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CallMeIshmael said: I'm well aware.MoonageDaydream said: I'm confused about why Touma is calling Misaka Biribiri. It's the Japanese sound effect for electricity's sparkling/crackling. |
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MoonageDaydream said: CallMeIshmael said: I'm well aware.MoonageDaydream said: I'm confused about why Touma is calling Misaka Biribiri. It's the Japanese sound effect for electricity's sparkling/crackling. Then you shouldn't be confused... |
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| Still I think 10032's laugh in index is better than this :) But I loved this one too The one that's with Touma is Misaka 10032 right? Hmm in index there's only one Misaka, in Railgun S.. why there are 2 of Misaka's clone? Mod Edit: Removed spoilers. |
LunaJul 2, 2013 6:19 AM
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Ray_Light said: Still I think 10032's laugh in index is better than this :) But I loved this one too The one that's with Touma is Misaka 10032 right? Hmm in index there's only one Misaka, in Railgun S.. why there are 2 of Misaka's clone? I like how the clones no longer have those terrible eyes I can actually mistake the clones for the original now. Mod Edit: Modified quote. |
LunaJul 2, 2013 6:19 AM
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| Ohhh no i was able to catch up now i have to wait 1 week for every episode. mikasa 9982 i will never forget you and 10032 is cute all of misaki clones are cute. Mod Edit: Removed spoilers. |
LunaJul 2, 2013 6:17 AM
| Question Misaka is supposed to be from Towadaki? which is a school for rich girls. She is said to even be among the elite there, yet why does her house look so plain. I mean having maids and butlers aside, her house depicted here looks like an average house. Granted I think shows like Ouran High and Hana Yori Dango etc. have exaggerated the super rich in Japan living in enormous western mansions 4 stories tall, or old style Japanese houses on 100 acre properties, but still. |
krownklown said: Tokiwadai isnt for rich girls.It is for high level esper girls.Their status outside Academy City doesnt matter at all(this goes for ALL schools).There was a case that started an international incident when they refused to take in a girl from a royal family because she wasnt strong enough(Level 3 and higher).Question Misaka is supposed to be from Towadaki? which is a school for rich girls. She is said to even be among the elite there, yet why does her house look so plain. I mean having maids and butlers aside, her house depicted here looks like an average house. Granted I think shows like Ouran High and Hana Yori Dango etc. have exaggerated the super rich in Japan living in enormous western mansions 4 stories tall, or old style Japanese houses on 100 acre properties, but still. Misaka's family are wealthy enough to not have any financial problems but not so rich to have maids etc. Her mother is currently Her father's job is |
ssjokgJun 30, 2013 2:39 AM
| Touma and Misaka clone were incredibly sweet this time Misaka talking like Touma by destroying Three Diagram was funny It was a nice add to Index story with Accelerator beating up the punks as well |
| We finally got Misaka's side on when she learned the destruction of the Tree Diagram. I hate that Index and Himegami is just referenced, they didn't appear! |
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flyon14 said: The first three seasons were good but damn J.C.Staff, this is a much higher level. Every single episode is great a worth the wait. It's almost Index II 17th episode each week ! Well… Almost. Holy shit, I forgot this was made by JC STAFF, this has to be one of their best series. |
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Tyrel said: That's not what I meant. Never mind.MoonageDaydream said: CallMeIshmael said: I'm well aware.MoonageDaydream said: I'm confused about why Touma is calling Misaka Biribiri. It's the Japanese sound effect for electricity's sparkling/crackling. Then you shouldn't be confused... |
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| Haha it was fun to see Touma's random interactions with 10032 again. Lol at her dog joke hehe. Loved watching Misaka's shocked expression there at the end as well. I've been really looking forward to seeing what her reaction would be like knowing the attempt to hack into the Tree Diagram was pointless with it already destroyed. |
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neontaster said: God I love how this is intersecting with Index. This. I love how it isn't just a prequel, but a different perspective. Show is amazing, even for a slower paced episode like this. |
| Wait that's Misaka's mother? Damn, I need to see more of her. |
DoctorDoom said: Watch Toaru Majutsu no Index II.Wait that's Misaka's mother? Damn, I need to see more of her. |
| another same story as in Index. next week's gonna be a blast!!! |
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| First episode I've been a little disappointed with - and oddly not directly because of Touma even with all his screentime. It's more because of the laziness of the writers (adaptation or not, it was lazily handled - I don't give a shit if the manga did this too, if so it was lazy there as well) - almost 90% of the episode was Index material rehashed and re-drawn with Railgun's budget. Only a small portion was new or Railgun-specific material. The show is Railgun, seeing a character who isn't even one of the 4 main leads whatsoever have more screen time than even the title-character is a bit stupid - especially when it undermines the point of having a main series and a spin-off series following some of the same story by having the lead of the episode be the star of the main series and having every scene one that already happened almost verbatim in his show. As much as I hate Touma and Index - my problem is that this was almost an episode of Index rather than an episode of Railgun featuring Touma and all that. Almost all of it is scenes that have already been animated in Index, the same everything, just re-done a little bit. The point of having two show is that Index has Touma's perspective mainly and Railgun has Biribiri's mainly - but now we just got Touma's an entire episode, which defeats the entire point of Railgun being a thing. Not only do we just get Touma's perspective - we get the SAME EXACT SCENES that were in Index already. It's not even NEW Touma material - which would actually be something I'd be fine with because it'd be furthering the Railgun side of the full story that Index and Railgun combine to create. It's one thing for cameos or fun little episodes (like the one focusing on the Anti-Skill lady), but the serious story parts should be NEW material - MOSTLY stuff not already shown in Index. That's the POINT of Railgun's main story - to see what was going on on HER side of things during the events that take place in Index to further flesh out the full story. Having Index then literally re-drawing the same exact sequences from Index into Railgun is just redundant and a waste of everyone's time. This was an episode of Index, not of Railgun. That'd be fine if it was a new episode of Index, but it was like watching a rerun. A wastefully redundant episode that forgot what it was doing and ended up basically being a random recap episode of Index instead of anything new for EITHER series. |
TallonKarrde23Jul 1, 2013 7:41 PM
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TallonKarrde23 said: >hates Index and rages when people recommend it to others. >wants important parts of the story cut out because he has seen them before. >Misaka screen time>>Accelerator,Sisters,Touma who are VERY relevant to the arc and the series. Well this is ALL your opinion and no there is nothing subjective about your post.There is only the fact that you are the only one feeling like this and btw it doesnt seem to be at the scale of "a little". I have no words for calling this episode a waste of everyone's time(lol you asked everyone about that?) when they wasted an entire ep AND killed the mood, looking for a 4 leaf glover(not to mention the stupid rice cooker some eps before that was there just to fill some time),calling it char development when it isnt even near Kuroko's char development in Index's Sister Arc which I hope it gets animated here and not just make Touma a freaking DEM(I dont really care but who wants people to criticize a good series for something that it didnt do)just because you want more Mikasa in the eps.Story wise that is the best option. Did I forgot to mention that Mikasa's scenes were fantastic?Because apparently the "good part" was overshadowed,for you,for reasons only you understand. And this wasnt a Touma POV episode but a Sisters and Misaka POV ep(and a bit of Accelerator). Yes Railgun is for Misaka's POV not in this arc but the Railgun series in general.But numerous times both in the manga and anime the POV changed to someone else so it would be more appropriate to call it Misaka's Side POV which includes Kuroko,Saten,Uiharu,Kiyama and in this arc Accelerator,Nunotaba ,ITEM and Sisters.Oh and I like that you know what the point of Railgun is.Apparently Kamachi should learn from you.Who would have guess that when Misaka Mikoto's POV would end they would show other important parts of the arc? This was an episode of Railgun and if you hate this then I advise you to not watch the rest episodes of this arc since they will be "recaps" anyway.There is no need for the same post in 5 different threads. THIS is Sisters Arc.Railgun or Index is irrelevant.They wont change the story or skip important scenes just to please you(someone in a small fraction of the fanbase,although I dont want to include you in it at all) instead of the majority of the fanbase whether they have seen Index or not. |
ssjokgJul 2, 2013 10:48 AM
| dniv and ssokj - I'm gonna copy paste a comment I made on my blog so it may or may not entirely apply 100% but it covers everything I'd say in response so don't focus on bits and pieces that may not apply in this case; "My problem isn’t so heavily focused on Touma having screen time but more that Railgun’s whole purpose is to provide NEW material on those same story scenarios. Yes, this arc happens in both series/the LN, but Railgun (the manga and the show) could have still showed Touma and the Sister – but with NEW material. They literally re-did the same exact scenes with the same-exact lines in the same-exact way. The point of Railgun (in the crossover parts like this arc) is to show the story from a new perspective and further flesh out the events. So, okay, I can accept Touma being around a lot because he’s a big player in the arc – and like I was saying, I can tolerate him a lot more in Railgun anyway so he wasn’t so bad – the problem is that they LITERALLY just went back to their Index storyboards and scripts and re-animated them and that’s almost ALL the episode was. Hell, look back at season 1 of Railgun – “railgun-only” types ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW the full story, just like INDEX only fans aren’t supposed to. That’s the entire POINT of Railgun and Index having shared story arcs; you don’t get to know the full story until you deal with both. Like, for example, the Tree Diagram. From what I was spoiled on thanks to the godawful moderation on MAL, this is something that happened awhile back and NOT something Railgun fans will ever find out about if they don’t touch Index at all. It’s a HUGE aspect of the entire Raildex universe – the Tree Diagram is something brought up almost constantly throughout the series and in every serious arc, including this one. Yet, for Railgun fans, we only get to know it was destroyed ‘somehow at some point’. To learn more we have to go out of our way to watch or read Index or whatever. I don’t see why that’s not the case with the rest of this episode. Why do we even SEE Touma and the Sister? This is supposed to be from Biribiri’s point of view – how would we know what’s going on with Touma? The entire point of Railgun is that we DON’T KNOW what’s going on with Touma and that entire side of the story. I knew of these scenes but, as I’ve said plenty, never actually watched Index cuz I couldn’t tolerate it long enough to. So was it ‘useful information’? Yeah – the same way 100% of Index would be to the REST of the goddamn manga-adapted serious episodes of Railgun. Yet we never had to sit through an episode of literally about 90% rehashed storyboards and dialogue from Index. Touma is not the lead for a reason – not ‘lelelelel biribiri so much better’ but because this side story exists to flesh out the less-developed stories in Index. Neither Index fans NOR Railgun fans were given jack shit out of this episode. The only people I see praising it anywhere are Index fans because “TOUMMAAA XDDDD YEAAAAA XDDDDD WOOOOOOO TOUMMMMMAAAAA-SAAANA KAKKOOOIII :)” not for the episode as an episode. Just for the touma fanservice of him being around. This furthered the story of NEITHER series. You argue that this episode’s footage directly from Index is “necessary” because of how important Touma and these events are to the arc. This just ain’t true. There are plenty of arcs in Index where Mikoto is massively important yet she was just quickly skimped over throughout the ENTIRETY of Index because SHE HAS HER OWN SIDE-STORY TO FLESH OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON DURING THAT TIME IN THE STORY. I maen, does Index show the past 10 episodes of this season? Biribiri on the war path as a terrorist is PRETTY FUCKING HUGE to this arc. Biribiri fighting Accelerator after he kills the one sister is PRETTY FUCKING HUGE to this arc. Yet, no, this wasn’t ever shown in Index. So why do we “need” to see Touma naming a fucking cat? How is him naming a cat and spending time with a sister more important to the entire story of the arc THAN THE ACTUAL STORY OF THE ARC? It’s NOT. Yet, while Index shows NONE of the relevant Railgun material, Railgun shows a full episode almost of directly-taken-from-Index’s-anime scenes? Really? THAT is necessary to you, but not Railgun’s stuff? This ENTIRE ARC IS ABOUT MIKOTO MISAKA. THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS ARC AND THIS STORY. Yeah, the sisters keep playing a role, but the main aspect of this arc is Mikoto. Not Touma. Yet Index never really dealt with Biribiri aside the times Touma ran into her. You’re saying that’ss fine, but you think in Railgun it’s necessary to show him naming a goddamn cat? Nothing is more important in this arc than Biribiri, yet Index entirely skimped over her – BECAUSE IT’S “INDEX” NOT “RAILGUN”. So why the FUCK does Railgun suddenly NEED to show Index-centric entirely-non-railgun-relevant material? It’s important to the arc? So were the last 10 episodes, didn’t see any of those in Index though – because TOUMA DOESN’T KNOW ABOUT THEM. Just like WE DONT KNOW ABOUT TOUMA AND WHAT HE’S DOING. That’s the POINT OF RAILGUN." If you have a defense, ESPECIALLY for those last two paragraphs, please let me know. I'd really like to hear ANY retort for that part of my reply. And saying "b-b-b-b-but Index was written first" is not an allowable excuse, both were past that point when they were animated. And SSOKJ I'd appreciate if you didn't shove words in my mouth - I never once said I was upset because there wasn't enough Mikoto. Please stop assuming things just because you have no actual defensive arguments to make, it's annoying, it's pathetic, it's just evading and deflecting, and you do it almost every time you reply to me because you're such a goddamn fanboy. For once, try to actually respond to what I SAID instead of making up things you BELIEVE I "meant". |
TallonKarrde23Jul 2, 2013 2:46 PM
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TallonKarrde23 said: You completely missed the point of Railgun 's Sister arc and talked about Touma when I barely mentioned him in my post.And no I dont care if it is from your blog,your argument is with users here in this subforum of MAL not the followers of your blog.IF you dont want to even try to reply to what we say then dont reply at all.Except Misaka there are two other sides that WERENT DEVELOPED IN INDEX in this arc.That is Accelerator and the SISTERS. Whether you like it or not Railgun isnt only about Misaka just like Index(series) isnt only about Touma and/or Index.That Toaru Kagaku no Raigun is ONLY about Misaka is only your own belief and nobody else that actually cares for this show believes that.And if this is true please explain to me that glover treasure hunt some eps ago because it was FAR FAR more irrelevant than this ep because it had NONE of the important chars of the arc.It was 90% filler 10% Kuroko with nothing new about her anyway.I already said that before and if you had paid ANY attention to the manga you would know.It is FAR worse than Touma"s "fanservice" and I really cant believe that you called actual part of the story and important event "fanservice" .And they arent Index fans they are Raildex fans.Just because YOU cant like Index doesnt mean other people like me for example cant like or even love Railgun. The parts that "werent Misaka" wasnt Touma's POV but Misaka Imouto's POV.If you think that those scenes werent important then it isnt anybody's fault but yours that you didnt find other people(Touma) making the Sisters feel for ANYTHING except their duties,you know,important. It is because of this scene and one more that they develop and care for their lives.IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE SISTER NOT FOR TOUMA(although it is for him too in a lesser way). That they are not Railgun related material is also in your own head and once again you are the only one that believes that.AND BTW,just now,or to be exact from the last ep Touma became very important to this arc,he knows some stuff and he will find out more AS YOU KNOW.To omit that just because of how you feel and not because of the story shows nothing except 1.Hate for Index series and 2.that you really like Misaka.Both have nothing to do with this arc.And no having ONLY ONE POV when BOTH are available(unlike when Index I was animated and no the manga wasnt even at that arc yet,IF it hadnt just started) isnt better. As for where you got that Misaka will get her own side for EVERY arc of Index is a mystery when only the Sister's arc connects directly to Index with every other Railgun arc being 100% irrelevant to Index's arcs.Oh btw when Misaka is important for the arcs in Index,Index DEALS with her.It is nobody's fault that you never gave the series a chance except for the first season. Now wait a fucking second....."I knew of these scenes but, as I’ve said plenty, never actually watched Index cuz I couldn’t tolerate it long enough to. So was it ‘useful information’? " *looks at list" : Toaru Majutsu no Index 7/24.... So I am trying to "discuss" with someone that claims these scenes to be a rerun,when he never saw them anyway,never had a real opinion on them(unless of course if you use the convenient excuse of "I dont update shitty shows"),never wanted anything else except for Misaka( and maybe the other girls) on screen, AND YES THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING in both posts.You never had anything to say except YOUR OWN dissatisfaction with how they "treat Misaka",apparently never actually cared for the story itself since you dont care about plot points and never had anything except for exaggerations and ignorance to base your arguments on. tl;dr :Railgun was never ONLY about Misaka.And Sisters arc isnt the only one to prove that. EDIT:BTW you contradict yourself with calling it a stand alone and then saying that you have to watch/read both Index and Railgun to understand some parts. I dont really care since I ALWAYS recommend to read both but it is YOU that always comes and goes on and on about how they dont need each other.So take a side and stop using the "stand alone" card only when it suits you. |
ssjokgJul 2, 2013 4:48 PM
| Chibi Misaka in that panda onesie. So freakin' cute I died. Misaka number 1023902309234 callin' the kitty dog. Pahaha :B And Kuroko. Oh Kuroko. Yet again you win my hearttttttt. |
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ssjokg said: As for where you got that Misaka will get her own side for EVERY arc of Index is a mystery when only the Sister's arc connects directly to Index with every other Railgun arc being 100% irrelevant to Index's arcs.Oh btw when Misaka is important for the arcs in Index,Index DEALS with her.It is nobody's fault that you never gave the series a chance except for the first season. Let me just fix this. Every arc in Railgun connects to Index somehow. The two series are intertwined BECAUSE Railgun is Index's Side Story. While we aren't going to have a Misaka side for every arc, we are going to see connections between the two stories because they are two sides to the same coin. Two perspectives on the same world. I know what you were trying to say here, ssjokg, but what you said might get horribly misinterpreted. However, we are not going to get a Misaka side to every arc of Index in which she is in. We aren't gonna get any for GRS, WWII, or Hawaii. Maybe we will get one for Ichihanaransai but I highly doubt it. ssjokg said: EDIT:BTW you contradict yourself with calling it a stand alone and then saying that you have to watch/read both Index and Railgun to understand some parts. I dont really care since I ALWAYS recommend to read both but it is YOU that always comes and goes on and on about how they dont need each other.So take a side and stop using the "stand alone" card only when it suits you. Ok, so I have been watching this argument from the sidelines and I am going to have to agree with dniv and ssjokg here, especially on this point. Tallon, I have seen you attempt multiple times to claim that Railgun is a stand alone series and here you are contradicting yourself. Railgun is not a stand alone series. Without the context from Index, Touma's role in this arc would be a huge deus ex machina while Tree Diagram's destruction would be a huge diabolus ex machina (both signs of poor writing). Neither Index nor Railgun is stand-alone as they are both so intertwined that events in Railgun have consequences on the events of Index and are even referenced in Index and vice-versa. You will be completely unable to avoid that when we have a magic-centered arc as the next story arc for Railgun S. |
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Stark700 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. This includes discussing the Index novel/anime. Also, please use spoiler tags if necessary. ---------------------------------------- HHHHGGGG, clones are just too cute, I swear.  Well, Accelerator is wearing his usual outfit again and being his badass self which I'm not surprised about. Not surprised that Misaka is still going after the facilities though. Anyways, I imagine the fight with Accelerator will begin again soon. Idk when it will take place but I'm looking forward to it. Ah finally he backs to that classic t shirt( which I love to get my hands on) |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Yet Index never really dealt with Biribiri aside the times Touma ran into her. Actually it does, there's a small arc in index 2 centred about kuroko and misaka without touma even being involved. For the rest i agree with ssjokg that you contradict yourself when you say that railgun is a standalone series. |
MyAmy said: No Ah finally he backs to that classic t shirt( which I love to get my hands on) |
CreationBreaker said: Tallon, I have seen you attempt multiple times to claim that Railgun is a stand alone series and here you are contradicting yourself. Railgun is not a stand alone series. I have never "claimed" it's a stand-alone series, I've simply stated the fact that Kamachi, his editor, his publisher, and the TV studio have all decided on - that Railgun is officially a stand-alone series. I'll say it again - if you have a problem with that then please take it up with the original creator and his team, not me. Along with that, you people don't seem to understand what stand-alone means. It does NOT mean you understand 100% of every single element in something, it means the series is 100% understandable on any relevant level to someone who has no prior knowledge of the material. Railgun is not only from Kamachi's own fucking decision a stand-alone series, but by DEFINITION a stand-alone series. This is not an opinion, this is not debatable, this is a solid fact that has nothing to do with my personal feelings about anything one way or the other. "B-b-b-but it wouldn't be as good" is your only argument and this does not undo the fact that it's still completely understandable and still OFFICIALLY a stand alone series. Stand Alone means something can be enjoyed without knowing anything about it, Railgun and Index both are officially and by definition stand alone series. Sorry, but that's the facts and it's not something you can debate with me on - I didn't create either and it wasn't my decision to make them such. The stories could be even MORE related and they'd still be stand alone series, because you do not NEED the information from one to fully enjoy and understand the relevant information to the other. Proven by the CREATOR HIMSELF as well as the fact that Railgun has a massive fanbase unconnected to Index (if you want to argue I'm wrong about that, please see the sales numbers and popularity charts - all of which show Index was average and then Railgun fucking blew it out of the water and brought in more fans to Index, yet is STILL the more popular of the two). If Railgun was not stand alone this would literally be impossible. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Once again can you provide any source for this fact?Till now you never did so it is YOUR claim.If you do I will kindly shut up.IF you want so much to make us accept it WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD wont you just post that fact?And nobody cares about the anime.The LN was VERY popular WAY before ANY of the adaptations and the Railgun manga started. And btw: TallonKarrde23 said: Hell, look back at season 1 of Railgun – “railgun-only” types ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW the full story, just like INDEX only fans aren’t supposed to. That’s the entire POINT of Railgun and Index having shared story arcs; you don’t get to know the full story until you deal with both. Like, for example, the Tree Diagram. From what I was spoiled on thanks to the godawful moderation on MAL, this is something that happened awhile back and NOT something Railgun fans will ever find out about if they don’t touch Index at all. It’s a HUGE aspect of the entire Raildex universe – the Tree Diagram is something brought up almost constantly throughout the series and in every serious arc, including this one. Yet, for Railgun fans, we only get to know it was destroyed ‘somehow at some point’. To learn more we have to go out of our way to watch or read Index or whatever. in contrast with this: TallonKarrde23 said: Along with that, you people don't seem to understand what stand-alone means. It does NOT mean you understand 100% of every single element in something, it means the series is 100% understandable on any relevant level to someone who has no prior knowledge of the material. So char development,evasion of DEM and plot holes etc is for you unnecessary and the reader(since Railgun is a manga first and then an anime)should just accept stuff that are happening just because. If a "cut down" version of a story(like Railgun only Sisters arc) is understandable and "ok" then we should just read the wiki since that is all we need.No need to know why Touma just decided to help,why the clones suddenly You are basically saying that the readers should just turn their brain off.Thanks but no thanks. You see, that is the point, the story isnt 100% understandable if you have events happening for the sake of happening.If you only care about what Misaka does then sure it is 100% understandable since she is ONE(and not only)of the chars that the series is for.That doesnt mean that the rest should just exist in it with no reason for their actions. Takuan_Soho said: TallonKarrde23 said: Along with that, you people don't seem to understand what stand-alone means. It does NOT mean you understand 100% of every single element in something, it means the series is 100% understandable on any relevant level to someone who has no prior knowledge of the material. This would also explain why they are reshowing the Touma parts again, far from being a cost saving device, it is actually required to keep the shows on a "Stand Alone" basis. You explained that very well, kudos. +1 "But the scenes are from Index,no Misaka POV etc etc." @Dusk252 somewhat ninja'd Railgun only readers dont even know who THAT change-of-heart girl is. I am sure that when Kamachi was creating Railgun he was thinking "Yeah this will be a great hit with Index haters,who I must please since Index doesnt sell enough, so I will also omit most of Kuroko's, and by extension Misaka's, char development who happen to be the main chars of the manga because who wants to know what is going on with them?" I am sure that he was thinking of people that never read Index when he made it./sarcasm |
ssjokgJul 3, 2013 2:58 PM
Dusk252 said: TallonKarrde23 said: *sigh* Giving up my little "lurker" status to answer this...CreationBreaker said: Tallon, I have seen you attempt multiple times to claim that Railgun is a stand alone series and here you are contradicting yourself. Railgun is not a stand alone series. I have never "claimed" it's a stand-alone series, I've simply stated the fact that Kamachi, his editor, his publisher, and the TV studio have all decided on - that Railgun is officially a stand-alone series. I'll say it again - if you have a problem with that then please take it up with the original creator and his team, not me. Anyway, this is the second time I hear you claim (yes, claim would be correct here, since you have shown us nothing to back it up) Kamachi is the one who decided Railgun is a stand-alone series. Now... when so many things hint otherwise, with the abundant connections and references between Index and Railgun (if you want me to name some, then go ahead and ask), of course me and other fans of BOTH series won't take that as a the fact you so confidently say it is unless you actually show us some proof of where that confidence comes from. Agreed here. I just got home and over the past 30-45 minutes, I went through all of the Afterwords from the Index LNs, all of the author's notes from the Railgun manga, and his transcribed interviews with regards to Railgun and he never states anything along the lines of Railgun being a stand-alone series in any of them. In fact, he even implies the opposite in this interview: Interview with Kamachi Kazuma and Fuyukawa Motoi from To Aru Majutsu no Index no Subete |
Ashen_MikoJul 3, 2013 3:21 PM
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CreationBreaker said: Oh man, that's a whole lot of trouble you went through, but nice thing you seem to have cleared most of my doubts, if any were left, that Tallon had no way of backing up his claims. Though I'm still opened to be proven wrong if he does come up with believable proof.Agreed here. I just got home and over the past 30-45 minutes, I went through all of the Afterwords from the Index LNs, all of the author's notes from the Railgun manga, and his transcribed interviews with regards to Railgun and he never states anything along the lines of Railgun being a stand-alone series in any of them. In fact, he even implies the opposite in this interview: Interview with Kamachi Kazuma and Fuyukawa Motoi from To Aru Majutsu no Index no Subete And yeah, that interview does imply the importance in the connection between both series, specially here: So yeah, thanks for searching that out.^^ |
Takuan_Soho said: Never said that stand alone is different.CreationBreaker said: Agreed here. I just got home and over the past 30-45 minutes, I went through all of the Afterwords from the Index LNs, all of the author's notes from the Railgun manga, and his transcribed interviews with regards to Railgun and he never states anything along the lines of Railgun being a stand-alone series in any of them. In fact, he even implies the opposite in this interview: Interview with Kamachi Kazuma and Fuyukawa Motoi from To Aru Majutsu no Index no Subete Fukuyawa: This manga came with a lot of passionate fans already attached, so I was—and still am—quite nervous about it. My goal is to be accepted at least a little bit by those fans. I also want to make the manga so people who know nothing of Index can still read it. Not that I’m saying I have a perfect understanding of it myself... Fukuyawa: As I said before, what I give the most thought to is how to get everything across to readers of this side story manga who have never read Index. If there are any difficult parts to the plot, I add or remove aspects of the plot to make it easier to understand. Kamijou in Chapter 3 is probably the biggest example of that. Granted this is from the illustrator not the writer, but Kamachi not only doesn't disagree but in thanking Fukuyawa for his input seems to be implying he also wants it to be stand alone for "those who haven't read the novels." The panties discussion was pretty funny. Edit: remember "stand alone" doesn't mean that it is different, only that someone can read Railgun and NOT have read Index. IF they really want it, they arent doing a very good job at it.Especially after the start of the Sisters arc and most importantly in the Daihaisei arc. And check out the part that Dusk252 posted. They dont try to separate the two series. |
Takuan_Soho said: ssjokg said: Never said that stand alone is different. IF they really want it, they arent doing a very good job at it.Especially after the start of the Sisters arc and most importantly in the Daihaisei arc. And check out the part that Dusk252 posted. They dont try to separate the two series. If they tried to "separate" then that means that they would be different. "Stand alone" doesn't mean separate. "Stand alone" means that you can watch one thing without having to watch the other thing. You can watch railgun without having watched index. Everything you need to know to "get" railgun is in railgun, if you never watched index you would still be able to "get" railgun. That is what "stand alone" means That railgun goes out of its way to re-show how Misaka met Touma, show several of her fights with him (that were only hinted at in index), and are showing her interactions with Touma during this arc shows that they meant Railgun to be "stand alone". Of course these scenes are interesting for those who have watched Index because they show the same thing from a different POV, but they also show that Railgun was meant to be a stand alone series. Things are a little different because people remember things differently. I think Touma's fight with accelerator could be very interesting to watch because this time it will be from Misaka's POV. But again, that we don't have to watch Index to understand what is happening in Railgun is why railgun is a "stand alone" series. Even if from here on out it duplicates EVERYTHING in Index, but from Misaka's pov and without needing to watch Index to understand it, it would still be a "stand alone" work. 1. We are talking about the source material that when reaches Index's Sister arc just jumps around with Touma appearing out of nowhere to help( and everything I posted above) and continues like this for the next arc. 2.Tallon refuses to accept the idea of the studio to make the anime a "stand alone" by using scenes that CAN make it a "stand alone" just because they are from Index and/or not Misaka. And the fight isnt from Misaka's POV. The point is that the studio USED material from Index and didnt just animate the manga as it is. |
Takuan_Soho said: I am talking about the Sisters arc.In the manga Touma just ssjokg said: 1. We are talking about the source material that when reaches Index's Sister arc just jumps around with Touma appearing out of nowhere to help( and everything I posted above) and continues like this for the next arc. 2.Tallon refuses to accept the idea of the studio to make the anime a "stand alone" by using scenes that CAN make it a "stand alone" just because they are from Index and/or not Misaka. And the fight isnt from Misaka's POV. The point is that the studio USED material from Index and didnt just animate the manga as it is. I only came in with post 87, and what Tallon said there I agree with. If he said something earlier that disagrees with what he wrote in 87, then I would disagree with him. Touma didn't "appear out of nowhere", in that railgun made sure to properly introduce him with the graviton bomber and with Misaka's sandwhip scene. I haven't read the manga, so I am not sure what the studio did or didn't do with the animation, but no matter what they did do, the show is still perfectly understandable without having index. Railgun S,for now,does a good job on making the anime a stand alone series without having to watch the same arc in Index because they added key scenes from Index. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=622535&show=60#msg23162553 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=622535&show=60#msg23180191 Repeatedly,Tallon refused to accept this because it "wasn't Railgun material". Tallon doesnt want a "stand alone" Railgun.He wants a Railgun that has nothing to do with Index. inb4 sophistry. |
ssjokgJul 3, 2013 5:05 PM
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