Zokuowarimonogatari Speculation thread (Beware of spoilers)

Grouchio said:
I'M SOLD AND FLOORED!!!!! The ending of this series will become the absolute best in Anime if this turns out to be true!!!

fedek said:
So it will be kinda REVERSE katanagatari ending.

Nisio trolled me again, i mean i respect him for the brave decision of killing araragi.


I hope there`s some kind of explanation, if he mets Mayoi in heaven.

mugimugi said:
Reading my own post makes me realize that given her abillities, Gaen is more suited to be the person pulling the strings....
I am very confused.

CRadu said:
I'm bewildered right now. I don't read the LN's, but damn, all this information is hard to digest. Guess I'll have to hold on to my questions since I see there are some more volumes to come and you guys don't have the answers yet. But just as a side note, will Oshino Meme make an appearance in the current airing season ?

yukaru00 said:
... And I found this.
http://www.animate.tv/news/img.php?id=1375632347&p=1&n=1

CRadu said:


Nan desu ka ?

hpulley said:
Ougi Formula is the name of the first arc of the book, one of three I think. Oogi is Oogi Oshino, first seen in Kabuki so that must be her arc.

yukaru00 said:


I didn't quite getting the gist of this.
Does it means that Owarimonogatari volume got three sub arcs?
Based on the information provided there, Owarimonogatari novel will be first release/publish in Bessatsu Shounen Magazine--pretty strange though.

Btw, I did know Ougi as I have read Kabuki before.

hpulley said:
The first 40 pages was released in the magazine. The whole book comes out September 9th.

I believe it says Oogi Formula (originally supposed to be Oogi Dark) is the first arc of three but it could have been part one of three in the magazine. I'd have to check the article again.

Grouchio said:
I wonder if the upcoming manga will be translated for reading...

It is a visual manga, right?

Grouchio said:
...But isn't it on the same magazine as SNK? How does that work?

Grouchio said:
Wait, has the hinting Hana arc (which comes after Zokuowari I think) been bypassed by the final season, throwing all forms of possible good outcomes out of the window? Is Shinbo going to gainax the ending on us again?! *screams in terror*

Xinception said:
Wait wait wait. If Hana is set after Koyomi.... how the fuck could Kanbaru know that Koyomi said that Shinobu will eat demon parts? Unless I'm missing something here.

Also, erhm.... I kinda miss Nadeko... poor girl... does Koyomi help her in Koyomimonogatari?

Any hints that Hitagi and Koyomi might break up? I send death threats to NishiOishiN if he makes that happen.

yukaru00 said:


As said in previous posts, Koyomimonogatari is basically short stories that happened in between previous arcs spanning from Neko Kuro to Hana.
Only the last 2 chapters of Koyomimonogatari contains the opening stories for the next development.

1. That has been cover in earlier novels, I presume. I don't know the details as I haven't read Hana and Tsuki yet. Just assume Araragi tells Kanbaru about Shinobu stuff, Nisio loves to fuck the readers with twists.

2. Nadeko appears in Koyomimonogatari but her chapter is some side event that happened before Otori.

3. No hints on that matter yet. I don't think they will break up at all, unless someone are threaten them until there is no choice left, just like what Nadeko had done in Otori and Koi.

mugimugi said:
Some little info about Koyomimonogatari



Hanamonogatari suggests that Koyomi and Hitagi still are together.

The first three stories of Ougi Dark are Ougi Formula, Sodachi Riddle and Sodachi Lost.
Ougi Formula plays after the summer holidays, also where Tsubasa Tiger starts and Kabuki starts/ends (the first scene of Kabuki with Ougi is after the time traveling) but before Nadeko Medusa since Hanekawa appears at the end of Ougi Formula.



So again, their first meeting must be somewhere after Kabuki and Nekomonogatari, mosty likely after early Onimonogatari.

mugimugi said:


Koyomi notices he doesn't cast a reflection on the mirror and decides he needs to ask someone about it. Shinobu is little help and the only specialist on immortals he knows would be Kagenui but he doesn't want to meet her (Nisemonogatari still hurts)
The next best person he could talk to would be Yotsugi,i but he doesn't know how to find her until Gaen sends him information on how he can contact Yotsugi (turns out she's in an UFO catcher machine, being a doll).
Kagenui appears, and this is important, she tells him that Koyomi is actually turning into a real vampire (not a slave vamp, more like a real vamp like Kisshot). This is due to him using the vampirism too many times (after effects from the most recent fighting with Sengoku).
She tells him not to buff up anymore (enhance vampirism) or she'd have to kill him and there is no way to to stop it otherwise. (Kagenui suddenly disappeared later in Koyomimonogatari, this might be related to it)
Prior to this, Koyomi told Tsukihi to go to Kanbaru's place just in case Kagenui would do something silly again. Suddenly he gets a message from Gaen telling him to check out Kanbaru's place because something happened.
Koyomi and Yotsugi eventually figure out that they were kidnapped (Kanbaru and Tsukihi), because of some magical origami that has been left behind and multiplied itself by touching it.
Turns out the kidnapper is a "friend" of Kagenui, also specialist on immortals but not under Gaen's pawn. He want's to see Koyomi at the shrine.
They meet Ougi on the way, who apparently waited there for them but she's just being mysterious as ever.
The specialist tells Koyomi that he's sick of what's going, the recent occurences couldn't have been coincidences and there's someone behind all of it. (Same thing Kaiki mentioned once).
He then wants Koyomi to find Meme because he thinks Meme can end it all and then want his love to kill him. Yotusgi immediately kills him.
Later, some conversation are being held, mainly with Hitagi and Koyomi decides to contact Hanekawa to help him finding Meme. Yotsugi finds her new home in Tsukihi's room.

mugimugi said:
I don't know exactly, she's already gone in Otorimonogatari but Hanekawa was looking for Meme that's why Koyomi wants to contact her. She might already be in town because Hitagi says he should wait contacting her for the next day, with a smile on her face.

Koyomi fights Sengoku on a daily basis for almost two months. Kaiki resolves the matter later.

mugimugi said:
Gaen expects Shinobu to kill herself so..
Also, it depends on what the second book of Ougi Dark is about. The first book seems to be more related to Sodachi or Koyomi. I have no idea right now though. But I wonder if the book jumps around time if not then it's all prior to Koyomi's death and we have to wait till Zokuowari. But I am sure the end of Owari contains some big thing especially when it's titled Ougi Dark.

mugimugi said:


Gaen is kinda all knowing and also posses the original Kokorowatari. I think she might be knowing what's she's doing. If Shinobu could be stopped is one thing if she wants to act is another thing. The books pointed out that Shinobu can't or rather won't do anything like that after what she saw and disliked of events in the alternate timeline, showing her that might have been on purpose to "cockblock" her.
Also to be fair, Meme took Shinobu's heart without her noticing it, Gaen could do something similiar. In Neko: Shiro, Shinobu mentions that her link with Koyomi seems to be weakened or something like that. She didn't notice how it happened and she also didn't turn back into big Kisshot.

Yeah, Sodachi is the old classmate which went hikkimori. Shaft might tease her appearance in Onimonogatari. I don't know what exactly her role would be, besides that Koyomi remembers why he lost faith in humanity before he met Hanekawa. But it is also unkwown why Sodachi had to take the blame, if that's even relevant.

Xinception said:

Kokorowatari? I'm guessing that it's some kind of ultimate weapon then?

Let's hope Sodachi's story have some hints about our current situation.

yukaru00 said:


Kokorowatari is the long sword that you have seen before in Neko Kuro and Kabuki, though the one Araragi and Shinobu used in these two installments is the replica of the original sword.

Kokorowatari is also called the kaii killer and alongside kokorowatari there is another sword, Yumewatari, the sword that can revive dead kaii. The origin of these two sword will be covered later in Onimonogatari.

Xinception said:


Alrighty! I'm having a hunch that these 2 swords will play vital roles in the future. Yumewatari might be used to revive Koyomi? Since he's almost fully vampire and all?

yukaru00 said:


Most probably.

Xinception said:

But the Yumewatari's location is nowhere to be found yet, yes?

yukaru00 said:


Besides its function and origin, Nisio never told what happened to the sword after some misfortune happened to the original wielder.

mugimugi said:
Okay I think we got a possible NTR ending.. again.

mugimugi said:
Okay I think we got a possible NTR ending.. again.