| I mean, let's say that an anime got a perfect story. With memorable characters and things, but it got also a VERY OLD ART. And the sound simply sucks, making you mute it because it would be better without sound them with sound. And let's say theres an anime have a shitty story, with cliches, same characters but amazing art, breathtaking sounds and effects. Which one would be better? |
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| I choose "Poor quality with good storyline." in line with what I posted here: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=388617, characters and plot top all. |
| So basically, would you rather watch Bebop and Lain or SAO and Guilty Crown? |
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lupadim said: I mean, let's say that an anime got a perfect story. With memorable characters and things, but it got also a VERY OLD ART. And the sound simply sucks, making you mute it because it would be better without sound them with sound. And let's say theres an anime have a shitty story, with cliches, same characters but amazing art, breathtaking sounds and effects. Which one would be better? If I want only to know the plot, I would use something really neat called "book". Really, this thing is amazing. Anime is a variation of "animation", no matter how good is the plot, bad art and bad OST will surely take the show down by itself. |
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| Art is literally the last thing on my list of things that can kill an anime, and that's only if it's Welcome to the NHK level of QUALITY animation, and that's not really about the art style to begin with. With sound, I'd say if I couldn't bear to watch something because it sounded annoying, I can't imagine the characters or plot to be good to begin with. Can't think of an anime where this would apply actually. Anyways, you can dress up a present in a fabulous/expensive/sexy box, but if the present is ass, it won't matter much. Angel Beats looks awesome and has one of my favorite openings in anime, but the actual anime falls short of anything great. Conversely, if the box is ass and the present itself is awesome, the only problem is getting people to even approach the thing, let alone open it up. I really like Kaiba and how it's set up, and I totally stopped at episode 3 because I knew it was something special, but I have no idea how the hell to tell people to watch it. My question is, well, why can't both be good? |
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012yArthur0 said: If I want only to know the plot, I would use something really neat called "book". Really, this thing is amazing. Anime is a variation of "animation", no matter how good is the plot, bad art and bad OST will surely take the show down by itself. I honestly couldn't disagree with you more. Ah well, different strokes for different folks. |
| Both art and story department are equally important to me. That is why I generally prefer old-school over modern anime. |
DateYutaka said: SaberRitsu said: So basically, would you rather watch Bebop and Lain or SAO and Guilty Crown? most sensiable people would watch Lain over most things but on the other hand Lain is such an anime that can never be replicated  |
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FauxAzn said: 012yArthur0 said: If I want only to know the plot, I would use something really neat called "book". Really, this thing is amazing. Anime is a variation of "animation", no matter how good is the plot, bad art and bad OST will surely take the show down by itself. I honestly couldn't disagree with you more. Ah well, different strokes for different folks. Well, even if the plot is amazing, bad art and bad ost will hurt the anime, and generally it is a lot. Because frankly, it makes me ask, if the plot is this amazing, why make the art so bad? Like... not making a different adaptation wouldn't suit better? LNs, Books, VNs... so many of them, cheaper and less room to complain. |
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SaberRitsu said: DateYutaka said: SaberRitsu said: So basically, would you rather watch Bebop and Lain or SAO and Guilty Crown? most sensiable people would watch Lain over most things but on the other hand Lain is such an anime that can never be replicated [/quoteNo joke ] |
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| The animations and quality has a great influence on what I watch but if it has poor quality I would usually search a review before watching. |
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012yArthur0 said: If I want only to know the plot, I would use something really neat called "book". Really, this thing is amazing. Anime is a variation of "animation", no matter how good is the plot, bad art and bad OST will surely take the show down by itself. Yeah because a good story is the only thing that makes a good book, and not the writing style. SaberRitsu said: So basically, would you rather watch Bebop and Lain or SAO and Guilty Crown? Uhh are you implying that Bebop and Lain have a bad OST? |
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| Good story is more important than art quality. It would be waste not to watch shows like Madoka and Steins;Gate just because they look terrible. But then, what does good art quality mean, if the story is complete rubbish? |
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Zerkalo said: 012yArthur0 said: If I want only to know the plot, I would use something really neat called "book". Really, this thing is amazing. Anime is a variation of "animation", no matter how good is the plot, bad art and bad OST will surely take the show down by itself. Yeah because a good story is the only thing that makes a good book, and not the writing style. SaberRitsu said: So basically, would you rather watch Bebop and Lain or SAO and Guilty Crown? Uhh are you implying that Bebop and Lain have a bad OST? Aren't writing style and plot related somewhat? What good is a plot if it is told badly? |
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Uhh are you implying that Bebop and Lain have a bad OST? No, it's just that OP was making it out as if old art means bad art |
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012yArthur0 said: Zerkalo said: 012yArthur0 said: If I want only to know the plot, I would use something really neat called "book". Really, this thing is amazing. Anime is a variation of "animation", no matter how good is the plot, bad art and bad OST will surely take the show down by itself. Yeah because a good story is the only thing that makes a good book, and not the writing style. SaberRitsu said: So basically, would you rather watch Bebop and Lain or SAO and Guilty Crown? Uhh are you implying that Bebop and Lain have a bad OST? Aren't writing style and plot related somewhat? What good is a plot if it is told badly? Isn't it exactly the same for anime? |
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| These days, most new viewers will clearly take visuals (and sound) over story. As for me, I'm not too worried about sound but visuals can cause me to stray away from the show or lose interest. I might be missing out on a fantastic anime but so what? It's my loss, not yours. I'm aware of that. Does what I choose to watch really matter too you? |
Zerkalo said: 012yArthur0 said: Zerkalo said: 012yArthur0 said: If I want only to know the plot, I would use something really neat called "book". Really, this thing is amazing. Anime is a variation of "animation", no matter how good is the plot, bad art and bad OST will surely take the show down by itself. Yeah because a good story is the only thing that makes a good book, and not the writing style. SaberRitsu said: So basically, would you rather watch Bebop and Lain or SAO and Guilty Crown? Uhh are you implying that Bebop and Lain have a bad OST? Aren't writing style and plot related somewhat? What good is a plot if it is told badly? Isn't it exactly the same for anime? Then you agreeing with me that even if the plot is good, a bad art can hurt it? |
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012yArthur0 said: Zerkalo said: 012yArthur0 said: Zerkalo said: 012yArthur0 said: If I want only to know the plot, I would use something really neat called "book". Really, this thing is amazing. Anime is a variation of "animation", no matter how good is the plot, bad art and bad OST will surely take the show down by itself. Yeah because a good story is the only thing that makes a good book, and not the writing style. SaberRitsu said: So basically, would you rather watch Bebop and Lain or SAO and Guilty Crown? Uhh are you implying that Bebop and Lain have a bad OST? Aren't writing style and plot related somewhat? What good is a plot if it is told badly? Isn't it exactly the same for anime? Then you agreeing with me that even if the plot is good, a bad art can hurt it? That's not what I mean. I'm just saying that your argument about books makes no sense. But yeah, I agree that plot and the presentation (soundtrack and art) are equally important. |
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Zerkalo said: 012yArthur0 said: Zerkalo said: 012yArthur0 said: Zerkalo said: 012yArthur0 said: If I want only to know the plot, I would use something really neat called "book". Really, this thing is amazing. Anime is a variation of "animation", no matter how good is the plot, bad art and bad OST will surely take the show down by itself. Yeah because a good story is the only thing that makes a good book, and not the writing style. SaberRitsu said: So basically, would you rather watch Bebop and Lain or SAO and Guilty Crown? Uhh are you implying that Bebop and Lain have a bad OST? Aren't writing style and plot related somewhat? What good is a plot if it is told badly? Isn't it exactly the same for anime? Then you agreeing with me that even if the plot is good, a bad art can hurt it? That's not what I mean. I'm just saying that your argument about books makes no sense. But yeah, I agree that plot and the presentation (soundtrack and art) are equally important. It does make sense, although I do agree that I made it badly. I just meant that, a "plot" from a book is much more directed at the story itself, while the producers of anime have not only to work at the plot, but at the graphics and OST. Which comes the question: if the plot is awesome and the art/ost is bad, isn't better to make in a different adaptation, or at least, temporarily? VNs are much cheaper at the point, and it is a good story-teller. |
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| Better plot 10/10 times, alot of the newer anime have picked up on the fact that tards just care about art so why bother working for a plot as well, and as such the era of Ecchi/Harems has come ... literally just carbon copies of one another with the only difference being Hair Color (maybe they try and add some retarded plot but since art and fan service are more important the plot is comparable to a porn) |
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Pirating_Ninja said: Better plot 10/10 times, alot of the newer anime have picked up on the fact that tards just care about art so why bother working for a plot as well, and as such the era of Ecchi/Harems has come ... literally just carbon copies of one another with the only difference being Hair Color (maybe they try and add some retarded plot but since art and fan service are more important the plot is comparable to a porn) As a gamer, that sounds just like the Call of Duty franchise. Lols... |
| Visuals and sound are equally as important as plot when it comes to the animated medium. If an anime doesn't use its visuals and sounds to their full advantage, then what's the point of even wasting time and money making an anime? Just write a book. On the other side of the coin, I don't like it when an anime butchers an adaptation or copies from an existing cash cow (i.e. the era of moe and ecchi/harem) just to make a quick buck, no matter how good the visuals and sounds are. |
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gamer2710 said: Visuals and sound are equally as important as plot when it comes to the animated medium. If an anime doesn't use its visuals and sounds to their full advantage, then what's the point of even wasting time and money making an anime? Just write a book. On the other side of the coin, I don't like it when an anime butchers an adaptation or copies from an existing cash cow (i.e. the era of moe and ecchi/harem) just to make a quick buck, no matter how good the visuals and sounds are. ^This. But a mention about the second part. -There is always a way to get easy buck in a specific form of art. Games? Just look at CoD and Capcom with the constant recycling gameplays with a tweak or two at graphics. And Animes, you pretty much said. |
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| I'd say I want to have both. If I find both factors satisfactory then it gets a high score. If not or at least one factor not satisfactory then it would at least get a decent or mid high score to me |
| If I wanted to look for a good plot/story I'd read a good book. There's a reason why animation became what it is today and that's to adapt story. Aside from that I don't think the detail of the art contributes to any more or less the quality of the anime. Art in animation would have to strike an emotional response. For example I respond so much better to older anime art because of the nostalgic impact it has on me. And it's something that I grew up watching back in the 80's. |
| Ideally, both. But, I'd choose good story with bad animation over the latter. Does it affect how I score a show? Marginally...because I factor in those last. Plus, if the story is really good and I thoroughly enjoyed it, then its bad animation and sound is easily forgiven. |
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| Of course. It's a part of the anime just as story or characters. |
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| In this case, I'd go for the good story line over good visuals. However, some anime with HORRIBLE horrible visuals just don't excite me (mainly some of the older anime) and I can't watch them. Seeing as my two favorite anime are Evangelion and Bebop though, which are 90s anime, I don't mind the old art styles much. |
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| As long as it isn't terrible, as in distracting, art/animation isn't really a big deal to me. Sound kind of is, though. Well placed music can make a great scene even better and solid voice work can make even the hokiest moments better than they would be otherwise. Of course, well done animation for fight scenes can definitely help as well. Eh, it really depends. But generally speaking sound is more important to me along with the storyline/characters. |
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gamer2710 said: Visuals and sound are equally as important as plot when it comes to the animated medium. If an anime doesn't use its visuals and sounds to their full advantage, then what's the point of even wasting time and money making an anime? Just write a book. On the other side of the coin, I don't like it when an anime butchers an adaptation or copies from an existing cash cow (i.e. the era of moe and ecchi/harem) just to make a quick buck, no matter how good the visuals and sounds are. THIS |
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| The art yes but the sound other than the voice actors i don't really pay much attention to it or think it is that important. |
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| Whel i like when anime has bout Good quality art and good storyline but if i would hawe to choose i would choose good storyline. |
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| Design, probably. But sound, not really. |
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ZetaZaku said: Good story is more important than art quality. It would be waste not to watch shows like Madoka and Steins;Gate just because they look terrible. But then, what does good art quality mean, if the story is complete rubbish? You can add Fate/zero there. Man that show looks like it's castrated. |
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| Hmm, so far I haven't watched anything with bad art, and sounds have always been average to amazing, so I wonder. |
| Plot and characters > all. So, even though, good visuals are nice on the eyes, it's not really all the important to me. Less so in old anime. Poor quality with good storyline. SaberRitsu said: So basically, would you rather watch Bebop and Lain or SAO and Guilty Crown? Obligatory unnecessary hate post. |
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