Naruto Chapter 642 Discussion

j0x said:


i remember that happening when Naruto fight against Nagato

kaitonic said:
Nice chapter...Minato now realise how strong Naruto has become to master the sage mode that Jaraiya couldn't even master at their time and Naruto sage mode is more complete than ero-sennin.So will the black Kyuubi good or bad

ranzero said:
so many plot development happened in one chapter,
-finally after being too OP and make others look like fodder, obito's weakness has been revealed to be the sage mode, yeah....
-like others have said, looks like madara knew all this time jubii weaknes, that's why he was so calm and composed when his plan to be resurrected failed and prevent hashirama to get near jubito
-and jubito won an argument with minato, LOL
-which made minato felt regretful and repent himself for not be able to stop that masked man
-at last that yin-kyubi made his appearance !!! but I'm slightly confused since yin and yang kyubi's chakra were once a unity, but yin-kyubi said his "other half".... so now they have splitted personality ?

where dafuq is hiruzen ? he has been mmissing since that shuriken-bunsin jutsu... is he dead ?

LOL to people who said naruto got another power up, he has mastered sage mode since a long time ago *facepalm* at least it's not random asspulls

babymilo91 said:
Who knew that Sage mode was going to be useful now. Can't wait for next chapter.

HominiLupus said:
all that remaisn is the raw naturl energy that i'm sure isnnt so harmfull alone.

Ramkec said:
"I have attained the powers of shinobi ancestors. Your menial common sense and logic no longer apply to me." - Obito

You all heard him. :/

Kvshi said:


Just mention Rin.

Santoryu_XBurner said:
Yea Sage Mode.

Mikan5 said:
Totally forgot that there's Kurama in Minato as well...

Lol this

Aloxamax said:
Naruto has the potential to attain the same power Obito has..

Dark_Lightning_6 said:
I really love the sage mode so it's really nice seeing it being useful again. I really wonder why it works on Obito while other jutsus don't. Anyways, the ending of this chapter is incredible, could Minato be the Jinchuuriki of the other half of the Kyuubi?

Goryo said:
Why didn't Obito get rid of the telportation seals on his body as soon as the 2nd used it on him with sasuke and naruto last chapter?

kinda stupid :

Gorim said:
WOW A SHADOW?!?!? WHAT COULD IT BE?! ... well yeah. Another convenient powerup. Luckily Naruto will befriend this dark Kurama too and we'll have epic showdown with powerlevels being way over ninethousand because convenient deus ex. Keep those power ups during battle coming, what kind of power up will Sasuke have I wonder, because he needs one and bad.

Nothing has made sense after Gaara was defeated by Deidara. I'm having more and more trouble by each chapter to complete this. I must persevere it's only less than 100 chapters more...

Couldn't they just asspull the power of friendship asspulljutsu already so we could get over with pointless 75 chapter long final battle of asspulls to end all asspulls. By this point we all know what is going to happen anyway. Even if someone dies he will be revived by an asspull jutsu. Because these convenient ressurection jutsus apparently don't change the person who was revived at all except they look bit gloomy, I guess they can fix that too with Pains Ressurection jutsu it didn't affect people anyway what so ever.

While they ressurect those who died in this battle maybe they should ressurect those who died before this too like Jiraya. It was the greatest moment after time skip when Jiraya died because it actually was dramatic and cool, but I think Kishimoto will go even to the point where they'll ruin it too. "Golden fish jutsu recovered Jirayas body from unknown point in unknown ocean because it most certainly wasn't destroyed by waterpressure over 6 months...". And how surprising only one in the world that can save us is.. NARUTO!

ManusDomini said:


Only if he can seal the ten-tails back into the statue, or seal the ten-tails itself within him. Otherwise, he can't.

Gorim said:


Yeah mastering bijuu chakra usage is a piece of cake and you don't have to train for it.. wait actually that wasn't the case before if I remember correctly mastering unknown bijuu chakra takes a lot of effort and training. Doing it during a fight is a legit asspull. Not the worst asspull. Maybe the best asspull in the past hundred chapters, but a legit asspull even if the posibility of such asspull was mentioned. Even if you wanted to believe it isn't an asspull it doesn't really matter since past 200 chapters have had more than enough asspulls to make even master Tite Kubo jealous.

Gorim said:


Yeah mastering bijuu chakra usage is a piece of cake and you don't have to train for it.. wait actually that wasn't the case before if I remember correctly mastering unknown bijuu chakra takes a lot of effort and training. Doing it during a fight is a legit asspull. Not the worst asspull. Maybe the best asspull in the past hundred chapters, but a legit asspull even if the posibility of such asspull was mentioned. Even if you wanted to believe it isn't an asspull it doesn't really matter since past 200 chapters have had more than enough asspulls to make even master Tite Kubo jealous.

ManusDomini said:


Arrogance, maybe? He probably thought it didn't matter, since they couldn't hurt him.

HominiLupus said:
What really bugs me is: How could Minato master Kurama's chackra inside the Shinigami if he should be in a sort of unconscious state. He has no knowledge of whats happening outside. I mean why the hell would he do with it if he would never be freed (what makes just no sense as there is no real reason to unseal a soul traped inside the Shinigami considering that the Edo Tensei didn't existed in that time).
And even more, why the other half wasn't freed from Minato's body when the Shiki Fujin was unsealed? I mean the Hokages and Orochimaru's arms were traped insde the Third too and they were released, so why Kurama that was traped in Minato didnt got freed?
I really think Kishimoto is runing out of ideas and is trying to finish this war quickly but isn't doing the right way.

Aloxamax said:


You didn't read the rest of my post. He has within him the chakra of all of the Bijuus except for the Hachibi's. Obito said himself that he doesn't need all of a Bijuus chakra to reform the Juubi, as he did it without having all of the Kyuubi's or Hachibi's chakra.

Killer Bee has been a Jinchuuriki far longer than Naruto and should be able to Naruto a piece of the Hachibi's chakra.

That should be enough to recreate the Juubi within himself.

ManusDomini said:
I think you don't understand. The Juubi was sealed within the statue. The other tailed beasts were created from the Juubi's chakra, but are NOT together the full Juubi. Naruto would be able to, if he had the statue, provide the chakra to revive the Juubi, but not the chakra to create a new one.

Kurama (Chapter 594, page 9-10) said:
''It's a collection of all the chakra from the one-tails to me, the nine-tails...''

''To put it simply, it's like all 9 beasts combined.''

Aloxamax said:


Minato did not master the Kyuubi's chakra. The fact that his cloak is golden instead of red means that the chakra inside of him was separated from its hatred. It's possible that it was separated during the sealing. If the chakra was indeed separated from its hatred, then there's no need to master it to be able to use it. Naruto was able to freely use it after stealing it from the Kyuubi without any training. He had to train to be able to use his chakra claws/arms and for the bijuudama. Minato's not using it for any of that, he only uses the speed boost.

The purpose of the Uzumaki mask is to retrieve things sealed inside the Shinigami, it has nothing to do with the Edo Tensei. For example, Orochimaru used it to be able to use his arms again, not to revive anyone.

As for why the other Kyuubi is not free...well it's obvious. The seal was broken, but that doesn't mean that the Kyuubi can be free.

Take for example Obito, he used a jutsu to put the Juubi inside of himself and become its container, but there was no seal applied, it was a jutsu, meaning that he is holding the Juubi in with his will alone. Minato could be doing the same.

There's also the possibility that Kurama's other half simply doesn't want to leave. Like in Naruto's case. When he opened up the cage in his mindscape to turn into a Bijuu, that was the seal that was opened, Kurama could free himself if he wanted. Though I doubt Naruto would let him.

Aloxamax said:




Kurama clearly says that the 9 bijuu together are the Juubi. And we don't actually know if the statue is necessary for it's creation. We only that it was used to store the bijuus. It is the empty shell of the Juubi's body, the Juubi wasn't sealed within it.

HominiLupus said:


Problem is: the only thing one can seal inside the shinigami as far as i know are souls. And well, no there's nothing you can do with souls in the whole series except edo tensei them. But edo tensei was created long after the technique. So, i see no purpose in cutting a living person's gut to release someone's soul from inside a seal if you can do nothing with it.

Well i say you have a point in to why it wasn't released, but if its only chackra that's inside him how can it have consciousness to talk with Minato? Does It have some level of consciousness but not hatred?



There's other thing that I've been thinking: How can Obito be damaged by senjutsu if Kurama has stated that the Juubi is made basically of natural energy itself? Sage mode naruto stated that it's power was unmeasurable so how is a small piece of natural energy like a sage techinique be able to do anything to an enormous quantity of the same thng?

ManusDomini said:


Sage mode gathers natural energy. Ergo, whatever techniques are used in sage mode also manifest not in normal chakra (the chakra of people or tailed beasts), but in nature's own chakra. The Juubi, being nature incarnate, is thus vulnurable to his own constitution.

k11chi said:
Juubi is the origin of all chakra.