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Jun 6, 2013 1:55 PM
#1
Think about it. The Irish Revolution had one of the best soundtracks ever. We have Latin American troubadours, punk rock, and virtually every good protest song ever written. When was the last time you heard a conservative rock band that actually rocked? White supremacist music that wasn't complete shite? Is there any quality christian music? I don't mean to conflate conservatism with rightism, but the two are often related. It seems that most all politically oriented music that is worth a dime, is preformed/written by left-wing musicians. Bruce Springsteen, Dead Kennedys, Pearl Jam, 2pac, John Lennon, Rage Against The Machine, the list goes on. The only right-wing musicians that aren't completely awful that I can think of right now are Marilyn Manson and Metallica. I've heard people give different explanations: ''People on the right are too busy with their jobs'', ''Far rightists are too mentally weak to write any appealing melodies/lyrics'', ''Conservatism isn't cool'' etc. What's your take on it? Is there any right-wing music that you enjoy listening to? |
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Jun 6, 2013 1:59 PM
#2
Maybe because we disassociate ourselves from the right (assuming we're "left-minded"), so any "good" music that comes out, we ignore. Or, you know, I just don't associate my music with what political leanings they have. |
Jun 6, 2013 2:00 PM
#3
Yeah, the left sure has good music. I enjoy listening to left wing rap stars talk about the same shit they've talked about for 30 years. |
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Jun 6, 2013 2:05 PM
#4
MellowJello said: Or, you know, I just don't associate my music with what political leanings they have. Nope, but it obviously affects the end product, and the examples I gave include a lot of social commentary from a left-wing perspective. My question was why the right-wing equivalent seems to be comparatively lacking in perceived quality and popularity. |
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Jun 6, 2013 2:21 PM
#5
Was Live a christian band? there was something religious about them. Throwing copper will always be up with my favorites. I'd say conservative view points don't tend to inspire good music as they tend to be about preservation, the more liberal, progressive or libertarian inspired songs have something to appose, it's more a struggle toward an ideal rather than an attempt at protecting something already established, doesn't make for anything all that compelling. |
Jun 6, 2013 2:33 PM
#6
QueenJenny said: The only right-wing musicians that aren't completely awful that I can think of right now are Marilyn Manson and Metallica. Wait, what? Marilyn Manson is right wing? |
Jun 6, 2013 2:34 PM
#7
JustALEX said: Wait, what? Marilyn Manson is right wing? Yes, he's a republican. I was shocked too. |
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Jun 6, 2013 2:34 PM
#8
Does Country count? I'm not that into it, but I enjoy a bit of it every now and then. |
Jun 6, 2013 2:35 PM
#9
MoonageDaydream said: Does Country count? I'm not that into it, but I enjoy a bit of it every now and then. We're also forgetting Ted Nugent. I tried to find some good RAC but alas, I could not. |
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Jun 6, 2013 2:35 PM
#10
QueenJenny said: JustALEX said: Wait, what? Marilyn Manson is right wing? Yes, he's a republican. I was shocked too. 0_o |
Jun 6, 2013 2:38 PM
#11
MoonageDaydream said: Does Country count? I'm not that into it, but I enjoy a bit of it every now and then. I guess you could call it that. Country music often espouses things like patriotism. Even though it isn't really my thing, I enjoy Johnny Cash a lot. Though he was largely apolitical he was against things like the war in Vietnam and capital punishment. |
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Jun 6, 2013 2:47 PM
#12
If by right u mean the members are right wing, then there are plenty. ZZ Top Lynyrd Skynyrd Bob Seger Kid Rock Pantera Ted Nugent Dave Mustaine c.w. mccall Charlie Daniels Metallica and you say that Manson is too but really, the spirit of rock n roll is rebellion, not being conservative, "for the corporations", etc. There are a lot of country rock musicians who are right wing though i dont really give a damn about a musician's views though. i just care about the music. |
RandomChampionJun 6, 2013 2:51 PM
Jun 6, 2013 2:51 PM
#13
RandomChampion said: If by right u mean the members are right wing, then there are plenty. ZZ Top Lynyrd Skynyrd Bob Seger Kid Rock Pantera Ted Nugent Dave Mustaine c.w. mccall Charlie Daniels Metallica and you say that Manson is too but really, the spirit of rock n roll is rebellion, not being conservative, "for the corporations", etc. ''Good'' music. jk though, thanks for giving some examples. I don't think Manson's political views are much reflected in his music however. He's always been very anti-authoritarian and critical of religion, and I still have trouble wrapping my mind around him being a republican. |
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Jun 6, 2013 2:55 PM
#14
Umm I don't want to say that this has any indication of who has the superior political views cause that be brash and dogmatic but.... IT DOES. WE ROCK DEMOCRATIC-SOCAILISM 4 LIFE just kidding, it's kind of a wierd question to ask, I honestly don't know if political views has any corralation with musical talent but If i had to look into it I think it could be traced to how individuals think. I think it would be easier to break it down like this Left=Progressive/democratic/liberals... this means change (from an objective point of view. Excuse my generalizing) Change=different=creative=Music or something like that. Fight me Psychoanalysts |
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Jun 6, 2013 2:56 PM
#15
QueenJenny said: RandomChampion said: If by right u mean the members are right wing, then there are plenty. ZZ Top Lynyrd Skynyrd Bob Seger Kid Rock Pantera Ted Nugent Dave Mustaine c.w. mccall Charlie Daniels Metallica and you say that Manson is too but really, the spirit of rock n roll is rebellion, not being conservative, "for the corporations", etc. ''Good'' music. jk though, thanks for giving some examples. I don't think Manson's political views are much reflected in his music however. He's always been very anti-authoritarian and critical of religion, and I still have trouble wrapping my mind around him being a republican. All those guys except kid rock > springsteen, lennon, rage against the machine, 2pac, and is tied with peal jam maybe lol but yea, i dont care much for the lyrics or politics lol |
Jun 6, 2013 2:58 PM
#16
If you are saying that "Right" = Republican, then are you assuming all Artists that aren't "right" or in other words aren't Republican are then "left" which would mean Democrats? Cause to be honest the majority of Republicans and Democrats are rather moderate ... Also my favorite band is Led Zeppelin, which was from the UK ... so how does that fit in to Republican v. Democrat. |
Jun 6, 2013 3:07 PM
#17
Oh please, have you ever heard Nazi music Panzerlied, Die Braune Kompanie, Luftwaffe March, Triumph Marsch der NSDAP, they're fucking awesome. Although it's pretty hard to choose which one's best between the Krauts and the reds, Катюша and Марш танкистов are pretty awesome too. |
Jun 6, 2013 3:11 PM
#18
There's also the progg movement, which had tons of great bands with leftist political lyrics, though most people outside of scandinavia haven't heard of it. Pirating_Ninja said: If you are saying that "Right" = Republican, then are you assuming all Artists that aren't "right" or in other words aren't Republican are then "left" which would mean Democrats? Cause to be honest the majority of Republicans and Democrats are rather moderate ... Also my favorite band is Led Zeppelin, which was from the UK ... so how does that fit in to Republican v. Democrat. lol you're being quite americentric now. Punk for example didn't really start in the US. RandomChampion said: All those guys except kid rock > springsteen, lennon, rage against the machine, 2pac, and is tied with peal jam maybe lol ''Lynyrd Skynyrd> Dead Kennedys''. That's rich. |
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Jun 6, 2013 3:13 PM
#19
Baman said: Oh please, have you ever heard Nazi music Panzerlied, Die Braune Kompanie, Luftwaffe March, Triumph Marsch der NSDAP, they're fucking awesome. Sure, if you want to include army music. That's not really what I was thinking about though. What about Wagner and Strauss? Their works weren't political in the least, so should they count? |
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Jun 6, 2013 3:20 PM
#20
QueenJenny said: If it's not political or made to be affiliated with a political movement then why should they. Wagner was just unlucky enough to make stuff that Hitler-chan liked.Sure, if you want to include army music. That's not really what I was thinking about though. What about Wagner and Strauss? Their works weren't political in the least, so should they count? Imagine...if Hitler was born today, and was a girl, and was a fan of Justin Bieber... |
Jun 6, 2013 3:22 PM
#21
Wagner hated the Jews too. I think he'd be pleased to find out that someone like Hitler digged his music. |
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Jun 6, 2013 3:23 PM
#22
QueenJenny said: The Sex Pistols were predated by both Television and Richard Hell by two years, the Ramones by one year, and New York Dolls by four years.Punk for example didn't really start in the US. And Iggy Pop predated all of them by at least three years with The Stooges. |
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Jun 6, 2013 3:29 PM
#23
Negative-Travis said: QueenJenny said: The Sex Pistols were predated by both Television and Richard Hell by two years, the Ramones by one year, and New York Dolls by four years.Punk for example didn't really start in the US. And Iggy Pop predated all of them by at least three years with The Stooges. Neither Iggy nor NY Dolls were punk rock. Also, that's why I used the word ''really''. Maybe I should've just said that it doesn't have as strong associations with the US like country/rap does. |
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Jun 6, 2013 3:30 PM
#24
QueenJenny said: He's always been very anti-authoritarian and critical of religion, and I still have trouble wrapping my mind around him being a republican. believe it or not, republican does not necessarily mean radical christian ,redneck ,warmonger racist a lot of republicans are just people who believe in hard work, libertarian values, etc. they dont like police states, nanny states, welfare states, and war machines for example, many country singers are republicans, but look their songs they literally showing trucks smashing through police barricades lol |
Jun 6, 2013 3:33 PM
#25
RandomChampion said: a lot of republicans are just people who believe in hard work, libertarian values, etc. they dont like police states, nanny states, welfare states, and war machines The GOP isn't a libertarian party, which was my point, a lot of republican politicians are very authoritarian/religious. This is getting off topic though. |
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Jun 6, 2013 3:34 PM
#26
Leftist bands are better. 'Animals' is one of the best political albums I've ever heard. |
Jun 6, 2013 3:36 PM
#27
http://youtu.be/KxcP7TRY178 Soviet > German musics, but it's close. |
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Jun 6, 2013 3:38 PM
#28
QueenJenny said: RandomChampion said: a lot of republicans are just people who believe in hard work, libertarian values, etc. they dont like police states, nanny states, welfare states, and war machines The GOP isn't a libertarian party, which was my point, a lot of republican politicians are very authoritarian/religious. This is getting off topic though. actually it is more libertarian than the democratic party lol, and it is more towards the libertarian end of the spectrum in definition. |
Jun 6, 2013 3:40 PM
#29
While we're already discussing political anthems, L'Internationale is still as good as ever. As far as I know there's no right-wing anthem that's as all-encompassing. |
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Jun 6, 2013 3:42 PM
#30
RandomChampion said: QueenJenny said: RandomChampion said: a lot of republicans are just people who believe in hard work, libertarian values, etc. they dont like police states, nanny states, welfare states, and war machines The GOP isn't a libertarian party, which was my point, a lot of republican politicians are very authoritarian/religious. This is getting off topic though. actually it is more libertarian than the democratic party lol, and it is more towards the libertarian end of the spectrum in definition. At best, Republican party is marginally more libertarian than the Democratic party. There's no way to reconcile the military Keynesianism present in the Republican party with libertarianism. |
Jun 6, 2013 3:43 PM
#31
RandomChampion said: actually it is more libertarian than the democratic party lol, and it is more towards the libertarian end of the spectrum in definition. So? That doesn't change anything. |
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Jun 6, 2013 3:48 PM
#32
The closest youll get to libertarian will be found in the Republican Party, is what I was trying to say. Unfortunately, nobody wants a libertarian- like Republican Ron Paul in power, so that sucks. |
Jun 6, 2013 4:13 PM
#33
Captain-Hawkeye said: http://youtu.be/KxcP7TRY178 Soviet > German musics, but it's close. To be fair the five outnumber the three B's, the soviets had a better foundation, but yes, I agree. |
Jun 7, 2013 5:16 PM
#34
RandomChampion said: for example, many country singers are republicans, but look their songs I'm not very well vested in the world of country music, but I know that Tim McGray, Brad Paisley, and Willie Nelson are all democrats. Which side do you think overall has the best music though (mainly talking about music that's political in nature)? I can't think of any other genres that have strong political ties with the right (besides white power music). |
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Jun 7, 2013 7:31 PM
#35
RandomChampion said: QueenJenny said: He's always been very anti-authoritarian and critical of religion, and I still have trouble wrapping my mind around him being a republican. believe it or not, republican does not necessarily mean radical christian ,redneck ,warmonger racist a lot of republicans are just people who believe in hard work, libertarian values, etc. they dont like police states, nanny states, welfare states, and war machines for example, many country singers are republicans, but look their songs they literally showing trucks smashing through police barricades lol Correction- Once upon a time - ONCE UPON A TIME - Republican meant believing in hard work and libertarian values, now they're all just absolute nutcases. The party has no credibility anymore. |
Jun 7, 2013 7:55 PM
#36
I don't know about you but I happen to think Panzer Lied kicks ass. |
Jun 7, 2013 7:58 PM
#37
Jun 7, 2013 8:23 PM
#38
apatch3 said: RandomChampion said: QueenJenny said: He's always been very anti-authoritarian and critical of religion, and I still have trouble wrapping my mind around him being a republican. believe it or not, republican does not necessarily mean radical christian ,redneck ,warmonger racist a lot of republicans are just people who believe in hard work, libertarian values, etc. they dont like police states, nanny states, welfare states, and war machines for example, many country singers are republicans, but look their songs they literally showing trucks smashing through police barricades lol Correction- Once upon a time - ONCE UPON A TIME - Republican meant believing in hard work and libertarian values, now they're all just absolute nutcases. The party has no credibility anymore. I wouldn't call the Republican party libertarian and historically the Republican party supported protectionist policies since its founding. |
Jun 7, 2013 8:29 PM
#39
Rebas said: apatch3 said: RandomChampion said: QueenJenny said: He's always been very anti-authoritarian and critical of religion, and I still have trouble wrapping my mind around him being a republican. believe it or not, republican does not necessarily mean radical christian ,redneck ,warmonger racist a lot of republicans are just people who believe in hard work, libertarian values, etc. they dont like police states, nanny states, welfare states, and war machines for example, many country singers are republicans, but look their songs they literally showing trucks smashing through police barricades lol Correction- Once upon a time - ONCE UPON A TIME - Republican meant believing in hard work and libertarian values, now they're all just absolute nutcases. The party has no credibility anymore. I wouldn't call the Republican party libertarian and historically the Republican party supported protectionist policies since its founding. Republicans are silly. Let the gays do what they want, And pass some godamn restrictive laws on capitalism, crony-ass economy.... Also their music is silly. So I conclude that republicans are silly willys I will however say that in the past republicans have been more towards libertarian values... ABRAHAM LINCOLN |
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Jun 7, 2013 8:30 PM
#40
DingoBingo said: Rebas said: apatch3 said: RandomChampion said: QueenJenny said: He's always been very anti-authoritarian and critical of religion, and I still have trouble wrapping my mind around him being a republican. believe it or not, republican does not necessarily mean radical christian ,redneck ,warmonger racist a lot of republicans are just people who believe in hard work, libertarian values, etc. they dont like police states, nanny states, welfare states, and war machines for example, many country singers are republicans, but look their songs they literally showing trucks smashing through police barricades lol Correction- Once upon a time - ONCE UPON A TIME - Republican meant believing in hard work and libertarian values, now they're all just absolute nutcases. The party has no credibility anymore. I wouldn't call the Republican party libertarian and historically the Republican party supported protectionist policies since its founding. And pass some godamn restrictive laws on capitalism, crony-ass economy....s No. |
Jun 7, 2013 8:32 PM
#41
Spoiler any youtube videos. And yes, republicans are silly. |
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Jun 7, 2013 8:34 PM
#42
Jun 7, 2013 8:45 PM
#43
I like listening to Neo-Folk, which for whatever reason, the artists tend to have an image or lyrics leaning towards fascism. Some of the artists have a history which suggests their beliefs are genuine, whereas some other things suggest otherwise. Regardless, a few artists I like: Death in June Von Thronstahl Guttermouth |
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