| Something like if the whole world was one big Hunger Game, nothing is more just than natural selection. |
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SlothNamakemono said: Something like if the whole world was one big Hunger Game, nothing is more just than natural selection. is Capitalism (winners takes all and losers takes nothing) not enough natural selection (or suvival of the fittest) for you? Capitalism economy is a prime example of Social Darwinism |
Chusaki said: A just society is a society where no people reside in. ♥ HAHA therefore there exists no just society. |
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j0x said: SlothNamakemono said: Something like if the whole world was one big Hunger Game, nothing is more just than natural selection. is Capitalism (winners takes all and losers takes nothing) not enough natural selection (or suvival of the fittest) for you? Capitalism economy is a prime example of Social Darwinism I agree. There is nothing more just than a capitalistic society where those with the capabilities to survive will survive. A society which must give handicaps to weaker members of society (Government subsidies for example) is no longer just; after all, it's not "just" to give certain people handicaps is it? This society, however, cannot exist. It is theoretically impossible to isolate the entire population and have them work together at the same time or even stagnate human development. In other words, you can't have a society which does not interact with its fellow members; this is a key measure which ensures an entirely just, no handicap, society. |
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| My idea of justice? Why, a society where I can exact judgement upon the sinful by writing their names down in my magical notebook of death, of course! Ahem. Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I find it very interesting that a lot of people are of the opinion that a just society = an equal society where everybody starts off on the same footing. The thing with that is that some people do deserve to get more than others because they've worked harder, so a simple redistribution of resources wouldn't be very just in that sense. As for capitalism being just, I'm no economics student but the way I see it, how can that system be just when power and resources are, for the most part, being redistributed to a small elite of people based mostly on which family they were lucky enough to be born from? A child from a poor village in Africa can work twice as much as the eldest son of an oil mogul, but he will always get less for his work. His resources just aren't up to par. I have tried to twist that so many ways in my head, but no matter how hard I try I just can't see it to be just. So I guess to start with, my idea of a just society would be one where similar types of labour are worth the same amount regardless of where a person is from. Of course there will be problems in determining what type of labour to group with what, and what forms of labour are worth more than others, and they would have to be worked out, but if all complexities were magically resolved then that would be a good start, in my opinion. |
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JustALEX said: dankickyou said: Godplayer said: Society without religion. Communists? Isn't Russia and Cuba very catholic? There's so much wrong with your question. |
MellowJello said: TonyTin said: Then make one.There's no such thing as a just society. My idea of a "just" society? Free food, free water, free housing, free higher education, and free public transportation for all. If the society can manage to make those (and probably a few others) free, then everything else should work itself out. Who builds the houses? Who grows the food? Who provides the transportation? Sounds a little idealistic to me. You know "utopia" comes from a word that means "no place" in greek. The book "Utopia" is probably the best thing I've read on the topic. The narrarator's name means "dispenser of nonsense" and it's a satirical advocation of an idealistic society. It's just against human nature and a society like that could never exist. |
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3nvy said: Robots.MellowJello said: TonyTin said: Then make one.There's no such thing as a just society. My idea of a "just" society? Free food, free water, free housing, free higher education, and free public transportation for all. If the society can manage to make those (and probably a few others) free, then everything else should work itself out. Who builds the houses? Who grows the food? Who provides the transportation? Sounds a little idealistic to me. You know "utopia" comes from a word that means "no place" in greek. The book "Utopia" is probably the best thing I've read on the topic. The narrarator's name means "dispenser of nonsense" and it's a satirical advocation of an idealistic society. It's just against human nature and a society like that could never exist. |
| My idea of a just society is where people are actually equal |
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MellowJello said: 3nvy said: Robots.MellowJello said: TonyTin said: Then make one.There's no such thing as a just society. My idea of a "just" society? Free food, free water, free housing, free higher education, and free public transportation for all. If the society can manage to make those (and probably a few others) free, then everything else should work itself out. Who builds the houses? Who grows the food? Who provides the transportation? Sounds a little idealistic to me. You know "utopia" comes from a word that means "no place" in greek. The book "Utopia" is probably the best thing I've read on the topic. The narrarator's name means "dispenser of nonsense" and it's a satirical advocation of an idealistic society. It's just against human nature and a society like that could never exist. yep automation is the future, 3D printing in the near term and in the far future Replicators can achieve Utopia (but only if we have solve the overpopulation to not worsen scarcity) |
MellowJello said: But some asshole is going to create an organization similar to "PETA". Except it has to deal with robots. An obsessive fetishist will probably add emotion to robots and make it his robot girlfriend. Several members of society will think that adding personality to robots will be for the better, specifically, "RETA" members, robot fetishists, and children who desperately want playmates. Robots will begin to display emotions, scientists will continue to try and create the human emotion in robots because well, they're getting paid by the people who want it. As robots exhibit human emotions, they will also learn about our human history. History such as slavery, the end of slavery, human's will to laziness which creates robots. And well... We get a robot uprising. GG just society. Because it'll be just for the robots instead.3nvy said: Robots.MellowJello said: TonyTin said: Then make one.There's no such thing as a just society. My idea of a "just" society? Free food, free water, free housing, free higher education, and free public transportation for all. If the society can manage to make those (and probably a few others) free, then everything else should work itself out. Who builds the houses? Who grows the food? Who provides the transportation? Sounds a little idealistic to me. You know "utopia" comes from a word that means "no place" in greek. The book "Utopia" is probably the best thing I've read on the topic. The narrarator's name means "dispenser of nonsense" and it's a satirical advocation of an idealistic society. It's just against human nature and a society like that could never exist. And yes, my name is Frankenstein. HUAWHEFODAWFDSAFWSFALHLHFLAD |
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| One in which the state does not exist. One where all hierarchies are voluntary. |
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| Where there are tons more policemen and anti-social behaviour should be dealt with using extreme torture |
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| Do unto others as you would have done to yourself. A just society would lack a central government or any large concentration of power, instead communities would be organized locally at a grassroots level. Workers would not be separated from the fruits of their labour and children would not grow up to be molded into capitalist robots. Education would revert to humanization instead of its current role as a system of socialization. There would be a shared recognition that we are all humans and any attempt to dehumanize or vilify a whole group of people would be marred by humanist ideals. People would be able to live the way they wanted to live, nobody would have to worry about starving, opportunities would exist for people of all walks of life, communities would act as one big family. |
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| Hard to imagine, but I'll go with a society where people respect the earth and other species. /hippy HiddenVoice said: Oh God. Where there are tons more policemen and anti-social behaviour should be dealt with using extreme torture apatch3 said: This, as well. On a superficial level. Do unto others as you would have done to yourself. |
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apatch3 said: nobody would have to worry about starving Some people deserve to starve though, no? |
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QueenJenny said: apatch3 said: nobody would have to worry about starving Some people deserve to starve though, no? Well, if they're able bodied and they refuse to do any sort of work, or contribute to society in any meaningful way, then yes, but they should always have the opportunity to save themselves from starvation and put their faculties to use. |
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apatch3 said: QueenJenny said: apatch3 said: nobody would have to worry about starving Some people deserve to starve though, no? Well, if they're able bodied and they refuse to do any sort of work, or contribute to society in any meaningful way, then yes, but they should always have the opportunity to save themselves from starvation and put their faculties to use. You know, contributing to society really is overrated, besides from paying taxes you shouldn't have to feel like you are obligated to do anymore unless you want to. Society is really a big fishy eat small fishy thingy, that's why rich people avoid (not evade) paying one more cent of taxes than they can get away with. It's all really just a game to see who gets the most monopoly money before it ends, everyone just plays the game whilst breaking and bending the "rules" here and there, hence you have people who lie about disabilities to get their well deserved cheques. In an ideal world with fairies (not talking about Boku no Pico fans) and rainbows where everyone actually cares or even semi-cares about their neighbour then we should start contributing. Communism (it's relevant) failed because the baker does not sell bread to feed the hungry but sells it to feed himself. |
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SlothNamakemono said: Contributing to what end? This is all very funny. Assume there is an utopia world where everyone is equal in every way, and everyone has a machine that tells them the exact state where it becomes equal. Does that then mean that everyone stops caring about their neighbors when equality is reached? If not, then it proves that equality cannot be the idealistic end goal.In an ideal world with fairies (not talking about Boku no Pico fans) and rainbows where everyone actually cares or even semi-cares about their neighbour then we should start contributing. |
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| Hmm I don't think a truly just society could exist. It's a great idea but there are way too many people with prejudices against others and that's not going anywhere anytime soon.. Sure it's gotten a lot better but we still have a long way to go.. Of course we could have a society like in the movie Equilibrium but that didn't end so well... You'd need to brainwash people to make it happen because there are always going to be people favored over others as unfortunate as that is :/ |
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Chakaara said: Doesn't exist. We can't make one. Just open your eyes, if we could make a perfect society, it probably would've been made. This. There will always be assholes, idiots and douches in this world, that's why I think something like that will never happen. Just the simple thing as a different oppinion makes it harder. |
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katsucats said: SlothNamakemono said: Contributing to what end? This is all very funny. Assume there is an utopia world where everyone is equal in every way, and everyone has a machine that tells them the exact state where it becomes equal. Does that then mean that everyone stops caring about their neighbors when equality is reached? If not, then it proves that equality cannot be the idealistic end goal.In an ideal world with fairies (not talking about Boku no Pico fans) and rainbows where everyone actually cares or even semi-cares about their neighbour then we should start contributing. Huh, that kinda reminds me of the human instrumentality project. Contributing to an end huh.. beats me, I was just saying I would be more likely to contribute to society with some actual endeavour if I knew that the society I was part of would actually look after me in earnest, then I'd consider it. And that's why I was saying since nobody in society actually gives a fuck neither should/will I. |
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| Obviously,where everyone would be free to do what they want,would even have the freedom to get executed when they not like my dictature xD.No but now seriously this might be a very hard question cuz you know every human life is important but on other hand humans tend to be selfish creatures so idk rly the question but IMO all we need is just smart leaders and the will of the people to make everything the best as possible.Maybe we should consider asking Light Yagami and Lelouch :) |
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| While equality would be good in many ways, I don't think it would be right when it comes to finances. Does that mean people who have worked for what they've earned lose it just because they're wealthier than others? Why should someone who's never worked a day in their life by choice have the same amount of money as someone who's worked for decades? One thing that really bothers me about our current society is that people can become famous and receive lots of money for doing virtually nothing. Some examples, Kim Kardashian and the cast of Jersey Shore. One became known for a sex tape and the others for partying. Meanwhile, there's soldiers,doctors, lawyers, police and many others who provide a much more important service that get paid less than 5% of what these people get. I think a society based on actual action would be more just. Those who work for it get rewarded and those who don't are encouraged to work. Those who do better than others move up in the world quicker and not because of their appearances or background. |
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DengekiHime said: My idea of a just society is where people are actually equal You need to define equality and explain how it would manifest itself. |
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3nvy said: I asked this before, but out of curiosity again: If everyone becomes equal, then wouldn't it create unequality when I give someone a birthday present and they don't give one of equal value back?DengekiHime said: My idea of a just society is where people are actually equal You need to define equality and explain how it would manifest itself. |
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katsucats said: 3nvy said: I asked this before, but out of curiosity again: If everyone becomes equal, then wouldn't it create unequality when I give someone a birthday present and they don't give one of equal value back?DengekiHime said: My idea of a just society is where people are actually equal You need to define equality and explain how it would manifest itself. No since it's the thought that counts. |
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| I'm gonna be pessimistic and say that I don't really think it's possible for a just society to exist in reality. The only time there will ever be a just society is in an imaginary "perfect" world. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, I just don't think it exists. That being said, my image of a perfect world is kind of like this: First thing is that money no longer exists. I think that money is the bane of today's society, so, logically, in my ideal world, I would eliminate it. Instead of money, I imagine that people would work together to meet their needs. Kind of like the barter system, but idealized? Like, you would produce what you can and then trade for what you need. People would take care of each other. Kind of like Communism, I guess, but idealized to the point where it actually works, I guess. As for education, everyone would be given equal opportunities. Teachers would be held to a higher standard, as would the students, and everyone would have to meet that standard. College would also be an open option for everyone. No more of this BS where you go to college only to end up thousands of dollars in debt. Also, no more war--obviously... And as for crime, well, that's hard to say. Honestly, the way I would handle that is probably coming up with a proper amount of time served in prison for your crimes--and prisons wouldn't have the luxuries that modern prisons have. None of that BS like air conditioning, cable television and schooling for criminals. They'd get the bare minimum, and some crimes--like rape or murder--would be punishable by death, with none of the stupidity in today's justice system like appeals boards, etc. |
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SlothNamakemono said: But it offsets equality.katsucats said: No since it's the thought that counts.3nvy said: I asked this before, but out of curiosity again: If everyone becomes equal, then wouldn't it create unequality when I give someone a birthday present and they don't give one of equal value back?DengekiHime said: My idea of a just society is where people are actually equal You need to define equality and explain how it would manifest itself. |
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katsucats said: SlothNamakemono said: But it offsets equality.katsucats said: No since it's the thought that counts.3nvy said: I asked this before, but out of curiosity again: If everyone becomes equal, then wouldn't it create unequality when I give someone a birthday present and they don't give one of equal value back?DengekiHime said: My idea of a just society is where people are actually equal You need to define equality and explain how it would manifest itself. Ya, I don't believe equality can or ever will exist, I don't even see a point in it besides it would be way boring everything being equal and all. |
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