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Oct 8, 2009 7:01 PM

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YouWatch said:
http://myanimelist.net/manga/16459/Seikimatsu_Densetsu
http://myanimelist.net/manga/16461/Okashisugi_Dayo
http://myanimelist.net/manga/16462/Toriaedu_Namanaka

These where not doujins!


When I was researching these mangas, I found them as original work hentai doujins on a few different sites, with authors that are not well-established. For example, Toriaedu Namanaka --> http://doujinshi.mugimugi.org/book/26527/Toriaedu-Namanaka/

However, if you can provide me with a credible site for the manga above, feel free to re-submit the entries and I'll be more than happy to accept them. Maybe you can provide us with a more reliable site as far as hentai manga goes.
 
Oct 8, 2009 8:16 PM

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Ok, but doujinshi.mugimugi.org lists both doujins and manga.
Ex: http://doujinshi.mugimugi.org/book/9062/Karin-1/

It states on the page you posted "Type: Manga / 漫画", so it says it'd not a doujin. It also has a publisher listed (Moerl Publishing / モエールパブリッシング), and doujins are "non-published/self-published works" so it can't be a doujin. It also contains an Amazon link which has an official ISBN (978-4903028194), further confirming that it's not a doujin. The same can also be said for the other two manga.
 
Oct 8, 2009 8:42 PM

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Sounds good. I apologize for the mistake. As I said previously, simply re-submit the manga and either one of the other manga mods or myself will look at the entries again. However, this time around, please try to provide more information when you do submit (ex. a source for the plot synopsis, adding in the mangaka, a manga-update ID, etc), instead of the bare minimum, so it'll be easier for us to discern whether these submissions are indeed manga or not.

And I'm still learning the ropes as well, so bear with me. :D

Thanks for the heads up though.
 
Oct 8, 2009 8:59 PM

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Alright.

I have a question though, what is this "doujinshi with no credible author"? The thing it the front says:
We accept original Doujin, meaning it has to be by the original author or an origional story. If its a Doujin based on another manga but not the same author, we will not accept it.
It doesn't say anything about the mangaka being credible, and "credible" is also such a weasel word too. How do you define who is a "credible doujin writer", considering most are not well known and change their pen-names too often as it is.

As for the mangaka in the db: I usually submit them after I've submitted the manga since it takes forever for people to be approved. If I where to do everything in order, it would take several days just to add one. (submit author, wait for approval + submit manga, wait for approval + submit manga to authors works, wait for approval. repeat)
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Oh, and congrats on the promotion.
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Oct 8, 2009 9:37 PM
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For our database, a credible doujin writer would be someone who produces his or her own original work. Obviously in order for us to determine whether a doujin writer and/or a publication is credible, we need to get references. Mangaupdates is a prime example.

So there was no real need for the mention of a "credible" author, but it is implied in that quote for the need for the author and/or the publication to be backed with credible references; thus, making the author and/or publication credible.
 
Oct 8, 2009 9:41 PM

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Ah, so he meant "no doujins without author in db"?

Sorry for hijacking this thread, too.
 
Oct 8, 2009 10:17 PM
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I'm sorry, I believe vindemon said "with authors that are not well-established", and said nothing about "credible doujin writer". Credible author does sound a little fishy ^^;

We accept original doujinshi from "well-established" mangaka. By well-established, we mean mangaka that have published works in addition to doujinshi. This is to keep people from sitting at their desk, drawing a few panels, binding it and then trying to submit their manga to our DB ^^; If we cannot find published works by the mangaka of submitted original doujins, we will deny them. If you provide us with links to their published works that we may have over-looked, then we will be happy to re-evaluate our decision.

I believe where the "credible source" comes from, is we also need to find some mention of these manga/doujin, and preferrably not only on some random person's personal webpage ^^;

I see that vindemon has covered this already for this submission, but I thought to clarify on the process. We will be posting a clear list of Manga DB Guidelines over the next few days that should hopefully cover this and much more :3



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Oct 8, 2009 10:29 PM

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OK, but then that goes back to what I said before. Mangaka usually write under different pen-names when dealing with doujins, so there won't be any "published works" attached to these names, and there are also mangaka that only make doujins. I understand that you don't want the "average joe" submitting their home comics to the db, but this also blocks real mangaka's doujins from being added. Is there any other way to prove an author's authenticity?
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Oct 8, 2009 11:04 PM
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If you can associate the doujin pen-names to the pushibled mangaka, then yes. We don't want separate people entries for pen-names anyway. As for those without published works, they will not be accepted at this time. The only way around this is if the doujinshi is collected and authorized by a reputable publishing company, and distributed like standard manga. We are a manga database, not a doujin database :)

I hope this helps!



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Oct 9, 2009 11:40 AM

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Kineta said:
We are a manga database, not a doujin database
Doujins are manga, they're just not published. And if a doujin was "collected and authorized by a reputable publishing company", it wouldn't be a doujin anymore.

Alright then, thanks for the help.
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Oct 9, 2009 12:41 PM

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Suzu_Saiai said:
Kineta said:
We are a manga database, not a doujin database
Doujins are manga, they're just not published. And if a doujin was "collected and authorized by a reputable publishing company", it wouldn't be a doujin anymore.

Alright then, thanks for the help.

"collected and authorized by a reputable publishing company" = officially licensed comic anthology containing works from mangaka other than the original one, but authorized and sold on places like amazon.co.jp
 
Oct 9, 2009 1:04 PM
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Thanks shin, it was late when I posted that haha. I'm not sure how that got in there as it didn't really apply to that case....

Hahaha, "pushibled mangaka" XD I rest my case.

And thanks Suzu (I guess it is now) for understanding my garbled-ness and our position :)



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Oct 9, 2009 3:32 PM

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I denied a doujinshi submission called Strawberry because it had very little information included in the entry. (forgot to note the item #)
 
Oct 9, 2009 3:42 PM

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Denied:
Jisoubunseki Shinsengumi (16473) - minimal info
Kirai, kirai, kirai, suki (16472) - minimal info
 
Oct 9, 2009 4:42 PM
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8618/Street_Fighter_dj_-_Oshaburi_Palace
8311/Sukisho_dj_-_Boku_no_Usagi
8281/Super_Robot_Wars_dj_-_Full_Metal_Judgement
8282/Super_Robot_Wars_dj_-_Ouka_Gensou
7614/Tokyo_Mew_Mew_dj_-_Hame
7480/Tsukihime_dj_-__Micro_Moon
6482/Scryed_dj_-_Todays_Discovery
7084/Ragnarok_Online_dj_-_Temporary_Love
9462/Persona_dj_-_Brand_New_Date
7613/Persona_dj__-_3Dex
9467/Persona_3_dj_-_Empress
9466/Persona_3_dj_-_E9
9464/Persona_3_dj_-_Burn_My_Date
9463/Persona_3_dj_-_Burn_My_Blood
9461/Persona_3_dj_-_Bad_Status
9460/Persona_3_dj_-_A_Strong_Will
9459/Persona_3_dj_-_3P
 
Oct 10, 2009 7:51 AM

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Denied:

Noise Nostalgia (16481)
Chanto Tsutaete (16483) - both published in Wagamama Dakedo Itoshikute

Merged:
Futari Yuugi (3349) with Wagamama Dakedo Itoshikute
 
Oct 10, 2009 5:26 PM

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Dousokai (16485) - same as Dousokai
 
Oct 10, 2009 9:17 PM

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Denied S (16490), duplicate of S.
 
Oct 11, 2009 10:50 AM

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Denials:

Ribbon no Kishi (16497) - Already exists.
 
Oct 11, 2009 5:48 PM

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Denied Kindan no Ringo (16508) - Blatant child nudity
 
Oct 11, 2009 6:03 PM

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shinkeikaku said:
Denied Kindan no Ringo (16508) - Blatant child nudity
Sorry, I accidentally submitted the uncensored pic.
 
Oct 11, 2009 6:05 PM

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No again? But it was censored this time.
 
Oct 11, 2009 6:26 PM

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Toriko Gaiden (16503) - too little information
Kindan no Ringo (16509) - child nudity
Cross Beat (16504) - Already exists.
 
Oct 11, 2009 6:30 PM

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Sensual Love (16507) - published in Haitoku no Love Sick. updated synonyms
 
Oct 11, 2009 7:27 PM

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Resubmitted:
http://myanimelist.net/manga/16510/Kindan_no_Ringo
It's censored.

Should I use black to censor instead? (more noticeable)
 
Oct 12, 2009 12:34 AM
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We prefer white or black censoring, but it doesn't need to stand out. In an image like this, white looks nicer so it can stay.

While that censoring may be sufficient if it were a grown woman, this isn't enough for loli/shota images. As I said before, we are moving to be more strict with these images. As such, there are two options: censor ALL nudity on the image, or crop it. Please see: http://myanimelist.net/manga/16510/Kindan_no_Ringo/pics

It doesn't look the best (I can't say I spent a lot of time or care on it), but I hope this gets what I mean across. If you feel you can do a better job with it while still covering any nudity, please feel free to give it a shot :D



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Oct 12, 2009 11:12 AM
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One or double - exists here
Chronicles of the Cursed Sword - exists here

Eastern Eastern - minimal info. Seems only to be published in Italy. I have a feeling it was initially grouped in a different volume/series in Japan.

Dr. Rurru - changed the one-shot entry to the manga.
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Oct 12, 2009 12:31 PM

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Diamond of Heart (16530)
because it already exists as
Heart no Diamond (16237)
 
Oct 12, 2009 3:40 PM

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Denials:

Elemental (16536) - very little to none information
Boku wa onna no ko (16538) - Already exists.

New Denials as of October 13th

Strawberry (16550) - doujinshi and very little information
Alice 19th (16554) - Already exists.


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Oct 14, 2009 11:34 AM

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Guessing Game (16558) - Little to no info at all
 
Oct 14, 2009 3:53 PM

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Happiness (16556) - Already exists. Happiness is chapters 4-5 in Cherish.

New Denials as of October 15th

Go Musume (16569) - child nudity, please edit picture and resubmit.
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Oct 15, 2009 7:52 PM

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Denied two submissions of Shoujo Eve Ringo Jikake no 24 Ji . It's in Shinshi Doumei Cross.
Make that three. No means no
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Oct 15, 2009 8:20 PM

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37°C NO BOYFRIEND (16577) - Already exists
 
Oct 15, 2009 11:46 PM

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Go Musume (16569) - child nudity, please edit picture and resubmit.
1. I censored it
2. She had HUGE TITS. This wasn't even a loli manga.

Child nudity?
 
Oct 16, 2009 6:19 AM

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Suzu_Saiai said:
vindemon64 said:
Go Musume (16569) - child nudity, please edit picture and resubmit.
1. I censored it
2. She had HUGE TITS. This wasn't even a loli manga.

Child nudity?


Hmm...if I recall correctly (which I probably don't because my memory sucks), the girl on the picture looked really young, so I simply assumed she was under 18. Anyway, regardless of the fact, the censor was not enough. We are trying to implement more stricter censors on pictures for hentai manga submissions, thus the need for a more obvious censor than what was submitted. One other thing that could be done is instead of using white censor bars which sometimes blend into the image, using black ones that stand out really help too. Never mind that. :D

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Adolf ni Tsugu (16580) - Already exists
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Oct 18, 2009 5:25 AM
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5317/Megaman_dj_-_Blue_Crackers
5318/Megaman_dj_-_Re:Blue_Crackers
8263/Noein_dj_-_Dragons_Dream
7894/Ookiku_Furikabutte_dj_-_4649_(Yoroshiku)
7914/Ookiku_Furikabutte_dj_-_Hanamachi_Hana_no_Aria
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7910/Ookiku_Furikabutte_dj_-_Hyouka_no_Shizuku_to_Sora_no_Hoshi
7917/Ookiku_Furikabutte_dj_-_Indigo_Pop_Time
7905/Ookiku_Furikabutte_dj_-_Sukoyakani_Sawayakani
7918/Ookiku_Furikabutte_dj_-_Sunshine_House_Moonlight_Home
9461/Persona_3_dj_-_Bad_Status
9462/Persona_dj_-_Brand_New_Date
7889/Ookiku_Furikabutte_dj_-_Hikarisasu
7892/Ookiku_Furikabutte_dj_-_Honey_Beat
7891/Ookiku_Furikabutte_dj_-_Mizu_no_Naka
 
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Nanairo Magic (16600) - Already exists.

New denials of October 19th:

Taihen Yokudekimashita (16611) - little to no information. Please resubmit with more information.
Tijikun (16605) - Already exists
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Oct 19, 2009 7:26 PM

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Platinum (16610) and Waka-sama no Jijou (16609)

They are both included in Nine Puzzle (1027)
 
Oct 20, 2009 4:15 PM

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HAYATE NO GOTOKU! (16626) - Already exists
Maiden Rose dj - Luckenwalde no Heya de (16624) - Doujin not done by the original author
The Summer of the Ubume (16616) - A normal Japanese novel and not manga or light novel.
Hi and Low (16618) - please re-submit with more information
Zoo (16615) - A normal Japanese novel and not manga or light novel.
When She Touches Me (16627) - too little information - please resubmit with more.
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Oct 20, 2009 11:07 PM
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Sandman - The Dream Hunters (Novel) -- novella, unrelated to anime/manga.
Battle Royale (Novel) -- novel, minimally related to anime/manga.



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Oct 21, 2009 4:11 PM

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Denials:

Megao Saga (16640) - a non-Japanese manga
Hermaphrodite (16639) - FMA doujin not done by the original author.
We like hotness! (16638) - too little information; please re-submit with more.
bitouna koi (16634) - Included here.
Emilya Saga (16632) - Fate/Stay Night doujin not done by the original author
No longer Human (16636) - not a manga
Loli Big Breasted Mama (16643) - not enough information; please re-submit with more

New Denials as of October 22:

Little Sister Is Amber (16642) - very little information; please re-submit with more.
Blue Heaven (16651) - Already exists
The Gods War (16641) - Already exists.
Loli Big Breasted Mama (16646) - again, please re-submit with more than the bare minimum of information. A picture, M-U ID number and/or synopsis would be helpful.

New Denials as of October 24:

GS Mikami (16674) - Already exists.
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Absolute Obedience (16680) - collected in this book
 
Oct 25, 2009 12:43 AM
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Oct 25, 2009 10:54 AM

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Neon Genesis Evangelion: Re-Take (16694) - no information submitted; please resubmit with more. and ensure that this doujinshi is done by the same creator/author as the main NGE manga.
Ibitsu (16689) and Ibitsu (16690) - same as and Already exists

New Denials as of October 26th

Fairy Tail Special: X778 (16703) - included here

New Denials as of October 27th

7 Kiss (16723) - Included here
1.5 Darling (16682) - Included here
The Summer of the Ubume (16693) - a normal Japanese novel without an anime or manga adaptation.
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Merge

Valentine Nanka Kowakunai!? into Get Love
Pajama de Ojama into Gomen Asobase!



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Oct 28, 2009 12:36 AM
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-Project X - Cup Noodle (16722) same as Project X: Cup Noodle (15193)
-Isuca (16717) same as Isuca (15035)
 
Oct 28, 2009 4:31 PM

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Akatsukiss (16730) - Naruto doujinshi in polish
 
Oct 29, 2009 3:49 PM

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Yume Ga Kabnau 12gatus (16742) - spelling problem?

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