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huehue93 said: There is no way chamber is final boss, it is impossible to beat him, he can turn people to dust like nothing. Oh but that's EXACTLY why it will be the final boss. They are always unbeatable. EDIT: It would actually be very fitting of Urobuchi on if Chamber WON that confrontation, slaughtered the rest of Earth and then proceeded to wait for aliance's arrival for thousands of years. |
AhenshihaelJun 2, 2013 6:41 PM
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| Ah. No wonder the whalesquid and the hideauze shared similar DNA. I was under the impression that the whalesquid was just a species of squid that Ledo had mistaken for hideauze because of their appearance, but I guess it turns out they really are hideauze (at least a less evolved counterpart). Looking forward to seeing how this turns out. |
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Ajunky said: AshtonClaude said: It's just a matter of a different approach. Using technology to live in space means being dependent on it to survive, an error can lead to the death of a whole colony.can anyone explain me , they turn into whalesquid to be able to adapt to environment, such as space...but then...why they need to turn into whalesquid if normal human a.k.a galactic alliance also can survive the space without being a whalesquid ? On the other hand, if a body is able to live in space, survival is easier. It's an extreme approach, but who can say if it's right or wrong? Curiously enough, both factions started from a will to ensure the survival of human kind in the face of the impending catastrophe. And both routes led to loss of humanity in different ways. Biologically for Hidauze and philosophically for Alliance. |
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Colascka said: In the 2nd episode the guy went and kill the pirates without a shred of remorse just because they were labeled enemies; even though he discovered that the Hideauze were genetically modified humans the fact remain the same they are the enemies.MaxCrazy7 said: Stitches327 said: MaxCrazy7 said: It makes sense why this shook him down to his core, if you had one day realized you're whole entire life you were fighting an enemy and then finding out they were once human. Wouldn't that surprise anyone?I think Ledo is overacting, I've never seen such a rapid change of heart after years of hatred of the Hideauze. I would be surprised but not in the brink of mental breakdown. First of all Ledo was told he is killing the enemies to protect human race, but in fact he was killing humans for humans. It was normal reaction for him in that moment. I wouldn`t say that Gallactic Alliance lie to him, but rather didn`t say whole true (the fact most of this infromation is top secret isn`t any better either). Although I think neither of sides of conflict are right, in fact both are douchebags. Evolver thinks of themselves as better, left earthlings and some of evolvers on earth to freeze, the same for Union, who just wanted to prove they rights. Therefore conflict goes on. |
| I kinda saw that coming. I thought they were man-made but not actually human. Ledo's about to go cray cray in the next episode. This really has turned into a very good series. |
Yata837 said: My friend sent me this back on week 2 or 3 and I laughed it off.  ...but now I'm not laughing. I dont buy it,..Hideauze is still evil, they killed many human already |
Yata837 said: My friend sent me this back on week 2 or 3 and I laughed it off. ...but now I'm not laughing. But are they? They were fighting The Continental Union in an active war, plus they were the ones who violated international law with their bio experiments and then tried to cover it up. When the CU built the hyperspace gate to leave Earth, it was the Evolvers who attacked them in order to steal the technology. I don't think there was a good and bad in that war. It was just a war with two sides. Now, you might think the Galactic Alliance is bad because they are hiding the fact that the Hideauze were human, but a) You don't know if they even know and b) You don't know that the Hidauze leaders aren't also lying to their own people and not telling them that they used to be human. So I don't think that one side is bad and the other is good. It's more making the point that war is bad period. |
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| LOL. Ok this anime officially reached epic joke-tier. The ones doing the writing has no idea how evolution (or gene-tech for that matter) even works. The usage of "children" to make an impact was also cringe-worthy, not to mention even using a term like "evolvers", haha. "Evilution" made me laugh, though. Edit: this ep. also kinda reinforced my earlier point that Chamber/Ledo is a way bigger threat than the Earth-Hideauze will ever be. Of 'course everyone said otherwise at the time. I do agree that Chamber seems like a likely last-boss, though. Either that, or the alliance somehow shows up. Actually, that would be a hilarious way to wrap up this show. Alliance shows up, Hideauze shows up, giant showdown with Ledo and whatever that girl is called in the middle, saving both species through communication and bellydancing. I'm calling it right now. Oh wait, Urobutchi. |
XartaXJun 2, 2013 7:16 PM
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Wow! Awesome episode!! I didn't see this coming at all. I pondered that the Hideazu could be human made, but didn't think they were actual human experiments. Craziness! |
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| Doesnt that little girl in the video look alot like amy? Short brown hair and blue eyes? I have so many questions its just so interesting. Love the plot twist so much,humanity vs humanity war. |
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Yata837 said: Well I am laughing of how naive people can be thinking that the world is just black and white. There are always two sides of a story. My friend sent me this back on week 2 or 3 and I laughed it off. ...but now I'm not laughing. All I learn from this episode is there were a race between two factions in fleeing the Earth to go to space. One was bold enough to go as far as changing themselves so they can adapt better to their new environment and another who just didn't and just relied on technology to survive. The continental union has all the reasons to be scared of these new race and that war is the prove of it. |
| @Ajunky Nope, you're wrong. At the time I jumped that thread (ep 7) I could count the posts agreeing on that point on one hand. I must say the butthurt is delicious, though. |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| I am literally pissed that I have been forced to go through a pool episode and a belly-dancing episode to have a good one like this. I knew it was Urobitchy, I knew this wasn't gonna be a moe anime, I knew this wasn't gonna be a fanservice, but with each episode after the first one, my high hopes had fallen one by one, and my last hope that finally all moes and fanservices would be gone and Ledo would be alone, was this episode. Now I can finally die in peace. MaxCrazy7 said: Yata837 said: Well I am laughing of how naive people can be thinking that the world is just black and white. There are always two sides of a story. My friend sent me this back on week 2 or 3 and I laughed it off. ...but now I'm not laughing. All I learn from this episode is there were a race between two factions in fleeing the Earth to go to space. One was bold enough to go as far as changing themselves so they can adapt better to their new environment and another who just didn't and just relied on technology to survive. The continental union has all the reasons to be scared of these new race and that war is the prove of it. Well I am laughing of how naive people can be thinking that the world is just black and white: Shounen go check every single Shounen anime/manga There are always two sides of a story: The truth, my dear, will change shape when you look at it from a different perspective. |
TanshaydarJun 2, 2013 7:32 PM
| It is not dead which can eternal lie; And with strange aeons even death may die. |
| Ah... How did I not see this coming? This is like some kind of Blue Gender ripoff now. |
Ajunky said: XartaX said: Try to find me among the dissident, you won't.@Ajunky Nope, you're wrong. At the time I jumped that thread (ep 7) I could count the posts agreeing on that point on one hand. I must say the butthurt is delicious, though. And your counting sucks. That's because you never posted in the thread. Either that or you never said anything memorable. Feel free to state exactly which page and I'll check it out, though (I did a fast search and didn't find you, but who knows if the search engine felt buggy today) You're not very bright, are you? |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| THE BUTCHERING HAS COMMENCED |
Ajunky said: XartaX said: I'm brighter than you at the least, you arrogant stupidity is what's memorable.You're not very bright, are you? You seriously don't see the problem with stating "Try to find me among the dissident (cor: dissidents), you won't." when you never posted in the thread to begin with? I wonder about the logical faculties of humanity in general, sometimes. Edit: Welp, a shiny new chapter of Magi is out, so I'm out as well (which means this is the time for you to raise strawmens to attack, since I'm not here to call you out on your bullshit)! |
XartaXJun 2, 2013 7:45 PM
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Well that was an interesting ep O_O Was that female hideauze at the end the same one from the video? Cause dang... Chamber just gone and killed her :( |
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| Ledo just got his mind blasted by all that info and in the end human killing human's |
| One thing I should comment on and never did is that both the continental union and the evolvers are asshole! I can see what happened perfectly while they were having their little war I am sure they left most of the population on Earth to die instead of doing a full scale rescue. (I know is probably impossible anyway, but still,,,) |
| holy... shit. it's like the coordinators vs the humans. |
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Ajunky said: XartaX said: Yours is the one failing here. You're assuming I disagreed when I didn't even post.Ajunky said: XartaX said: I'm brighter than you at the least, you arrogant stupidity is what's memorable.You're not very bright, are you? You seriously don't see the problem with stating "Try to find me among the dissident (cor: dissidents), you won't." when you never posted in the thread to begin with? I wonder about the logical faculties of humanity in general, sometimes. I really shouldn't bother explain it if you cannot get even that. Let me try to put it in a simple way so you have a chance to understand how logic works. When making such a claim, you're basically saying that you weren't disagreeing at the time. If you claim that you weren't disagreeing at the time, you have to back it up with some kind of evidence which shows the other part you are talking to that this is the case (i.e. referencing to participation in the discussion at the time). If such evidence does not exist, your original claim has no weight and can be dismissed out of hand. Thus your statement is pointless and your original post here can be read as if that sentence wasn't even part of it. Which leaves us with "your counting sucks". Welp, how about you go and find every single post that agreed with my initial standpoint? I doubt you can find more than five from the point I joined up until I left (page 18). I can only remember one without checking (unique posters). TL;DR you suck. I'mma sleep now. Why am I even discussing this. It was just some offhand banter that has no connection to the other points in my post anyways. |
XartaXJun 2, 2013 8:11 PM
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Yata837 said: Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to convey that there was a black and white good or bad side to the scenario, though I can see why people thought that's what I was inferring from the pic. Furthermore, I (like most of you) am glad this finally occurred because now the show is a lot less one-sided. Yeah I totally get you. In a war both sides are saying they are in the right in the other party is wrong. Right now that fight that start on Earth had evolved into space the Hideauze are beating the shit out of the Galactic Alliance. They can kill each other for all I care, I mean these two did left behind people to fend for themselves. Luckily for them they survived, it is t0o bad that Ledo and Chamber came along and annihilate the surviving Hideauze on Earth. No one can say as of this episode if they would be a threat for humans on Earth in the long run but if Ledo did kill all of them now humanity has nothing to fear until either of the two bastards fighting in space come back to Earth. |
| Holy shit! So the Hideauze used to be humans but have essentially evolved. That is freaking crazy. So the entire time, Ledo has been killing humans basically. God damn, my mind just got raped. Chamber killing that female-looking Hideauze at the end gave me goosebumps. Was she the same Elaine Matsumoto? Also was that little girl saying 'goodbye' to her father in the retrieved data Amy?! |
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| The Evolvers did act against International Law, but "The Continental Union didn't wait for a United Nations resolution before dispatching a foreign fleet." The Evolvers did plan to take the wormhole drive to themselves, but The Continental Union was going to "simultaneously destroy it and escape the Solar System", presumably leaving the Evolvers (and who knows how many else) behind. Both sides are wrong. |
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| Didn't expect the Hideauze were humans. |
| Great Ep. Will it end at 12/13? I think it needs a little more episode to further expand the story. I don't want the rushed feeling. Looks like they updated the OP removing the Fleet Commander and Ridget's laid back hair. |
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| Reminded me of this... |
| Was beginning to lose hope for this series after the past few episodes. This episode was great. I am really looking forward to the next episode. |
| I was already suspecting that the "Hideauze are evil aliens hellbent on destroying humanity" was a lie, but I expected it was that the humans wanted to conquer more territory and the Hideauze were already occupying them, and humans usually do, they attacked first and the Hideauze were merely defending themselves, while the humans twisted the story around to brainwash their soldiers into obedience. I didn't expect something as perverse as what was revealed today. Awesome! |
| Aww yeah, we're getting into the meat of the story. I thought this series was initially more suited as a calming slice-of-life show, but my enjoyment of this show has just escalated exponentially since we left the peaceful everyday lives of the people of Gargantia. The revelation presented in this episode wasn't all that shocking for me, since I've seen this scenario a bit too many times and had a strong feeling that the Hideauze would turn out to be humans, but with all the space elements and layers to the conflict mixed in, it's becoming really interesting. I really like the set-up here, and this episode in particular has really piqued my interest. I can't wait for the upcoming episodes now. Serativale said: Linkark07 said: Didn't expect the Hideauze were humans. |
| Wow, some of the replies in this thread are downright despicable. So if we actually made contact with an extraterrestrial species, it seems like there's a sizable minority of humanity that would immediately want to go to war with them just because they're not human. Disgusting! The Hideauze are clearly sapient beings and are obviously fighting for self-preservation, like all forms of life on Earth. Fighting for survival does not make you a monster or deserving of genocide and it sure as hell doesn't make you less than human (seeing as how that's what humanity excels at in the first place). For that matter, the fact that they are heavily modified forms of Earth fauna combined with humans does not make them monsters, either! It's amazing how many people just completely miss the point of the Hideauze being essentially heavily modified humans, which is to call your idea of what is human into question and force you to reevaluate your information (which, fortunately, a fair number of posters seem more than willing to do). For that matter, it doesn't even matter if something is merely a high-level predator or what-have-you. We must live in symbiosis with other living creatures or the natural order just completely falls apart, which you can very plainly see just by looking around you - massive extinction events all across the globe, much of it engineered plainly by humans expanding their territory without regard for the consequences to the native organisms. Even things that are quite clearly dangerous to human beings are deserving of our respect and understanding, as they often fulfill key roles in the ecosystems they inhabit. Fuck with them and, as if knocking over a row of dominoes, everything just goes to hell in a hand-basket very quickly. The factions in space are simply two opposing ideological sides locked in an endless conflict. Both of them are essentially in the wrong. There is no better side here, at least until one side finally extends an arm towards reconciliation. The series is clearly heading towards a conclusion that sees some kind of end to the conflict, but the war in outer space will likely continue to rage on off-screen even as Earth finally enters a new era of peace. |
| I will re-watch in RoSub later ! |
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| By god. This anime went straight from "Boredom no Gargantia" to "HOLY SHIT no Gargantia" in the span of 10 minutes. Now I'm actually looking forward to new episodes instead of being reluctant about them. Bravo. |
| YES! Episodes like this one is what I expected when starting this anime. First time i'm excited for the next ep. since episode 1 |
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