Death Billiards Episode 1 Discussion
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I've considered some options, like old man being devil and telling the bartender whether the young man deserves to go to hell or heaven, but I suppose that option falls through because of the flashbacks of his life on Earth (unless we're being not tricked, but utterly deceived by creators), and other things like depiction of his surprise throughout the story and the fact that he did not talked again to the bartender after the young man's monologue, which clearly had impact enough to change the outcome.
Then there was a possibility that young man was a reincarnation of old man (considering the talent in billiard, and perhaps a lesser one, for the same reason), and the old man was the one to decide what his other self deserves (something like what kind of life should he be born into). But I suppose that fell through too considering their time frames are overlapping according to the flashback of WWII. Also because of the facts that, while you would be deciding about your own soul on Earth, you would have no gain from it (unless the story is set so that you would, in afterlife), and such a subjective system would not be deserving of the decisions of such magnitude.
One of the unknowns that interest me is the cause of old man's death. Most common answer would be that he died of natural cause, but if you ask me, I tell you, he's evil, and his wife killed him by poisoning his beer. But hey, that'd be just my preference.
Moving onto more interesting stuff - plot holes.
First would be the fact that it's not quite believable that a guy who was a bully and a guy who cheated (more so because it is not clear if he actually went through with it or if he was interrupted before committing the act) should be 'exceptions' (in another words, those who are doubted whether they deserve to go to heaven or not) just because of that, let alone go to hell.
Creator's reason for that could lie in the fact that if they had put a hardcore murderer instead of a not-quite-adulterer, they wouldn't be able to give us an honest resistance (that monologue) that could win over our heart - as they did with our mind - at least not a believable one.
Second would be the fact that they are deciding their fate on the basis of their actions AFTER they died, casting away everything they did WHILE they lived.
While they lived, under the same rules as others!
I'm mentioning this because it is certain that if they had put two people who were predetermined to go to Heaven in the same situation, and repeated the process, by the law of numbers, practically identical scenario would occur, sooner or later, between those two supposedly deserving of heaven.
Third one is a major screw up, for a bartender who brags about equality of set conditions, creators sure did a great job with making a young man feel pain in his abdomen and blurry eyes as a result of a blood loss, AFTER he died.
It makes sense for them to do so, because otherwise they would've no means (at least not interesting ones) to trigger the young man's despair.
As for the masks, earlier in the anime, you can see that the color of elevator doors (and other parts too) are opposite colors to type of the mask, something in the style of yin&yang, which makes it impossible to come to any conclusion (even if all of those would be wrong).
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Very nice and well-written. Thrilling from the start to the end. Almost perfect. Some things were left to our imagination. I appreciate it. It's much better than all-are-told type anime. This way we can keep thinking of the anime. Would be fun if one day we came up with meanings and solutions.
That bartender reminded me of Ginko from Mushishi. Also while watching, I couldn't help but imagine Ashirogi of Bakuman would also write this kind of story.
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Notice how that guy never complained until he was at a disadvantage, you can't say that life's fairness mattered to him before the old man showed his skills, came back from the dead or when he heard about one of them going to hell. He showed some concern when he killed the old man but that was only because of he felt guilty, he soon forgot about it when he saw that the only other individuals in the room were okay with it. I like how the old man was sent to hell, this shows that there is more to the story. This shows that only someone who knows them even more than they know themselves is fit to judge them, someone that has recorded every second of their lifes, someone that vastly transcends human beings. Justice isn't something imperfect beings like us should deal with. That doesn't mean a unique definition of it doesn't exist, it just means that it's beyond us.
That reminds me of something else, it's like when people were laughing at the idea of a human going to space, I can tell that for the last milleniums anyone who said it would be called crazy, but now you'd be called crazy if you denied it. The idea of going to space simply exceeded the humans at that time. And there are countless of other examples, like the earth being round, establishing communication with a faraway person, etc. Humans are still evolving each day even if it's barely noticeable, what you'd call ludicrous today might turn into common knowledge tomorrow. Unfortunately we never learn of this, we are and we will still mock what we can't understand. I can't tell that justice is something we'll ever reach though, we cannot materialize what we can't even give a proper meaning to, and we've been unable to do it for thousands of years now. Only someone that has been watching over the most desolate places on earth, over every corner of the universe, over every living being that set foot on this world, over the most trivial events since the beginning of time knows what justice is. Kind of reminds me of people that demand concrete proof of God's existence, no human will ever be able to do something like that. And even if, by any chance, God appeared in front of all of humanity for a single minute, gave us a glimpse of heaven and hell and told us to worship him, you could say that at that time everyone in the world had no doubt that God exists, everyone longed for heaven and feared hell, after 5min how many will still believe in God? after one day? After a hundred year? and I said still believe, I didn't even say still worship. In the end, it'd be no different from now, so it's up to each one, to either believe in God or not.
I'd say they both should go to hell, but what I think or what any other human thinks doesn't matter here, it's not up to us to decide.
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I liked it in the start, but at the end it didn't really come off as through-provoking. Instead it just vague for the sake of being vague. There's not much to discuss or speculate about and even if you do, nothing will really make any sense.
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I think the young one, remained alive (returned back to his injured body or something). First, he won the game "with his life on stake". Second, bartender said that he changed his predefined fate. And third, at the end bartender said that "saying such things is proof that he was alive". Maybe it means that he was still alive while he said that.
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As for myself, I actually believe that the young man was still alive at the beginning of the OVA.
I suspect that the point being illustrated is that fear of death, as well as the question of Heaven versus Hell are mundane matters, which lose significance to those already dead. The young man still angsting about such a mundane matter and even stressing the point of being "alive" implies that he might actually still be alive. When the bartender responds to him, confirming that he, contrary to the bartender himself, is "alive", he does so in a manner that implies that he would be the only one alive, separating him from the old man.
After all, a knife wound is not necessarily fatal.
The old man, on the other hand, is confirmed as dead, as he is already mourned by his wife. He is not worried about beforementioned "mundane" matters, and so does not show angst about his fate.
I'm not sure where the old man went, but it's important that we remember one thing; that it was nowhere implied that one of them would have to go to Hell in the end. It was not mentioned that the game would necessarily have a "loser".
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I don't get the point of the tradition... are the gates of heaven too small for two souls to get through at the same time? :P
In my opinion the main point of the show was to prove that one's personal aims from outside society's expectations are harmfull to himself. Sad.
The art was great, the duel- perfect.
I loved the angel character design, and the "I understand, it's all right" hug.
I don't know what would've happened within 25 minutes for critics to give a 10.
@Ocean_Sea He was smiling because he's fooled the young guy.
He lost. and whatever the prize was: life or heaven -was supposed to be the young man's fate.
The game was arranged (the old man was master of billiard) so that each one of them would get what deserves.
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This movie. 9/10. Im hooked. its only 25min can you believe it? but its tooooooo..uh. I am damn attracted to it. DAMN THIS IS SO AWESOME! the ending fuck yeah wtf i mean ..man ...!! now thats what we called unique . It left questions that have probability . the oldman obviously 'go to hell' in my humble perspective . but that smirk of him...left me like breathless for a second. I enjoyed this movie a lot , and how they end it satisfied me . I hope there will be an alternative version of this story , I would really love to know how it goes when if theres a series revolves around the bartender 'life' (though he claimed he never did 'alive') .. anyway , this one is one of my favorite show! :)
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