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Jun 7, 2013 10:15 AM

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If you're not trolling i hope you realize how stupid you look in front of everybody in this forum right now but i shouldn't have said that cuz you're trolling.
But.. your username..

what about it, Toothbrush?
it's lovely. are you an angel?

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Jun 7, 2013 10:16 AM
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biitchstick said:
toothbrush said:
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If you're not trolling i hope you realize how stupid you look in front of everybody in this forum right now but i shouldn't have said that cuz you're trolling.
But.. your username..

what about it, Toothbrush?
it's lovely. are you an angel?

Be gentle.. i'm a toothbrush.
 
Jun 7, 2013 10:53 AM

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many Electronic Musicians use "Real Instruments"


That's an oxymoron

Nice use of misquoting ... Anyways try not to drown in your soup ... Just kidding, it isn't funny making fun of someone with Cerebral Palsy ... I wish you the best you gimped little man.
 
Jun 7, 2013 11:20 AM

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they make music don't they? - call 'em what you want.
 
Jun 7, 2013 7:15 PM

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People who use their computers to make electronic "music" aren't musicians.

Musicians play real musical instruments, not computers.


Explain this then


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Jun 7, 2013 7:29 PM

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Shimapan-chan said:
Captain-Hawkeye said:
People who use their computers to make electronic "music" aren't musicians.

Musicians play real musical instruments, not computers.


Explain this then




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Jun 8, 2013 8:16 AM

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someone tell me Talvin Singh's OK isn't the perfect marriage between traditional indian and mostly drum and bass isn't a masterpiece. Oh yah, he's the producer AND the Tabla player. oh my god he's not one but both? Not acquainted with Tabla? He's a master.
 
Jun 8, 2013 8:33 AM

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please give a couple min to take in tabla, indian flute, etc. Gorgeous.
 
Jun 8, 2013 9:00 AM

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Damn, everyone here is giving me a hard time. Keep it up, maybe he'll learn something.
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Jun 8, 2013 5:07 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMGTT99Y4Y

Not a musician by my standards, but good stuff compared to the dubstep stuff you kids listen to. Step up and get on my level.

Pirating_Ninja said:
Captain-Hawkeye said:
many Electronic Musicians use "Real Instruments"


That's an oxymoron

Nice use of misquoting ... Anyways try not to drown in your soup ... Just kidding, it isn't funny making fun of someone with Cerebral Palsy ... I wish you the best you gimped little man.


Since I have to break it down for you "electronic musician" is the oxymoron.
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Jun 8, 2013 7:27 PM
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There are quite a few Darkwave and Ambient/Dark Ambient bands I enjoy so I'll have to disagree.

I have no love for the majority of electronica though.
 
Jun 8, 2013 7:29 PM

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This thread is retarded.

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People who make electronic music aren't musicians.
>Music
>Musicians

Herp derp.
 
Jun 8, 2013 8:09 PM

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A Sampler and Synthesizer are considered instruments.




I hope you're trolling btw.
 
Jun 9, 2013 5:58 AM
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This thread is retarded.

OP said:
People who make electronic music aren't musicians.
>Music
>Musicians

Herp derp.


Using a macbook and some shitty software to make computer generated wubshit doesn't make you a musician. Read the thread.

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A Sampler and Synthesizer are considered instruments.




I hope you're trolling btw.


You get half a point.
"There is no more effective method of concealment than the broadest publicity."
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Jun 9, 2013 7:06 AM

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OP avoids squarepusher and talvin singh?
 
Jun 9, 2013 7:47 PM

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I feel this thread is insulting to M.A.S.H.
 
Jun 9, 2013 8:20 PM

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Keyboars and notes =/= playing a piano. Totally different things. Have you seen someone play a piano compared to someone using a keyboard for their computer "music"?
So a musician becomes not a musician just because the instrument has a power cord? OP must be a troll, or just retarded.
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Jun 9, 2013 8:33 PM
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Or maybe we're the retarded ones for giving this thread more attention than it ever deserved.

Hawkeye you clever motherfucker.

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Jun 9, 2013 9:13 PM

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Damn this is entertaining
 
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Or maybe we're the retarded ones for giving this thread more attention than it ever deserved.

Hawkeye you cleaver motherfucker.
He always was one wasn't he?
 
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Or maybe we're the retarded ones for giving this thread more attention than it ever deserved.

Hawkeye you cleaver motherfucker.
He always was one wasn't he?
I didn't realize cleavers have family members.
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Jun 9, 2013 10:42 PM
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katsucats said:
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Or maybe we're the retarded ones for giving this thread more attention than it ever deserved.

Hawkeye you cleaver motherfucker.
He always was one wasn't he?
I didn't realize cleavers have family members.

...!



I always do that! D:
 
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FacelessVixen said:
katsucats said:
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FacelessVixen said:
Or maybe we're the retarded ones for giving this thread more attention than it ever deserved.

Hawkeye you cleaver motherfucker.
He always was one wasn't he?
I didn't realize cleavers have family members.

...!



I always do that! D:
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Jun 12, 2013 7:47 AM

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Captain-Hawkeye said:
People who use their computers to make electronic "music" aren't musicians.

Musicians play real musical instruments, not computers.

Define "instruments".
 
Jun 12, 2013 11:38 AM
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If u make music then ur a musician.
U can make music with everything.
 
Jun 12, 2013 11:40 AM

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If u make music then ur a musician.
 
Jun 12, 2013 11:50 AM

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Ikr Computers are just fictional, they don't exist
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Jun 12, 2013 12:56 PM
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Chakaara said:
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People who use their computers to make electronic "music" aren't musicians.

Musicians play real musical instruments, not computers.

Define "instruments".


Computers aren't instruments.
"There is no more effective method of concealment than the broadest publicity."
"naw just be like "in facist america burger is you comrade""
"if maps are hard, suicide is impossible"
 
Jun 12, 2013 1:00 PM

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Captain-Hawkeye said:
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Captain-Hawkeye said:
People who use their computers to make electronic "music" aren't musicians.

Musicians play real musical instruments, not computers.

Define "instruments".


Computers aren't instruments.
So Mayonnaise is an instrument? It is not a computer.

 
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IntroverTurtle said:
Captain-Hawkeye said:
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Captain-Hawkeye said:
People who use their computers to make electronic "music" aren't musicians.

Musicians play real musical instruments, not computers.

Define "instruments".


Computers aren't instruments.
So Mayonnaise is an instrument? It is not a computer.


You just broke OP logic
 
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TehBlindSamurai said:
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Captain-Hawkeye said:
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Captain-Hawkeye said:
People who use their computers to make electronic "music" aren't musicians.

Musicians play real musical instruments, not computers.

Define "instruments".


Computers aren't instruments.
So Mayonnaise is an instrument? It is not a computer.


You just broke OP logic


Yeah, you got me with this one. :(
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Jun 12, 2013 4:54 PM
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no there not unless they sing [ you voice is an instrument in this context ]
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Jun 12, 2013 5:43 PM
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Then call them composers and be done with it.
 
Jun 12, 2013 6:25 PM
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Quick, someone dig up Stockhausen and Varèse and tell them they're not real musicians

But in a way I sympathize. Modern dance music is total garbage.
 
Jun 12, 2013 7:01 PM

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You do know that a computer can be a music instrument right? Your logic is flawed.

"A musical instrument is a device created or adapted to make musical sounds."

Now prove me otherwise.
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Jun 13, 2013 3:52 AM

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I don't know, but i would wager that the majority of people that compose electronic music on a computer well enough to make money from it have a background in music and most likely can actually play an instrument. At the end of the day, it is just a job title.
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Jun 13, 2013 5:02 AM

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What if write a piano song on a computer?`

Am i a semi-musican? D:
 
Jun 13, 2013 5:46 AM

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I don't see why the specific terminology matters. What are you gaining/losing by saying they cannot be labeled as 'musicians'? Does it even matter to a majority of the population? What a silly argument.
 
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Wilio said:
You do know that a computer can be a music instrument right? Your logic is flawed.

"A musical instrument is a device created or adapted to make musical sounds."

Now prove me otherwise.


So my trash can is an instrument? My computer chair makes sounds, and could be used in a song, so that too, is a musical instrument? What about my toilet?

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I don't see why the specific terminology matters. What are you gaining/losing by saying they cannot be labeled as 'musicians'? Does it even matter to a majority of the population? What a silly argument.


I'm a silly guy.
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Jun 13, 2013 7:58 AM

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Captain-Hawkeye said:
Wilio said:
You do know that a computer can be a music instrument right? Your logic is flawed.

"A musical instrument is a device created or adapted to make musical sounds."

Now prove me otherwise.


So my trash can is an instrument? My computer chair makes sounds, and could be used in a song, so that too, is a musical instrument? What about my toilet?

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I don't see why the specific terminology matters. What are you gaining/losing by saying they cannot be labeled as 'musicians'? Does it even matter to a majority of the population? What a silly argument.


I'm a silly guy.


what about those silly dudes with the trash cans and shit? they tour and do shows all over america (and god knows where else) They look pretty stupid, right? but if you listen they are pretty decent. its music. I think a toilet could make for some cool additions, but not sure if a plastic office chair would cut it!
 
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Captain-Hawkeye said:
Wilio said:
You do know that a computer can be a music instrument right? Your logic is flawed.

"A musical instrument is a device created or adapted to make musical sounds."

Now prove me otherwise.


So my trash can is an instrument? My computer chair makes sounds, and could be used in a song, so that too, is a musical instrument? What about my toilet?

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I don't see why the specific terminology matters. What are you gaining/losing by saying they cannot be labeled as 'musicians'? Does it even matter to a majority of the population? What a silly argument.


I'm a silly guy.


If you actually produce a song with it, sure I guess, but you won't, so why are you giving those cheap examples? Computers have actually been used to produce music and is now an important tool for music these days. So it is generally accepted that a computer can act as a musical instrument.
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Captain-Hawkeye said:

So my trash can is an instrument? My computer chair makes sounds, and could be used in a song, so that too, is a musical instrument? What about my toilet?


They would fall under unpitched percussion instruments, they're highly impracticable and would more than likely need some method of amplification as they wouldn't have been built for concert use. There are much better options out there so a trash can and chair wouldn't be employed as anything more than a gimmick, but this wouldn't stop them from being recognized as percussion instruments if that's what they're being used for.

I think the problem lies with you placing music and instruments at a much higher plane than they are, they're not esteemed titles, music really isn't that hard to get into, there is no rule that states an instrument must be complicated or a musician must be a virtuoso.
 
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They aren't ..
They are DJs or Producers
 
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So my trash can is an instrument? My computer chair makes sounds, and could be used in a song, so that too, is a musical instrument? What about my toilet?


They would fall under unpitched percussion instruments, they're highly impracticable and would more than likely need some method of amplification as they wouldn't have been built for concert use. There are much better options out there so a trash can and chair wouldn't be employed as anything more than a gimmick, but this wouldn't stop them from being recognized as percussion instruments if that's what they're being used for.

I think the problem lies with you placing music and instruments at a much higher plane than they are, they're not esteemed titles, music really isn't that hard to get into, there is no rule that states an instrument must be complicated or a musician must be a virtuoso.


We're all unofficial musicians then.

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They aren't ..
They are DJs or Producers


I like this.
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Captain-Hawkeye said:

We're all unofficial musicians then.


Unofficial?

A large amount of us do have some level of musicianship, a lot of cultures bring their children up with some instrument, it forms part of their curriculum. If music isn't their focus they wouldn't really call themselves a musician as it's not something they do, just something they have. If you're involved in music in some way you would be a musician through the act of doing, even if you were musically illiterate it wouldn't stop you from being one, it would just make you a shitty musician. That's the thing, musician doesn't have any inherent worth, you could be a beginner or student, it's a path not a crown.
 
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They aren't ..
They are DJs or Producers


Also did you know the popular british artist Imogen heaps uses literally any sound she can find like tapping various objects and such to make her songs, is she not a musician either rofl
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Secondviennese said:

I think the problem lies with you placing music and instruments at a much higher plane than they are, they're not esteemed titles, music really isn't that hard to get into, there is no rule that states an instrument must be complicated or a musician must be a virtuoso.

I agree here, well said.

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Also did you know the popular british artist Imogen heaps uses literally any sound she can find like tapping various objects and such to make her songs, is she not a musician either rofl

Yes, he'd probably say that.

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Like I said before, I'm not sure of OP's reasoning behind this debate. If it's merely about the technicality of the term, then I stand by my point in saying it's irrelevant what you personally call them. That's like arguing between the words "pop" and "soda". However, if you are trying to demean the work and effort of 'producers' and 'composers' by saying they are not musicians, then I am even more baffled.
 
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I feel this thread is insulting to M.A.S.H.
 
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What if you play an instrument through a midi interface and then manipulate those sounds for electronic music via a computer?
 
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They aren't ..
They are DJs or Producers


Wait hold up a minute you're gonna tell me producers are not musicians??
I know you're not trolling either like the other guy, please go be retarded somewhere else.

Also did you know the popular british artist Imogen heaps uses literally any sound she can find like tapping various objects and such to make her songs, is she not a musician either rofl


Going by the responses in this thread, then yes, it would be, since we're all musicians now.

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I'm not sure of OP's reasoning behind this debate


For the sake of debate, I don't think they qualify the right to the title of "musician", you either agree or disagree and try to justify why.
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