Rebirth though.) |
Aug 18, 2009 10:34 AM
#219
I suppose it's mainly fear of the unknown, but I think when you think about dying, you suddenly think of the many, many, many things that you want to do, that you could do before the time comes. I've also noticed that people who live life to the fullest are usually less scared of death than others. |
Aug 18, 2009 10:43 AM
#220
I fear that i will stop existing after death, if this is the case than it is only logical to fear death. If i stop existing then that means i stop enjoying life, i stop seeing my loved ones faces, i stop doing the things i love to do. I like to experience life and i don't see anything wrong with fearing that this will come to an end one day. |
Aug 18, 2009 11:07 AM
#221
I dont wanna die, but I think I'm not very afraid of death. I believe that it's like sleeping but for enternity. You dont think, dont know about anythink, nothing's influencing you. There's nothing to fear. The only thing connected with dying, that really scares me is the moment of ending my life, because I cant know how I will die, if it will hurt or not. And pain is something, I'm the most afraid of. The thought that I can die suffering really makes me shiver. |
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Aug 18, 2009 11:22 AM
#222
rTz said: KyuuA4 said: -snip-. Actually, I was much more afraid of death when I was a Christian. I believe this to be primarily for two reasons: 1. Fear that I was not a proper Christian, and was bound to Hell 2. Fear that I was wrong and there was no afterlife That's not Christian teaching then. This "Proper Christian" idea. There's a problem with that. It points people to themselves to maintain alignment to Christianity. If such a person commits sin, "oh no", a person is no longer a "proper Christian". The truth here is: each day we commit sin, whether we know it or not. I have to wonder if the "proper Christian" even exists. Just look at St. Paul. His words were written in the Bible, especially in the book of Romans. He's regarded as one of the greatest apostles. Yet, it is known that he killed Christians before Jesus converted him. Under Christianity, we acknowledge two things: 1. We're Sinners. This is not something easy to admit. No one likes to be told that they're wrong. No one likes to be told that they're inadequate. But, it's a truth: we're inadequate sinful human beings, whether we actively commit sin or not. Given God's Law, we're unable to follow it and commit sin. From this, we're condemned to death. 2. Christ's Life, Death, and Resurrection. This takes care of #1. Even though we're sinners, Christ has paid for ours sins. By Justification, Christ took God's punishment for us. In this, we are freed from Sin and Death. Therefore, death is not something to be feared. === Does this mean we can sin? Absolutely not. Yet, the best we can hope for is to try not to. No matter how hard we try, we can't be this "proper Christian". rTz said: 2a. One reason for which is that I had not come to peace with the concept of my own non-existence, and thus feared death. As this is no longer true, I do not fear death in such a way. I've heard of that approach. I even tried it. But alas, too much information on death exists. From 9/11 alone, I managed to become overwhelmed. From there, I went ahead through Wiki to learn about all the other airline disasters. Yet, it's funny that I fly more post-9/11 than pre. rTz said: 3. Fear that the afterlife may be completely different than what I imagined This is what God's promises are for. Faith in God points to the promises that he makes and in keeping them. I once cursed God, even to the point of hate. I used to hate everything Christian. I thought that he "screwed me over". But alas, upon my own examination, I screwed myself over. How bad was I? Regrettably, I did a "heil Hitler" salute in a church, just before a friend's wedding. On that note, I better apologize. (This was 6 years ago) |
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Aug 18, 2009 1:54 PM
#223
KyuuA4 said: Well, at least Hitler didn't massacre as many as this Jeudo-christian god character did.Regrettably, I did a "heil Hitler" salute in a church, just before a friend's wedding. |
Aug 18, 2009 2:17 PM
#224
I'm afraid of death, is something wrong with me? I'm considering going to a shrink about it. |
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Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM
#225
KyuuA4 said: That's not Christian teaching then. Oh? I have to wonder if the "proper Christian" even exists. I was referring to the doubt surrounding whether I was in the correct sect of Christianity (e.g. Catholicism versus Protestantism), whether or not I had accidentally blasphemed the holy spirit (an unforgivable sin), and whether or not I actually truly believed the claims or was just deceiving myself. 1. We're Sinners. I disagree first on the basis that sin does not exist (which takes a load off of the mind and makes one more at peace), and secondly that claims of "original sin" undermine all of morality itself. "The sins of the father are the sins of the son" is a frankly barbaric and draconian approach to ethics. But, it's a truth: we're inadequate sinful human beings, whether we actively commit sin or not. Given God's Law, we're unable to follow it and commit sin. From this, we're condemned to death. OH NOES SCARE TACTICS I MUST REPENT This takes care of #1. Even though we're sinners, Christ has paid for ours sins. By Justification, Christ took God's punishment for us. In this, we are freed from Sin and Death. God sent himself to his own creation to sacrifice himself to himself to prevent himself from sending his creation to a place he created based on his own moral code, thus preventing a possible fate that he was ultimately responsible for to begin with? How generous. Frankly it's difficult to call such a being 'merciful', when if I were in the situation my decisions would be even more merciful--that is, I would send no one to hell and everyone to heaven, thus making me more merciful than that particular interpretation of god. You are aware that different sects of Christianity have different ideas regarding heaven, hell, and salvation, right? And the Christian hell doesn't even exist in Judaism, so it seems silly to me that a creation of an immortal and omnipotent being only became known after several thousand years, and then only to a new sect. -snip- Personal anecdotes have no bearing with me. This is what God's promises are for. Faith in God points to the promises that he makes and in keeping them. Did you completely miss the point of what I said? I once cursed God, even to the point of hate. I used to hate everything Christian. I thought that he "screwed me over". But alas, upon my own examination, I screwed myself over. Again, personal anecdotes != good debate tactic. |
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Aug 23, 2009 8:10 PM
#226
I've decided I'm not comfortable with death, 'tis the ultimate moment of truth if there ever was truth, and I say was not were :\ hope is good too. so, what to do? worrying 'till your nose hairs fall is not the solution, make the best in this life, for all you know there is another one. and frankly, the most horrible thing Is complete annihilation, mind/spirit/etc lost never to return is pretty bad you'll have to admit, but nothing to do about it except live well. |
Aug 23, 2009 9:04 PM
#227
Aug 23, 2009 9:51 PM
#228
Mawootad said: I don't want to die simply because I've got too much stuff to do. Otherwise, I like to think that I don't really mind (it does scare me on some levels, but I try to ignore it). lol, at first I read that as I don't want to die simply. I've got to much stuff to do and I was like...Dying a simple death impacts your buisiness? Then I re-read and was like "oh..." |
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Aug 24, 2009 12:06 AM
#229
I guess I'm not really afraid to die. I wouldn't mind, but I kind of don't want my life to end yet. So many things left for me to do and experience. If I found out that I was going to die, I would probably want to continue living normally until the end. If I were to die, I wouldn't care because I'd be dead. Since I'm not religious or anything, I honestly have no idea what happens after death. Finding out is something to look forward to once I'm close to the end. Right now I just look forward to living to the fullest. Life is short no matter what, and we all die in the end. |
Aug 24, 2009 12:32 AM
#230
Not afraid to die. Best would be if I lived till I'm about 70 and then die, I don't need to get 100 or something like that... |
Aug 24, 2009 1:17 AM
#231
I don't think I'm afraid of dying, I just think I'm afraid of what is unknown to me on the other side (or if there even is one). I guess I just don't like not knowing. |
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Aug 24, 2009 1:22 AM
#232
Aug 24, 2009 3:51 AM
#233
Baman said: KyuuA4 said: Well, at least Hitler didn't massacre as many as this Jeudo-christian god character did.Regrettably, I did a "heil Hitler" salute in a church, just before a friend's wedding. Oh no. That's not God's fault. It's the fault of stupid people. rTz said: KyuuA4 said: 1. We're Sinners. I disagree first on the basis that sin does not exist (which takes a load off of the mind and makes one more at peace), and secondly that claims of "original sin" undermine all of morality itself. "The sins of the father are the sins of the son" is a frankly barbaric and draconian approach to ethics. Well, the opposite of sin is perfection. We are not perfection. Therefore, we're sinners. As for original sin, it's a tough pill to swallow. Y'see, as humans, we're flawed. We try to be perfect, but like hell, can we even approach near perfection. It's a common saying, "there's no such thing as a perfect person". What is perfection? It's God. It's what we strive to be. I mean, can you imagine having omnipotent powers - and - having the wisdom to use that kind of power wisely? No human can pull that off. As they say, "power corrupts"; give a human that kind of power, abuse (among many sins) is a very easy temptation to fall for. As for comments like Baman's... Baman said: Well, at least Hitler didn't massacre as many as this Jeudo-christian god character did. I used to say that m'self before. But we have to realize all these "massacres" are human induced. rTz said: This is what God's promises are for. Faith in God points to the promises that he makes and in keeping them. Did you completely miss the point of what I said? Because of sin, our views of the afterlife -- whatever version our imaginations come up with -- are irrelevant. To think, we have people out there believing that suicide bombing is a path to 72 virgins. Oy vey... Before conversion, I imagined the concept of oblivion. Once we die, there's nothing. That's it. That's bleak stuff, often leading to questions, "what's the point of living, then?" and other similar questions. It's so bleak - reincarnation sounded better. |
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Aug 24, 2009 3:58 AM
#234
DaeScope (65.9% Not specified) said: If there is an other side i.e Heaven wouldn't there be like ultra-mega zillion people there since a lot of people have died previous to us. Hmmm...compact heaven...interesting... |
Aug 24, 2009 4:03 AM
#235
ChevenStaSa said: DaeScope (65.9% Not specified) said: If there is an other side i.e Heaven wouldn't there be like ultra-mega zillion people there since a lot of people have died previous to us. Hmmm...compact heaven...interesting... http://zombo.com/ |
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Aug 24, 2009 5:37 AM
#236
KyuuA4 said: Then you clearly haven't read the Old testament yet.I used to say that m'self before. But we have to realize all these "massacres" are human induced. Your dear god had lots of people killed for defying his word, no matter how retarded, even wiping out entire cities and let's not forget the supposed drowning of the world. Now, being a modern christian you probably don't really believe in an obvious fantasy copypasta like the great flood, but it still goes to show the true character of your so called god, that is, until he suddenly turned from a fickle and vengeful bitch into a loving and compassionate father of all. |
BamanAug 24, 2009 5:40 AM
Aug 24, 2009 5:41 AM
#237
chrysalis33 said: I suppose it's mainly fear of the unknown, but I think when you think about dying, you suddenly think of the many, many, many things that you want to do, that you could do before the time comes. I've also noticed that people who live life to the fullest are usually less scared of death than others. There is a fairly dark side to this, you have to remember. Although lacking a fear of the unknown, in effect the fear of death, can motivate a person to do what they want to while they can, it is also often (from my experience, I bring no information from any solid sources into this argument. It is purely what I have seen and lived through) associated with a person who disregards completely the life that either science or god has given them. Being from that side of the tracks for a good portion of my life upwards of about seventh or eighth grade, I can recall often being rash in my decision making with dangerous situations, drugs, drinking, and many other things, like driving. I would blaze through red lights because if I did get hit, I didn't care, since my ass would be far too dead to get bitched at by whoever I killed. Same story with the drugs and such, if I was wrong dosing something, I wouldn't have to tolerate all the "told ya so" assholes when I was rotting in the dirt. Suicide is also an idea that always evaded my understanding, as most of the hype about it seems to come from who the people killing themselves leaving behind. I think, if you truly love a person or whatever the case is tying them to you emotionally, you should be mature enough to realize that if they decided to go belly up by their own hand, they clearly were not happy here on this planet. So, as someone that close to them, is it not your duty to let them make their own choice and do what they believe will work out best for them? I couldn't be less concerned about what happens or where I go when I die, because I'll find out the 100%, unaltered truth when I get myself there. That's why worrying about it is foolish, a waste of time and a waste of energy. We all get to find out, no matter who we are or what we do. Everyone dies, so everyone gets to learn the inner workings of what lies beyond. Now, if only we could get the no child left behind act to educate people properly on this scale... |
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Aug 24, 2009 5:43 AM
#238
KyuuA4 said: http://zombo.com/ I seriosly regret I've clicked on that. |
Sep 18, 2009 8:24 AM
#239
you have to go through that thought process atleast once, I mean seriously considering death, it's humbling. |
Sep 18, 2009 8:59 AM
#241
a little.... when struck with the fear of death... i began to think who,what should i've done.... practically common for people :D |
Sep 18, 2009 10:47 AM
#242
I have fear of death much as I have fear of the pain. Guess that's why many ppl (or at least the old ppl I know) prefer to die while sleeping. And I'm not old! xD |
Sep 18, 2009 11:18 AM
#243
I'm not afraid of death, but I'm afraid that I'll leave behind people who are about me and cry, my girlfriend. |
Sep 18, 2009 1:24 PM
#244
I'm more afraid of being impaled, paralyzed, Comatose (but aware of my surroundings), or severely disabled than death. I don't like the idea of a situation where I wished I could die because of the pain or whatever and was unable to kill myself. Being impaled and unable to move and the only thing keeping you alive is the think going through your body holding your blood/organs in that is indeed a frightening thought. |
Sep 18, 2009 5:12 PM
#245
Sep 18, 2009 5:12 PM
#246
what i fear is there no being an end |
Sep 18, 2009 5:17 PM
#247
Sep 18, 2009 5:20 PM
#248
Why can't this thread die. Wait, it's cause someone decided to necro it. Anyway, death isn't anything to be afraid of, it happens and you can't control it, so who really cares? |
Sep 18, 2009 5:27 PM
#249
Sep 18, 2009 5:40 PM
#250
alcurad said: I can't control it anymore: *facepalms*you have to go through that thought process atleast once, I mean seriously considering death, it's humbling. In the meanwhile (I forgot if I posted in this topic or not, probably the former)... It's sensible to say that this fear of death is based on the unknown, but the unknown can also lead to a motivation to live your life to the fullest. It all depends on how you were raised, really (and I guess, somewhat on your luck of the draw on DNA replication). It's pretty much the same as optimism vs. pessimism. It's also sensible to say that, the former, who is afraid of death, can not empathize with the latter, who will live to the fullest because of the unknown, and vice-versa. In the end, though, we're just labeling ourselves. I'm pretty sure those who has fear for death can still live a pretty healthy life, unless they kicked the can already. And those who claim they do not fear it, also. Even the most motivated will still feel fear at one point or another, it's just a phase. Just that sometimes some people don't live through it, while the majority do. |
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