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Dec 16, 2008 7:10 AM

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THIS IS AN MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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That was just amazing.
Even though the ending was pretty ambiguous, it still was probably the best seinen manga I've read.

10/10 easily and a spot in my top 5.
 
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Jan 24, 2009 3:04 AM

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I really wonder... Will Johan start mudering again? Or does he now know he was wanted by someone...
'There are no facts, only interpretations'
- Nietzsche
 
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Apr 16, 2009 2:33 PM

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When Johan sat up, my heart stopped.

That was the best manga I've read in awhile.

I really wanted to know his real name. lol... I know the whole point is that the name means nothing, but still.
 
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When Johan sat up, my heart stopped.

That was the best manga I've read in awhile.

I really wanted to know his real name. lol... I know the whole point is that the name means nothing, but still.

Same here! I was scared for a split second. Haha. I want to know their real names as well, but they're happy as they are. I wish Grimmer and a whole bunch of other people hadn't died.
 
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Apr 24, 2009 12:59 PM

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Absolutely amazing manga. I enjoyed it so much. Is the anime worth tracking down?
 
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May 23, 2009 11:30 AM

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I hoped some side characters would appear on this chapter, like Lotte and Karl or somebody like that. Great ending, although I'd also like to know their names.
 
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AHHHH!!!

I just accidentally clicked the last bubble and pressed enter!!!
I loved the last chapter, I feel so bad '~'.
 
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Mar 31, 2010 11:57 PM

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Wow, great ending but left me a bit unsatisfied, what were their names? where did Johan go off to? What happened to some of the characters like Lotte and Karl? All in all however, this may be one of my favorite mangas of ALL TIME. 10/10 and a spot on my top 5 list.
 
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Ahh, still so many unanswered questions! Their names! What happened to Johan?! Argh, will my curiosity never be satisfied?!
Seriously though, of course 10/10. Possibly one of the best mangas I've read so far. If only all those characters hadn't died ... I grew so attatched to them all ... *sniff* ... D:
 
Oct 14, 2010 7:19 AM

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I watched anime last year, and this year, I decided to read manga. I thought I might be able to grasp some more info but... it seems it just has to be like this. Again, I had the same feeling about twins' mother - such a weird feeling... perhaps it has something to do with the fact that she's one of those people who saw terrible things... and are still alive.

I love happy endings... happy, yet disturbing... you know, the last pages.
 
Nov 12, 2010 6:57 PM

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So... Who is the real monster o.O?
I loved the ending though =)
 
Nov 13, 2010 2:07 AM

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So... Who is the real monster o.O?
I loved the ending though =)


It's just my thought but I'd say there's no real monster.
 
Jan 17, 2011 1:01 AM
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I didn't understand. Why was Johan in female clothing as a child? Was he a female? Ending really didn't answer this.
 
Jan 23, 2011 2:18 PM
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I didn't understand. Why was Johan in female clothing as a child? Was he a female? Ending really didn't answer this.

When Johan and Nina's mother escaped from that experiment place (whatever it's called), she dressed up Johan to look like Nina so that she could alternatively take them out of the house, making it look like she had only a daughter instead of twins. This would make it harder for Bonaparte and his men to track her.
 
May 10, 2011 8:57 PM

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I think Roberto is a monster - man I hated that guy.......

I kept thinking, when the last chapters were teasing us with telling their names, that their real names would be hanzel and gretel....... dunno why but it seems to fit.
 
Jan 28, 2012 1:39 PM

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why do i have the feeling that johan went to see his mother?
 
Jan 31, 2012 4:02 AM

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Very interesting ending.
 
Mar 29, 2012 8:24 PM

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That was crazy when Johan sat up! I hope he isn't going to go on a rampage again. :/

@ tvlookplay

That's a possibility but I thought he just wanted Tenma's answer.
HEY!
 
May 26, 2012 2:59 PM
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This manga was well worth every second of my time. Finally a protagonist that stays true to his ideals but remains human and faces reality as it is.

I think that Johans name was indeed Johan. After all Wolf said that as soon as he called him that something inside Johan awakened. But then again it's hard to know what truly was happening in his mind.

Also an excellent ending. It has somewhat a dark foreboding, yet somehow I wonder whether Johan has changed.

Also Nina was an excellent character. Actually the whole cast was excellent. This manga receives 10/10 from me.

I am truly impressed with this chapter.
 
Jun 1, 2012 12:12 AM
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Very overrated manga. i cant believe i wasted so much time reading this. the only reason i finished it was because everyone was saying it was great. but really, its just too darn long and it got boring and became a chore to read.

i do not understand why this is so highly rated.
 
Dec 13, 2012 4:25 AM
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4 things i couldn't quite figure out
1. After Nina ran back home from the red rose mansion she found johan
I figured from the reenactment that the mother abandoned them?
what for? so they would not be traced again, to avoid the profiling?

2.why nina had to shoot johan at the beginning? and why did johan kill their new
foster parents that night?
and why did he go on a killing rampage? just because he went crazy when he inherited nina's memories?

3. what was ranz bonapaparta trying to experiment by taking nina to red mansion that night?
Did he try to free them from the captivity by killing everyone who knows of the 511 project?

4. in chapter 143, or 40 pages into volume 17
that man johan killed, who is he? is he even significant?
 
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I had seen a little bit of this series before but that was a few years back. For about 2 years, I've been wanting to watch this series but I always seemed to get side-tracked by something.

Saturday night, well more like in the early hours of Sunday morning, I had a friend over and we were deciding on an anime to watch and I was pushing him to watch Monster and he gave in. He said only 1 episode and that he needed to go back to his flat because it was like 2am, however, he stayed and watched the first 3 episodes....he was persuaded by the brilliance of this series. However, he needed to go bed and so did I (an early night for me lol), so we stopped there. After some sleep, I just kept on watching with obvious breaks, lectures and the time used to sleep.....I finally finished this magnificent series just now.

I have many questions about the series, so many of them were left unanswered for the readers to decide on what they think will happen.

I believe Johan is alive still and has escaped the police hospital he was recovering at, as to where he went, I do not know but a working theory is that he went to see his mother in Souther France.

The part where he awakes from his slumber and tells Tenma about the choice his mother made in the last episode. I believe that is Tenma's imagination, a memory or an event only Tenma knows between Tenma and Johan, because the twin's mother told him and Tenma is thinking on what Johan must be thinking if he was to find out or remember the event.

The series is brilliant in having complex and layered characters as well as a brilliant and menacing OP to go with it.

The series or the events can be summed up in so many ways from one man's distorted love, a mother's revenge, a doctor's pursuit to right what he had done wrong, a woman who hates herself, a boy with a horrid past, a man seeking to gain his feelings and emotions that he had lost as a child. There are so many intertwining tales within this story.

It's a beautiful anime and manga, the anime adaptation is very faithful to the manga.

This is probably one of the animes where I am not really doing any "shipping", the many characters of this story seem to be more family than anything else, I don't see Nina and Tenma ever becoming a couple, Nina only sees Tenma as a precious individual and I don't think Tenma has the ability to get into a relationship anytime soon.

Naoki Urasawa, the mangaka of Monster, who has done a few of my favourites of all time like 20th Century Boys. I learned that he rebooted his "Master Keaton" series, it's apparently set 20 years after the end of the original manga series. I'm wondering if he will ever make another manga related to Monster detailing more of what happens to the lives of the many characters like Eva, Tenma, Johan, Nina, etc.

I think I maybe one of a few people who actually loved Eva's character, I never hated her at any point in the series, I know she did many questionable and incredibly hurtful things throughout the course of the series. I felt truly sorry for her when she lost Martin.

This series is magnificent and should be watched many people out there as possible, I will be trying my best to spread this around amongst my friends.

My score for this anime is a 10/10, it truly is a masterpiece.
 
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A brilliant end to a brilliant series. Johan sitting up was a heart-stopper, and his disappearing from his hospital bed (again) was a good end. What will he do now? He might have been the "unwanted" twin. Will he go after his mother? Does he have a new purpose to be a psycho killer? Will he go after Nina/Anna?

Definitely a manga I'd recommend. I realized that it was a 10/10 by the end of the first volume, but, after reading the last chapter, I'm wishing that I'd saved it till now.
 
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The pros:
- Practically everything
- Incredible plot
- Deep!!!!
- DAT PHILOSOPHY AND PSYCHOLOGY.
- DAT SUSPENSE
- The villians are actually hateable. For example, I hate Roberto with a burning passion. If I were Lunge, I'd kill him for sure.

The cons:
- Way too long
- Too many characters. Also have to comment on the art. Alot of the European guys look REALLY similar. I forgot a lot of the side character names
- I wanted a conclusion/epilogue on all the semi-main characters

Debating on either a 9 or 10 but leaning on the 10...

TOTALLY SHIPPING TENMA AND NINA BTW. LOL Even with their um 20 year age difference :P Also Martin and Eva. CUTE

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dahoho said:
4 things i couldn't quite figure out
1. After Nina ran back home from the red rose mansion she found johan
I figured from the reenactment that the mother abandoned them?
what for? so they would not be traced again, to avoid the profiling?

2.why nina had to shoot johan at the beginning? and why did johan kill their new
foster parents that night?
and why did he go on a killing rampage? just because he went crazy when he inherited nina's memories?

3. what was ranz bonapaparta trying to experiment by taking nina to red mansion that night?
Did he try to free them from the captivity by killing everyone who knows of the 511 project?

4. in chapter 143, or 40 pages into volume 17
that man johan killed, who is he? is he even significant?


I just finished reading the entire series yesterday so if you haven't found your answers, here they are (or what I suppose what the answers are):
1. I guessed that the mother abandoned her children most likely out of guilt. The fact that she chose to abandon one of her own children when she panicked made her feel absolutely horrible. She wanted to protect both of her children but she wasn't able to do that, and out of despair, she ran away and abandoned her children. I guessed that she thought that she was the real monster for abandoning her children and deemed herself unworthy as a mother which was why she simply just left. It was probably also another measure to distract their pursuers since she believed that eventually they would be after her other child and she might once again give that child up in order to protect herself and she didn't want that to happen so she left.
2. Nina shot her brother out of confusion and despair. She was upset that her brother killed every foster parent they ever had so she picked up the gun just to scare him (she is just a child, she wasn't planning to seriously shoot him), but then when her brother told her to shoot, she obeyed because she was influenced by him (Johan is a sociopath. It is easy for him to manipulate others). Johan started killing because he was influenced by Franz's books and thought that everyone in the world besides his sister and himself were scum.
3. Franz took Nina to the mansion that night as a form of bait. He wanted to bring all those who knew about the 511 project and bringing Nina could be used as an excuse for a celebration. Then he poisoned everyone so that the existence of the project and the twins would be virtually unknown. It was his way of freeing the twins from all the things they suffered from since Franz fell in love with the mother.
4. I'm guessing you're talking about the man who asked Johan who they were going to kill next? I assume that he is another criminal who was influenced by Johan and outlasted his purpose. Johan had no more use for him so he was killed.

The ending: Many people wondered what happened to Johan after he was brought back to life for the third time. I like to think that he changed his ways since Nina forgave and being brought back to life a second time gave him a chance to make amends. He probably still is a sociopath but I don't think he would go killing others anymore (unless they somehow threatened him or his sister's life).
 
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For those wondering about the ending, I'm almost entirely sure that the part where Johan sits up was just a figment of Tenma's imagination. I'm not so sure about the empty bed, however...
 
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Fantástico, tremendo final de manga y el último capítulo, WHOA! Mi corazón se detuvo por un segundo cuando Johan despertó. También, cuando Johan le estaba contando a Tenma ese pequeño pedazo de historia, me sorprendí, pero éste capítulo me dejo con dudas muy grandes: Johan en verdad existe? Él es imaginario? Cuál es su nombre? Qué es él?

Finalmente, en mi humilde opinión, Monster es la mejor historia que he leído y Johan es el mejor villano que he visto.



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Whoa, DAT FINAL CHAPTER! My heart was stopped just for a second when Johan woke up. Also, when Johan was telling the short story to Tenma, I was surprised, but this chapter gave me a big doubt, Johan exists? He is imaginary? What's his name? What's he?

Finally, IMHO, Monster is the best story that I've read and Johan is the best villain that I've watched.

 
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the ending is kinda, ambigous for me
 
Feb 19, 2015 5:03 AM

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Somehow the scene where the mother was forced to choose between Nina and Johann reminded me of the movie I watched a long time ago,
Sophie's Choice.



I thought perhaps Urasawa Sensei was inspired by that movie.
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This was one of the best things I have read in quite some time. I love how the ending was left open to interpretation. My guess is Johan will start murdering again.

The characters were all great there were some horrible people in this manga that I really hated this just goes to show how well written it is since I don't normally feel so strongly about manga characters. Also I liked Tenma a lot. Every decision he made seemed morally correct to me regardless of the consequences. Grimmer was another awesome character and the way they portrayed his power (The Magnificent Steiner) was very well done and Johan is easily the best villain in any anime/manga I have seen so far (I have seen very little but I doubt any villain in anime/manga could surpass him).

Overall this is a 9.5+ for me. Since the website does not allow decimal places I gave this a 10.
 
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A brilliant end to a brilliant series. Johan sitting up was a heart-stopper, and his disappearing from his hospital bed (again) was a good end. What will he do now? He might have been the "unwanted" twin. Will he go after his mother? Does he have a new purpose to be a psycho killer? Will he go after Nina/Anna?

Definitely a manga I'd recommend. I realized that it was a 10/10 by the end of the first volume, but, after reading the last chapter, I'm wishing that I'd saved it till now.

I always thought the ended implied he committed his existence erasing suicide("the perfect suicide"), but I should re-read it again sometime..
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It's been a while since I read Monster, but I'm pretty sure I said "oh shit!" out loud when Johan sat up at the end. Such a great manga.
 
Dec 26, 2015 9:06 AM

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Pretty disappointing ending in my opinion. Overall though it is a very good manga, shame it wavered somewhat at the end.
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Jan 19, 2016 12:50 AM

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That was just beautiful!

Brilliant development, very real characters and for such a sophisticated story to have no inconsistencies, this manga is a true masterpiece.

10/10
 
Jan 26, 2016 8:35 AM
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JOHAN, YOU SCARED MY LITTLE HEART WHEN YOU WOKE UP. That ending, though. Did his mother mistake him for his sister or she really wanted to get rid of Nina? And Johan was probably out again to kill his mother (?)

This is one of the, if not the best, seinen manga I have ever read. I was never bored and managed to complete the series in three days. I liked how everything and everyone was connected and a part of Johan's keikaku. I thought this would be some overrated lame shit, but I was wrong. DAMN WRONG.

And I don't usually like goody-goody protagonists, but I find Tenma interesting. As for Johan, I have to agree with most people that he is hands down the best antagonist ever. Oh, he also scared me when he pretended to be Nina to get closer to Jan Suk. That moment when he removed that wig, damn.

My favorite chapter was "I am Tenma". And my least favorite chapter, nah, can't think of any though I had a hard time differentiating some characters.

Oh and also, Monster makes me want to collect story books.
 
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JOHAN, YOU SCARED MY LITTLE HEART WHEN YOU WOKE UP. That ending, though. Did his mother mistake him for his sister or she really wanted to get rid of Nina? And Johan was probably out again to kill his mother (?)

This is one of the, if not the best, seinen manga I have ever read. I was never bored and managed to complete the series in three days. I liked how everything and everyone was connected and a part of Johan's keikaku. I thought this would be some overrated lame shit, but I was wrong. DAMN WRONG.

And I don't usually like goody-goody protagonists, but I find Tenma interesting. As for Johan, I have to agree with most people that he is hands down the best antagonist ever. Oh, he also scared me when he pretended to be Nina to get closer to Jan Suk. That moment when he removed that wig, damn.

My favorite chapter was "I am Tenma". And my least favorite chapter, nah, can't think of any though I had a hard time differentiating some characters.

Oh and also, Monster makes me want to collect story books.


These were exactly my thoughts. Absolutely love it.
 
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Is Johan alive? Is he dead? Maybe the last scene was just a memory lapse of Tenma, but maybe Johan was really there and Tenma saved his life again... But, if he's alive, what he will do on the future? The evil is still inside him?

Damn, this ending made me have a lot of questions... Which is great.
 
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Is Johan alive? Is he dead? Maybe the last scene was just a memory lapse of Tenma, but maybe Johan was really there and Tenma saved his life again... But, if he's alive, what he will do on the future? The evil is still inside him?

Damn, this ending made me have a lot of questions... Which is great.


This is why i loved this ending because it can be interpenetrated in so many different ways. Who was the real monster? Did Johan actually manage to escape or is he now dead (because they usually leave the window open once the patient passes away)? Perfect ending for such a master piece.
 
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... that's it? well, i was hoping for a stronger feeling of closure
I'm not a fan of open-ended ending

Anyway, that was a fucking great manga. There was so much mystery, suspense, some epic scenes and conversations

I loved how everything is so "real world", like, it's our world, it could happen in our lives, to the people we know
And there was "real life" consequences as well, totally different from most of animes and mangas that have tendency to follow a stereotype

Despite expecting more from the ending, since i prefer endings that have more closure and doesn't leave to your imagination(mostly because mine sucks), i will give it 10/10 because it really is a FANTASTIC read and i'll probably read 20th century boys or some other work from Urasawa
 
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Well that was a ride.

There are actually two things I really liked about monster
- the lifelike expressions, interactions and events, as if it's taking place in the real world itself. The art itself does a wonderful job of serving that purpose.

- how the events seemingly interconnect with each other like a spider's web, starting from the demolition of the Turkish community itself.

Now, Urasawa's narration was brilliant, it flowed freely through the whole manga. The characters are developed well, and some memorable ones too in the form of Tenma and Johan. But one thing I felt could have been improved was the pacing in the initial parts of the manga, quite a few minor characters got backstories/focus who doesn't appear for 100 chapters or so(like that village doctor) or die(like Richard). For a thriller manga that takes the foot off the pedal and the feeling of suspense gets lost in the way.

Contrary to what people think, I feel the ending serves really well for this kind of manga. After all, the main question that Monster tries to convey is who is the real monster(the title of last chap), and it can be interpreted in three different ways. So the open ending also works as what the readers want to believe in, did he die, commit suicide or was let free? Or the whole thing was Tenma's imagination after that conversation?

Overall a really brilliant manga and I would give the same rating as punpun, 9.4/10. Maybe some mangakas nowadays can take a cue from this how to create a compelling thriller since I haven't seen many of that quality in this medium.
 
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Very intriguing manga, the last few volumes were like rollercoasters, everytime they uncover a mystery another one emerged. And the ending is really something, very thought-provoking, make me question about what's make a "monster" as the characters in the manga had been chasing. The art is delicate, nice angle to enlight and emphasize the object, theme. I really like the characters, though there're many of them but the author managed to care to the detail, realistically portrayed. Everytime a minor arc is done i got some "feel", like when the old couple visit their son after helping Tenma (not remember which chapter). 9/10.
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After reading 20CB and Pluto, I really had to read Urasawa's most famed work and I'm glad I did. This truly is a near masterpiece of a manga. It felt thrilling throughout the series and almost always had the momentum going. It's themes are really complex and are so well handled. "Are all human lives equal?", "Does every person deserve the right to live?", "Are the hands of a person used for saving lives be used for ending lives?". And I'm glad that the series doesn't give you a black-and-white answer to these questions and leaves them to interpretation.

But it's not just the themes, but it's also the writing that's super impressive. When I first started the series, I had no clue how this story can go on for 18 volumes. I mean, it's all about a man hunting down a serial killer, right? But Monster isn't a story about Johan. It isn't a story about Tenma (well, not mainly at least). It's a story about everyone that's connected to Johan, not Johan itself. I like how you barely get to see the titular character himself. That being said, the cast of characters is insanely huge and more and more of them just got added to the series. However, they all played a role to the story and I love how Urasawa ties them all together. Every character has a story to tell and I'm glad that they all get the spotlight. Monster didn't give me any particular "favorite" character, but the large cast of characters feels more appealing as a whole then them being judged separately. But yeah, Johan was a really good depiction of what a serial killer would be. It's almost frightening to imagine someone like him in the real world.

I would say my only tiny gripe with the series is that it was probably a bit too long. But when I mean that, I mean that it was probably a volume too long. Honestly, that's not much of a complain. Also, a lot of the character designs felt too similar with each other. Like, there's a lot of guys with fat noses and black curly hair in the series, lol.

Anyways, this series is probably a 9.4/10 for me, which is basically the same as my score for 20th Century Boys. But if I have to pick, like if someone pointed a gun at me and I have to pick between the two, I'd choose 20th Century Boys. For those of you who really liked Monster, give 20CB a read! There's actually a lot of similarities between the two, just 20CB is more absurd and lighthearted. Also, Pluto's a great alternative, and it's shorter too.
 
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I dont know from where to start. This is going to be a long one xD. The begining of the manga was very good and promising, then maybe after chapter 25 or so it got unesesery complicated, dont get me wrong i like it to be conplicated, but not like that. It was souless. The peaste and the story got too stiff for a 1/4 of the manga. Afther that period it step on its feet again and continued very smouth. But at the last 10-15 chapters the whole thing got so blury and (hate to say it) boring that i feelt like Naoki Urusawa was in such a hurry to finish it and sayed to himself "fack it i cant keep that up, lets just put whatever ending to it". I left tha manga unsetiafaed and anoyed. Maybe becouse i had so much hopes for it to be something special till the very end. I realy wanted to give the manga 10 out of 10, but at the end is for maxsimys 8/10 in my eyes.
 
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This is me again, but becouse the discusion sistem was shut down for i while i was pre-write that shit up there xD
So here are my additional thouts after i watched the anime and an explanation video on YouTube, witch btw was pretty helpful to me https://youtu.be/dU2uy4oyq2w

I take my words for beeing boring and anoying, i just didnt understend it fully at that time. I seen that everything had a reason and explanation. So my curent score is 9/10 .
 
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good stuff man, definitely an awesome read. it's too long though, sometimes it drags on and on somewhere nobody cares about, but overall a great start as one of the first manga i ever read.
 
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Despite its lulls and to me a fairly lackluster conclusion (not bad, just lackluster), this manga was one of the most wonderful series I've ever read. I loved the way all of these seemingly disjointed plot lines tied together, and managed to intertwine in an astounding way. It was a wonderful work and a testament of good plotting and careful planning. I also like how, despite the content and subject matter; the manga never wondered into edge territory. In the hands of a less capable mangaka, a character like Johan would've been a complete joke; ending up as a juvenile attempt to deep. It managed to handle explicit topics with actual maturity, and didn't indulge in dialogue that sounded like an essay you'd read from a high school psychology class. The characters weren't walking edgelords going on about how sad they are and how shitty the world is. Over all I loved this manga. It combined some of the aspects of Master Keaton and managed to pull of tremendously wonderful read. Johan was a fantastic villain, and some of the plot twists in this manga were some of the insane I've come across. Sure the pacing wasn't the best and I could see how someone wouldn't like how Tenma stayed true to his morals and was more or less validated at the end. But in terms of sheer story telling, this work was top-notch.
 
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