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Takuan_Soho said: This would explain why they were willing to attempt their ambush of the Hideauze, why they would risk their fleet in a desperate frontal attack against their entrenched foe. This interpretation would explain everything, the only thing we need to do to make it non-contradictory is to think that the Alliance bent the truth a little to present Avalon as a spaceship (which is what the troops would understand, they couldn't conceive a planet until they reached one), and that it was completed by the Alliance. We will find out more next episode. Krugel is older than the soldiers who fought, and since he isn't one of the silver haired, purple eyed group, he probably is the one who knows all the Alliance's secrets (he was the one who said that if the attacked failed, the war was over). There will be a few more twists that easily could destroy this theory. I just hope they resolve the complications instead of increasing them. I'm still convinced that a space station called Avalon exists, and that it's where the CU leadership is based. Plus I don't really see the point in telling such fibs if they're ultimately planning to return to Earth, where everything will come out into the open. Kugel has the same color hair; you might have mistaken it for a different color because the lighting kept changing. If you look at 10:15 in EP1, you'll see both Ledo and Kugel in the same frame with the same hair color. His eye color seems a little more dubious however... perhaps a slightly darker shade of red but I honestly can't tell. |
| Did anyone notice that in the last episode, the Evolvers/Hideauze were portrayed as pro-science/technology and the Alliance were portrayed as a regressive society before showing them in diametrically different lights this episode? I wonder if that means anything. I liked the Alliance a lot more after this episode, and, I hope the series doesn't turn in a Luddite direction. |
| This was an interesting episode. So the anti-Evolvers want to maintain the limitations of humanity in order to keep advancing? unlike the evolvers whom stop their advances after achieving the ultimate form. So is this like "Science with no humanity is a sin" concept? I'm curious about Kugal and the cult gathered about him, they obviously are anti Hideauze themselves, and I have a feeling Kugal and Ledo won't be on the same page. Will Ledo still be skeptical about his mission? |
| I just want to note that Ledo finally called the Alliance out for being a bunch of brainwashers. Homey's turning into a rebel. |
| Let's go bowling. |
Spirai said: Cronosmu said: Spirai said: I mean, firstly, why the hell would you broadcast a threatening "we got the treasure!" message to a bunch of ships To establish superiority. "We've killed all the squids (yes, those things people from this world used to fear of), so don't mess with us". And that is still an idiotic move because of reasons A through D. Pinion is not fit to be a leader of any sorts. He is not meant to be showed as a capable leader or much of a heavy thinker but his actions are the actions of a man feeling unbeatable. Is not that strange at all, people get carried away when they think they are mini-Gods. niaxato said: skudoops said: niaxato said: Kinda meh episode for me. Funny how everyone just lets Pinion run everything, the guy seems to have lost his mind. Firing on any ship that gets close to them, looks like he is setting himself up to die soon im thinking. Ledo turned into an emo bitch, the solider needs to buck up or self denote himself inside chamber. Chambers speech at the end was the only highlight of the episode other than Kugel being on earth as well. Hope its last couple episodes can finish strong somehow. Most disappointing series for me this year so far. -Pinion was the person who even came up with the plan go on the expedition, of course he runs everything. Also realize that the reason Pinion did what he did was to create a reputation of invincibility so no one would try to fight them. -Of course ledo was in shock, he's was just killing "humans" and "human" babies by the dozens. Being brought up thinking that the hideauze was just some beast that threatened humanity, it would obviously be quite the shock to find out the truth and obviously he was re-evaluating himself and his mission at that point. -Chamber's speech was great and Kugel being on earth was unexpected, I agree with you there. I'm surprised this is your most disappointing series, other than the ridiculous fanservice eps I am enjoying it. I realize pinion was running salvage operation, but he is calling shots like he is commander of the fleet. Also, who discovers fantastic treasure, broadcasts it to the entire world, then says if you come near us you die and no one had a problem with that? These are the same people who were oh so sad Ledo killed the pirates who were going to rape and pillage them, now they have no problems firing on their own people? Whatever I guess, just seems like Pinion took a real dark turn a little to fast, but thats just me. As far as Ledo goes, he just sulks and doesnt say a word of what he has learned, not sure if I needed a whole episode of that, especially when there is only 2 left, but oh well. First you say no one had a problem with his actions and yet the show showed us the exact opposite. So what where you watching? Then you speak about the nice people that don't want to hurt even their enemies and you forget that the most peaceful type stayed back in Gargantia and the more agressive among them where the ones who followed Pinion. Spirai said: Antanaru said: Ledo started spouting same hippie bullshit as some people on this forum. It was kind of sad the sole voice of reason came from an AI. Next episodes should be really intriguing. This series has a chance to be the best in this season. "Hippie bullshit"? Ledo just had a melt-down because he doesn't understand why he's fighting his own species just because the two disagree how humans should live and some idiotic shallow 'restoring our dignity' that Chamber preached. If anyone was the moronic one, it's whatever's been programmed into Chamber. But they ain't humans. He isn't fighting his own species. Their DNA probably has less similarity than animals have with us by now. Rebas said: Did anyone notice that in the last episode, the Evolvers/Hideauze were portrayed as pro-science/technology and the Alliance were portrayed as a regressive society before showing them in diametrically different lights this episode? I wonder if that means anything. I liked the Alliance a lot more after this episode, and, I hope the series doesn't turn in a Luddite direction. The Alliance wasn't regressive, it was just more fearful minded about some paths science can be used for. As i see it the Evolvers let science dictate them and become whatever their science wanted them to be including losing the ability to think as humans. They surrented to their own creations. The Alliance wanted to dictate it's science and not allow it to alter their image of self. |
MonadJun 13, 2013 10:25 AM
| Suddenly Pinion shows his true colors. This show needed more SOL episodes. |
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itsvero said: My Lord, Pinion is such a douchebag. Yeah my thoughts exactly, he sure is confident considering without Ledo he wouldn't be where he is now. Awesome episode and the ending leaves me wondering if Kugel is going to have something to do with the Hideauze. |
| If strength is justice, then is powerlessness a crime? |
| The thought has been bothering me since last episode, but I wonder if the retrieval of the ancient technology will lead to a new war on Earth. Pinion already seems extremely over confident and power hungry and he may end up taking his ambitions to new extremes. Getting a bad feeling that this won't end well. |
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Monad said: But they ain't humans. He isn't fighting his own species. Their DNA probably has less similarity than animals have with us by now. We don't know about that yet. It's too early to make conclusions. There are still a few episodes left. Also even if they were aliens it doesn't necessarily auto-justify a neverending war against each other. BOTH the CU and the Evolvers are to blame in this case. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| I'm curious who the cult around the Colonel is and if he wants Ledo to join him or will try to fight/kill him when he learns how Ledo has changed... Very interesting episode, though not as action packed as the previous one it might've been even better with Chamber explaining the situation between Humankind and the Hideauze's and their fundamental differences about how they advance in life. Good to see Ledo think for himself too, and not just accept everything the Alliance told him. |
Zel_Ezl said: What? Did I miss something? I though Alliance is fighting with squid like monsters created from humans couple of centuries ago, not other humans...The last episode was very depressing. It hurts my feeling. Humans vs. Humans. |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
Antanaru said: Zel_Ezl said: What? Did I miss something? I though Alliance is fighting with squid like monsters created from humans couple of centuries ago, not other humans...The last episode was very depressing. It hurts my feeling. Humans vs. Humans. It's a human-made tragedy. They both originated from humans. Both sides are to blame for this never-ending war. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| I hope Ledo vs Krugel for next episode...hahaha lol |
| Excellent episode. The situation Ledo is in really has no true solution. And now Kugel is there. Has he brought galactic war to Gargantia? Is there some sort of option to bring the peace to the galaxy? One thing is certain though - Pinion is jerk. I can't believe how somone like him can command the fleet. |
| Oh dear...Kugel is back and he has an Anti-Hideauze cult...this is going to get bad. |
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| shits bout to get real next ep. |
| Whoa, Ledo's superior is back in black - with a cult of his own. Okay, maybe I wasn't so surprised about his superior officer landing on Earth like him. That's what I get for accidentally spoiling myself. Now that he's appeared, I guess Ledo no longer has independent operational command as per the Alliance's rules and regulations (and most military organizations). I wonder what he'd say about the subversive footage Ledo has discovered. |
| Can't stop. Must continue. Best single episode of any anime this season. So far, anyway. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| Wow... This Anime is amazing, I have to say. How the hell do they want to end this in 3 episodes? |
| "Justice Never Dies!" - Kenji Endou, 20th century Boys |
| I think that Kugel joined the pirates or something, I'm pretty sure that this won't be a friendly encounter... GodlyKyon said: Wow... This Anime is amazing, I have to say. How the hell do they want to end this in 3 episodes? A second season or everybody dies. |
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| I want to punch Pinion..don't see what he's doing ending good. Kugel! I kinda thought at the beginning of the series he might show up alive, but not this way :O |
| Pinion thinks like a kid; he's so foolish. It looks like his colonel came after Ledo! How is he ever going to convince him of what he saw? |
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| Lol was eating while realizing that he killed semi humans and spit :p and could it be possible that |
| Shits about to go down! |
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| So good! Kugel's back with an anti-Hideauze cult, Pinion's thinking of making his own powerful fleet and Ledo doesn't have a clue what to do. |
| Damn it's getting really dark and has a depressive atmosphere all around it! But that ending sure was interesting, so Kugel also made it to earth well that's pretty convenient I really wonder what will happen next! |
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| Wow. How the hell is this going to end...??? |
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| To be honest, (guess I might be the only one) I disagree with much of Chamber's justification. I'm not saying that the Hideuze aren't still the enemy, but it seems to me like Ledo's side was the one who has it wrong. Assuming they were the Union from Earth, they were apparently the warmongers in the past, and the ones who struck first blood. If not for that there would be no reason for the war. Like any war, both sides are pretty much in the wrong, and having differing opinions is a retarded reason for a war... in an infinitely vast universe, you'd think they would have enough space to completely ignore each other, and just live happily in their own ways. Of course, I'm sure humanity would eventually fight amongst themselves again either way. But I suppose this makes the series better, since it's how humans actually act. On another note, I'm honestly not really sure how to view Pinion. I don't like what he's doing now, but he seems like he'd make a good friend, but currently I guess he's just blinded by a need for revenge. He kinda reminds me of Wakka from Final Fantasy X... his personality, appearance, and his past / convictions as well... even his tone of voice somehow sounds similar. Not to mention he lives on a water planet. Bobjones said: So you're saying that because all wars are the same, simply learning a truth of this magnitude is no reason to want to stop slaughtering humans? It's not just his upbringing, anyone with any form of compassion should feel what he felt there, no matter the conclusion said person comes to. That's pretty callous to say that simply because he's a soldier he should just mindlessly continue to kill other humans. What's the problem? Humans have been killing each other in the name of pillaging, territory, and, to a lesser extent, ideals since dawn of mankind. If anything, one side looking like deepsea animals should make things easier. Yeah yeah, I know; given Ledo's upbringing and what he's been told all his life (that the meaning of the war was to save humanity), his reaction is understandable but I'm just saying, its really no different from any other war. "Soldiers" are human beings as well. And yes in pretty much every war the soldiers are lied to to make them believe that what they're doing is for the good of humanity. Perhaps it's just being gullible, but when you're raised that way no other thought would really cross your mind. If you take, for one example, Japan when America struck back at them... many Japanese were completely devastated when Americans actually treated those they captured with decency, when they were brainwashed into believing that Americans were like the Hideuze... mindless monsters who kill and mutilate they're victims. |
HalibelTheEspadaSep 11, 2013 2:33 AM
| Humans are just destined to fight amongst themselves... I liked Chamber's explanation. Ledo has it pretty tough though, I feel sad for him :/ Should have guessed that Kugel might be alive. And of course he had to meet a bunch of probably whalesquid-haters. I'm not surprised that they probably worship him as some kind of a god/messiah who will destroy the whalesquids for them. I'm expecting some nice mecha vs mecha action. I have a fear though that Kugel might be able to overwrite Chamber's orders due to his superior authority compared to Ledo's. |
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| To me it looks like Pinion is becoming more and more of a douchbag. It looks like to me he'll become a villain or something. Kugel is back and alone? I couldn't tell if there were more other people than just him. Ledo having so many conflictions. Is he gonna go back to the Galatic Alliance and continue to kill more Hideuze or stay? Great episode! |
| Pirates are not human. |
| Honobono Log - best slice of life short -------------------------------------------- most kawaii loli overlord ---------------------------- Donquixote Doflamingo AMV - Control |
| wut is going on the twist are real!! |
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| wat. Even if the colonel survived the battle in ep1, the wormhole was shut down when Ledo passed through.. anyway, it seems this show is nearing the climax. |
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| This series is awesome, Really enjoyed what I have watched thus far. Interesting development these last 2 episodes its hard to believe that the Hideuze are actually humans or were humans its completely changed everything. |
| Nice twist, didn't expect that. This anime's proved that it can indeed get good during both serious and SoL moments. |
| I never liked Pinion, now I know again why. So Kugel is also alive, I assume there will be a fight between him and Ledo about fighting those squids or not. Maybe Ledo and Gargantia vs Kugel and Pinion? |
| Ledo going through after effects of committing genocide |
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| Commiting mass genocide is fine if they evol;ved from Humans |
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