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| I get a feeling that they only give good reviews for Aku no Hana, only because Aku no Hana is "different", not because it's actually good or has something worth to watch You can't trust most of ANN's reviews |
| I usually like different and artsy type shows, so I thought I would give this a try based on ANN's reviews. Well, I don't quite see what they liked about it. The animation is a little off, which is I'm sure intentional but I'm not for sure the sketchiness adds to the maximum impact. I found myself appreciating the background art, writing, and music more. I really want to get more of a feel of the story/narrative though. It's too early to call it shit or a masterpiece in my opinion. I'll check out the next couple episodes and see what I think then. I like the psychological vibes though. I don't know. I just don't get it yet. I'm just not getting those feelings I had with other shows like Suisei no Gargantia or Shingeki no Kyojin. |
| ANN being stuck-up bastards, what's different? |
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Suzie said: Yeah, it's not a horror though~ And sadly the director got his wish of controversy granted. *sigh* I feel betrayed as a viewer AND as a hater. lol. But man that director guy sure loves to think he's all deep and misunderstood and stuff. I almost want to say 2deep4u... fuuu I couldn't help myself *_* It is hipster director of the century though. I can't help but forgive him for Mushishi though. |
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| Wait I don't get it. Do they get like some sort of prescreening or something? Isn't only one episode out? How can they call it a masterpiece with only seeing the first episode? |
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| Based ANN: immune to Hate Hypes |
| In 9/10 cases, the worst thing about an anime is its fandom. |
Nucksen said: Based ANN: immune to Hate Hypes Immune to an education in writing and journalism too. |
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Red_Keys said: Wait I don't get it. Do they get like some sort of prescreening or something? Isn't only one episode out? How can they call it a masterpiece with only seeing the first episode? Its probbaly the feeling, the vibes, either they are right or wrong, no big deal. Never trust any reviews thou, much less from "professionals", trust your instincts or better to get feedback and exchange opinions with fans. As you get more experience you kind of "feel" it, you watch something and the whole experience you get is that it can become a masterpiece, of course, its too adventurous to call it with the first ep thou. I can see where they are coming thou, I also feel that this could be very interesting, since the anime is trying to make its won totally different version who know, maybe a masterpiece, this definitely gives me the vibes, if they become true or not is another story, from the story alone I have my doubts about the masterpiece thing EXCEPT if they change the story somehow as the did the visual style. That you have a capable director, acclaimed for the masterpiece Mushishi, it enhances the chances. |
Red_Keys said: Do they get like some sort of prescreening or something? Isn't only one episode out? How can they call it a masterpiece with only seeing the first episode? Same like people calling it the biggest trainwreck and worst anime ever made. |
 "Your sight, my delight. Will you marry me?" |
| as if the ratings on this site are accurate doubt this isn't the worst anime ever either |
| What the hell is anime news network and why do I care... |
| sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds |
KuRiZenT said: They're just kidding I guess XD giving 9 to deathnote says aku no hana being good it's a joke. seems legit no? seriously,watch more or less anime doesn't give you the rights to rate an anime in a way or another and pretend to have said the absolute(this is a general people talk),even more for anime and mangas like aku no hana,kaiji,akagi,i'm a hero etc... to be honest,i think it's more about psycology,phyilosophy and sense of art. it's pretty much obviious then that someone who watches only k-on animes would rate something like these bad and give to shit like, i dunno,horizon, great scores,right? |
yunochi said: they always review good anime with low score like they did with madoka, sao, guilty crown,, They gave Madoka (the full series) a very good score. SAO and Guilty Crown are shit. |
Orsonius said: Good read. Really gave me another push towards loving it even more. I am really excited about the show. I showed it to my friends who are not much into anime (one even doesn't like it). They all liked it a lot and the one who said he doesn't wanna watch anime even considered watching it. It just tells you that this is not just your generic show you get every season and that'S why I like it. You are not alone! Loved it and proud :)) And also got a friend to watch it, who doesn't ever watch anime. So as a production, itself, it's definitely good, it just hit bad on the pure anime fans, who are mainly troubled by the animation. |
| The ones who hate it just because of unusual animation style are quite pathetic. |
TimeTravel_0 said: The ones who hate it just because of unusual animation style are quite pathetic. The ones who love it just because of unusual animation style are quite pathetic. |
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| I love how that Rebecca Silverman reviewer in ANN is basically saying she didn't like the episode, but gives it a masterpiece rating for the sake of hipsterism. Other than that, it's fine and all. |
TallonKarrde23 said: TimeTravel_0 said: The ones who hate it just because of unusual animation style are quite pathetic. The ones who love it just because of unusual animation style are quite pathetic. I doubt there was anyone so silly as to imply he/she likes it ONLY because of the animation. But checking the qq thread it seems most arguments against it revolve solely around "animatin sucks" |
jal90 said: I love how that Rebecca Silverman reviewer in ANN is basically saying she didn't like the episode, but gives it a masterpiece rating for the sake of hipsterism. Other than that, it's fine and all. And what is wrong with that? If everyone would give perfect scores only to the anime they LOVE, we wouldn't have any OBJECTIVE critique. On the other hand, I don't have anything against you so I don't want you to think I'm picking on you or anything. But don't you just find it absolutely amazingly stupid how crowds cry over and over when the new seasons comes raining of cliche animes... "omganother tipical romance/shounen/shojo/harem"? An when FINALLY something good, that isn't in any way TIPICAL comes, they cry again because it's either "hiped" or just too different to stomach, like Aku no Hana. |
Morridine said: jal90 said: I love how that Rebecca Silverman reviewer in ANN is basically saying she didn't like the episode, but gives it a masterpiece rating for the sake of hipsterism. Other than that, it's fine and all. And what is wrong with that? If everyone would give perfect scores only to the anime they LOVE, we wouldn't have any OBJECTIVE critique. On the other hand, I don't have anything against you so I don't want you to think I'm picking on you or anything. But don't you just find it absolutely amazingly stupid how crowds cry over and over when the new seasons comes raining of cliche animes... "omganother tipical romance/shounen/shojo/harem"? An when FINALLY something good, that isn't in any way TIPICAL comes, they cry again because it's either "hiped" or just too different to stomach, like Aku no Hana. There are different anime every season, the only people who complain about "omganother typical romance/shounen/shoujo/harem" every season are retards who don't know SHIT about anime. Also, saying something is a masterpiece WITHOUT EXPLAINING WHY aside "t-the art is different?" which is all she did, is NOT an objective review, nor a review at all. Claiming something is a masterpiece for no reason aside 'i-i-i-it did something different' is not objectivity nor a review, and it's not right either. Actually, I wrote a whole post on my blog about this *here* - but to put the relevant point for what I'm saying me said: Doing something “different” does not mean it’s automatically good. If I smeared my turds all over my truck and claimed it’s a new paint job – does it suddenly become a masterpiece just because it’s unusual and unique? NO – IT’S A CAR COVERED IN FECES. |
TallonKarrde23Apr 10, 2013 2:34 PM
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Morridine said: jal90 said: I love how that Rebecca Silverman reviewer in ANN is basically saying she didn't like the episode, but gives it a masterpiece rating for the sake of hipsterism. Other than that, it's fine and all. And what is wrong with that? If everyone would give perfect scores only to the anime they LOVE, we wouldn't have any OBJECTIVE critique. On the other hand, I don't have anything against you so I don't want you to think I'm picking on you or anything. But don't you just find it absolutely amazingly stupid how crowds cry over and over when the new seasons comes raining of cliche animes... "omganother tipical romance/shounen/shojo/harem"? An when FINALLY something good, that isn't in any way TIPICAL comes, they cry again because it's either "hiped" or just too different to stomach, like Aku no Hana. Oh, objectivity again. In case being different and risky equals being better at any time, which I think is something not even the blatant objectivity defenders dare to defend. Mostly because that association of ideas doesn't make sense to start with. In addition to this, and I'm not referring to your specific case either, if one thinks that praising this show means anything in the bigger picture that being an overall anime fan is, then I can only pity them. How this damn show has become an alternative measure of taste or been tied with an overall current of thought is pretty damn funny. There would be less absurd discussions if people didn't automatically assume that disliking this show means disliking experimentation and originality. |
| 1 episode reviews are hard to do, it is often difficult to tell how good a show is by one episode, anyone who says it is terrible after the first episode is obviously judging by it art a little too much.... You are throwing out all the story and everything. ANN is simply saying, Hey look this style they do matches the mood of the actual show. Creepy feeling show with creepy animation good match yes? They are not saying it is unique. If you feel the anime has poor art can you tell me it is actually poor or just not what you wanted? Whats poor about it? they look creepy? oh wait they are suppose too.... |
| It makes no sense to me how people are both calling it a masterpiece and the worst anime in existence considering only one episode has been aired thus far. |
Takuan_Soho said: Your complaint isn't grounded in reality. What is your definition of an "impartial" viewer?While I will grant you that writing a one episode review is a bit difficult, what I and others are complaining about with the reviews for this episode is that it did not show anything that leads an impartial viewer to declare this a masterpiece. TallonKarrde23 said: I've never read anything on ANN other than news, but this made me laugh anyway. Nucksen said: Immune to an education in writing and journalism too.Based ANN: immune to Hate Hypes |
JoshApr 10, 2013 7:45 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| ANN is shit, big surprise. |
| What kind of idiot claims something so definite out with just one aired episode? |
LordLagann said: What kind of idiot claims something so definite out with just one aired episode? I have a very good idea who.... .... .... |
| In Post #86 Takuan_soho wrote: Now that said, what exactly in this episode would lead an impartial viewer to declare this a masterpiece? Aku no Hana has resulted in nearly 2000 MAL posts based on Episode 1 alone. As far as I know, that is far more than for Episode 1 of any other anime. I did ask people to find some other examples, and nobody found any. This is an objective, quantified fact. When you have a work that is so, so, so controversial, there is a good chance that, at some point in the future, people are going to look back on it as an example of something praiseworthy. Look at Baudelaire's book "Les Fleurs du Mal". It was a similar thing. The majority of literary critics in Paris condemned it as the worst garbage. It had just a few fans. Now, nobody will question that it is a classic. One year, two years, three years from now, people are still going to remember AnH. Perhaps they will remember it as a failed experiment. Perhaps they will view it as a pretentious attempt to attract attention by insulting people. However, a lot of people (including me) are watching this episode multiple times and noticing things and not getting bored. I can see potential in this technique even if they are doing it in a clearly imperfect way. There is something lively and engaging about it. I see this as the cutting edge of "anime noire". Japan is suddenly changing. Look at their news in the past two years. Look at their news in the past month. Their artistic aesthetic is likely to be evolving too. I am just guessing that their mood is going to be altering and that they are no longer going to be so excited to see a brand-new anime series that is pretty much along the lines of the (great) stuff that they have been seeing since techniques improved in about 2006. |
okanaganApr 10, 2013 8:23 PM
| I love how angry some of you have gotten about this show. It's hilarious how close minded some people are, but without you the internet would be a boring place. |
| So... other than the "eccentric" visuals (subjective, btw), what's else is bad about it? |
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| Nakamura all ugly and shit brah, in the manga she was all moe' moe'. It's totally all slow and shit too, and they don't even show close up of the vajayjay when they're playing volleyball. Complete an utter shit. |
okanagan said: I see this as the cutting edge of "anime noire". Japan is suddenly changing. Look at their news in the past two years. Look at their news in the past month. Their artistic aesthetic is likely to be evolving too. I am just guessing that their mood is going to be altering and that they are no longer going to be so excited to see a brand-new anime series that is pretty much along the lines of the (great) stuff that they have been seeing since techniques improved in about 2006. I agree tot that we are starting to see some changes in anime, iff little yet, seems like like its still on the "testing waters" stage, I pretty much want to see new art style standards (I would love to revet back to more realistic style) and more varied stories (more mature, psychological would be much welcomed by me) and interesting executions. |
Nerdy_Old_Taco said: I love how angry some of you have gotten about this show. It's hilarious how close minded some people are, but without you the internet would be a boring place. Being close minded has nothing to do with the fact that ANN has an objectively piss poor writing team who, whether you agree with their views or not, did a horrible job of previewing this show. Journalism is not saying "I like dis , iz reallll good :))))" - it's giving your view along with explaining in detail why that is how you feel. "They used rotoscoping" is not an explanation for why they believe this is a masterpiece, yet it's literally the only thing they said. You could put all 3 posts into one line: "This is a masterpiece because it used rotoscoping instead of more common techniques." That isn't a review, a preview, or even a fucking opinion - it's just a line saying ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I love how angry you've gotten over liking this show that you had to make a very uninteresting, poorly written, half-assed sarcastic jab at people who don't like it. I also love how not liking something makes you close minded, in your ironically closed mind. Son, I've seen almost 3 times as much anime as you - and from every single style and genre you can fucking imagine. That wouldn't be the case if I was close minded, but judging from your favorites, you actually fall into that category - everything is pretentious, grimdark, "DEEP" stuff. Your avatar, your hipster-esque name, and every image in your bio also lends to that possibility. Ignoring even all of that, the fact you think someone not liking what you like is close-minded is pretty heavy evidence showing that YOU are close minded in thinking that everyone should like what you like - showing you're unwilling to accept that your opinions are not something everyone agrees with, because if they don't you somehow view them as lesser men for it. You can't really claim people are close minded for not liking this, especially not when your entire existence makes you look ten times worse in that area, let alone your post even all by itself. I don't like cocks because I'm not gay, it's got nothing to do with being close minded and all to do with my tastes, you're basically saying NOT being gay means you're a close minded fool. The same thing applies here. People don't like the rotoscoped art because it simply doesn't look good to them - this doesn't make them close-minded. However, saying they must be close minded for not liking what you like is extremely so. If you want to keep acting like a jackass, at least stop shooting yourself in the foot. |
TallonKarrde23Apr 10, 2013 8:50 PM
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| The widespread controversy, well, who knows, the show could very well break into mainstream reportage and invite commentary from all corners, asking why would a show with its first episode has provoked debate and vitriol from an audience whose complacency has been shattered with merely the character designs. The last time this kind of phenomenon happened, it was more than two years ago when Madoka's third episode suddenly caused a stir. |
| I play, the haters lose. |
TallonKarrde23 said: Nerdy_Old_Taco said: I love how angry some of you have gotten about this show. It's hilarious how close minded some people are, but without you the internet would be a boring place. Being close minded has nothing to do with the fact that ANN has an objectively piss poor writing team who, whether you agree with their views or not, did a horrible job of previewing this show. Journalism is not saying "I like dis , iz reallll good :))))" - it's giving your view along with explaining in detail why that is how you feel. "They used rotoscoping" is not an explanation for why they believe this is a masterpiece, yet it's literally the only thing they said. You could put all 3 posts into one line: "This is a masterpiece because it used rotoscoping instead of more common techniques." That isn't a review, a preview, or even a fucking opinion - it's just a line saying ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I love how angry you've gotten over liking this show that you had to make a very uninteresting, poorly written, half-assed sarcastic jab at people who don't like it. I also love how not liking something makes you close minded, in your ironically closed mind. Son, I've seen almost 3 times as much anime as you - and from every single style and genre you can fucking imagine. That wouldn't be the case if I was close minded, but judging from your favorites, you actually fall into that category - everything is pretentious, grimdark, "DEEP" stuff. Your avatar, your hipster-esque name, and every image in your bio also lends to that possibility. Ignoring even all of that, the fact you think someone not liking what you like is close-minded is pretty heavy evidence showing that YOU are close minded in thinking that everyone should like what you like - showing you're unwilling to accept that your opinions are not something everyone agrees with, because if they don't you somehow view them as lesser men for it. You can't really claim people are close minded for not liking this, especially not when your entire existence makes you look ten times worse in that area, let alone your post even all by itself. I don't like cocks because I'm not gay, it's got nothing to do with being close minded and all to do with my tastes, you're basically saying NOT being gay means you're a close minded fool. The same thing applies here. People don't like the rotoscoped art because it simply doesn't look good to them - this doesn't make them close-minded. However, saying they must be close minded for not liking what you like is extremely so. If you want to keep acting like a jackass, at least stop shooting yourself in the foot. You need to relax, being so pissed off all the time can't be good for your heart. I'm not even going to bother trying to reason with you, cause you're clearly one of those people who only hears what they want to. |
Nerdy_Old_Taco said: You need to relax, being so pissed off all the time can't be good for your heart. I'm not even going to bother trying to reason with you, cause you're clearly one of those people who only hears what they want to. It's okay that you can't actually counter anything I said, don't worry, I won't call you out for-oh wait. You assume anyone who doesn't like your opinion is close minded and now you think anyone who posts an actual reply to you is pissed off...sounds like someone is projecting doubly! |
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| See Post 95 from soulassassin547 Here is lots of specific information about Madoka Episode 3: http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Madoka_Magica_Episode_3:_I%27m_Not_Afraid_of_Anything_Anymore Yes, there was a bit of fan controversy. But it seems that it was based pretty much on a minor animation continuity error. There were 490 posts on Episode 3 of Madoka on MAL, which was more than for typical episodes. So clearly the mistakes generated some discussion among fans. It also inspired some interesting fan-art, which you can find via the link that I mentioned just above. |
okanaganApr 10, 2013 9:07 PM
TallonKarrde23 said: Nerdy_Old_Taco said: You need to relax, being so pissed off all the time can't be good for your heart. I'm not even going to bother trying to reason with you, cause you're clearly one of those people who only hears what they want to. It's okay that you can't actually counter anything I said, don't worry, I won't call you out for-oh wait. You assume anyone who doesn't like your opinion is close minded and now you think anyone who posts an actual reply to you is pissed off...sounds like someone is projecting doubly! It's not that I can't it's that I really don't care enough to try and argue with another dime a dozen hot head on the internet. You can't win in an argument with someone who has some twisted logic and refuses to ever back down. I never said that there was anything wrong with not liking the adaptation of Aku no Hana, people are allowed to think whatever they want. What I meant by close minded is the people here who were attacking the opinions of the ANN writers just because they don't agree with them(something you accused me of oddly enough). You were right about one thing though. "I don't like cocks because I'm not gay, it's got nothing to do with being close minded and all to do with my tastes, you're basically saying NOT being gay means you're a close minded fool.". That is EXACTLY what I was trying to say, at least we can agree on something :P |
soulassassin547 said: Are the japs reacting as strongly to this as "we" are? Because there were multiple episodes of minor events which caused a similiar shitstorm in the west (Shinsekai yori's attempt at yaoi for a recent example) but haven't been gaining a similar amount of attention in japan. I could very much imagine this to be another case like that, I definitely wouldn't compare it to the reactions Madoka got out of people (so far).The last time this kind of phenomenon happened, it was more than two years ago when Madoka's third episode suddenly caused a stir. Also, okanagan, I hate you a bit for linking that page. I just finished rewatching Madoka not even 48hours ago, the wounds are still fresh, I actually teared up while reading the article ;_; |
| Also, okanagan, I hate you a bit for linking that page. My apologies for pouring salt on your wounds ! :) Just now I see that Madoka is #1 on your list of favorite anime ! The good news is that they fixed up the errors when they released the Blu-ray. |
| @Takuan_Soho, I have had a great time reading all the posts by you in this thread. I find myself agreeing with you in every way, particularly that the episode is ok, where there is nothing that points to it being a masterpiece, and if it succeeds it would be despite the rotoscoping not because of it. bNq said: I hope you are not trying to act like a racist here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japsoulassassin547 said: Are the japs reacting as strongly to this as "we" are? Because there were multiple episodes of minor events which caused a similiar shitstorm in the west (Shinsekai yori's attempt at yaoi for a recent example) but haven't been gaining a similar amount of attention in japan. I could very much imagine this to be another case like that, I definitely wouldn't compare it to the reactions Madoka got out of people (so far).The last time this kind of phenomenon happened, it was more than two years ago when Madoka's third episode suddenly caused a stir. Anyway, the case with Madoka's ep.3 is VERY DIFFERENT from what happens here. In terms of surprise and shattering complacency, yes, but in terms of vitriol or rage Madoka was never like Aku no Hana. The Madoka's case is more like astonishment at the revelation of the true theme of the show and very soon most people got adjusted to it and found it a very creative move. In Aku no Hana's case rejection, disillusionment and disappointment reign and the vitriol level much much higher (although even at this level, it is still not as ugly as real scandals like in Kokoro Connect or Sakuraso). So I don't agree with soulassassin547 that they are comparable. As for Shinseaki Yori, the reactions in the west were much worse than in Japan, which I find intriguing: Even though many fans in the west said they want mature contents and they don't like anime for having so little of it, but when they actually faced real mature contents they freak out because of their own prejudices (and some of them even denied harboring such prejudices when they trashed the episode). |
symbvApr 10, 2013 9:57 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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