| This is going to unintentionally come off as an insult but you don't really get the anime industry, do you? |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
NickyCharisma said: he doesn't.This is going to unintentionally come off as an insult but you don't really get the anime industry, do you? |
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| Sex sells. |
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| Then do you want someone to explain it to you? |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
| The possibility of weaving any story into existence doesn't mean that it's easy to create a great one. Nor does it mean it's easy to get it recognized and funded. |
| http://www.anime4649.com Getting caught up on anime. |
obtrice said: The possibility of weaving any story into existence doesn't mean that it's easy to create a great one. Nor does it mean it's easy to get it recognized and funded. Exactly. Easier said than done. |
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obtrice said: and why waste time with all of this when you know ecchi/comedy sells.The possibility of weaving any story into existence doesn't mean that it's easy to create a great one. Nor does it mean it's easy to get it recognized and funded. |
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| And it's not just that, the whole way that anime is funded is bass-awkwards. |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
| Kinda makes me wonder though. Assume there was a season where every anime released would had been a big hit if they were released in any other regular season. Compared to the average, each of these shows would had gotten a 9/10 or 10/10 by the large majority of anime fans, as well as receiving critical acclaim by even the most jaded of critics. However, they're released alongside one another. Would the anime industry explode over this? Would anime fans completely empty out their wallets to support everything? Would it bring in a large amount of new viewers? Would fans become exhausted? Would the bar for "great anime" be risen so high that, if the following seasons didn't have the same output, there would be an even larger outcry of anime dying? Assuming there were 15 of them, would at 1, 2, or even 5 of the slightly inferior anime get slaughtered by the rest through the fandom's helplessness in supporting every single title? Just a couple of things that came to my mind. It sounds nice and it would be really exciting, yeah, but I'm not sure what would really happen. |
| I have funds, do you have ideas? Let's employ someone and put in place a new anime studio. We shall make anime to please everyone... or maybe, not. |
| Aliis si licet, tibi non licet. |
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sherlock5545 said: I have funds, do you have ideas? Let's employ someone and put in place a new anime studio. We shall make anime to please everyone... or maybe, not. Even though one in-between animator only makes 15,000 dollars salary, you still need a lot of people and a lot of money to make one show. |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
NickyCharisma said: sherlock5545 said: I have funds, do you have ideas? Let's employ someone and put in place a new anime studio. We shall make anime to please everyone... or maybe, not. Even though one in-between animator only makes 15,000 dollars salary, you still need a lot of people and a lot of money to make one show. It was sarcasm ;) I know it's not easy task and it takes a lot of money just for a single show. |
| Aliis si licet, tibi non licet. |
sherlock5545 said: NickyCharisma said: sherlock5545 said: I have funds, do you have ideas? Let's employ someone and put in place a new anime studio. We shall make anime to please everyone... or maybe, not. Even though one in-between animator only makes 15,000 dollars salary, you still need a lot of people and a lot of money to make one show. It was sarcasm ;) ... Well I wasn't talking to you! |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
| Kickstarter may change things |
| http://www.anime4649.com Getting caught up on anime. |
| The anime industry is all about selling BDs/DVDs/Merchandise end of story. Innovative stories rarely sell these items. |
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| Even then, there are limits to it. Although if Takeshi Koike were to purpose a Redline 2, I would bankrupt all my friends and family without them knowing it just to fund it. Edit: So I guess that I forgot to quote but what I'm referring to in my statement is Kickstarter. |
NickyCharismaJul 11, 2013 3:32 PM
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
| Another chronic complainer. Seriously I don't get why people keep watching anime if they are not satisfied with it. Nigga, just move to another medium. |
Jauregui said: Another chronic complainer. Seriously I don't get why people keep watching anime if they are not satisfied with it. Nigga, just move to another medium. To be fair, they are probably disappointed that anime isn't meeting its potential as a medium. |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
| I'm sure you're quite the writer yourself. I am sure you have written stories that the likes of and Shakespeare would praise... >> |
NickyCharisma said: Jauregui said: Another chronic complainer. Seriously I don't get why people keep watching anime if they are not satisfied with it. Nigga, just move to another medium. To be fair, they are probably disappointed that anime isn't meeting its potential as a medium. To be even fairer, every medium has the same limitless potential. |
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FacelessVixen said: NickyCharisma said: Jauregui said: Another chronic complainer. Seriously I don't get why people keep watching anime if they are not satisfied with it. Nigga, just move to another medium. To be fair, they are probably disappointed that anime isn't meeting its potential as a medium. To be even fairer, every medium has the same limitless potential. To be fairer still, other mediums are more diverse. Movies are made all around the world as are games created and novels written. Anime only comes from one insular place on Earth. |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
obtrice said: No it wont, there will be projects that normally never happen through it but it wont effect the industry muchKickstarter may change things |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I like how the guy who admittedly doesn't support the anime industry complains about it. |
I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: obtrice said: No it wont, there will be projects that normally never happen through it but it wont effect the industry muchKickstarter may change things What if enough projects like Kick-Heart get funded are become too popular to ignore? |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
| It's like this with most entertainment mediums. Tons of films come out every year that are unoriginal, generic bullshit. American TV shows tend to be lame, uninspired sitcoms. It happens with everything, though maybe anime does experience it more frequently. It's all about business. |
| The problem with the world is that it's always one drink behind. |
Holybaptiser said: I like how the guy who admittedly doesn't support the anime industry complains about it. Wait what? I was defending a jerk like that? |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
| sales sales sales, sex sells, etc that is why some undeserving shows like High School DxD get sequels |
Arararraragi-kun said: does discussion need to lead to change to be worthwhile, or in this case does it need to affect the anime industry to be worthwhile?(img) |
NickyCharisma said: To be fairer still, other mediums are more diverse. Movies are made all around the world as are games created and novels written. Anime only comes from one insular place on Earth. Japanese animation. American animation. Two different reigns. Two different styles. Same fundamental creative process. Same method of production (give or take a few techniques). Same amount of potential to be meaningful in the wold of animation on a global level. But that's just me, although I wouldn't directly compare Cowboy Bebop to Looney Tunes on a point by point basis. Zeally said: sales sales sales, sex sells, etc that is why some undeserving shows like High School DxD get sequels I want my fifth season of Ikkitousen, dammit! |
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FacelessVixen said: NickyCharisma said: To be fairer still, other mediums are more diverse. Movies are made all around the world as are games created and novels written. Anime only comes from one insular place on Earth. Japanese animation. American animation. Two different reigns. Two different styles. Same fundamental creative process. Same method of production (give or take a few techniques). Same amount of potential to be meaningful in the wold of animation on a global level. But that's just me, although I wouldn't directly compare Cowboy Bebop to Looney Tunes on a point by point basis. But there's a fundamental difference in business model between American Studios and Japanese ones. |
| Let this be our little secret, no needs to know we're feeling HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER! |
| No-one cares stankface. |
undercoverism said: maybe you should give manga a try. burntlettuce said: do you need to be a writer to critique a text? i guess it would help establish your opinion's "credibility" but i feel perfectly capable of assessing how good or bad, for example, a movie is, without having made a movie myself. i feel like that would be true even more so with writing or dialogue because everyone engages in that in one form or another.I'm sure you're quite the writer yourself. I am sure you have written stories that the likes of and Shakespeare would praise... >> He didn't critique, though. He asked how hard was it to write a good story. I personally have recently started writing a novel and it is damn difficult. People come up with ideas, but stringing them together in a coherent path that is both meaningfully and relatable is a lot harder than one might think. Is it really that hard to sit down and ponder of epic plots? Not really. I've read so many made-up stories on these mangaka forums and they far surpass the quality of plot in anime being released right now. |
NickyCharisma said: But there's a fundamental difference in business model between American Studios and Japanese ones. Then that's an issue of getting the idea into production, not coming up with a unique idea, which I guess is stanklem's argument. Sucks when a lack of funds hinders the process of creative ideas getting inked and printed, but it doesn't mean that a lack of funds equates to a lack of creative ideas. Besides, it's all subjective. What a few people like others will hate, and it's one pissing mach after another of subjectivity versus "objectivity". |
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burntlettuce said: undercoverism said: maybe you should give manga a try. burntlettuce said: do you need to be a writer to critique a text? i guess it would help establish your opinion's "credibility" but i feel perfectly capable of assessing how good or bad, for example, a movie is, without having made a movie myself. i feel like that would be true even more so with writing or dialogue because everyone engages in that in one form or another.I'm sure you're quite the writer yourself. I am sure you have written stories that the likes of and Shakespeare would praise... >> He didn't critique, though. He asked how hard was it to write a good story. I personally have recently started writing a novel and it is damn difficult. People come up with ideas, but stringing them together in a coherent path that is both meaningfully and relatable is a lot harder than one might think. Is it really that hard to sit down and ponder of epic plots? Not really. I've read so many made-up stories on these mangaka forums and they far surpass the quality of plot in anime being released right now. I personally have an idea for a story that I really like and haven't seen done before (doesn't mean it hasn't, but I've looked around), but as you say, there's a difference between coming up with a crazy new idea and then turning into the real deal one hit wonder. |
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Arararraragi-kun said:  Niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| "A samurai doesn't need a reason to take action. If something needs saving, all you have to do is grab your sword"-Sakata Gintoki |
| It's not just anime. It's also tv shows, Hollywood movies, and mainstream music. Maybe certain anime developers don't mind losing credibility if they can still sell a bunch of copies, make the same amount of cash, and split it with less employees since they didn't higher good writers, soundtrack crew, etc. The better developers take longer to come out with new stuff & have more hands to pay but perhaps the same amount to go around. The only difference is the later company will have better credibility and we'll keep returning for their shows while the others we learn to stop watching their junk, they make a few quick bucks and go away. Hopefully. Unfuckwittable said: It's like this with most entertainment mediums. Tons of films come out every year that are unoriginal, generic bullshit. American TV shows tend to be lame, uninspired sitcoms. It happens with everything, though maybe anime does experience it more frequently. It's all about business. Funny I just realized we said the same thing. |
RyanBebopJul 11, 2013 5:38 PM
| Such junk... |
| Money. |
| "Do not allow yourself to be blinded by fear or anger. Everything is only as it is." |
| @FacelessVixen: I see what you're saying and I agree more than I disagree. Art is inherently subjective but there is art that appeals to a mass audience. Look at The Dark Knight or in our own medium Fullmetal Alchemist. They were both critically and commercially successful. And if there are creative ideas but they aren't produced, what good are they? |
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rederoin said: obtrice said: Kickstarter may change things For 1-2 episode OVA's, maybe. For 12+ episodes series?, doubt it. Those cost way to much money. One OVA could change the world. GitS, for example. |
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NickyCharisma said: rederoin said: obtrice said: Kickstarter may change things For 1-2 episode OVA's, maybe. For 12+ episodes series?, doubt it. Those cost way to much money. One OVA could change the world. GitS, for example. GitS did not start off as an OVA, and it did not change the world. |
rederoin said: NickyCharisma said: rederoin said: obtrice said: Kickstarter may change things For 1-2 episode OVA's, maybe. For 12+ episodes series?, doubt it. Those cost way to much money. One OVA could change the world. GitS, for example. GitS did not start off as an OVA, and it did not change the world. C'mon! It's impact in the North American anime audience cannot be understated. |
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NickyCharisma said: rederoin said: NickyCharisma said: rederoin said: obtrice said: Kickstarter may change things For 1-2 episode OVA's, maybe. For 12+ episodes series?, doubt it. Those cost way to much money. One OVA could change the world. GitS, for example. GitS did not start off as an OVA, and it did not change the world. C'mon! It's impact in the North American anime audience cannot be understated. NA is not really that relevant to the industry, compared to Japan itself. |
LimeSlate said: NickyCharisma said: rederoin said: obtrice said: Kickstarter may change things For 1-2 episode OVA's, maybe. For 12+ episodes series?, doubt it. Those cost way to much money. One OVA could change the world. GitS, for example. Maybe for you but not for the whole world. IT"S HYPEBOLE PEOPLE! A FIGER OF SPEECH! |
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