DateYutaka said: list And that is why this thread would get locked. All in all, good thread. Just make sure you explain why, otherwise this would be a simple listing thread, won't it? Here's a few of mine: An anime that isn't filled with dialogue, but still has quite a few of them would a good anime for learning Japanese, I think. Say, for instance, something like Usagi Drop, maybe? Or something that is filled with dialogue may also be very helpful, albeit a bit more difficult to understand, since it would be littered with words. Example: the Monogatari series. |
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| You can't rely on anime/manga to learn Japanese, though. |
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| You can't even write a sentence properly, Date. Nobody should trust your advice on learning a language. You've been on ENGLISH ONLY FORUMS for a VERY long time now and still don't know basics of the language after seeing and reading tens of thousands of English posts. Plus, it's a fact that using anime to learn Japanese is amazingly retarded - unless you use it as a VERY SMALL supplement to actual learning resources, as it can work as some listening practice, but nothing else and not as good as other material. Also, anime characters rarely speak naturally, so that's another reason anime is a bad learning source even for small listening practice. |
TallonKarrde23May 28, 2013 3:30 AM
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Leapling said: You can't rely on anime/manga to learn Japanese, though. How? You learn the language by being exposed to it. I did learn new stuff from just watching raws. Also Pokemon is fairly simple. |
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DateYutaka said: TallonKarrde23 said: You can't even write a sentence properly, Date. Nobody should trust your advice on learning a language. You've been on ENGLISH ONLY FORUMS for a VERY long time now and still don't know basics of the language after seeing and reading tens of thousands of English posts. Plus, it's a fact that using anime to learn Japanese is amazingly retarded - unless you use it as a VERY SMALL supplement to actual learning resources, as it can work as some listening practice, but nothing else and not as good as other material. Also, anime characters rarely speak naturally, so that's another reason anime is a bad learning source even for small listening practice. read the blog post His source is a fansubber - fansubs are hardly accurate when they aren't stealing scripts from CrunchyRoll or properly educated translators. I stopped reading there. Of course someone who knows no Japanese would think "this guy translates anime he must know Japanese" - even though this is actually not the case much of the time, and MANY professional translators have actually even stated as much about the fansubbing/scanlating community (those who are also cool enough to still pirate things). The majority of shit pumped out by these groups is inaccurate, made up, or assumed based on context and a few words they pick up - and/or stealing from other groups, stealing from official sources, etc. Hell, you - SUPPOSEDLY knowing Japanese - should know this well if you watch a few episodes of English fansubbed anime. It's hardly accurate because it's hardly done by people who know Japanese. They can, at most, pick up a few words and go from that - making up the majority of the rest. This is not knowing a language. |
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ZetaZaku said: Leapling said: You can't rely on anime/manga to learn Japanese, though. How? You learn the language by being exposed to it. I did learn new stuff from just watching raws. Also Pokemon is fairly simple. Can you write/read/speak Japanese properly? Recognizing a few words from anime doesn't count. |
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Leapling said: ZetaZaku said: Leapling said: You can't rely on anime/manga to learn Japanese, though. How? You learn the language by being exposed to it. I did learn new stuff from just watching raws. Also Pokemon is fairly simple. Can you write/read/speak Japanese properly? Recognizing a few words from anime doesn't count. The first thing about learning a language would be to learn it's grammar. Anime can help there. Other than that, it's all about adding to your vocabulary, where anime can also help. Still, it's a very long and mundane task to try to learn a language purely by anime. |
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DateYutaka said: hello im am Japanese and i made this list to help people Learn Japanese cooptively with real study i sould have mentioned that right. i also help run an eng laguage Stream site that has eng dubs on there and from what i can tell there very much mistranslated compare the anime the subbed anime i saw on the site 1. Your English is far too shitty to be believably just 'bad' or a secondary or even like fifth language. WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS. No matter what, you would know periods exist and not to RANDOMLY PRESS THE SPACE BAR 30 FUCKING TIMES BETWEEN WORDS - which you've proven to know by NOT ALWAYS DOING IT, yet you still randomly do, which proves it's on purpose. Which, in turn, proves you're just doing it all knowingly - not because you don't know the language. 2. I will never believe you're Japanese, I talk to plenty of people from there and you are very much the epitome of "white kid from Kentucky trying to troll". WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS. 3. Let's say you are Japanese. This is irrelevant to knowing how to learn the language as a foreigner - it actually means your input is LESS relevant than a foreigners input because they know how to learn it from that point of view. A Japanese doesn't get educated in the language remotely the same way as someone not natively speaking it. I have made a post in another thread outlining some of the best options to learn Japanese for non-native speakers. Watching anime is not one of those options. It's fucking stupid and will actually make you learn the langauge; 1. WRONG 2. WRONG 3. WRONG 4. SHITTILY 5. ILLITERATELY 6. WRONG 7. WRONG 8. WRONG 9. WRONG 10. AT BEST, LIKE A SMALL CHILD WHEN SPEAKING - AND UNABLE TO READ OR WRITE Using anime as primary learning source will actually make it HARDER to learn the language. Please stop encouraging people to ruin things for themselves. |
TallonKarrde23May 28, 2013 3:51 AM
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yhunata said: Leapling said: ZetaZaku said: Leapling said: You can't rely on anime/manga to learn Japanese, though. How? You learn the language by being exposed to it. I did learn new stuff from just watching raws. Also Pokemon is fairly simple. Can you write/read/speak Japanese properly? Recognizing a few words from anime doesn't count. The first thing about learning a language would be to learn it's grammar. Anime can help there. Other than that, it's all about adding to your vocabulary, where anime can also help. Still, it's a very long and mundane task to try to learn a language purely by anime. Its* The Japanese that is spoken in anime is far from formal. Unless you want to sound like an idiot, don't use any of your mediocre knowledge of Japanese when you're trying to speak to a native speaker. There are around 2000+ jōyō kanji, how are you going to learn those by watching anime? |
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| You shouldn't try to learn Japanese from an anime. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: I have made a post in another thread outlining some of the best options to learn Japanese for non-native speakers. Watching anime is not one of those options. It's fucking stupid and will actually make you learn the langauge; 1. WRONG 2. WRONG 3. WRONG 4. SHITTILY 5. ILLITERATELY 6. WRONG 7. WRONG 8. WRONG 9. WRONG 10. AT BEST, LIKE A SMALL CHILD WHEN SPEAKING - AND UNABLE TO READ OR WRITE Using anime as primary learning source will actually make it HARDER to learn the language. Please stop encouraging people to ruin things for themselves. This is so true. |
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yhunata said: The first thing about learning a language would be to learn it's grammar. Anime can help there. Other than that, it's all about adding to your vocabulary, where anime can also help. Still, it's a very long and mundane task to try to learn a language purely by anime. What the hell are you talking about ? it's impossible to learn Japanese grammar from anime the best you can learn from anime is vocabulary nothing more nothing less. Anyone who honestly think he can learn Japanese from anime is a giant weeaboo. |
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| I guess Hentai is the most simple one to begin with obviously |
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tsudecimo said: yhunata said: The first thing about learning a language would be to learn it's grammar. Anime can help there. Other than that, it's all about adding to your vocabulary, where anime can also help. Still, it's a very long and mundane task to try to learn a language purely by anime. What the hell are you talking about ? it's impossible to learn Japanese grammar from anime the best you can learn from anime is vocabulary nothing more nothing less. Anyone who honestly think he can learn Japanese from anime is a giant weeaboo. I meant the sentence formation. Leapling said: yhunata said: Leapling said: ZetaZaku said: Leapling said: You can't rely on anime/manga to learn Japanese, though. How? You learn the language by being exposed to it. I did learn new stuff from just watching raws. Also Pokemon is fairly simple. Can you write/read/speak Japanese properly? Recognizing a few words from anime doesn't count. The first thing about learning a language would be to learn it's grammar. Anime can help there. Other than that, it's all about adding to your vocabulary, where anime can also help. Still, it's a very long and mundane task to try to learn a language purely by anime. Its* The Japanese that is spoken in anime is far from formal. Unless you want to sound like an idiot, don't use any of your mediocre knowledge of Japanese when you're trying to speak to a native speaker. There are around 2000+ jōyō kanji, how are you going to learn those by watching anime? Since I was writing "it is", yes, "it's" is the correct version there. And again, by grammar, I meant sentence formation. As in order verb, object and subject (not sure, is it subject or what else?). I never said anything about writing, by the way. |
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| Ehh? Sentence formation ? give an example. |
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tsudecimo said: Ehh? Sentence formation ? give an example. As in "I eat bread" would be said "I Bread eat" in Japanese (watashiwa pan o tabemasu). That kind of sentence formation. |
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| It's not totally useless since it's more of a supplement of sorts. Manga University books can help with some of those kanji since it's more fun and entertaining. |
MANY professional translators have actually even stated as much about the fansubbing/scanlating community (those who are also cool enough to still pirate things). The majority of shit pumped out by these groups is inaccurate, made up, or assumed based on context and a few words they pick up - and/or stealing from other groups, stealing from official sources, etc. Hell, you - SUPPOSEDLY knowing Japanese - should know this well if you watch a few episodes of English fansubbed anime. It's hardly accurate because it's hardly done by people who know Japanese. They can, at most, pick up a few words and go from that - making up the majority of the rest. And how much Japanese knowledge do you have to base all this on? Don't you think professional translators (many of them former fansubbers themselves) wouldn't have a vested interest in shooting down their pirate competition by any means necessary? Sure, there'll always be the utter crap groups like AnimeJunkies, Serin, Your-Mom, (early) Chihiro, and Hadena, and I guess you can cherrypick them till the cows come home. But most surviving fansubs, i.e. the commonly-considered "best versions," from the pre-CR ~2003-2009 era are mostly accurate. (Particularly in 2008 when transport streams with Japanese closed-captioning became available, since that was almost as good as having the scripts.) Sure, they weren't perfect, as mishears or deliberate rewrites did occur. Song lyrics were often incorrect until the CD singles come out, due to incomprehensible Engrish or dearth of context. And many fansubs' English was more literal than I or others have preferred, though that doesn't make it wrong. But the "picked up a few words here and there, mostly made-up" types of releases are nowhere near as prevalent as you think. And I say this as a fansubber who's learned Japanese (to a large degree, anyway) from a mix of anime and other more traditional sources. However, I would recommend using official subs to anyone attempting to pick up some Japanese from anime, since they minimize the risk of mishears, guesslations, and rewrites/trolling. Aside from shows aimed at younger audiences, I'd say the best choices are school/romance series with modern/real-world settings, as they tend to re-use and reinforce the same range of vocabulary. Avoid anything with excessive technical/military dialogue, anything set in older times with historic/archaic dialogue, and anything where non-standard dialects are the norm. And of course, as others have said, don't rely on anime alone for learning -- seek out standard educational audio/video/print materials and websites to learn grammar and all that other "boring" stuff. |
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Leapling said: this.. anime manga can enhance the learning xp but you can't base all your knowledge of japanese language on them alone. For example, I can recognize many words in japanese and know their meaning, but when a Japanese person speaks to me, I don't understand anything (I'm taking Japanese classes this summer fyi)You can't rely on anime/manga to learn Japanese, though. |
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DateYutaka said: inspired by this blog post http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=48750 i come up with this list of anime that can be used as tools to Learning Japanese not numberd or any thing and to some extent this count for the manga counter parts as well and bofre you say all of these are Kodomo anime simple Language is needed amd not all of them are Jarinko Chie Doraemon Shin Chan Instant History Sazae San Maruko Chan Danchi Tomoo I've been watching (and reading) Doraemon, Shinchan, and Chibi Maruko-chan dubbed or not since a long time ago, it didn't really helped me though. |
SuntearsJun 5, 2013 4:05 PM
| How can I trust this thread and, more importantly, this: DateYutaka said: when you can't even write up a good English sentence?from what i can tell there [English dubs] very much mistranslated compare the anime the subbed anime i saw on the site |
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| Watching anime would only help learning Japanese if it was raw with Japanese subtitles. With their more casual and applicable settings, I think one would be better served finding variety shows to watch. Of course, the first step in my opinion, is familiarizing yourself with children's books, and being able to read them fluently. Having to follow dialogue in real-time would be undoubtedly frustrating for anyone who can't read read with decent speed, or is already decently familiar with Japanese sentence structure. Personally, I'm at around 450 Kanji with On/Kun readings memorized, but I'm starting to realize that while memorizing Kanji takes a fair bit of time, it isn't really effective for preparing one to output by itself (obviously). I would still advocate memorizing Kanji ASAP, especially if you're a self-learner and don't have much access to Japanese immersion besides reading. However, at some point one does have to start utilizing this knowledge. I think when I reach 500 Kanji, I'm going to start focusing on vocab words and piecing together sentences using these words. The idea is that I would have enough words to create actually meaningful sentences in Japanese, which allows me to attempt to think in Japanese while doing everyday tasks. This, in my opinion, or at least my conception of how to learn a language, might be essential. Going straight to output without knowing a good bit of vocabulary would probably be frustrating and counter-productive. If anyone wants to talk about learning Japanese, shoot me a message or something. Edit: Even kodomo manga have a good bit of Kanji and vocabulary that would be very frustrating if you had to look up every single word. A few weeks ago, it took me an hour to go through 1 page of Doraemon. I am now at the point where I can understand most of the Kanji used, and some of the vocabulary, although sentence structure is still a weakness. I wouldn't suggest anyone trying to learn Japanese to jump straight into manga without knowing at least 500-1000 words in Japanese or something. |
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| You can not learn proper Japanese from anime. At most, you can pick up a few words that get thrown around a lot like "teme," "kawaii," "baka," "hentai," and a few select other words that I swear I hear in like every other anime. Hell, sitting in a Japanese class in high school for just one year will teach you more Japanese than you ever have or will pick up from anime. I'd also like to add that anime uses a lot of informal language and slang. You will most likely learn the informal or rude way of speaking before you ever pick up on the polite way of speaking from watching anime. I know some people say you can learn from anime, but I just don't buy it. To me, it'd be like if some non-English speaker tried to learn English from American TV. Worse yet, from reality shows like Jersey Shore. Oh god, I shudder thinking about it. |
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| I don't see why it's harmful to use anime as a supplementary tool to teach yourself Japanese. I've taken 4 semesters of college Japanese but I lost motivation T_T....... Kanji is a fucking bitch I'll tell you that much though I wasn't completely oblivious to kanji when i first started learning because I did learn how to write some basic Chinese when I was a kid.I might even say learning and memorizing kanji is a life long commitment. I use to play raws just to see if I can pick up on what they are saying. It helped me some what with the auditory exams. |
zzzeallyJun 22, 2013 4:37 PM
| lmao fail weeaboo thread. Why learn Japanese anyways? Just for anime? Learn something for real world use that you can use for your career. If that's the case with Japanese then fine, but trying to learn it to watch anime and because you have an inferiority complex is laughable. |
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MajinSaga said: lmao fail weeaboo thread. Why learn Japanese anyways? Just for anime? Learn something for real world use that you can use for your career. If that's the case with Japanese then fine, but trying to learn it to watch anime and because you have an inferiority complex is laughable. WeabooSaga, how did you learn, "Majin"? |
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