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Jan 28, 2009 8:34 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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NEW OP GOGOGO (low quality stream rip). Also, one of the commercials mentioned something about a Toradora GAME? もしかして、エロゲ?!



Christmas episode! Really funny episode.

donut on head hahaha:



I will upload ED soon. edit: woops, missed that...ah well, just wait for the raw :P

Also, what?
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Jan 28, 2009 10:05 AM

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me like new OP =3
 
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Jan 28, 2009 10:10 AM

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me like new OP =3

Yeah, I just uploaded a higher quality version (with more bass):


and someone else uploaded the ED:


I actually like this new OP better than the previous one.
 
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one thing I notice
Kitamura is a LOT less prevalent in both new OP and ED.

as for ending, I like the song, but I'm not sure about the animation.
 
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sniW said:
Tekky99 said:
me like new OP =3

Yeah, I just uploaded a higher quality version (with more bass):


and someone else uploaded the ED:


I actually like this new OP better than the previous one.


Okay well I don't like the ED at all. It's far from upbeat and fun, this is goes double for the ending vid.

As for the OP. I really dislike the OP song. I loved Pre-Parade and this one just does nothing for me. As for the vid..hmmm....It has it's good points and bad points. It would be fine if there were more images of Ryuuji/Taiga. Instead I felt that Minorin and Ami dominated the video (ditto for the ED) and Kitamura was almost invisible.

I find both videos seem to change the feel of the show for me a bit. When I think of the first OP and ED I knew I would expect some fun and lighthearted stuff broken in by teen melodrama. But now, both songs just kind of make me think ANGST and nothing else. The feel is off.
 
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sniW said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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NEW OP GOGOGO (low quality stream rip). Also, one of the commercials mentioned something about a Toradora GAME? もしかして、エロゲ?!

http://www.youtube.com/v/i2o3loLGeYw&rel=1&rel=1">http://www.youtube.com/v/i2o3loLGeYw&rel=1&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355">

Christmas episode! Really funny episode.

donut on head hahaha:



I will upload ED soon. edit: woops, missed that...ah well, just wait for the raw :P

Also, what?


yes! is very nice ('.')3!!!
 
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Jan 28, 2009 12:58 PM

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Okay well I don't like the ED at all. It's far from upbeat and fun, this is goes double for the ending vid.

As for the OP. I really dislike the OP song. I loved Pre-Parade and this one just does nothing for me. As for the vid..hmmm....It has it's good points and bad points. It would be fine if there were more images of Ryuuji/Taiga. Instead I felt that Minorin and Ami dominated the video (ditto for the ED) and Kitamura was almost invisible.

I find both videos seem to change the feel of the show for me a bit. When I think of the first OP and ED I knew I would expect some fun and lighthearted stuff broken in by teen melodrama. But now, both songs just kind of make me think ANGST and nothing else. The feel is off.

Hmm, well maybe they're trying to portray a change in the direction of the story? I do agree with you that the OP video itself seems less lighthearted than the previous OP video. I mean, after the ending of episode 16, it looks like things could start to get more serious in this series though, no?...although episode 17 was pretty much all jokes and happy stuff.

But yeah, the ED I didn't like very much either.
 
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vaberella said:

I find both videos seem to change the feel of the show for me a bit. When I think of the first OP and ED I knew I would expect some fun and lighthearted stuff broken in by teen melodrama. But now, both songs just kind of make me think ANGST and nothing else. The feel is off.

So I'm guessing the story's going to be more serious from now on?
 
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Jan 28, 2009 1:21 PM
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I kind of liked new opening. Not so much in ed. I kind of thought that it kind of like Vanilla Salt.

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Jan 28, 2009 2:47 PM

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Mm the OP seqence was alright, I thought the ED was not half bad though, but in the end I do prefer the first ones.

Pretty interesting. Despite the implications of him liking Taiga. I fully support MinorinxRyuji

IMHO, Toradora is getting better each episode :3.
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Aisaka is so cute <3
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The new Opening was actually really refreshing, but Pre-Parade was kinda of a noisy opening. I just thought the donut on her head, imitating an angel, was just really cute. It is another refresher that Minori is appearing more, since she wasn't very active in earlier episodes. Kitamura's entrance was quite hilarious. More of the supporting characters are playing in now with Hisamitsu and Haruta so now it looks very promising. I really enjoyed it. First time watching RAWs, and it's actually easier since some subbers suck....
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Jan 28, 2009 3:50 PM
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Awesome episode awesome opening awesome ending
YAY! Less Kitamura in OP and no Kitamura in ED. He's so annoying, I never liked him.
 
Jan 28, 2009 7:41 PM

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I guess i'm one of the few who liked the new opening, i don't LOVE it just like it. Actually I didn't like Pre-Parade for a while but it grew on me. Maybe the new one will do that for some too. But ouch Kitamura got shafted from the opening and ending. Not my favorite character but still that's gotta hurt. The new ending though is no Vanilla Salt. I wish they could have kept that one instead.

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Jan 28, 2009 8:24 PM

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New OP look somewhat like an ED.

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Aisaka is so cute <3


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Jan 28, 2009 8:52 PM

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Drengot said:
vaberella said:

I find both videos seem to change the feel of the show for me a bit. When I think of the first OP and ED I knew I would expect some fun and lighthearted stuff broken in by teen melodrama. But now, both songs just kind of make me think ANGST and nothing else. The feel is off.

So I'm guessing the story's going to be more serious from now on?


Hmm...that was the feeling I was given. I also didn't get why they would change the OP/ED so late in the game. I mean there are about 25 eps, you'd change it half way through but they wait til there's about 8 eps left. And as I said the OP/ED song and vids were just so depressing they made me feel future eps wouldn't be fun or happy. That doesn't mean I'm right. I'm sure it will follow the vein of the manga/novel and as such depressing may not be the case, but the OP/ED are so depressing they just don't inspire me to look forward to the ep to tell you the truth.

I mean I'm someone who is affected by opening theme songs and really feed off of them. There's a scifi show called Stargate Atlantis and I have heard the intro once in my life. I hate and abhor it with a passion that in order for me to watch the show the television would have to be on mute until the show officially started or I would leave the room for the 30 seconds it would run. While X-Files theme song had me glued. So I just get emotionally affected by Op's so when I hate this one...you can rest assured listening to it here will be the last time I'll ever hear the op/ed again.
 
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New OP look somewhat like an ED.

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Aisaka is so cute <3


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Jan 28, 2009 8:57 PM

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AkariChan said:
id said:
New OP look somewhat like an ED.

AkariChan said:
Aisaka is so cute <3


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I can make a larger one if uw ant :3

Did you make that, Akari? If so, would it be too much to request a larger version? It would make a great desktop wallpaper :D
 
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sniW said:
AkariChan said:
id said:
New OP look somewhat like an ED.

AkariChan said:
Aisaka is so cute <3


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I can make a larger one if uw ant :3

Did you make that, Akari? If so, would it be too much to request a larger version? It would make a great desktop wallpaper :D


sure:
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AkariChan said:
sniW said:
AkariChan said:
id said:
New OP look somewhat like an ED.

AkariChan said:
Aisaka is so cute <3


*saves*


I can make a larger one if uw ant :3

Did you make that, Akari? If so, would it be too much to request a larger version? It would make a great desktop wallpaper :D


sure:

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Awesome! Thanks so much *downloads*
 
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AkariChan said:
sniW said:
AkariChan said:
id said:
New OP look somewhat like an ED.

AkariChan said:
Aisaka is so cute <3


*saves*


I can make a larger one if uw ant :3

Did you make that, Akari? If so, would it be too much to request a larger version? It would make a great desktop wallpaper :D


sure:
preview:

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Made that my Desktop BG, thx :D

 
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hahaha, the bird thought they were gonna cook him XD... first time I've ever seen a bird need convincing XD

 
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pikel-kun said:
AkariChan said:
sniW said:
AkariChan said:
id said:
New OP look somewhat like an ED.

AkariChan said:
Aisaka is so cute <3


*saves*


I can make a larger one if uw ant :3

Did you make that, Akari? If so, would it be too much to request a larger version? It would make a great desktop wallpaper :D


sure:
preview:

warning: huge picture (4.52MB png, 2560x1600)
http://akarichan.site90.com/ss/ToraDoraCollage.PNG


Made that my Desktop BG, thx :D


nice... pictures.. for desltop.. heh
real like.. it...!
episode 17 still raw huhuhu...
but the new opening of toradora real cool
and the ending theme
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Jan 29, 2009 5:02 AM

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So I don't speak Japanese but what I could pick up from the show besides the words Christmas or Like...



On a side note I totally miss Ami in this ep. Where did she go? I loved the Inko-chan, Ya-chan, Ryuuji moment.
 
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New OP and ED.. I was surprised they released the singles even before it aired. Mhm.. they aren't bad but not as epic as the first ones, so I'll miss OP1...

As for the episode, it showed again one character is weirder than the other (especially Minorin and Kitamura xD) and their current love situation is really complex. It was a good intermediate episode and I'm really looking forward to the next, as every week.

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New OP and ED.. I was surprised they released the singles even before it aired. Mhm.. they aren't bad but not as epic as the first ones, so I'll miss OP1...

As for the episode, it showed again one character is weirder than the other (especially Minorin and Kitamura xD) and their current love situation is really complex. It was a good intermediate episode and I'm really looking forward to the next, as every week.

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I never could imagine I'd want the subs so badly ^^

Is it just me or did anyone else notice Taiga has finally changed from tsun-tsun to dere-dere. Feels like she put all of her tsun in the battle with ex-school president..

I'm very sad Pre-Parade is gone from the show... and despite I didn't like Vanilla Salt much, the new ending sounds worse too.. I like the video part of the opening bringing a bit of seriousness though

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New opening is nice, it's not gettinf annoying and the pictures on it are much better. Taiga's clothes on it and it was little sad when in the start of chorus Minorin is running and she looks like she's going to cry at any minute ;;____;; ♥ And when Taiga is walking with that sword.

Ending is good aswell, Rie's voice has always been one of my favorites so this is really nice. But the first ending was little better. And the pictures weren't that nice :3 But it was cute when they all came to eat some pie.

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Couldn't help watching it raw. I don't like new OP and ED, the previous ones were just better. Hopefully they'll grow on me.

For one second, I thought Ryuuji's harem would get bigger. Thank god Kihara doesn't like him, but Kihara x Kitamura will never work out. It's now official that Minorin likes Ryuuji, but Ryuuji slowly getting aware of his feelings for Aisaka, it's hard for their relationship to work out either.

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Jan 30, 2009 12:35 AM

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Well looks like the new arc is underway now. They're finally giving Kihara some screentime. Ryuuji is also finally realizing some of his feelings for Taiga and Kitamura is back to his old self. Minori is still confused or at least recognizing and acknowledging it somewhat. I'm still rooting for a RyuujixTaiga/brother-sister relationship while they go pursue their own romantic interests in other people.

In b4 srs biz love relationship logic analysis discussion.

The new OP/ED are ok although I prefer Pre-Parade but I liked the new ED animation better than Vanilla Salt's.

Is it just me... or does Ryuuji look pretty QUALITY here:


 
Jan 30, 2009 12:55 AM

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It's criminal how cute Taiga was in this episode. Other than that though, I'm not sure if I like the development in this episode, specifically on Ryuuji. This direction makes it seems that Ryuuji will realize that he has feelings for Taiga. I prefer they keep their relationship as that of a family. Hopefully that's what he will feel in the end rather than a romanctic one.

 
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The new OP/ED are ok although I prefer Pre-Parade but I liked the new ED animation better than Vanilla Salt's.


Same here.
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some how, in the past few episodes i've really started to like the idea of RyuujiXMinori (iDemand fanart =P)
i need to see some more Taiga and Ryuuji moments to restart my Taiga shipping.
Anyone else notice how the show, at the end of an arc, hints at the next one?
- End of Ami arc => hints of pool arc
- End of pool arc => hints of summer villa arc
- End of school festival arc => hints of Kitamura arc
and most recently
- end of Kitamura arc => hinting of something amiss w/ Minori => Minori arc?

can't wait
 
Jan 30, 2009 1:53 AM
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Good episode. Like the new ED too.
 
Jan 30, 2009 2:01 AM
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Epic Episode was epic!!!
I cant understand why Riujin likes Minorin really. Shes really weird and acts in a total wrong way as well. I Like Amy for pointing that out. Anyways the way things go now i see Amy ending up alone and i dont want that...
So Kihara is the first one that understood huh? I guess she realized it faster than Rioujin as well..
Well lets see what going in the next eps :P
 
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It's criminal how cute Taiga was in this episode. Other than that though, I'm not sure if I like the development in this episode, specifically on Ryuuji. This direction makes it seems that Ryuuji will realize that he has feelings for Taiga. I prefer they keep their relationship as that of a family. Hopefully that's what he will feel in the end rather than a romanctic one.


True Dat. And I'm a Ami Fanboy, but Taiga was just really cute in this episode. Especially in that Desktop in the earlier post and the Angel Donut part. It does seem that they are going to up together. Man i wanted an AmiXRyuuji ending too.

Well I liked the new OP. Not much for the new ED though. I liked the old ED more. The new OP has no Kitamura in it meaning that there isn't going to be much of him anymore and seems like it focuses more on the three girls and Ryuuji. Seems like a harem to me.
 
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The new OP and ED are good, I like them, just not as much as the first ones. As for the episode, me no likes Minorin. This episode showed that she is better suited to not be paired up with anybody and end the series alone. And no Taiga beating up on Ryujii, even if she was being extra nice she still needed to poke his eyes or something. And did we see some elements of Ryujii liking Taiga, he feels something for her that he does not understand. I definitely am looking forward to seeing where this is going.
 
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"This is some super confusing Guns N' Roses" ? .. Was that a reference to the band, and how?

Lol @ coalguys putting themselves in the subs as "good looking men".

Good episode, the new opening and closings suit the tone that the series is undertaking from here on out or so it would seem. They are both amazing, as were the old ones.

Not too many surprises for mine in this episode, hopefully what happens under "the fir tree" will be interesting. Good to see a bit of development with Ryuuji x Taiga, with him realizing his feelings first.
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I prefer the old OP but the new ED is so cash.

And less kitamura, yay! He's a bit of a crappy character tbh.
Major lols at Ryuuji naked in an apron with a santa hat on, triiiiippyyyyyyy.
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I like new OP but old ED was better than new..
 
Jan 30, 2009 5:44 AM

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Yeah it looks all is good and many are happy so I am going to say good episode and damn do things change. Just came back since summer. I saw stuff like Kanokon but this. Different yeah.
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Yessss anyone else notice Ryuuji blushing at Taiga being so adorable and posing with the doughnut on her head?? He's never done that before. :D *inner RyuujixTaiga shipper glee*


Yeah noticed and yeah Ryuuji was traumatized since #16 and yes, this made changes in him as well as impacted his view of Taiga.

The question is why? The answer is Taiga never fought that way before in this anime. Come to think of it classes! Crap! Bye!
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Nice episode. The OP/ED are not as good as previous ones, but nice anyway. Hmm, Minorin is totally messed up. And perhaps Kihara is getting bigger role in this show... I'm really curious what happens next. And what's up with Guns N' Roses reference? ^_^
 
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Yessss anyone else notice Ryuuji blushing at Taiga being so adorable and posing with the doughnut on her head?? He's never done that before. :D *inner RyuujixTaiga shipper glee*
 
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Aisaka interestingly seemed more confident in this episode. I guess it's the Christmas spirit, lol. It looks like they are going to be some complications and confusion in who loves in the coming episodes. I didn't expect the change in the opening and ending. I'm going to miss the first ones, but I enjoyed these ones too =D

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I don't want Taiga to be with Ryuuji. I prefer MinorinxTakasu ;p
 
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And what's up with Guns N' Roses reference? ^_^


Anyone?

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I think the Guns N’ Roses is some Japanese refrence, not to the american band… idk




Maybe in Japan Guns N' Roses are really hard for them to understand when they play there?
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Definitely Enjoyed this Episode!!

I just now thought of it looking at the subbed version this morning(CoalGuys are awesome, and I love how they flaunt it!), Ami sort've reminds me of Puck in a Midsummer Night's Dream. It's kinda crazy, but so far she's been sitting a lot on the sidelines lately, but is really narrating things.

Taiga...definitely more more calm than usual, however I don't think it's just the Christmas spirit, especially not after a fight like that(if anybody has seen such an intense one in a romance/slice of life/high school drama/comedy, then msg me).

And...I kinda saw the new OP coming with the Previous president being out of the picture. Even though it's late, like everyone else says, it really sets the tone for what's going to happen next, as well as a very big change in what's going with the storyline(the students are becoming older, Seniors, etc).

And yes...the anime is really making it hard to decide how this will end...especially in 8 episodes!!
 
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Well, that was more or less what I expected. Decent episode, and I apparently am in the vast majority that enjoyed both the new OP and ED. We'll see.

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And what's up with Guns N' Roses reference? ^_^


Anyone?

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I think the Guns N’ Roses is some Japanese refrence, not to the american band… idk




Maybe in Japan Guns N' Roses are really hard for them to understand when they play there?


No,no. The reference is a hint of what kind of music Ryuuji likes or might have heard yet did not understand but I do agreed it could be a pun for "hard to understand".
 
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The new OP and ED were ok, I still prefer the old ones. Good lighthearted ep to follow the previous heavy one. Series needs more Ami, she's a nice foil character.

I hope Taiga beats the hell out of Kihara in the future just so there's another girl fight scene.
 
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