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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Oh wow, that scene at the bookstore was just... Lol @ the water this episode. But seriously, Nakamura is just weird: |
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| This show isn't gonna get very far with the pace it's going at. Just how much manga did they plan to cover like this... |
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 I like the pacing so far. It seems that the director is going for a mood piece with heavy reliance on the atmosphere, so rushing through the source material wouldn't make sense. I can see why people are worried that some key scenes might won't get covered due to the slow pace, though. To the episode itself, I didn't expect Kasuga to defend Nakamura. Prior to that he was mostly depicted as an awkward, self-delusional (claiming that his love is entirely pure while sniffing the clothes of his crush) teenager, who is both mentally and physically weaker than Nakamra and thus an easy object for her to toy with. Judging by Nakamura's expression his reaction caught her off-guard as well, although it's not entirely clear what's going on in her head. It's obvious though that she feels just as repressed by her environment as Kasuga. Intrestingly, it's the second time now that due to a situation caused by Nakamura Saeki took notice of Kasuga, who would have been to wimpy to get in contact with her otherwise. |
EudaimoniaApr 20, 2013 9:34 AM
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bippo said: 5layer said: Season 2.This show isn't gonna get very far with the pace it's going at. Just how much manga did they plan to cover like this... "Coitus interruptus" |
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Stark700 said: Yeah... creepy. And wow... Kasuga is such a wimp. |
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bastek66 said: Save me, Baudelaire! |
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bastek66 said: Feminism crossed the line! |
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bippo said: 5layer said: Season 2.This show isn't gonna get very far with the pace it's going at. Just how much manga did they plan to cover like this... "Hey, you remember Aku no hana?" "That show that sold like shit? " "Yes, that one. We should make a 2nd season of it!" "Amazing idea!" |
| @ rederoin Hahahaha. And let the butthurting continue :) People like you need more lessons like this. Also who told you its going for disc sales, its obvious its primary goal its ratings. } So are you and your colleagues continue this till the end of the anime, I dont agree with labeling -most- people as haters but people like you are the very definition of a hater, we heard you loud and clear already, just drop it and go watch and discuss some moe or yuri instead, otherwise what shallowness if you will keep it up until the last episode. |
| Takao is scarred for life. |
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9988 said: To be honest, I am not really sure it is their primary goal. If anything I would say it is the manga sales that is the primary goal. At the end ratings only matter when you use it to get good CM sponsor but so far I do not see it has any sponsor that is not the usual sponsors from the anime/manga industry usually found in late night anime.@ rederoin Hahahaha. And let the butthurting continue :) People like you need more lessons like this. Also who told you its going for disc sales, its obvious its primary goal its ratings. } |
symbvApr 19, 2013 12:19 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
9988 said: @ rederoin Hahahaha. And let the butthurting continue :) People like you need more lessons like this. Also who told you its going for disc sales, its obvious its primary goal its ratings. } So are you and your colleagues continue this till the end of the anime, I dont agree with labeling -most- people as haters but people like you are the very definition of a hater, we heard you loud and clear already, just drop it and go watch and discuss some moe or yuri instead, otherwise what shallowness if you will keep it up until the last episode. I'm not buthurt. And what did you base your conclusion of it going for ratings on? I'm actually enjoying this, so its kinda obvious who the butthurt one is here. |
| THERE COULD BE LEGAL PROBLEMS WITH YOU VIEWING EPISODE 3 OF AKU NO HANA DEPENDING ON THE LAWS IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY. CHECK TO BE SURE. My episode review: Wow ! I know that many of you will very skillfully and systematically enumerate all of the things that are wrong with this episode. While I think this is worthwhile and look forward to reading your comments, I think it is also of interest, kind of as a challenge, to try to spot the few things that are done very well. In particular, they have done some things which seem to me to be profound achievements in the history of animation in general, not just anime in Japan. Will this push the Volume 1 BD/DVD sales above 35000 ? We'll have to wait to find out. |
okanaganApr 20, 2013 2:51 AM
| I'm never going to get used to that opening. The water seemed... out of place.. |
rederoin said: 9988 said: @ rederoin Hahahaha. And let the butthurting continue :) People like you need more lessons like this. Also who told you its going for disc sales, its obvious its primary goal its ratings. } So are you and your colleagues continue this till the end of the anime, I dont agree with labeling -most- people as haters but people like you are the very definition of a hater, we heard you loud and clear already, just drop it and go watch and discuss some moe or yuri instead, otherwise what shallowness if you will keep it up until the last episode. I'm not buthurt. And what did you base your conclusion of it going for ratings on? I'm actually enjoying this, so its kinda obvious who the butthurt one is here. Ahh, good to know, wonder what you would say if you were not liking it then... Ratings: Disc buyers are predictable in good percentage, the director was aware of the negative reactions and that the hardcore fanbase would not really buy this most likely, then you have the good time slot fit for ratings: 10 pm friday @ animax. So for me at the least its more evident that its going for ratings, primarily at least, disc sales second. |
9988 said: The thing is 10pm is still considered a late night timeslot though it should be easier to get audience than, say, a 2am show. That said, Aku no Hana is not the only anime airing between 10pm and 11pm. We also have Hataraku Maousama, Majestic Prince and (gasp) Samurai Bride (two being aired on Thursday and the last being aired on Friday). I guess that means they are also going for ratings then?then you have the good time slot fit for ratings: 10 pm friday @ animax. So for me at the least its more evident that its going for ratings, primarily at least, disc sales second. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: That said, Aku no Hana is not the only anime airing between 10pm and 11pm. We also have Hataraku Maousama, Majestic Prince and (gasp) Samurai Bride (two being aired on Thursday and the last being aired on Friday). I guess that means they are also going for ratings then? Yes. So? 10 pm is not considered late night at all, in case of Aku no Hana it shows us that it does not need to rely 100% on disc sales, for the series yo cite, can you say they have 0 interest in ratings and rely 100% of disc sales then? Lets play your usual game, show me irrefutable proof that Aku no Hana does not want ratings and its relying 100% on disc sales, and likewise show me irrefutable proof that Samurai Girls, Hataraku and Majestic Princes dont want some ratigins either, then I will shut up, otherwise your -also- conjectures cannot debunk mine either. Just like you guess that Hataraku, Majestic and Samurai G. could not go for ratings due to its nature (this kind of anime goes for disc sales) I also guess that the creators (of AnH)are not idiots to anticipate the negativity and hate of the hardcore fanbase (disc byers) and would still rely 100% on disc sales. It always amuses me that your conjectures, guesses and logic is always right and can debunk any other arguments but never the other way around. I cannot prove Aku no Hana goes for ratings first and disc sales second,hence I say "for me its evident", but so cant you irrefutably affirm the contrary. symbv said: The thing is 10pm is still considered a late night timeslot though it should be easier to get audience than, say, a 2am show. Yes thank you. This translates that even with the 1000 or 2000 disc sales some of you mention, with the ratings primarily or in second level of importance, they can even and or help each other profits wise. So no, as we dont have rating leaks (save for top 10) the disc sales data alone will never be enough to irrefutable say Aku No Hana was a failure commercially wise in case it sells mere 1000/2000 discs. So again, those hating and finding comfort with the probably low disc sales should think twice before labeling this or anticipating it as "failure". |
9988Apr 19, 2013 2:55 PM
| THERE COULD BE LEGAL PROBLEMS WITH YOU VIEWING EPISODE 3 OF AKU NO HANA DEPENDING ON THE LAWS IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY. CHECK TO BE SURE. The scene in the library from 09:50 to 10:35 is an unprecedented technical and artistic accomplishment in animation, and I am not restricting my statement here to Japanese anime alone. Here, we finally see the director make full use of the capabilities of the animation method. I am pretty sure that they were using 24 frames per second.* That is the same as classic Disney animation in the 1940s. Note that Japanese anime is normally just 12 frames per second. Also, it is well known that the majority of the rotoscoping in Aku no Hana was done at 8 frames per second. Watching this calls us back to the classic 1937 rotoscoping of Snow White playing with the birds. In the short scene, fine details are lovingly yet accurately captured such as the plastic buttons bouncing in a physically realistic manner off the floor. From my point of view, this single 45 seconds will give Aku no Hana a place in animation history as a notable example. By the way, 45 seconds at 24 frames per second is 1080 frames. Normally, an entire 30-minute episode requires 5000 frames. So the director made an artistic decision to spend a very large fraction of the episode budget on only 3% of the time. In any other circumstances, anybody would question the wisdom of doing that. In this case, he nailed it. What did you see in those 45 seconds? It was not what you thought you saw. Again, we finally see the genius of the director revealed. It took two and a half episodes to get to this point, with many viewers being lost along the way. As a result, all of these people are going to want to see this scene in the highest quality format that is available. So there is going to be some commercial demand for volume 1 of the BD/DVD. In addition, I forsee this scene as something that is going to be played and replayed for years in university classes on the history of animation. Repeatedly, this show screams at the viewer to be repulsed by its darkness, cynicism, pessimism, abusiveness and ugliness. Yet a close examination reveals that this is not carelessness, laziness, lack of money or lack of competence. Rather, each frame must be examined one-by-one to reveal the depth of thought and creativity in this once- in-a-decade masterpiece. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - References: http://www.crunchyroll.ca/anime-news/2011/10/30-1/how-much-does-one-episode-of-anime-cost-to-make http://altairandvega.wordpress.com/2013/04/13/aku_no_hana_animation/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_animation * Thank you to the person who checked very carefully and found out that they were using a maximum of 12 fps, but were also using some motion blurring to compensate for the limited frame rate. |
okanaganApr 20, 2013 2:52 AM
| lol I wondered how they would animate that scene, funny as hell. |
Man. This episode was both disappointing and hilarious. The gym clothing scene was unbearably awkward. |
Vannayuki said: Mission accomplished.The gym clothing scene was unbearably awkward. |
9988 said: Why do you bring TV rating when animax is paid channel. Your whole though process about ratings is completely wrong. And yes, they have ZERO interest in sales of discs becasue they pulled such shitty animation and style for adaptation. |
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| I'm really sorry to be the person to say this, but.......... Subs where? T_T Did the subbers drop it because people hated it or something? (Sorry, I've just been looking forward to this episode all week) |
9988 said: Any anime that is shown about the "golden hour" that ends in 9pm hour slot is "late night". If 10pm is not late night, is it early night then? Yes. So? 10 pm is not considered late night at all 9988 said: I never said Aku no Hana wants to rely on disc sales, but I do not see how you could then draw the conclusion that its primary goal is only for the ratings. As basketk66 said above, bringing TV rating in a paid cable channel like Animax is just odd. in case of Aku no Hana it shows us that it does not need to rely 100% on disc sales, for the series yo cite, can you say they have 0 interest in ratings and rely 100% of disc sales then? 9988 said: Well, if you argue that just because an anime is shown in 10pm time slots, then all the anime that is aired in the same time slots should follow your logic and then go only for TV ratings then, right? What make you so certain? If anything, shows like Majestic Prince is aired on network TV and so I presume it makes it even more likely to be one of your "don't care about disc sales, care about TV rating" anime then? Lets play your usual game, show me irrefutable proof that Aku no Hana does not want ratings and its relying 100% on disc sales, and likewise show me irrefutable proof that Samurai Girls, Hataraku and Majestic Princes dont want some ratigins either, then I will shut up, otherwise your -also- conjectures cannot debunk mine either. 9988 said: It is more about how you just jump to conclusion on things that is based on your faith and belief systems instead of actual facts. "For you it is evident", perhaps, but please don't throw it around like it is some true facts because what is evident to you can be just delusion resulted from your deep bias.It always amuses me that your conjectures, guesses and logic is always right and can debunk any other arguments but never the other way around. I cannot prove Aku no Hana goes for ratings first and disc sales second,hence I say "for me its evident", but so cant you irrefutably affirm the contrary. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
5layer said: This show isn't gonna get very far with the pace it's going at. Just how much manga did they plan to cover like this... My bet is they'll cover until chapter 15, with this pace. |
| I develop an interest in Baudelaire. I need more literary enthusiasts in anime. |
| It is not total victory that I crave, but finding ground that reasonable consensus can be reached while rejecting far-fetched and prejudiced views. I think our discussions on the reviews and positioning in ANN reflect that I debate with as much interest to reach consensus as well. I have already argued why TV ratings is not likely to be the primary goal, at the very beginning, when I said it is useful only to attract rich sponsors if the goal is not to sell more discs but I do not see any particularly special sponsors for this show. As I said earlier, the main target is to raise awareness (which I already said can be considered successful) and then to sell the manga (which we have no data to reach any conclusion yet). As for TV ratings on cable channel, it is a side point anyway, but it is also something worth pointing out. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| ahmed_great2005 wrote: Seriously,I can draw character designs better than tht... By far, the major complaint that people have about Aku no Hana is "bad character design". This is the result from the thread with the poll called "How can Aku no Hana be improved? (suggest a change)" |
 And that has been my report on the rampancy of raging hormones on mentally unstable school girls. Ponytails N. Sideburns reporting live from [redacted]. |
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Orix said: And that has been my report on the rampancy of raging hormones on mentally unstable school girls. Ponytails N. Sideburns reporting live from [redacted]. haha i dont think she or he is going to go away. i mean she or he is part of the class, no? i do wonder how many episodes until someone finally realize "i've been saying the art in this anime sucks in every episode thread" greatest example of hope i guess. its far more ridiculous to keep hoping the art is going to get better on the next episode. |
| "....i am the villain in this story" |
i do wonder how many episodes until someone finally realize "i've been saying the art in this anime sucks in every episode thread" I've been sharing the same sentiments, actually. But instead of raging about it, I've decided to make fun of it. At least I'm not destroying my good mood over character designs that I clearly don't like. :> |
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| In this episode we saw at least one excellent character design ! Check out the lady, about age 40, on the street, and she had this fantastic looking Mexican-style moustache ! The camera spent a minimum of 15 seconds clearly showing her, so you can get a very good look. Some ladies have moustaches. I am NOT criticizing by any means ! Kassandra22 wrote: this is the best anime of the season I would correct this to, "This is the best anime of the season of this genre." |
okanaganApr 19, 2013 11:30 PM
kassandra22 said: But the author drew it in that style, right? It is hard to imagine that the author drew it in that style while thinking that it does not fit what he wants to express.the MOE-ish style of the manga doesn't quite fit what the author wants to express |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| kasuga prett much got raped by a girl this ep. it has been a downward spiral since ep1 and i dont feel like this is going to end well. still loving and enjoying art and animation style. anime is sure different but entertaining. 5/5 |
| kasuga prett much got raped by a girl this ep. I expect in the next episode he is going to go to the police and press charges against Nakamura for "sexual assault". From what I saw, she did not actually rape him. But it was a serious crime nevertheless. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault I am very, very curious what kind of reaction he would get from the police if he actually tried to do that. |
okanaganApr 19, 2013 11:44 PM
Nakamura is crazy lol and damn this two are comedy material |
| Why the fudge is Kasuga holding a Pink Floyd book in those last few moments? He gave up on Baudelaire and opened up to Gilmour? You are talking about the book with the prism picture. That book is titled "Science Fiction Novels in Other Countries". Sorry, not Pink Floyd ! Just noticed: Subbed version has just been posted ! |
okanaganApr 19, 2013 11:55 PM
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