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Sep 24, 2013 4:50 AM
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Great episode!! Gyro's flashback was good! especially in the black & white aesthetic.
I was gutted to see what happened to Ponzu!! I wasn't expecting it so soon :-(
 
Oct 9, 2013 8:24 AM

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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

ponzu :(
 
Oct 26, 2013 8:19 AM
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FUCKKKKKK,I also always have wondered how the guy with white hair in pokkle's group screamed after being decapitated..
Somebody plz explain!
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Oct 26, 2013 11:42 AM
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Canute said:
FUCKKKKKK,I also always have wondered how the guy with white hair in pokkle's group screamed after being decapitated..
Somebody plz explain!


Think of it more as like the last projections/thoughts his mind was making as he was dying within those milliseconds. I don't think he was truly physically speaking. It was probably what the mangaka did to visualize and make the scene much more intense and place the readers in a state of panic.
 
Oct 27, 2013 12:27 PM

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Man this entire arc is fucking stupid.

Science Fail 100%

Here is my list of errors that annoy the fuck out of me.

> How come those "ants" can talk right after they are born?

It makes no sense. Language is not genetic but has to be learned which takes many many years for a human brain to do.

>Why can Birdguy remember "his" sister and has the traits of the boy he has the genes of?

Genes don't have memories in them. If he just as his genes partially that means nothing. He would still be a chimera of many different animals, but will not have any of their memories. IT MAKES NO SENSE

>Kite says that if the Drugdealers are part of the ants this will be terrible because they are terrible people. But they are terrible people because of their Past, the new born ants don't share their past and thus are just mindless drones and not criminals.

It's basically what I said about the Birdguy. Genes don't have memories of their people in them, they are merely blueprints for anatomy.

And lastely which I ultimately will see comming: Ants will be able to use Nen which took Gon and Killua months to learn but those ants will have it right away, because they get MAGIC genes from their victims.

This is bullshit. I thought HxH was smart to this point with some minor issues here and there. But this writing is straight up nonsense and bullshit.
If you explain something with science, be scientific. If not stick to MAGIC because no one can argue magic!
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Oct 27, 2013 2:09 PM
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^we're dealing with "magical beasts" in this universe with a FICTIONAL biological phenomena called Phagogenesis to which we've only been given a very ROUGH draft of what it is not knowing all that it entails. /facepalm

Don't freak out too much...they've already used a concept similar to this in Assassin's Creed where there's a certain strand in the DNA that collects all the memories of their ancestors. So anyways, it's all fictional (obviously) but it does follow a logical structure created solely for this universe. The moment you try to mesh in our reality with this is when you'll get confused...just like with almost all anime lmao.
 
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^It was never stated that training is the only method of learning Nen.

Anyway, I partially blame the anime for making this arc "seem" stupider to most people than it already did back in the day (because almost everyone felt this way after its first 50 chapters were written around 2005).

For instance, the anime implies that the ants are born with clothes among some other things (mainly for the sake of keeping consistent character models, as if the animators were working on a video game - which is so dumb imo).

Kite brought his license into the NGL despite it having a metal chain attached and whatnot. (Although, that may just be part of the privilege of gaining access to restricted areas.) I would talk a bit more, but this is just episode 80, so I don't want to spoil.
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Oct 27, 2013 7:08 PM

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Man this entire arc is fucking stupid.

Science Fail 100%

Here is my list of errors that annoy the fuck out of me.

> How come those "ants" can talk right after they are born?

It makes no sense. Language is not genetic but has to be learned which takes many many years for a human brain to do.

>Why can Birdguy remember "his" sister and has the traits of the boy he has the genes of?

Genes don't have memories in them. If he just as his genes partially that means nothing. He would still be a chimera of many different animals, but will not have any of their memories. IT MAKES NO SENSE

>Kite says that if the Drugdealers are part of the ants this will be terrible because they are terrible people. But they are terrible people because of their Past, the new born ants don't share their past and thus are just mindless drones and not criminals.

It's basically what I said about the Birdguy. Genes don't have memories of their people in them, they are merely blueprints for anatomy.

And lastely which I ultimately will see comming: Ants will be able to use Nen which took Gon and Killua months to learn but those ants will have it right away, because they get MAGIC genes from their victims.

This is bullshit. I thought HxH was smart to this point with some minor issues here and there. But this writing is straight up nonsense and bullshit.
If you explain something with science, be scientific. If not stick to MAGIC because no one can argue magic!


You're forgetting that the foundation of HxH's battle-system is based upon a key supernatural element: Nen. You'll see that Chimera ants with higher propensity of nen (aura) typically have greater memory of their past lives. Their memory isn't so much tied to the biological implications (phagogensis), but the spiritual implications (nen). Nen, as shown thus far, is the spirit and soul of a life form put to physical form. While this series will often implement scientific foundations and explanations to phenomena occurring in the world, you still must consider that it's a fantasy. I think it meshes the two quite well, for the most part.
 
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Man this entire arc is fucking stupid.

Science Fail 100%

Here is my list of errors that annoy the fuck out of me.

> How come those "ants" can talk right after they are born?

It makes no sense. Language is not genetic but has to be learned which takes many many years for a human brain to do.

>Why can Birdguy remember "his" sister and has the traits of the boy he has the genes of?

Genes don't have memories in them. If he just as his genes partially that means nothing. He would still be a chimera of many different animals, but will not have any of their memories. IT MAKES NO SENSE

>Kite says that if the Drugdealers are part of the ants this will be terrible because they are terrible people. But they are terrible people because of their Past, the new born ants don't share their past and thus are just mindless drones and not criminals.

It's basically what I said about the Birdguy. Genes don't have memories of their people in them, they are merely blueprints for anatomy.

And lastely which I ultimately will see comming: Ants will be able to use Nen which took Gon and Killua months to learn but those ants will have it right away, because they get MAGIC genes from their victims.

This is bullshit. I thought HxH was smart to this point with some minor issues here and there. But this writing is straight up nonsense and bullshit.
If you explain something with science, be scientific. If not stick to MAGIC because no one can argue magic!


Lol you seriously come into an anime expecting it to be fullproof scientific and to the T, I hope you know most of these authors are just bsing this shit out of their ass because no way in hell do they have a bachelors in fucking science. Seriously, these people who write manga in japan can only write because they can draw well not because their story or their fucking scientific knowledge is einstein level. Then you have a few exceptions like oda and togashi that can actually write a decent story to go along with their artistic talents.
 
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@Xvenger

It's one thing to complain about magic. Which I don't.
I complain about the fact that they tried to use Science not Magic to explain these ants.
If you have an explanation which is so lackluster then don't expect the viewer to take it seriously.

Also they explained that Phagogenesis uses the DNA of the killed animal and transplants it to the next generation.
So they either failed at explaining that it actually does copy the entire organism with its memories or they fucked up how DNA works.

So my problem is: Have a better explanation or stick to logic. But don't try to use logic and then make it stupid.

@ShigyC

It was never stated that training is the only method of learning Nen.

No but it would be really cheap if those Ants learn it super fast through they magic DNA. It's basically a slap into the face of all those Hunters who trained for years to gain their abilities.

Also yes good you mention it, they all have clothings, but I didn't mind that too much, though it is stupid.
What is also stupid is the cheer amount of different animals that ant ate. Why is there a cheetah on the island? That makes 0 sense!
Same about pretty much all the other exotic animals.

@Dangerr

You're forgetting that the foundation of HxH's battle-system is based upon a key supernatural element: Nen.

And you're forgetting that just because the show has a supernatural concept in it (which btw has rules explained in the show) isn't a freepass to make whatever the fuck they want about concepts that are actually REAL (as DNA/Genes are).

>typically have greater memory of their past lives.
How is the memory of their past live stored?
Memory is saved in the brain as synapses. When you eat a human and crush the brain it gets destroyed and is forever lost.

>Nen, as shown thus far, is the spirit and soul of a life form put to physical form.

If this is the case I hope they explain that in the next few episodes, because it would be the only logical explanation. (even though it is weird that the queen can eat the nen and breed it into the next ant.)
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Oct 28, 2013 9:23 AM

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@Dangerr

You're forgetting that the foundation of HxH's battle-system is based upon a key supernatural element: Nen.

And you're forgetting that just because the show has a supernatural concept in it (which btw has rules explained in the show) isn't a freepass to make whatever the fuck they want about concepts that are actually REAL (as DNA/Genes are).

>typically have greater memory of their past lives.
How is the memory of their past live stored?
Memory is saved in the brain as synapses. When you eat a human and crush the brain it gets destroyed and is forever lost.

>Nen, as shown thus far, is the spirit and soul of a life form put to physical form.

If this is the case I hope they explain that in the next few episodes, because it would be the only logical explanation. (even though it is weird that the queen can eat the nen and breed it into the next ant.)

I know in actuality that memory is stored in brain synapses. In the series, however, the soul is also component in it (many in real life believe this as well). The bottom line is, just like anything else, it requires a degree of suspension of disbelief. Almost every sci-fi incorporates fantastical elements to make it more interesting, even if it is preposterous; HxH is by no means trying to be 'hard' in this respect. We're supposed to just roll with it and enjoy it. It's a shame if a minor hangup like this stifles your enjoyment of the series, because the real mainstay here in my mind are the characters and writing. The explanation of "phagogenesis" is just an excuse to have an enemy like the chimera ants, while also instilling a sense that there's seemingly tangible epidemic that could wipe out human civilization. Given that most ants have human-based intelligence and memories, it also brings into play the nature of humanity and the Darwinian trait of animal ruthlessness, and how they contrast to one another by beings that possess both. I'm more fascinated by the thematic and narrative implications of such an antagonistic force rather than the scientific means used to describe it, which of course, is preposterous. That doesn't make it any less enjoyable for me.
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Oct 28, 2013 12:33 PM

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suspension of disbelief


I know that. And I normally have that, but this arc just has too many issues so my tolerance/threshold has been overstepped.

It's not just the memory, but also where do all those animals she ate come from?

Like there are some koala hybrids, and lions and what the fuck.
They can't be all on that island, that makes no sense.

That it was an excuse to have hybrid animals was clear to me, but that doesn't make it any better. They could have used a different explanation which works better, or even left an explanation out.
This is just rule of cool.
We do it, not because it makes sense, but because it is cool. Which I find really cheap, and thus far HxH was actually good and never tried to do cheap things.
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Oct 28, 2013 1:56 PM

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It's supposed to be a gigantic nature reserve due to the no tech rule and whatnot. Once again, you're supposed to roll with it. The Koala is probably the one I find the hardest to accept. Because of that I'm willing to let it slide.
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Dec 12, 2013 12:21 PM

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wow despite the massacres in phantom rouge this is def the most brutal arc
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Jan 4, 2014 1:21 PM

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So they brought Ponzu back just to brutally kill her off.......SO MUCH RAGE >:(
 
Jan 5, 2014 5:09 PM

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Togashi must have something against couples.

First, the Eliza lost her dog trainer boyfriend. Second, the old man lost his coma-state lover. Now, Ponzu die, and pokkle is going to be an insect... ><
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I don't think Gyro's backstory is necessary... well at least it was entertaining..

Kurini said:
Togashi must have something against couples.

First, the Eliza lost her dog trainer boyfriend. Second, the old man lost his coma-state lover. Now, Ponzu die, and pokkle is going to be an insect... ><
you sure they're a couple?
 
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I don't think Gyro's backstory is necessary... well at least it was entertaining..
It may seem unnecessary right now in the anime...
That's all I'll say for now.
 
Jan 11, 2014 1:57 PM
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WTF Ponzu...

and those two kids before...

fucking ants...


I like the idea of chimera ants very much, very creative, I feel the need to reiterate how HxH can make the most bizarre things realistic xD One of my favorite premises of all time, instantly.

But at the same time.. f*** them.

Gyro... is he dead or is he an ant now? I don't get why he was here, for the future I guess, good flashback though. Artistic and stuff.
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Man Ponzu.. damn.. Luck is just not on her side.

That flashback, I do hope that it serves a purpose later on. Really great episode (at least the second half) compare to the previous filler episodes.
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Jan 27, 2014 12:15 PM

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Holy crap. Ponzu's death.. so brutal.
 
Jan 31, 2014 6:14 PM
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Nuu the author despises any kind of love story. every time there is a couple or a potential couple he kills them off.
 
Feb 13, 2014 12:46 PM

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Awesome flashback, really well done. I hated Ponzu so I was fine with it.
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Feb 13, 2014 5:35 PM

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Awesome flashback, really well done. I hated Ponzu so I was fine with it.
Makes me glad that this anime went into this arc instead of the old anime - which had actually attempted to make her likable back in the Hunter Exam part.
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Feb 14, 2014 12:58 PM

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GalekC said:
TheArchangles982 said:
Awesome flashback, really well done. I hated Ponzu so I was fine with it.
Makes me glad that this anime went into this arc instead of the old anime - which had actually attempted to make her likable back in the Hunter Exam part.


how'd that happen? Need a refresher
 
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What is there to hate about Ponzu, poor girl got trolled by Gon XD
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What was there to hate about Ponzu, poor girl got trolled by Gon XD

I agree, her hat was cute too.
 
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How'd that happen? Need a refresher
She & Pokkle were determined to help/save everyone in that "battleship" filler. And, when Gon pulled that stunt in the cave, she dragged him out of the snakes' way, and injected him with the anti-venom right away (Instead of just sitting there & waiting for Kurapika to do that. This actually pissed me off when I first saw the 2011 version. XD).

The last we see of her in that TV broadcast is when she lays somewhat of a smack-down on Tonpa.

1999 Ponzu lives on!
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GalekC said:
gedata said:
GalekC said:
How'd that happen? Need a refresher
She & Pokkle were determined to help/save everyone in that "battleship" filler. And, when Gon pulled that stunt in the cave, she dragged him out of the snakes' way, and injected him with the anti-venom right away (Instead of just sitting there & waiting for Kurapika to do that. This actually pissed me off when I first saw this version. XD).

The last we see of her in that TV broadcast is when she lays somewhat of a smack-down on Tonpa.

1999 Ponzu lives on!


I never was particularly fond of 1999's filler, but I really did enjoy that ship part you are talking about. I am re-watching 2011 now but maybe, I will give 99 a go sometime as well. I also haven't even read the manga.
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Great episode.

why all ppl cry " ponzu dead omg omg " when Pokkle ( a guy who shoots a nen bow.. how awesome is that ? ) got kidnaped ?

I couldn't care less about ponzu, I just hope Pokkle doesn't die :( nen archers are cool !!
 
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Orsonius said:
Dangerr said:
suspension of disbelief


I know that. And I normally have that, but this arc just has too many issues so my tolerance/threshold has been overstepped.

It's not just the memory, but also where do all those animals she ate come from?

Like there are some koala hybrids, and lions and what the fuck.
They can't be all on that island, that makes no sense.

That it was an excuse to have hybrid animals was clear to me, but that doesn't make it any better. They could have used a different explanation which works better, or even left an explanation out.
This is just rule of cool.
We do it, not because it makes sense, but because it is cool. Which I find really cheap, and thus far HxH was actually good and never tried to do cheap things.


Lol, first of all it's an anime. Second of all it's a fantasy setting that resembles our world... I mean they have magical beasts in that world who can take human form and talk.... and yet what you found strange is where did they find a koala??? Only in the beginning of hunter exam in 1 forest alone, they had some strange creatures right there.

As for the genes.... Again you seem to mix the fantasy world with our world... It just resembles with our so the anime feels realistic... As if the word phagogenesis exists.... Maybe with the process of phagogenesis not only the genes are transferred but also spiritual energy or Nen too....that might contain some previous life information(memories) or evil/good aura....It's based on a fantasy world and on a fantastic process that just has some similar traits to the real world.... But yet you seem to analyze it as if they introduced real life processes....
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Yea cantius I understand that and you might be right. But at the same time that's not what will be or is important... you are supposed to roll with it and enjoy the story and character development rather than nitpicking things like that. And if you actually start doing so, you should consider rational possibilities that might apply to explain things based on the premise and the context of a story and worldbuilding that it is set on. I mean Togashi maybe didn't go into details to explain how exactly phagogenesis works on the technical side but that is exactly why you should get, that your focus should lie on other stuff and that this is just to roll the story (and as I mentioned it can be explained rationally based on the Hunter world..... Nen and spiritual energy and memories might be transffering too althoug Togashi didn't explain that, it's plausible and believable).

Same applies to Koala bear and other animals.... it might be ridiculous and you might find it irrational but it isn't irrational based on the premise of the world and again we just are asked not to focus on that(that's why it isn't explained)...

The only complain I could think of would be about the clothes for which I can't think a rational explanation but I just roll with it.... it is so small compared to the genius of this arc....
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The only complain I could think of would be about the clothes for which I can't think a rational explanation but I just roll with it.... it is so small compared to the genius of this arc....



The only real clue we have as to how some chimera ants came to acquire their clothes is that the ants bring the human livestock into the nest with their clothes on. We can also safely assume that before chopping them up into meatballs, the clothes are removed from the humans. and IN MY OPINION most chimera probably got their clothes from that pile.

http://i.imgur.com/6G1L1XQ.png

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I think the problem is that the concept Togashi provided hasn't neen divulged enough for the disgruntled to comprehend the sudden changes pervading the Chimera Ants.

It's understandable that they would feel this way but like you said, this is anime. But being realistic and rational can be two separate things of which the latter should be emphasized considering Togashi took the effort to explain "phagogenesis". I guess that the rapidity of the growth and the starkly inane/incongruent appearances taken from a concept revolving around ants is what makes this outlandish. Case in point, that koala bear. Like seriously?



The ant queen set up her nest in NGL.it been said by pokkle and kite In episode 78 (or79 i forget) that NGL is one BIG nature reserve, thats has a lot of animals/magical beast etc... And even a whole lot more which haven't been discovered yet by hunters. So putting the pieces together it really shouldn't be that strange for there to be a koala bear and other uncommon species of animals that got fed to the queen and had their genes passed into the chimera ants.
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diivil said:
The only real clue we have as to how some chimera ants came to acquire their clothes is that the ants bring the human livestock into the nest with their clothes on. We can also safely assume that before chopping them up into meatballs, the clothes are removed from the humans. and IN MY OPINION most chimera probably got their clothes from that pile.

http://i.imgur.com/6G1L1XQ.png

I think you're right, as that's indicated from the upper part of this page here:

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diivil said:
The only real clue we have as to how some chimera ants came to acquire their clothes is that the ants bring the human livestock into the nest with their clothes on. We can also safely assume that before chopping them up into meatballs, the clothes are removed from the humans. and IN MY OPINION most chimera probably got their clothes from that pile.

http://i.imgur.com/6G1L1XQ.png

I think you're right, as that's indicated from the upper part of this page here:

http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/08/10/h/read4e42610db4bc3/08.jpg

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Neferpitou was born with clothes though
That was an anime-only scene. As I've said before, the anime producers just like to keep consistent character models.
(Similar to what goes on with video game character models.)
 
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Ponzu :(
 
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Too fucking disturbing IMO....

This series really shouldn't be a shounen with this shit going on...
 
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Dang the mangaka is cruel! I really didn't think the green haired girl would die too ;_; why didn't Killua and Gon realized it was her from the bees and her hat? ><

When they showed Gyro's flashbacks I thought he'd died.. are we gonna see his face at all?

I don't think the Nen abilities should be passed on though a gene riight???

Btw it's funny that that winged guy said Reina and that's the lil sis' name, because that translates as Queen from Spanish~ Coincidence, I think not~
 
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Poor Ponzu. Wasn't expecting her to die.
 
Apr 23, 2014 9:33 PM

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Why did Ponzu have to die :(
 
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I didn't feel too well watching this episode. The cheerful battle BGM playing while moe Pike was chomping the random guy's head off and Pokkle was struggling to stay alive made the whole scene even more disturbing imo. I'm like a 100% sure he's gonna die and pass on his Nen abilities to the future generation of Ants, but that's just a guess. Poor Pokkle :(

And damn, not Ponzu too ! Fuck you Togashi.

On a side note, the flashback sequence was splendid. Great visuals, fine music, and them feels. Managed to make me care for Gyro without ever being shown his face. Great job, Madhouse.
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And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
 
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So what was the point of introducing a dead guy?
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Jun 22, 2014 10:24 AM

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first good ep in a while, since Yorknew actually
gotta say though some of these death scenes are among the funniest ones ive seen since Another
 
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Dark backstory.
I really liked that green haired girl.
How could it possibly take a turn for the worst.
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Noooooo! Ponzu and Pokkle... Dx

I don't want to picture it getting worse than this. Ponzu was one of my favorite side characters. </3

I hope Gon and Kil kick butt. I get the feeling Pokkle will end up giving the Ants nen abilities.
 
Jul 16, 2014 7:14 PM
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Ponzu ;___;

 
Aug 11, 2014 4:07 AM

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FUCKING HELL WHY DID PONZU HAVE TO BE EATEN BY THAT MOTHERFUCKER?! Goddamn this anime is getting really fucking brutal.

 
Aug 11, 2014 4:08 AM

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Suddenly it's like all the plot armor has dropped to 0

 
Aug 13, 2014 1:47 PM

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That Gyro backstory was so powerful. And damn, I was really hoping Pokkle wouldn't die, even if I already knew of Ponzu's death. He had a cool ability :(

All the build-up in this arc is really beautiful
 
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