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Mar 24, 2013 5:23 PM
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Energyless mother which made daughter wants to leave her. Co-worker (I guess he's the one who's voiced by FukuJun) somehow likes to talk to her, there's a mother who likes someone to listen to her talk. I guess her son's the one who is voiced by Hino-san (?), poor him at the end.
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Mar 28, 2013 1:55 AM

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Aside from the punch.. this anime was quite depressing to watch.
 
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Mar 28, 2013 12:58 PM

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Liked the way the mother decided to live for "herself" now.

For her daughter... You bitch! She did everything so that you can get a better life. At least in terms of financial support and so-called "mother duties" she tried her best. Of course she would feel without energy and happiness. Look at that husband. Does not even know the bus hours. She is your wife fuck head! You could worry a little bit more! And for the college boy, a classical spoiled jackass... Knowing nothing about real life, just being a spoiled child and getting what he wants, without even paying thanks or some consideration...

It was depressing yes, but at the same time we should take our lessons from it. Do not give up on your life! Live for yourself first. Other people around you are not around you just because they LOVE you. It's just they may not have other people. Consider it. Be alive for yourself first.

God I got irritated by all those side characters and felt really bad for the mother.
 
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Mar 28, 2013 3:57 PM

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That episode was brutal in the way it portrayed a situation that could happen to anyone of us. I really enjoyed this one though and think it was probably the best episode along with the first that aired over a year ago.
 
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Mar 28, 2013 6:16 PM
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Should have punched daughter instead.

Whole family needed to help and appreciate her mote tho.
 
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Mar 28, 2013 11:51 PM

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Somehow I expected this to turn into a milf hentai :P
 
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Apr 2, 2013 5:19 AM

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Fuck life!
 
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Apr 8, 2013 2:41 PM

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Son: Don't fuck with me.
Mom: Don't fuck with me. *uppercut punch*
HAHAHA. Way to go, mama.

For real, it's sad how much I connected with this character. How I feel like I'm going to end up like that and it terrifies me. Happy to see that she changed herself for the better. I would've loved to see more of her and how she handles her clueless husband. This episode and the episode before this made the series awesome. I could've skipped the first 3 episodes.

Episode: 5/5 Overall: 8/10
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Apr 9, 2013 8:25 AM

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Poor her. She's a very responsible mother trying to provide her family their basic needs and a clean home to return to. Housework is tasking and cooking meals early everyday is a sacrifice and to have a night shift part time job is definitely exhausting. Her family are unappreciative. The husband is useless, dumb, and uncaring. Why did she marry him in the first place? Marriage arrangement, prolly? It's still a practice in some in Japan.

I understand the point the daughter was trying to say of not wanting to be like her mother but she didn't see how much her mother sacrificed for their family. Bitchy daughter.

This is depressing but it ends positively good. She's now living her life and I'm glad it ended that way.
 
Apr 9, 2013 9:30 PM

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In general, a great series.
 
Apr 13, 2013 10:03 AM
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Wow. Even with that ending, it was still pretty freakin depressing. This was my 2nd favorite. First being the first one.

Shame I can't give this series a 10 anymore.
Overall 7/10.
 
May 2, 2013 8:52 PM

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I like this one the best out of the four because the level of sappy fantasy is way lower here. It gets pretty cloying in the first two.

Some nice little touches in here, like the way woman's husband is useless not because he's uncaring but because he's lazy, and the way the daughter who apparently was a stereotype of the rude teenager actually feels violent angst in regards to her mother rather than banal disrespect.

It's a nice touch that the lead's creepily pale skin takes on some color after she snaps and becomes more lively.

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For her daughter... You bitch! She did everything so that you can get a better life. At least in terms of financial support and so-called "mother duties" she tried her best. Of course she would feel without energy and happiness.

"Of course" she's like that? That's even worse!

I don't think the woman even disagrees with her daughter when the girl says she hates the way her mother lives. The whole episode is an explication of how this woman blandly hates her life.
 
May 5, 2013 2:07 PM

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This is so realistic. I desperately hope I won't end up like that when I get older.
 
May 6, 2013 4:35 PM
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Of the 4 episodes this is probably my favorite one. The slap at the end was hilarious. I'm glad they decided to make 3 more episodes after the original because if it had just been the original episode I don't think I would've enjoyed this series as much.
 
Jul 26, 2013 11:36 AM

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Nice episode, but the punch pissed me off.
 
Aug 10, 2013 5:33 PM

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One of the best 20 minute standalone episodes I've ever seen in anime. There's not a single person in this anime that I can't feel for and understand where they come from (except her coworker probably). They are all so adorably flawed <3. Very good atmosphere too.
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Aug 28, 2013 2:45 AM

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I feel like she taking back her "entire life's worth of ambition, courage and the power to take action"! Sorry I couldn't help but borrow the concept from the third episode when this episode ended. XD Go mama!

My preference by episode order would be 3≥4>1>2. Life and the surprises it would lead you... I hope there would be more of this series, I wouldn't mind the waiting. 8/10 overall for the series.
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Oct 9, 2013 3:36 PM

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This is a very realistic and depressing sorry, and I know it far too well.
What the daughter did could be considered disrespectful, but it was actually one of the things that triggered her mothers revival. The daughter was actually helping her mother become herself again whether she knows it or not.
If the daughter didn't do what she did, it would just be the same damn thing happening every day. No changes, no hope, nothing.
It would be nice if the father also has a revelation. Than the family could be going down the right track.

It's funny how just 1 minute of happiness at the end changes the mood of the show.
It's sad how everyone was so selfish except for the mother. I would almost like to see another episode of her in her current state.

Too bad that this lifestyle can actually happen. Trust me, I've seen it. And the day of realization never comes for them.

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Oct 14, 2013 11:22 AM

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very nice story/animation which i definitely could identify with - hitting middle age, always trying to be the nice/accommodating person who always gets stepped on for being selfless - loved the way she finally stares her tormentors/loved ones in the eye and says "f#$k you, this is my life and i'll live it as i see fit.....overall loved the series - wonderful to see slice of life with this much intimacy and realism in anime - the world needs more tales like these! 7/10 for this one and 8/10 for the series.....
 
Dec 7, 2013 7:10 PM
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Selfish daughter. If you hate how she lives, support and help her rather than contributing to the problem. Same for you, son.

I freakin' LOL'd when she punched him!!

And I wish it showed her talking to her family and working out the issues, but the last few minutes relieved me.
 
Jul 13, 2014 12:57 AM

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Definitely my favorite episode... Was pretty depressing, yet realistic...

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I'll try not to end up like that man... And make my future-wife feel empty like her...


Btw, nice punch!

I think she'll get along a bit better with her son after that.
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Sep 4, 2014 4:27 PM

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Well damn. That was pretty depressing.

I feel so bad for my parents now for acting like a bitch all the time. This episode out of all four made me think the most and is probably going to impact how I act towards my parents. Seriously, the daughter was so rude to her mom. The mom had so much shit to do everyday and people to feed. She even worked a nightly shift so they could survive and pay off loans.

But seriously, this was done really well. One of the most realistic portrayals of family life that I've seen in anime so far. Screw Clannad, this is the real thing.

8/10 for all four. This one being the most influential, episode 3 being the most enjoyable, episode 2 being the happiest and episode 1 being the best written.

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Sep 30, 2014 4:28 PM
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When she actually does not protest till she is remainded of her daughter when that coworker guy takes her to a hotel, and in the end she says I am an old woman that's why he should ask me out. Does this mean she wants to go out with that guy. Ending got me confused.
 
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This episode was more close to realism than the 2nd episode hands down.. while it stands on equal footing with the 1st and 3rd episode. Overall, a great watch. Wondering what the reactions of the elder women, to whom this anime was particularly aimed at, after watching this particular episode. Loved the way the mother suddenly came to the realization about what Hammer was trying to do and when she punched her son and decided to lead a life by always lifting her head up rather than drooping it down.
 
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Hmm, so in the end she solved pretty much nothing, only gave herself false hope and made a lot of further problems.

I like the mood of this episode and the slice-of-life was well done but I really didn't like its message. The ending was literally wrong.

Yes, this was perhaps as true to modern japanese society as it could be and I really liked those little details and behavior of other characters but I simply didn't like the way this movie tried to promote similiar actions in other women, telling them revolt and do the same. Almost like in some feminist propaganda.

Instead of being rude and exacting her way of life on others, she should slowly change her way of thinking and find herself some nice hobby that she liked to do. Even if she tried to be tough in spur of the moment her doubts will simply not go away with this action ignited by spur of the moment. Later she would definitely regret what he did, troubling herself even more in the process.

Her daughter was pretty right on the spot. She literally turned the environment of their flat into unmotivated, unrespected place full of worries with suffocating atmosphere for everyone else.

It's kinda sad to know that we actually live in this society of 'sheeps' that don't think and do what they're saying on TV and don't stray from a herd, which is even more true for Japan. At least in this, there is something to think about. But I really don't think the solution this movie offers was viable one and that's why I found its end unsatisfactory.

6/10 for this episode. 7/10 Overall, mainly thanks to great third story.
 
May 5, 2015 2:05 PM

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Depressing but real. That was on hell of a slap to her son. If only she could have done that to Hina, lol.
 
Sep 19, 2015 4:12 PM

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Wow, this was tense. It is sad to think that this happen to a lot of women on real life too.
 
Jun 25, 2016 6:32 AM

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Histerical women throws tantrum, uses violence. How exactly is that epic or funny?
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Jun 25, 2016 8:33 AM

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Histerical women throws tantrum, uses violence. How exactly is that epic or funny?

It's because of the context of the story. Up until then the main character is demonstrating forbearance and self-sacrifice, ostensibly for the sake of her family (which is admired and even expected in Japan) but she snaps out of it because her family aren't reciprocating (her son is rude to her, her husband barely pays any attention) and as her daughter's departure demonstrated she wasn't actually fulfilling her role as a mother. Plus parents slapping children for serious disrespect or wrongdoing doesn't seem to be controversial (if I can judge from depictions in anime) and the way she knocks him over is a dramatic/humorous exaggeration.

This story is about middle-aged angst and being trapped in a rut and the semi-happy ending is the woman "waking up" and living more consciously.
 
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Fronzel said:

Plus parents slapping children for serious disrespect or wrongdoing doesn't seem to be controversial (if I can judge from depictions in anime) and the way she knocks him over is a dramatic/humorous exaggeration.


"Shuuichi, mind if I borrow your bike?"
"Sure."
"Rather, I'm just going to take it. Don't ride it without asking me first."
"Huh? Isn't that a gift for getting accepted into college?! Don't fuck with me! Don't ride my bike without saying anything! Dammit!"
"Dont't fuck with me!" *punch*

So, she asks him if she can borrow his bike, he easily agrees, she acts like a dick which angres him, she vents out stress by punching him.

Either I missed something (with I admit could happen, since I multitasked throught the episode as it was boring for me) or the mother is in the wrong this time.
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Jul 21, 2016 10:01 AM

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This was actually my least liked episode. I know it's only a part of the episode but I just couldn't stand how the daughter behaved towards her mother. Actually it would have made more sense if she slapped her daughter instead of her son.
 
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I never heard about this before watching it and these four episodes were just wonderful. How is this so underwatched? It was so damn good. I go into almost everything I watch with knowing little to nothing about it. That leads to me watching a lot of mediocre things but every now and then I find something like this and it makes it so worth it. 4>2>1>3

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abystoma2 said:
Fronzel said:

Plus parents slapping children for serious disrespect or wrongdoing doesn't seem to be controversial (if I can judge from depictions in anime) and the way she knocks him over is a dramatic/humorous exaggeration.


"Shuuichi, mind if I borrow your bike?"
"Sure."
"Rather, I'm just going to take it. Don't ride it without asking me first."
"Huh? Isn't that a gift for getting accepted into college?! Don't fuck with me! Don't ride my bike without saying anything! Dammit!"
"Dont't fuck with me!" *punch*

So, she asks him if she can borrow his bike, he easily agrees, she acts like a dick which angres him, she vents out stress by punching him.

Either I missed something (with I admit could happen, since I multitasked throught the episode as it was boring for me) or the mother is in the wrong this time.


You need to rewatch the episode again. The son may seldom use the bike as depicted in earlier episode so she asked to make the bike to be hers rather than not be used at all.
He did not agree about that and he keep acting whiny was the trigger after she heard other people's whine in her head. Did you notice all her belongings are handown from her kids? After that the son keep acting whiny so that was the time she 'snapped'.

Have you ever snapped before? I've been once and it was unpleasant feeling. Look at her face after she slapped her son. You have no control on your body and shocked after you did the deed.

I sometimes meet someone on MAL who said 'I multitasked while watching this, so can someone explain this?'. Unless it's gag anime, you need to stop doing that..

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