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Takuan_Soho said: hikoghert said: I don't think 'guys acting like girls' should be taken as 'proof' that they're homosexual nor is it anything negative. If I were to be specific, I would say that only Makoto, and maybe Nagisa, have a couple characteristics stereotyped for girls and people are letting their impressions of those two characters overwhelm everything else. Anyway, when female characters act in a more traditionally masculine way they're praised as being 'kickass' and 'strong', but when a guy wants to share his lunch... "wow that's so girly and being girly is totally a legit criticism for a guy, he might as well be a girl now that he's not acting in a conservative prescribed manner." Basically BS. Nobody should be praised or derided for acting however they are. It's all a matter of degrees. Same with Fanservice. When SAO went pure fan service in the Alfheim arc I criticized it, not because I dislike fanservice, but because they took away other aspects of the show to have the time to do it. The fanservice here did not bother me as much because, well its about swimming, so of course they are going to take off their shirts, and they are going for that "over the top" campy feel to it (more obvious in the ED - shark teeth opponent swimming with the pecks showing). That in itself could be amusing, though camp can get tiring and boring very quickly (one of the reasons I think this show will have trouble sustaining audiences). I think I started the whole "they are girls" thread, so I again what to stress that it isn't that they are not acting like "stereotypical" guys, or that they have some or even many feminine traits. Its not that I think they are "gay" (though KyoAni in the first episode definitely pushed that theme, I'll be curious if they tone it down from here to focus on the competition, though it will definitely continue), because that doesn't bother me (I was one of the people who defended Shinseikai Yori over episode 8). My point was that they are acting EXACTLY like girls. To use a metaphor it is as if they rotoscoped female actors and then drew male characters over them. A female on another thread said that they were acting like "perfect men". What she meant to say is that they were acting like how some women want their men: i.e. acting like females: they want the kind, concerned, emotionally expressive, loves to cook and shop (probably we'll get this in episode 3 when they go to buy new swim trunks for their team), willing to listen for hours to their problems (however trivial), in short they want guys who act exactly like girls. KyoAni is obviously pandering to that segment. They will provide some token romance between Haruka and Gou to accent Haruka as the feminine ideal. There is nothing wrong with this mind you, guys have had their share of their version of the perfect female in plenty of shows (beautiful perfect woman who is an expert cook and is sexually aggressive, but also terribly shy at the exact same time), but just as those shows turn off most women, this show is starting to turn off most men, which is a shame because with just a few cosmetic changes this show could be worth watching. I'm going to watch it till the end, but yeah, that's pretty much a great explanation on how people that complain feel about the show, or at least how I feel about it. There's also the idea that KyoAni makes shows about moe girls, right? Well, that thing about them acting feminine, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE PUNCHING US IN THE FACE! The perfect female vs the perfect man seems to be "The ideal woman vs the normal woman" to me. |
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| This thread is fun and entertaining to read, now i`m done here. see ya next week. |
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Thebigofan said: Baniita said: Some guy said this was "NOT GAY AT ALL". --Symbolic parallels of helping Haru-"chan" up from the water. Um. Okay. --He's wearing a goddamn almost-naked apron. In front of a guy. wat --Sneaking into a pool together at night. not the least bit gay nope --Haru is so tsun/kuudere it's not even funny. --Haru quits swimming like a kicked puppy after Rin leaves. UUHHHHH --"Let's swim together, Nanase. If you swim with me, I'll show you a sight you've never seen before." UNDER A SAKURA TREE *flailing at this heterosexuality* --[12:28] Why are the swimming shorts in their childhood shortshorts? ...Also, the over-the-shoulder hug there, while Haru looks away dere'ing... REALLY? NO, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? --The trophy looks like a dildo --"Romantic, right?" AHAHAHAAAHAHAHHAAAHHAA (Haru deres) .....BWAAAAAHHHHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA --"Did they just ditch us?" Yes, they did. They're going to get a room, because apparently Rin thinks only Haru is good enough for him. --Makoto tries for years to get him back into competitive stri--I mean swimming, but instantly takes it back up the moment Rin arrives. --VIOLENT SHIRT FLINGING LIKE A STRIPPER yep they went to go get a room. BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GAY --Cue Rin turning bitter, cue Haru to inspire him over the season to change his mind (what is this a dating sim) (oh wait there is a dating sim of this) --Nagisa sleeps on Haru's shoulder. Not gay. Nope. --Stripping in random places. ...HOW ARE YOU EVEN ALLOWED --Haru can't wait to strip. lemao --NAGISA IS SKINNY DIPPING WITH GUYS WHAT OKAY SERIOUSLY?!?! YOU SAID THIS WASN'T GAY??! --Water play. wtf --JUST WTF --YOU SAID THIS WASN'T GAY --THIS IS GAYER THAN KUROBASU AND TENPURI COMBINED --"I want you to show me that sight again" --okay dying --ok sers dying --and then in the ED Rin flips his hair and holds his hand out to Haru and the latter jumps into all the gayety DON'T LIE TO ME AND TELL ME SOMETHING ISN'T GAY WHEN IT'S OFF THE CHARTS IN HOMOSEXUALITY. LMAO! ROFL. I knew they will be pointed out but just LOL. I enjoy reading this reaction listed in such manner. Haha...anyway, the 'fanservice' became like a cliche to me. I merely grin watching those scenes. The other side of it, I won't deny that I like the BL undertones. Well, they were entertainingly executed. :D |
LieilaJul 4, 2013 9:22 AM
Red_Keys said: eh? if they didn't act like girls I wonder what I just witnessed because it was far from manly.Sicilian said: Nah, they didn't act like girls.Red_Keys said: Forgetting Haruhi, why would Kyoani be "trolling" us right now? Because they can? It's just when I see an episode which looks and feels like it's heroes should be girls and they do behave like a bunch of schoolgirls, but they are in fact musclebound guys. I feel trolled... well not trolled, more like raped, but still... |
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Takuan_Soho said: To be honest, I don't remember SAO ever went PURE fan service in the Alfheim arc. The fan service may have been more in that arc, but PURE fan service as if there is nothing else? No, the story still makes solid progress from episode to episode. When SAO went pure fan service in the Alfheim arc I criticized it, not because I dislike fanservice, but because they took away other aspects of the show to have the time to do it. At the end what I see is there is a tendency of exaggerating the actual amount of fan service when you don't like what you see. The funny thing is sometimes it may only be a 'fanservice' to those who hate it but on to fan of it it may not look that much of "service". I think this applies to Free! too. Some people, perhaps with some ideas about this show already formed, would take quite many scenes in this episode as "fan service" and proceed to dismiss them (and by extension the show); while to some they may not even recognize them as "fan service" beyond making the characters look cooler or better, and thus can watch the episode for its story and characterization without fretting about "fan service". |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Orsonius said: > Stereotypical Plot like every Sports anime > Cartoony Characters with unbelievable and cliche personalities > Brostep > Fanservice > Yaoi I know it's obvious that this is fujoshi bait. But this is KyoAnis lowest. It's so hard pandering it's worse than your normal harem or otaku anime. I'd like to agree with everything you just said, except I don't. This is not yaoi, please learn what that word means before you throw it around like that, and I really don't see how it's worse than your normal harem. If you take a look at all the reverse harems that came out recently or are releasing new episodes (aka Brothers Conflict or UtaPri) then you know that there is basically no plot and just fanservice. Their primary objective: pull at the heart strings of young girls. At first glance, there really isn't anything different since these are both shows targeted towards primarily a female audience, and I agree, but the difference is that one actually makes an effort to tell a story. Call it whatever you want, gay, predictable, or just bland, but there's no way this is worse than your typical harem. I have actually come to the conclusion that all the characters in reverse harem animes do are reuse recycled pick-up lines, and do whatever it takes in their tiny pea-sized minds to woo a lady. Which isn't very much apparently. This anime would definitely be less interesting and even more "stereotypical" if there was a girl as a main character because most likely, it'll just end up being a dating sim. Pick one of these youthful boys with varying personalities, and end up falling in love with the mysterious-loner-who-acts-rude-because-he-doesn't-know-how-to-express-his-true-feelings. Oh, and he also starts developing feelings because the main character is persistent in trying to make friends with him. Sound familiar? I just basically summarized every typical romance theme right there. A series focusing on friendship and swimming without a doubt sounds far more interesting than that. |
Takuan_Soho said: I think I started the whole "they are girls" thread, so I again what to stress that it isn't that they are not acting like "stereotypical" guys, or that they have some or even many feminine traits. Its not that I think they are "gay" (though KyoAni in the first episode definitely pushed that theme, I'll be curious if they tone it down from here to focus on the competition, though it will definitely continue), because that doesn't bother me (I was one of the people who defended Shinseikai Yori over episode 8). My point was that they are acting EXACTLY like girls. To use a metaphor it is as if they rotoscoped female actors and then drew male characters over them. A female on another thread said that they were acting like "perfect men". What she meant to say is that they were acting like how some women want their men: i.e. acting like females: they want the kind, concerned, emotionally expressive, loves to cook and shop (probably we'll get this in episode 3 when they go to buy new swim trunks for their team), willing to listen for hours to their problems (however trivial), in short they want guys who act exactly like girls. KyoAni is obviously pandering to that segment. They will provide some token romance between Haruka and Gou to accent Haruka as the feminine ideal. Sounds like women just want to be able to communicate well with men and also not be the one who's always doing the cooking. ????? Haruka isn't anything close to being 'kind, concerned, emotionally expressive, loves to cook and shop' many people have remarked that he's rather tsundere though there's a good amount of kuudere (dere only for water and maybe Rin). MAKOTO is the one and he's the only one. This isn't even a question of interpretation but evidence. - Haruka only cooks fish. The characters note 'hey, fish AGAIN'? Grilling fish and popping in some toast isn't 'loving' to cook. Also, he HAS to cook. He doesn't live with anyone else. - He has a bland expression for most of the show and doesn't say anything nice. A lot of what he says is basically summarized: 'nah, no, too bothersome, meh.' - He's quite cynical. "When you're ten you're a prodigy... when you're twenty you're normal." Rejecting his ~pure-hearted~ thoughts about swimming from when he was younger. - He isn't concerned with his friends' wishes and only does things when a pool/water is involved. Sounds selfish. I don't think there will be anything between Haruka and Gou. I actually thought out of all the male/female pairings they would be the least likely. However, I did think that Makoto/Gou would be possible so that fits into your theory that a hetero pairing might be used to accent the feminine ideal. Makoto is the only character I think even comes close to being that so called ideal. |
| Alert when there's swimming competitions. Gonna watch this just for those. That fabulous Ending. |
Orsonius said: After OreGairu now you have picked the target for your "my taste is so much better and all things you enjoy are trash" campaign for this season? As in OreGairu where you gave very low mark, what you rubbished about this anime shows more of your prejudice more than what the show is about. I have talked about fanservice already in my previous post, but yaoi? brostep? More like you see what you want (but hate) to see. And cliches, stereotypical, cartoony are just inarticulate words that can be used in so many anime that it does not really have much meaning. And so what if it is fujoshi bait? The vast majority of anime feature cute looking girls and are otaku bait anyway. This is just the flipside of it.> Stereotypical Plot like every Sportsanime > Cartoony Characters with unbelievable and cliche personalities > Brostep > Fanservice > Yaoi I know it's obvious that this is fujoshi bait. But this is KyoAnis lowest. It's so hard pandering it's worse than your normal harem or otaku anime. 1/5 Hated it. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Lol, this discussion became such a mess. KyoAni's animation is such an eye candy as always. Pretty good start of a series. I like both the OP and the ED. A good rivalry between Nanase and Rin. I hope their other friends turns out to be good at swimming too. Definitely not having a "shounen-ai vibe" from this. I was expecting it to be a decent slice of life series anyways. I don't know if it's necessary for Nagisa and Makoto to have no underwear when they swam at the end though. I mean, don't you usually wear shorts under your pants? |
-MgZ_ said: Lol, this discussion became such a mess. KyoAni's animation is such an eye candy as always. Pretty good start of a series. I like both the OP and the ED. A good rivalry between Nanase and Rin. I hope their other friends turns out to be good at swimming too. Definitely not having a "shounen-ai vibe" from this. I was expecting it to be a decent slice of life series anyways. I don't know if it's necessary for Nagisa and Makoto to have no underwear when they swam at the end though. I mean, don't you usually wear shorts under your pants? Nagisa took off his boxers. There was a shot of them and they have a penguin print. |
hikoghert said: -MgZ_ said: Lol, this discussion became such a mess. KyoAni's animation is such an eye candy as always. Pretty good start of a series. I like both the OP and the ED. A good rivalry between Nanase and Rin. I hope their other friends turns out to be good at swimming too. Definitely not having a "shounen-ai vibe" from this. I was expecting it to be a decent slice of life series anyways. I don't know if it's necessary for Nagisa and Makoto to have no underwear when they swam at the end though. I mean, don't you usually wear shorts under your pants? Nagisa took off his boxers. There was a shot of them and they have a penguin print. So why did he remove it? lol |
| 10/10 pretty boiis everywhere~ Deep commentary on the neurological functions of homosexuality between men and unworldly entities of spandex. Very accurate motions of the sport really prove to be an edgy gratitude. AOTY ^.^ |
-MgZ_ said: hikoghert said: -MgZ_ said: Lol, this discussion became such a mess. KyoAni's animation is such an eye candy as always. Pretty good start of a series. I like both the OP and the ED. A good rivalry between Nanase and Rin. I hope their other friends turns out to be good at swimming too. Definitely not having a "shounen-ai vibe" from this. I was expecting it to be a decent slice of life series anyways. I don't know if it's necessary for Nagisa and Makoto to have no underwear when they swam at the end though. I mean, don't you usually wear shorts under your pants? Nagisa took off his boxers. There was a shot of them and they have a penguin print. So why did he remove it? lol So he could be free! Edit: to acknowledge my bad pun )= |
-MgZ_ said: Makoto only took of his shirt, he still has his pants on in the pool. Only Nagisa fully stripped. I don't know if it's necessary for Nagisa and Makoto to have no underwear when they swam at the end though. I mean, don't you usually wear shorts under your pants? I really didn't expect that to happen [so soon]. |
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-MgZ_ said: hikoghert said: -MgZ_ said: Lol, this discussion became such a mess. KyoAni's animation is such an eye candy as always. Pretty good start of a series. I like both the OP and the ED. A good rivalry between Nanase and Rin. I hope their other friends turns out to be good at swimming too. Definitely not having a "shounen-ai vibe" from this. I was expecting it to be a decent slice of life series anyways. I don't know if it's necessary for Nagisa and Makoto to have no underwear when they swam at the end though. I mean, don't you usually wear shorts under your pants? Nagisa took off his boxers. There was a shot of them and they have a penguin print. So why did he remove it? lol he wanted to be freed from his clothes lol |
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hikoghert said: -MgZ_ said: hikoghert said: -MgZ_ said: Lol, this discussion became such a mess. KyoAni's animation is such an eye candy as always. Pretty good start of a series. I like both the OP and the ED. A good rivalry between Nanase and Rin. I hope their other friends turns out to be good at swimming too. Definitely not having a "shounen-ai vibe" from this. I was expecting it to be a decent slice of life series anyways. I don't know if it's necessary for Nagisa and Makoto to have no underwear when they swam at the end though. I mean, don't you usually wear shorts under your pants? Nagisa took off his boxers. There was a shot of them and they have a penguin print. So why did he remove it? lol So he could be free! Edit: to acknowledge my bad pun )= jajajajaja answered the same almost at the same time lol |
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| My god....what an awesome ending song + clip. *_* I want to see Rei!!! *_* |
| Hmm it was okay I guess... feel like I won't continue to watch it for long >< |
| ok i thought this was kinda funny, the water fight reminded me of that scene from Berserk that ED was fabulous |
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-MgZ_ said: The animation may be good, but the art and art direction are so boring that Free! is visually average, for me.KyoAni's animation is such an eye candy as always. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| came back to say that the ending was epic! I did not expect that at all!(forgot to add that! xD) and omg rin? why you such a douchbag? |
| I don't know if it was because I was drunk when I watched this or what, but goddamnit it was the trippiest anime I've seen in a while. Deep dramatic swimming monologue - then suddenly slice of life scenes with happy-go-lucky background music. Opening sequence: shitty K-ON slideshow then it goes all Psycho Pass first op. Not even gonna comment on the ED. What the actual F. Can't help but thinking this is actually deconstruction of someshit and there's a darker plot behin. Brown hair guy is an obvious mind reader, main guy is an exhibitionist in denial and use swimming as an excuse to get naked and blonde guy/girl dies at episode 3 (hopefully). The fanservice is only a cover. I've seen through you, KyoAni. |
Voldomino said: Can't help but thinking this is actually deconstruction of someshit and there's a darker plot behin. Brown hair guy is an obvious mind reader, main guy is an exhibitionist in denial and use swimming as an excuse to get naked and blonde guy/girl dies at episode 3 (hopefully). The fanservice is only a cover. I've seen through you, KyoAni. That would actually be pretty funny/awesome. |
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Voldomino said: I don't know if it was because I was drunk when I watched this or what, but goddamnit it was the trippiest anime I've seen in a while. Deep dramatic swimming monologue - then suddenly slice of life scenes with happy-go-lucky background music. Opening sequence: shitty K-ON slideshow then it goes all Psycho Pass first op. Not even gonna comment on the ED. What the actual F. Can't help but thinking this is actually deconstruction of someshit and there's a darker plot behin. Brown hair guy is an obvious mind reader, main guy is an exhibitionist in denial and use swimming as an excuse to get naked and blonde guy/girl dies at episode 3 (hopefully). The fanservice is only a cover. I've seen through you, KyoAni. I hate to admit it to you bro, but...you do kind of sound drunk lol |
| Nice first episode! Nagisa is great, shame about how Rin turned out :') I'm sure there'll be some explanation for that at a later date. Gou is really cute, hopefully she's in it more than just a few cameos here and there. Looking forward to the rest of the show! |
Immahnoob said: Red_Keys said: lmfao Which character is homosexual? The main is in denial, Makoto has no idea what's going on (probably not homosexual, we'll see), the blonde guy is totally homosexual and the rival has hints of being in denial too. I think the main character is leaning towards tsundere (and denial's a strong possibility), Makoto is definitely setting off my gay radar- I think he's into Haruka or he has something really emotional and deep and most likely lame (by my standards- face-palming lame) to say to Haruka and it'll be kept under wraps till the middle of the show or some pivotal moment or something. But no seriously, he is so setting off my gay-radar. The blondie though doesn't seem homosexual but more like a 'yolo!', down-to-get-it-on-with-anyone type of laidback guy. The only thing that pisses me off about him is his voice which makes him out to be some male loli. Rival seems a bit in denial as well but I think it's more of a sexual frustration thing with him since he's gone to an all-boy's since middle school. And from what I can tell so far, that Rei guy who'll pop up soon seems like a pretty chill dude (judging his dance moves on the ED song, totally fits the image of a fun guy to hit on) but I have a tiny fear that they're going to make him out to be that guy who reeks of 'prince-ly' aura and is always trying to grab someone and kiss them while saying lame lines. I'd rather they make him the controversial comedian cause I'd love it if he showed up and his first lines were, "Are you all gay?" or something =P |
Aozumi said: hikoghert said: -MgZ_ said: hikoghert said: -MgZ_ said: Lol, this discussion became such a mess. KyoAni's animation is such an eye candy as always. Pretty good start of a series. I like both the OP and the ED. A good rivalry between Nanase and Rin. I hope their other friends turns out to be good at swimming too. Definitely not having a "shounen-ai vibe" from this. I was expecting it to be a decent slice of life series anyways. I don't know if it's necessary for Nagisa and Makoto to have no underwear when they swam at the end though. I mean, don't you usually wear shorts under your pants? Nagisa took off his boxers. There was a shot of them and they have a penguin print. So why did he remove it? lol So he could be free! Edit: to acknowledge my bad pun )= jajajajaja answered the same almost at the same time lol LOL. Actually not a bad pun, hahaha. |
| I was rewatching the ED (for like the thousandth time) and I'm certainly not the only one who noticed this, right?: I know I"m not supposed to question these kind of things, but now that I think about it... Haru's true form is probably a dolphin. This would explain so much. Also, it's probably some sort of weird symbolism crap with the whole everyone needs water and is thirsty, Rin's a water hogger, and happiness = found at the oasis where they all meet up and Haru-chan runs into at full speed stripping his clothes like a mad man. I will not question it anymore. Too deep. What bothers me most is how I totally didn't notice it before. I need to get my eyes checked. Maybe I was too busy staring googly eyed at all the guys and I lost the ability to process information. That's okay, it's only temporary...I hope! |
EarlCielJul 4, 2013 11:14 AM
Takuan_Soho said: hikoghert said: Sounds like women just want to be able to communicate well with men and also not be the one who's always doing the cooking. Did I say that it was wrong, I just said that this was the "ideal" and KyoAni made sure to press those buttons during the first episode. They do that in their male oriented animation as well (ironically the traits really aren't that different). Sometimes the story allows you to overlook how deliberate they are in doing this (Chuunibyou), but just as often the story has little to recommend it (Tamako market, only Dera made the show worth watching). What I am saying is that Free seems closer to the latter than the former. It's only unique aspect is that they replaced their typical female character with even men. You said women want men who are like women. I say no that's not the bottom line. We, or at least I, don't think that if men had those traits they would be "acting like females." First and foremost and basically the only important thing is that such traits would typically facilitate a nicer, more communicative relationship. Takuan_Soho said: hikoghert said: ????? Haruka isn't anything close to being 'kind, concerned, emotionally expressive, loves to cook and shop' many people have remarked that he's rather tsundere though there's a good amount of kuudere (dere only for water and maybe Rin). For now, that will change with the show. Just like the "perfect woman" starts out all tsun tsun before turning all dere dere. The tracks to that conclusion have been measured, gauged, graded, laid, secured, all that is left is for the train to reach the station on time. That's a completely baseless assertion. Your perfect versions of men and women are different so there is no reason they would start the same and go along the same development route. Also, not all tsunderes turn out to be perfect. Takuan_Soho said: hikoghert said: The characters note 'hey, fish AGAIN'? Grilling fish and popping in some toast isn't 'loving' to cook. Also, he HAS to cook. He doesn't live with anyone else. Not surprising that someone obsessed with water only eats fish. I think you missed the joke. And you missed the point. We see him cooking twice and Nagisa said he was a good cook. This is somehow a cue for him 'loving' to cook. No. It's actually an example of how he just loves to eat fish. It is not an example of him loving to cook especially when he seems to always cook the same thing and looks extremely bored cooking. How he looks when he swims and how he looks when he cooks are completely different and he loves swimming. Takuan_Soho said: hikoghert said: I don't think there will be anything between Haruka and Gou. I actually thought out of all the male/female pairings they would be the least likely. However, I did think that Makoto/Gou would be possible so that fits into your theory that a hetero pairing might be used to accent the feminine ideal. Makoto is the only character I think even comes close to being that so called ideal. No, it will be Haruka. Outside of his obvious fixation on Gou's brother (which can be transferred to the sister), Makoto is not a "romance" candidate. The really Ironic thing about the "feminine ideal" is that women SAY they want that, but they actually want more of the "bad boy who they redeemed/saved" who THEN has all those feminine ideals. Makoto is already there, Haruka is the "bad boy", the diamond in the rough. I'm calling it at one. If I am wrong, I will come back here in September and publicly apologize to you. lmao what. Gou is a supporting character. You're talking about basically a 180 personality change for Haruka and saying that she will be the one to 'save' him or whatever. This is not what this anime is about. Why would Haruka ever switch his attentions to Gou when Rin is about to become THE point of fixation for him (that's the plot of this anime). Feelings don't just 'transfer' - this is the most important point of your scenario and there is no basis for it AT ALL. Anyway. The most important thing here is the reading of the characters. It is unfair to the characters to say 'they act like girls', not because that's an insult but because it's not true. Such a thing can only be reasonably argued for ONE character. If you think Haruka will change then call it when it actually happens. As it is, Rin, Haruka and Nagisa have minimal 'feminine ideal' characteristics so 'they act like girls' is an unsubstantiated claim. It was not my goal to extrapolate/asspull ideas on where the characters would go but rather to examine as they are now. |
| Imo I don't think it was bad, but they overdid it with the over-the-top girlish side of all the male characters. Thats probably my only complaint for now. If they could add some actual romance with girls I probably wouldn't even mind the crazy amount of fanservice. I'm shipping NanasexHomeroomTeacher, make it happen. Edit: AND THEY DON'T HAVE NIPPLES! WTF? |
KneelBeforeMeJul 4, 2013 11:32 AM
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EarlCiel said: I hate to admit it to you bro, but...you do kind of sound drunk lol Don't worry, I'lll take it as a compliment~ Question: why are you all fixed on analysing the gay undertones? Y'all sounds like a bunch of Freudian fujoshi. |
Sourire said: Edit: AND THEY DON'T HAVE NIPPLES! WTF? Aren't there more guys in anime who don't have them as compared to the ones who do? I honestly don't get why this is being brought up so often... |
| wow... the animations, music everything just TOP but this stupid undressing and showing of... and the mix of 99% male only.. i want a good girl x boy story not some naked guys/girls in aprons :/ if the sister gets some more showtime 8/10 (wont be happening anyway) i hope enough japanese people go ragemode so they never make this mono gender shows again (same with k-on) |
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EarlCiel said: I was rewatching the ED (for like the thousandth time) and I'm certainly not the only one who noticed this, right?: As you know whales and dolphins were once land animals who returned to the ocean. A lot of the transitory fossils that help show this evolution have been discovered in Sahara. Don't know if this was a reference to this or not. If you ever want to argue with your average creationist, the whale lineage is an excellent argument to nullify nearly every compliant they can make :-) |
Face_Faith said: well they aren't usually shown as much as in this so its still a weird sight.. I guess we could talk about the no-bulge also but its a pg-13 show so I can understand.Sourire said: Edit: AND THEY DON'T HAVE NIPPLES! WTF? Aren't there more guys in anime who don't have them as compared to the ones who do? I honestly don't get why this is being brought up so often... |
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