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Jul 19, 2013 7:41 PM
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Of all the anime in the world that isn't already considered to be perfect or nearly perfect, what anime do you believe has the potential to really become a classic to be remembered forever, but due to some ridiculous circumstance, it failed?

I can't stop thinking about Angel Beats! really. It had amazing animation, an amazing soundtrack, and a fantastic setting, a rich cast of likable characters, but you can easily tell, the anime desperately squandered under the dreaded 13 Episode cap. When the anime looked like it had time for more than thirteen episodes and focused on the character development, it was truly something that could've been a 10/10. The more constrained it got towards the end however, it just fucked up so hard with that inane Shadow plot arc, and the majority of the cast not having any legitimate backstories to be told. It was saved by that ending, but it stumbled so hard...I don't know who fucked it up, or came up with the idea to make it thirteen episodes, but I swear to god I heard it was going to be 24 episodes at one point.

What could've been the best Key animation ever made, is now remembered as their greatest failure.

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Jul 19, 2013 7:43 PM
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fate/stay night good thing they are making a remake
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Jul 19, 2013 7:45 PM
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Gotta agree with OP. If they fleshed out the main cast, it would have been a perfect anime.

Though Key's greatest failure? Kanon 2002 and Little Busters wants a talk with you.

Also Needless. Could have been TTGL likeness.
Jul 19, 2013 7:45 PM
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Sword Art Online. Excellent premise, flawless animation, amazing battle scenes, and the soundtrack was made by a modern Mozart.

The story and characters on the other hand....
Jul 19, 2013 7:46 PM
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MFKAE86 said:
Gotta agree with OP. If they fleshed out the main cast, it would have been a perfect anime.

Though Key's greatest failure? Kanon 2002 and Little Busters wants a talk with you.

Kanon was rebooted into an amazing anime. Will Angel Beats! get that kind of deal? Probably not...
Jul 19, 2013 7:47 PM
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Someone's dissing my Angel Beats? That shall not go unnoticed.
Angel Beats 10/10.
Jul 19, 2013 7:48 PM
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DramaEnthusiast said:
MFKAE86 said:
Gotta agree with OP. If they fleshed out the main cast, it would have been a perfect anime.

Though Key's greatest failure? Kanon 2002 and Little Busters wants a talk with you.

Kanon was rebooted into an amazing anime. Will Angel Beats! get that kind of deal? Probably not...

But Kanon 2002 was still crap.
Jul 19, 2013 7:48 PM
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Someone's dissing my Angel Beats? That shall not go unnoticed.
Angel Beats 10/10.
Lana be quiet you haven't watched a REAL masterpiece...
Since you refuse to watch S;G
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Hidden_Joker said:
LanaAqua said:
Someone's dissing my Angel Beats? That shall not go unnoticed.
Angel Beats 10/10.
Lana be quiet you haven't watched a REAL masterpiece...
Since you refuse to watch S;G
Watch SSY.
Then we'll talk.
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MoldyCereal said:
Sword Art Online. Excellent premise, flawless animation, amazing battle scenes, and the soundtrack was made by a modern Mozart.

The story and characters on the other hand....


This, I remember I thought it was going to be awesome. Ten episodes in I though otherwise and by the end I was dreading watching it. I only finished it so I could state my honest opinion without others freaking out.

btw I second LanaAqua, Angel Beats was great.
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MoldyCereal said:
Sword Art Online. Excellent premise, flawless animation, amazing battle scenes, and the soundtrack was made by a modern Mozart.

The story and characters on the other hand....

This

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Jul 19, 2013 7:55 PM

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Rosario+Vampire if it followed the manga.
The manga is great, a 9 for me, now mix that great story with pretty good animation and soundtrack. I would have given a 10.
Jul 19, 2013 7:58 PM

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Kuroinu: Kedakaki Seijo wa Hakudaku ni Somaru. Great first episode but what a disappointed that it ended with just two and the second was lukewarm.
TSF Monogatari if they adapted the manga it could have been great but it was rushed and the second episode cut all the good parts.
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Yumekui Merry, Deadman Wonderland, Angel Beats! and many, many more.
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MoldyCereal said:
Sword Art Online. Excellent premise, flawless animation, amazing battle scenes, and the soundtrack was made by a modern Mozart.

The story and characters on the other hand....


i felt that if they would of given the show a darker feel and maybe made the characters a little more traumatized by what is happening on the inside it would of been a hell of a lot better; because forget what anyone says if this happened to you it would be traumatized you would miss your home you will feel sad when people die. i felt the the show felt too much like no one was taking anything seriously. i mean in the second episode instead of taking the potion and living this guy decided to say a monologue and die.
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Jul 19, 2013 8:08 PM

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Angel Beats, Kotoura-san, maybe SAO and Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 if it were more stretched out.
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MFKAE86 said:

Though Key's greatest failure? Kanon 2002 and Little Busters wants a talk with you.


Key didn't fail with either of them though.
Jul 19, 2013 8:13 PM

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Air, the past archive kind of ruined it for me. If it had the original 26 episodes it was supposed to have they could have tied it in nicely.
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I still don't think SAO was a failure at all. Is overhated a such thing?


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Air, the past archive kind of ruined it for me. If it had the original 26 episodes it was supposed to have they could have tied it in nicely.
I think it was better to have less episodes. It would have dragged on far too long with 26 episodes.
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mitch3315 said:
MFKAE86 said:

Though Key's greatest failure? Kanon 2002 and Little Busters wants a talk with you.


Key didn't fail with either of them though.


Its worded terrible.
Jul 19, 2013 8:16 PM

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MFKAE86 said:
mitch3315 said:
MFKAE86 said:

Though Key's greatest failure? Kanon 2002 and Little Busters wants a talk with you.


Key didn't fail with either of them though.


Its worded terrible.


No matter how you word it, the studio's are the ones who messed up, not Key. Though I don't think you can judge Little Busters! without Refrain.
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IntervisioN said:
Angel Beats, Kotoura-san, maybe SAO and Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 if it were more stretched out.


Regarding Kotoura-san, please explain to me why you feel that way. I am not trying to be a troll or sarcastic, I generally want to know why you feel that way.
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Chaos;Head I think they could've done a much better job most of it just left so much to be desired and it seems like they kind of rushed the whole thing. Did I enjoy it yes, but it could've been better.
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Chaos;Head I think they could've done a much better job most of it just left so much to be desired and it seems like they kind of rushed the whole thing. Did I enjoy it yes, but it could've been better.

I think Chaos; Head had a lot of potential, not as a masterpiece but it could've been better.
The first half was pretty good but it went downhill from there.
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DramaEnthusiast said:
MFKAE86 said:
Gotta agree with OP. If they fleshed out the main cast, it would have been a perfect anime.

Though Key's greatest failure? Kanon 2002 and Little Busters wants a talk with you.

Kanon was rebooted into an amazing anime. Will Angel Beats! get that kind of deal? Probably not...


Key isn't an animation studio..........First one was done by Toei, and the reboot was done by KyoAni, LB! was done by JC Staff, you can only judge key from their VNs
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Monad said:
Kuroinu: Kedakaki Seijo wa Hakudaku ni Somaru. Great first episode but what a disappointed that it ended with just two and the second was lukewarm.


I ... fuck. So much this. I waited so long for a third episode, only to have my hopes dashed. Where else do I get my orcs???
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If Deadman Wonderland had followed the manga and was a 26, it could have been really good, but maybe not a masterpiece. Berserk was masterpiece level up until the ending, which was shit. I think Berserk would go from like a 9.5/10 to a full 10/10 if the ending were better. SAO built up a really interesting world, but kind of fell apart by episode 3, and was a disaster by episode 14.
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Sword Art Online. Excellent premise, flawless animation, amazing battle scenes, and the soundtrack was made by a modern Mozart.

The story and characters on the other hand....

Exactly..
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CNile said:
Berserk was masterpiece level up until the ending, which was shit. I think Berserk would go from like a 9.5/10 to a full 10/10 if the ending were better.


Berserk just followed its source material. What's wrong with that?
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Nihilfist said:
CNile said:
Berserk was masterpiece level up until the ending, which was shit. I think Berserk would go from like a 9.5/10 to a full 10/10 if the ending were better.


Berserk just followed its source material. What's wrong with that?


i have never seen it but i have been told the series ended on a giant cliff hanger because they wanted to make a second season but the second season never came
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mattbenz99 said:
Nihilfist said:
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Berserk was masterpiece level up until the ending, which was shit. I think Berserk would go from like a 9.5/10 to a full 10/10 if the ending were better.


Berserk just followed its source material. What's wrong with that?


i have never seen it but i have been told the series ended on a giant cliff hanger because they wanted to make a second season but the second season never came


Well I don't think they ever actually had a second season planned. They just made the first season as an intro/advertisement for the manga. Changing the ending would've contradicted the reason why they adapted the manga into an anime in the first place.
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Psycho-Pass

Crazy good first 17 episodes than it got slow paced and boring in the last arc.
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Nihilfist said:
mattbenz99 said:
Nihilfist said:
CNile said:
Berserk was masterpiece level up until the ending, which was shit. I think Berserk would go from like a 9.5/10 to a full 10/10 if the ending were better.


Berserk just followed its source material. What's wrong with that?


i have never seen it but i have been told the series ended on a giant cliff hanger because they wanted to make a second season but the second season never came


Well I don't think they ever actually had a second season planned. They just made the first season as an intro/advertisement for the manga. Changing the ending would've contradicted the reason why they adapted the manga into an anime in the first place.



still as a stand alone series the berserk anime from what i heard had a bad ending but as i have already said i cant go into detail because i have never seen it
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Shiki's ending. Sword Art Online definitely. Angel Beats bandwagon.
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I have to agree that Angel Beat's could have been pretty memorable if they had just kept the structure from beginning.

Meaning that each episode consist of character's background and him/her being able to move on.

Instead of that most of the show is spent on focusing one character that no one gives shit about and things that revolve around that character.
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Instead of that most of the show is spent on focusing one character that no one gives shit about and things that revolve around that character.
So.. you're upset because it had a main character?

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I would have given Mai HiME a 9 if the ending had been just satisfactory. A great ending would have put it at 10. Instead, we get one of the worst asspulls of an ending in modern anime and it forces me to drop it to a 7 despite everything it did right before then.

FMA: Brotherhood could have been a 10 as well, but I felt they dragged out the ending far too long and I lost interest enough that I was just glad for it to be over when it was.
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Red_Keys said:
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Instead of that most of the show is spent on focusing one character that no one gives shit about and things that revolve around that character.
So.. you're upset because it had a main character?

..


It still would have had main character if you remove Kanade (Angel)
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SAO is definitely the first thing that came to mind. Personally I feel it could have been a masterpiece if they scrapped ALO and focused on getting us immersed into Aincrad for a full 25 episodes. Remove the harem side stories, focus on boss fights and the the game world's politics (PKer conspiracies and perhaps different guilds warring for resources, etc etc) and serious character development - you know, instead of making a certain someone a trophy for 10+ episodes.
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SAO-Don't need to explain. it's been explained well enough already

Fate/Zero-It would have been better if the ending didn't involving Fate/stay night (bad memories)

Code Geass-1st season good, 2nd season they did a 180 on all the best stuff, the ending salvaged the series (my opinion)
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zetsuen no tempest, it should have kept its dark tone, intellectual situations and twists, as well as the lingering hints of a tragic event incomming instead of adding the light hearted tone of the 2nd had far form bad but episode 1-12 had the potential to be something special while after that took a few steps back

dangan ronpa: 13 episodes, enough said, this is why i think nine times out of ten 11-13 episodes isnt enough to tell the full potential of a story

darker than black season 2: WHY WHY WHY WHY, all that potential season 1 left on, all the potential developments and places it could have climbed to, and what do you do? focus on a really annoying girl and dick around for half the season. great fucking job

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Clannad After Story. For reasons anyone who's watched it will already know.
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Clannad After Story. For reasons anyone who's watched it will already know.


I still think it's a masterpiece regardless.
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Darker than black. That second season just went into super silly mode.
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Devil Survivor 2: the Animation. First episode was great. It was fleshed out brilliantly, but then they started fleshing out Hibiki's character..... the wrong way. Not just that, due to the 13 episodes, it became impossible to completely execute it's story. DS2:tA is ruined potential. They should've never tried to make it a one-cour anime.
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Clannad After Story. For reasons anyone who's watched it will already know.
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These are the five series that come to mind with some short explanations as to what went wrong.

Angel Beats - I know it's been said already, but here are my reasons. I still ended up giving it a 10, but I called it the most flawed 10 I'd ever give. I just enjoyed it that much that I couldn't help myself. Honestly though, that series did have the makings of a masterpiece. However, it was cut too short and rushed things way too quickly. It needed a two season set in the worst way. While I didn't mind him, I'll admit that the series leads were not the most interesting. Hell, the supporting characters are what made this series go.

Neon Genesis Evangelion (series) - I know there are people that still consider it a masterpiece regardless. Still, I can't help but think this thing could've been the greatest anime ever made and failed in the worst way with its ending. Hell, anyone who's watched the series can tell you how ridiculous some of the obvious budget cuts were...with still screens lasting for several minutes in several instances. Very rarely do I shout, "do something!" at my TV screen, but that series had me doing that. NGE is probably the most frustrating anime series I've ever watched because no matter how much I wanted to like it, at the end of the day, I freaking hated it!

Sword Art Online - This series received a ton of hype because it had an extremely attractive plot. Kid gets trapped in online video game, struggle to survive, etc. It had a potentially strong romance. However, it really squandered it's opportunities. It needed more of a focus on the Aincrad arc and developing the characters from that particular arc. The Aincrad arc was way too jumpy and didn't have the best narrative flow. Don't get me started at the train-wreck that was the Alfeim arc. My God, that was painful to watch. Honestly, that series needed a full 25 episode focus on the Aincrad arc rather than the 14-11 split that we got (or something like that).

Gosick - While I don't know if this would've been regarded as a masterpiece or not, I do seriously feel like Gosick squandered some opportunities to be a truly great anime. Its last two episodes were just such a stark contradiction of what the first 23 episodes built that by the time it was over, I shook my head in disbelief at how much they rushed the ending. I still have no clue as to what the hell they were trying to get across with the imagery they used in the last two episodes. It made the final resolution more vague when it should've been clarifying. I'm not sure if it's because it's supposed to make the viewer develop their own interpretation...but it just didn't work because Gosick was not that sort of series and even if they wanted to make it that sort of series, they waited way too long...

Death Note - This series is a mixed bag because there are some people that think it is a masterpiece and some people that think it's a hot, steaming mess. I think it's the latter. I will give Death Note this, it had a fascinating beginning that kept the viewer interested. It had a nice bunch of twists and turns...however, after "a certain character" dies, this series went to shit. Of course, that's not a statement that I was a fan boy of this "character" and was just fuming that they killed him off. It was a statement that the series became boring, illogical, and uninteresting. The series was applauded with its ending, which I will say the series had a solid ending (not great, but solid)...but I seriously skipped ahead to it because I was that uninterested in the events that happened in between "said character death" and "ending." I do think this series over-romanticized some things within this series (I seriously laughed my ass off at the potato chip scene when it was supposed to be intense). This is one series where I don't know what they could've done to make it better because I've never read the manga and all I've ever seen is people say, "the manga did it better."
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