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Nidstang said:
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You know, in a way this whole thread has been about elitists.

Or specifically, its been about how little we care about them..


No, rather actually, it's been about a bunch of pricks wasting their time ranting to one another. (Me included)


Im just showing my disdain for elitists though.

Show, not tell, right?
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miereneronaile said:
Nidstang said:
miereneronaile said:
You know, in a way this whole thread has been about elitists.

Or specifically, its been about how little we care about them..


No, rather actually, it's been about a bunch of pricks wasting their time ranting to one another. (Me included)


Im just showing my disdain for elitists though.

Show, not tell, right?
That's not how anime works, sadly. :(
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miereneronaile said:
You know, in a way this whole thread has been about elitists.

Or specifically, its been about how little we care about them..


The irony is that despite people saying they don't care, this thread probably wouldn't have been made or at least gone on as long as it has if they truly didn't care. Minus the derailing of course... How did that happen again?


 
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Nidstang said:
I've never been banned. Good or bad?

You don't want to be banned.

trust me.
 
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gamer2710 said:
miereneronaile said:
Nidstang said:
miereneronaile said:
You know, in a way this whole thread has been about elitists.

Or specifically, its been about how little we care about them..


No, rather actually, it's been about a bunch of pricks wasting their time ranting to one another. (Me included)


Im just showing my disdain for elitists though.

Show, not tell, right?
That's not how anime works, sadly. :(


Im pretty sure at least a few anime do a good job of showing and not telling.
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Shrabster said:
miereneronaile said:
You know, in a way this whole thread has been about elitists.

Or specifically, its been about how little we care about them..


The irony is that despite people saying they don't care, this thread probably wouldn't have been made or at least gone as long if people didn't care. Minus the derailing of course, how did that happen again?


I think the sub vs dub debate?

Wasn't expecting that at all :S
 
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JustALEX said:
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I've never been banned. Good or bad?

You don't want to be banned.

trust me.


Speaking from experience huh.
 
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Nidstang said:
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I've never been banned. Good or bad?

You don't want to be banned.

trust me.


Speaking from experience huh.

Oh yeah!

I was once banned for almost a year.

God honest truth.
 
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LimeSlate said:
Shrabster said:
miereneronaile said:
You know, in a way this whole thread has been about elitists.

Or specifically, its been about how little we care about them..


The irony is that despite people saying they don't care, this thread probably wouldn't have been made or at least gone as long if people didn't care. Minus the derailing of course, how did that happen again?


I think the sub vs dub debate?

Wasn't expecting that at all :S
Yeah well that happens once in a while. It sucks that the actual thread dedicated to it didn't get anything from this.
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JustALEX said:
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I've never been banned. Good or bad?

You don't want to be banned.

trust me.


Speaking from experience huh.

Oh yeah!

I was once banned for almost a year.

God honest truth.

did you tried talking to any mod on the irc or just waited 6 months?
 
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did you tried talking to any mod on the irc or just waited 6 months?

Well, TBH, I was very busy with my last year of college at the time so I just forgot about this place, I didn't even bother with it.
 
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Shrabster said:
miereneronaile said:
You know, in a way this whole thread has been about elitists.

Or specifically, its been about how little we care about them..


The irony is that despite people saying they don't care, this thread probably wouldn't have been made or at least gone on as long as it has if they truly didn't care. Minus the derailing of course... How did that happen again?


back when the topic was elitists i said i didnt like sub only elitists and it snowballed from there
Just because you know how to use a torrent does not give you the god given right to pirate.

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JustALEX said:
renders said:
did you tried talking to any mod on the irc or just waited 6 months?

Well, TBH, I was very busy with my last year of college at the time so I just forgot about this place, I didn't even bother with it.


I guess it's good to get banned around the time you have exams lol.
 
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mattbenz99 said:
Shrabster said:
miereneronaile said:
You know, in a way this whole thread has been about elitists.

Or specifically, its been about how little we care about them..


The irony is that despite people saying they don't care, this thread probably wouldn't have been made or at least gone on as long as it has if they truly didn't care. Minus the derailing of course... How did that happen again?


back when the topic was elitists i said i didnt like sub only elitists and it snowballed from there

Not surprising if you're trying to argue with subpar points.

Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is.
 
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mattbenz99 said:
Shrabster said:
miereneronaile said:
You know, in a way this whole thread has been about elitists.

Or specifically, its been about how little we care about them..


The irony is that despite people saying they don't care, this thread probably wouldn't have been made or at least gone on as long as it has if they truly didn't care. Minus the derailing of course... How did that happen again?


back when the topic was elitists i said i didnt like sub only elitists and it snowballed from there
I honestly thought it was my post (Page 2)
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What, so I can shoot down everyone else that isn't elite? Not my style, dude. I'm not some sub elitist that bashes dubs and their watchers, and I'm not some dub-whoring maniac that calls sub watchers weeaboos either.
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Tavor where did you go?
 
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I give up.
 
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Nidstang said:
JustALEX said:
renders said:
did you tried talking to any mod on the irc or just waited 6 months?

Well, TBH, I was very busy with my last year of college at the time so I just forgot about this place, I didn't even bother with it.


I guess it's good to get banned around the time you have exams lol.

Haha YEAH!

I joined MAL back in 2008 but it wasn't until about 2010 that I became very active on here.

And this place was one of my biggest procrastinating distractions from school and other stuff in my personal life....

So in a weird way the ban actually helped me.

I came back late last year.....mostly because I'm so damn bored at my job and I'm even MORE addicted to the internet than I ever was before.
 
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I give up.


Another one bites the dust.
 
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Tavor where did you go?

Seems like I drowned in the sea of responses on the last page.
Or that my puns are just bad.

Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is.
 
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Tavor said:
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Tavor where did you go?

Seems like I drowned in the sea of responses on the last page.
Or that my puns are just bad.
I thought it was quite funny. Don't expect him to get it though, he's probably writing up a long response to that post.

EDIT: I was right, he didn't get it.
 
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Tavor said:
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Shrabster said:
miereneronaile said:
You know, in a way this whole thread has been about elitists.

Or specifically, its been about how little we care about them..


The irony is that despite people saying they don't care, this thread probably wouldn't have been made or at least gone on as long as it has if they truly didn't care. Minus the derailing of course... How did that happen again?


back when the topic was elitists i said i didnt like sub only elitists and it snowballed from there

Not surprising if you're trying to argue with subpar points.


i wasnt arguing anything all i said was i hate it when people say they are a better anime fan because they watch the sub version of a show
Just because you know how to use a torrent does not give you the god given right to pirate.

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gamer2710 said:
mattbenz99 said:
Shrabster said:
miereneronaile said:
You know, in a way this whole thread has been about elitists.

Or specifically, its been about how little we care about them..


The irony is that despite people saying they don't care, this thread probably wouldn't have been made or at least gone on as long as it has if they truly didn't care. Minus the derailing of course... How did that happen again?


back when the topic was elitists i said i didnt like sub only elitists and it snowballed from there
I honestly thought it was my post (Page 2)
gamer2710 said:
What, so I can shoot down everyone else that isn't elite? Not my style, dude. I'm not some sub elitist that bashes dubs and their watchers, and I'm not some dub-whoring maniac that calls sub watchers weeaboos either.


i dont know maybe but i just know that really soon after my post shit hit the fan
Just because you know how to use a torrent does not give you the god given right to pirate.

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Tavor said:
Not surprising if you're trying to argue with subpar points.




I see what you did you there...


 
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Tavor said:
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Tavor where did you go?

Seems like I drowned in the sea of responses on the last page.
Or that my puns are just bad.
I thought it was quite funny. Don't expect him to get it though, he's probably writing up a long response to that post.

EDIT: I was right, he didn't get it.


Are you refering to me? I have bad internet connection mind you lol.
 
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Nidstang said:
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Tavor said:
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Tavor where did you go?

Seems like I drowned in the sea of responses on the last page.
Or that my puns are just bad.
I thought it was quite funny. Don't expect him to get it though, he's probably writing up a long response to that post.

EDIT: I was right, he didn't get it.


Are you refering to me? I have bad internet connection mind you lol.
No I'm referring to mattbenz. Tavor said "Not surprising if you're trying to argue with subpar points."
 
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IntroverTurtle said:
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IntroverTurtle said:
Tavor said:
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Tavor where did you go?

Seems like I drowned in the sea of responses on the last page.
Or that my puns are just bad.
I thought it was quite funny. Don't expect him to get it though, he's probably writing up a long response to that post.

EDIT: I was right, he didn't get it.


Are you refering to me? I have bad internet connection mind you lol.
No I'm referring to mattbenz. Tavor said "Not surprising if you're trying to argue with subpar points."


Ah, sorry then.
 
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@IntroverTurtle Hey man, I just noticed you're about to make it to 10K!

Omedetou!
 
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@IntroverTurtle Hey man, I just noticed you're about to make it to 10K!

Omedetou!
Thank you, depending on the threads, I could reach it in a couple of days.
 
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I leave for a few hours and we're already at 30+ pages.
 
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@IntroverTurtle Hey man, I just noticed you're about to make it to 10K!

Omedetou!
Thank you, depending on the threads, I could reach it in a couple of days.


I hope we get another one of these threads.
 
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This thread is still going on, huh?
I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives.

 
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I leave for a few hours and we're already at 30+ pages.


I missed out.
 
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Nidstang said:
IntroverTurtle said:
JustALEX said:
@IntroverTurtle Hey man, I just noticed you're about to make it to 10K!

Omedetou!
Thank you, depending on the threads, I could reach it in a couple of days.


I hope we get another one of these threads.
Yes that would definitely make it rise.

I also just realized that there could be elitists that take pride in their post count. So not neccasarily about which anime they watch, but in how many posts or how popular they are on an anime forum.
 
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Tavor said:
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Tavor where did you go?

Seems like I drowned in the sea of responses on the last page.
Or that my puns are just bad.

All the responses helped push me away from this thread myself.
Everything is moving so fast.
Reminds me of the Naruto thread back on April Fools day.
Amazing that this thread hasn't been locked yet.
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What, so I can shoot down everyone else that isn't elite? Not my style, dude. I'm not some sub elitist that bashes dubs and their watchers, and I'm not some dub-whoring maniac that calls sub watchers weeaboos either.

I like this quote.
 
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so...is aku no hana as bad as ppl say it is?
 
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Elitist complaining about elitist.
 
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I just noticed that I haven't even responded to the topic of this thread...

Yeah...elitism sucks.
 
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Hurr
 
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so...is aku no hana as bad as ppl say it is?
It's kinda bad, but still better than everything in your favourites :3.
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In terms of anime fans, I think there are two types of "elitists". The first type could be considered the over-zealous fanatical individuals. The type who will defend (even aggressively) their favorite animes, from even the slightest attempt at a critique. Even bashing other individual's favorites, simply because they aren't several hundred episodes long. Or bashing an anime because it isn't as popular as theirs is.

Then there are the type of elitists which could be considered fictional themselves (as I haven't come across any that I know of) and also a type of person I would enjoy having a conversation with if I came across. They are the individuals who enjoy talking about the good and the bad of a series, taking a rational neutral stance when their favorite anime is examined and the mistakes brought to light. This type of person is a really good sport, as when they'll respond with comical comments, for example saying "Hah, you know, that's a good point! They could have made that scene better!"

Anyway I've come across a lot of individuals who fit in the first category and who make posting in forums feel more like walking through a mine field.

Where as the other type, well, I'd be nice build some friendships with anime fans. But not unless they can handle their favorite animes being criticized. As well as offering rational critiques them selves. Heck I criticize my favorite animes myself.
 
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wisetaner said:
In terms of anime fans, I think there are two types of "elitists". The first type could be considered the over-zealous fanatical individuals. The type who will defend (even aggressively) their favorite animes, from even the slightest attempt at a critique. Even bashing other individual's favorites, simply because they aren't several hundred episodes long. Or bashing an anime because it isn't as popular as theirs is.

Then there are the type of elitists which could be considered fictional themselves (as I haven't come across any that I know of) and also a type of person I would enjoy having a conversation with if I came across. They are the individuals who enjoy talking about the good and the bad of a series, taking a rational neutral stance when their favorite anime is examined and the mistakes brought to light. This type of person is a really good sport, as when they'll respond with comical comments, for example saying "Hah, you know, that's a good point! They could have made that scene better!"

Anyway I've come across a lot of individuals who fit in the first category and who make posting in forums feel more like walking through a mine field.

Where as the other type, well, I'd be nice build some friendships with anime fans. But not unless they can handle their favorite animes being criticized. As well as offering rational critiques them selves. Heck I criticize my favorite animes myself.

True man,none anime is perfect.People shouldn't be so serious about it.
It's insane how awesome Fate/Zero is.
 
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Elitist = anyone who insults anything I like

The internet is doing bad things to the English language.
 
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Here's the thing. 3 people are in an anime club, watching the same anime, and afterwards there is expected to be a discussion. The first episode isn't even through yet when one of them, from here forth known as John, rolls his eyes and exclaims, "I can't take this any more. The characters are cliche archetypes, the plot is contrived. I can't believe the motivations of any of these characters. It feels as if they are caricature puppets and the director is pulling the strings.

The second person, a woman that shall be known as Mary, has a glint in her eyes, "What are you, a critic? Just watch and enjoy the anime."

John replies, "I simply can't enjoy an anime that's this badly made.

At this point the third person, Sam, seeks mediation. "John, I know what you mean, but despite its flaws, the series seem to be fun, so there is an enjoyment factor. I like it."

"That's surprising," says John, "So what do you like about it specifically?"

"Well, I just enjoy it. I like the anime. You know when you rate an anime there is the plot, the characters, etc., and then there is how much you enjoy --"

"You can't just like the anime," John interjects.

Sam appears miffed. "Of course I can! It's just my opinion. Everyone has them."

"I understand that it's an opinion," replies John, "but even opinion is informed by something you perceive. It's the plot, the characters, etc., that cause you to enjoy something. They're not separate. Rating an anime based on enjoyment is like tautology, like saying 'I like it because I like it'. That's not a real reason."

Mary, who seems left out of the conversation, finds this opportunity to jump in. "You seem to be pretty critical when it comes to anime, John. Why do you still watch anime when you hate it so much? When you rate something you watch so lowly, you're just wasting your life."

John replies, "Well, Mary, it's not that I hate anime, but that I like anime, and because I like anime so much I rate it lower."

Mary cuts in, "That makes no logical sense."

"It makes perfect sense.When I watch something, I'm engaged with the medium. The creators of the show attempt to capture my imagination, and they do it by creating this story and all the details -- these details are not just random. The world that they create, the trees, the lakes, the mansions, the knights, the superpowers, they all draw me into this cohesive world. So if the characters' actions do not make sense, then that's the authors failing to engage --"

"You're just trying to put everyone in your shoes. Not every character thinks the way y--"

"Listen." John continues, "Of course fictional characters have their own personalities, intelligence, wisdom, and all that. And I know that the fictional universe doesn't operate on the same physics as the real world. But it must be believable through consistency. A wily, calculating character must stay in character, he can't just, for example, all of a sudden forget all about the bad guys. It goes against his very character. And if he does, then the rest of the fictional world should acknowledge that it happens, and the author should eventually divulge a good reason for the occurrence.

"I rate anime, not objectively, but I take into account all the aspects of the fictional world, and because I'm constantly thinking while I'm watching it, because I am critical when I see a flaw --but I also recognize when anime is done right-- that shows that I like anime. I rate using the entire scale, because if you don't know what you don't like, how can you possibly know what you do like? But I digress..." John turns to Sam and persists, "What did you like about the show so much that you were willing to give it a 10, the maxim score?"

Sam replies, "Like I said, I enjoyed it. It's my opinion. Take it or leave it. You have your opinions, I have mine. You choose to rate anime based on all these factors, I rate based on how much I emotionally enjoy it. That's it. Emotion isn't logical."

John retorts, "So since you rely wholly on emotion, you don't actually know why you like anime? You don't know what caused you to enjoy it? Isn't your opinion a bit random, then, it's like saying, 'I like chocolate but I don't know why.'"

At this point, Sam is a bit flustered. He genuinely likes anime, but outside of English class in school, he has never applied critical thinking to anything that he does. The anime characters have emotions, so he emphasizes with their plight. To follow a story is to emphasize with its characters, so he doesn't question it. He takes a moment to think about how to retaliate. "So John, you don't get this, do you? I don't need to express how much I like something to like it. I don't talk about how much I like chocolate, I just enjoy it. And besides, you're just judging anime according to your own subjective standards. Just because you think the characters are unrealistic doesn't mean that they actually are. I'm pretty sure the authors know more about their characters than you do, so let the authors tell it how they want. It's not like you're a pro reviewer or some shit."

John smirks, "Of course my criticisms are subjective, I never said otherwise. But at least I can describe somewhat what it is that I don't like about something. If you can't put to words why something is better, then how do you even know whether your opinions mean anything? It could just be your mood at the time, not the actual show. Opinions that cannot be defended by reasoning are meaningless. I'm not saying that it discredits your feelings as a person, but that if you can't conceive why you like something, it's odd to even logically conclude that you like it. You should rather say that you feel good watching it, because you don't actually have a defensible position about why the anime is good."

Mary, once again with her excellent timing, says, "Everyone is equal, y'know. Respect goes both ways. You can't say that your opinions is better than anyone else' opinions."

John sighs, "No Mary, not all opinions are equal. For example, if you opine that the world was created in 6,000 years, we have good scientific evidence that it is not -- built atop the same principles that your mother's doctor use to give her a mammogram. An opinion that is not supported by reasoning is worth less.

Sam chimes in, "Yeah. My opinions are as worthy as yours. What are you, some kind of an elitist? You think you're better as a person just because you like certain anime and I don't? Besides, now you think liking anime is the same thing as believing in Creationism. How low can you fall?"

"What? Look. It was an analogy to show that opinions must be supported by reason. And I don't think I'm a better person because I like different anime or anything like that, it's just that my opinions are worth more because I'm not offended by thought -- because I engage the medium with both my mind and my emotions. Because I respect the authors enough to hold them to contradicting or inconsistent concepts. As someone that doesn't watch anime critically, I think it's fair to say you aren't engaged in it as much as I am, and you don't respect the integrity of the art form."

"OH MY GOD >>>> FUCKING ELITISTS." (That was Mary.)

tl;dr


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Fucking Mary.
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Wait, so you have to think long and hard about modern entertainment to truly enjoy it? John, I thought the whole point of modern entertainment was to turn your brain off somewhat and absorb the content.
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What in God's name is "modern entertainment?"
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Wait, so you have to think long and hard about modern entertainment to truly enjoy it? John, I thought the whole point of modern entertainment was to turn your brain off somewhat and absorb the content.

How do you turn off your brain and absorb content at the same time?

Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is.
 
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What in God's name is "modern entertainment?"
 
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Wait, so you have to think long and hard about modern entertainment to truly enjoy it? John, I thought the whole point of modern entertainment was to turn your brain off somewhat and absorb the content.

How do you turn off your brain and absorb content at the same time?
I said somewhat. I don't mean sit there like brain dead lazy-ass, I mean actually watching something shouldn't require so much critical/analytical thinking.
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