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Mar 12, 2013 3:32 AM
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Here are the weekly Blu-ray & CD rankings for March 4th - 10th.

Blu-ray
*1, 42,880 42,880 Nekomonogatari: Kuro vol.1 Limited Edition
*2, *2,358 *2,358 GJ-bu vol.1
*3, *1,941 33,536 Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki
*4, *1,882 26,831 Sword Art Online vol.5 Limited Edition
*5, *1,845 *1,845 Ookami to Koushinryou Blu-ray Box
*6, *1,103 10,359 Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki Blu-ray + DVD
*7, **,897 **,897 Ixion Saga DT vol.4
*8, **,840 *4,796 Ore no Kanojo to Osananajimi ga Shuraba Sugiru vol.1 Limited Edition
*9, **,729 *8,776 Little Busters! vol.3 Limited Edition
10, **,710 23,463 Biohazard: Damnation Limited Edition

DVD
*1, 6,843 *,**6,843 Initial D Fifth Stage vol.3
*2, 5,654 *,**5,654 Nekomonogatari: Kuro vol.1 Limited Edition
*3, 3,645 *,*33,516 Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki
*4, 2,028 *,**2,028 One Piece 15th Season vol.4
*5, 1,154 *,*24,160 Biohazard: Damnation
*6, 1,114 *,**1,114 Naruto: Shippuuden Kyubi Shoaku to Inga naru Kaiko no Sho vol.6
*7, *,841 *,***,841 Ixion Saga DT vol.4
*8, *,834 *,**3,743 Aikatsu! vol.1
*9, *,768 *,**7,396 Yorinuki Gintama-san On Theater 2D Kabuki-cho Shitenno Hen
10, *,718 *,*19,151 Kuroko no Basket vol.8
11, *,710 *,**4,414 Magi vol.3 Limited Edition
12, *,669 *,**6,565 Sword Art Online vol.5 Limited Edition
14, *,562 *,*10,171 Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199 vol.4
15, *,547 1,182,026 Tonari no Totoro
17, *,467 *,**4,570 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure vol.2 Limited Edition
19, *,443 *,**2,268 Ore no Kanojo to Osananajimi ga Shuraba Sugiru vol.1 Limited Edition
22, *,424 *,***,424 Fairy Tail vol.38
23, *,418 *,**5,896 Kamiusagi Rope 3
24, *,416 *,**5,738 Kamiusagi Rope 1
26, *,397 *,**5,503 Kamiusagi Rope Movie Standard Edition
28, *,387 *,**3,684 Hakuouki Reimeiroku vol.6 Limited Edition
29, *,375 *,*10,358 Initial D Fifth Stage vol.2
30, *,355 *,**6,433 Kamiusagi Rope 2

Single CD
*3, 34,718 34,718 Magi "Kagayaku Hoshi no Shita de"
*6, 20,965 20,965 Psycho-Pass "All Alone With You"
*7, 13,462 13,462 Love Live! School Idol Project "Korekara no Someday" "Wonder zone"
*9, 10,993 10,993 Psycho-Pass "Out of Control"
11, 10,028 10,028 Dokidoki! Precure "Happy Go Lucky! Doki Doki! Precure" "Kono Sora no Mukoh"
12, *9,099 77,883 Doraemon: Nobita no Himitsu Dogu Hakubutsukan "Mirai no Museum"
18, *4,953 *4,953 Puchimas!: Petit iDOLM@STER vol.10 Hibiki
19, *4,868 *4,868 Puchimas!: Petit iDOLM@STER vol.9 Iori
33, *2,534 *2,534 Hanasaku Iroha: Home Sweet Home "Kagefumi"
40, *1,991 17,642 Love Live! School Idol Project "Susume→Tomorrow" "Start:Dash!!"
44, *1,607 38,310 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure "Bloody Stream"

Source: Oricon Youtaiju
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Mar 12, 2013 3:34 AM
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Not even 50k for NekoKuro?


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Blu-ray
*2, *2,358 *2,358 GJ-bu vol.1
*8, **,840 *4,796 Ore no Kanojo to Osananajimi ga Shuraba Sugiru vol.1 Limited Edition
*9, **,729 *8,776 Little Busters! vol.3 Limited Edition

DVD
*4, 2,028 *,**2,028 One Piece 15th Season vol.4
19, *,443 *,**2,268 Ore no Kanojo to Osananajimi ga Shuraba Sugiru vol.1 Limited Edition
22, *,424 *,***,424 Fairy Tail vol.38

GJ-bu seriously surprising me.
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Mar 12, 2013 3:36 AM
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GJ-bu?????

Humanity has really declined...
Mar 12, 2013 3:41 AM
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Not even 50k for NekoKuro?


To be fair, it is 48,534 when you combine BD and DVD sales. So just below 50k.

Of course it sold lower in the 1st week than Nisemonogatari for comparison. It''ll definitely reach 50k by next week, since it still ranked fairly high on BD for Mar 11 and also did rank on DVD. However, it has been many days since release for some of the titles that ranked on Mar 11. So it may not amount to much yesterday, but it should become significant if it continues to rank from Mar 12 to Mar 17.

偽物語 【全5巻】
巻数    初動       2週計      累計     発売日
      BD(DVD)     BD(DVD)    BD(DVD)
01巻 50,160(*7,352) 53,171(*8,310) 56,542(*8,591) 12.04.25 ※合計 65,133枚
02巻 43,263(*7,515) 48,081(*8,622) 51,213(*8,885) 12.05.23 ※合計 60,098枚
03巻 43,306(*7,598) 47,218(*8,322) 50,404(*8,558) 12.06.27 ※合計 58,962枚
04巻 43,358(*7,737) 47,247(*8,596) 50,216(*8,865) 12.07.25 ※合計 59,081枚
05巻 46,304(*7,051) 50,155(*8,030) 51,598(**,***) 12.08.22 ※合計 59,628枚
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Mar 12, 2013 3:55 AM
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There is nothing I know in CD list.
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Mar 12, 2013 3:56 AM
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Mod Edit: Please use spoiler tags for large images.
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Mar 12, 2013 3:58 AM
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Oreman LV.2 active.
LunaMar 12, 2013 5:48 AM
Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together.
Mar 12, 2013 4:06 AM
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bippo said:
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At least shrink the images down better if you're going to do something like that. Also at its current pace OreShura Vol. 2 is going to be lucky to sell much (if any) more than GJ-bu so you might want to put the triumphalism on hold for a couple more weeks... neither is looking all that great.
OreShura vol that have A-chan will have the biggest sell.
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Mar 12, 2013 4:09 AM
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jmal said:
Also at its current pace OreShura Vol. 2 is going to be lucky to sell much (if any) more than GJ-bu so you might want to put the triumphalism on hold for a couple more weeks... neither is looking all that great.

I'll be suprised if GJ doesn't outsell OreShura after all the volumes are out. Looking forward to the average sales numbers. And yeah sales are looking dull this season. We need LoveLive to salvage them all.
Mar 12, 2013 4:14 AM

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There is nothing I know in CD list.


Um, LoveLive! Psycho Pass, Hanasaku Iroha Anyone?

Glad to see Someday / Wonder Zone doing we ll and Susume Tomorrow ->Start Dash still charting.
Mar 12, 2013 4:19 AM

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*3, 34,718 34,718 Magi "Kagayaku Hoshi no Shita de"
*6, 20,965 20,965 Psycho-Pass "All Alone With You"
*9, 10,993 10,993 Psycho-Pass "Out of Control"

Nice :)
Mar 12, 2013 4:21 AM

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GJ-bu?????

Humanity has really declined...


Why?

I am more surprised that OreShura is in that list than GJ-Bu ranking second.
Mar 12, 2013 4:25 AM

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GJ-bu?????
Humanity has really declined...
Indeed, I think it must be the decline of humanity and its population that caused the sales of GJ-bu to go below the projected estimate of 2.5k by Amazon Stalker !!

Key observations:

- As mentioned above, GJ-bu surprisingly underperformed compared to the Stalker projection.

- Kuromonogatari also underperformed compared to expectation. It sold 10k less than Nise which is really significant

- OreShura got a late boost in 2nd week. Many suspect the succession of at least 4 Ai-chan episodes that helped secure this boost. Of course the real test will come when v2 comes to sell and so far it seems to be heading to a considerably more modest sales (GJ-bu seems to be doing better on this regard). No matter what, OreShura is now a strong candidate to claim a spot among the TOP FOUR for this season, together with LoveLive, ViviPan and Haganai next.

- Initial D and Little Busters are maintaining its level of sales for the latest volume. Encouraging. On the other hand, Magi is seeing HUGE drop in sales for v3 -- reports from Akihabara confirmed that big discount sales for the disc has already started. NOT encouraging.

- Aikatsu is also performing surprisingly well. At 3.7k it now overtook Sakuraso (3.6k) in terms of vol.1 sales.

On CD side:

- Magi OP doing very well - Expected as it is from the famous band PornoGraffiti. On the other hand, OP2 and ED2 of Psycho-Pass are also doing well. Egoist's ED2 even made over 20k !

- And we must not forget the ongoing good performance of the second insert song single for LoveLive (Wonderzone) while the first insert song single is still ranking.

- Doki Doki Precure OP/ED single also made >10k in sales. Cool.
symbvMar 12, 2013 4:45 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Mar 12, 2013 4:36 AM

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jmal said:
I'd say the Stalker projection was very close for both, it's just that we thought other factors would push GJ-bu higher.
Precisely, the consensus in the 2ch Sales Thread is that GJ-bu is strong on storefront, so everyone expected it to overshoot, NOT undershoot. Even though the Stalker projection is pretty spot-on the reaction is one of undisguised surprise.

jmal said:
As for Nekomonogatari, I didn't expect much better than what Stalker predicted. I do hope it has a long enough tail to hit 60k, but 11.5k is a lot to make up.
First week sales of less than 50k is pretty an ouch moment for a -monogatari title. Even though most people expected it to perform weaker than Nise, few people had guessed it would not even reach 50k in the first week. And according to Stalker, vol.2 could fare even worse...
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Mar 12, 2013 4:43 AM
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I guess NekoKuro will go up until 55k at best. 50k blurays which is the standard for xxx-monogatari since Bake.

That said, I doubt the 2nd season will reach 50k at all. Did a 2-cour anime averaged 50k showed up excluding Eva??
Mar 12, 2013 4:49 AM

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Not sure why 2ch thought GJ-bu was strong on storefront. I don't remember seeing it rank all that noticeably outside of Amazon. I thought it would do better only because I thought a lot of orders would come late, not in enough time to accumulate high Stalker points.
Late orders could be a factor but unlike OreShura I am not sure what might have caused any flush of late orders for GJ-bu. If the main factor is indeed late orders, then we should see the number improves in later weeks. The big rush of new releases does not happen until next week, so we may be able to see numbers for GJ-bu on its second week.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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Oh, by late orders I mean I mean in the 3-4 weeks before release, not last minute orders that wouldn't be counted in the first week.
Hmm.. that makes it a bit puzzling as to what could have caused these orders coming in the last 3-4 weeks. I don't think the announcement of the packaging design would push the sales that much. And in terms of boost from episodes being aired, perhaps the debut of the sisters helped but from what I saw in fans' feedback the effect looks much more prominent for OreShura with its row of Ai-chan episodes. Hmm...
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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Why would you buy Nekomonogatari ( Kuro ) 1 but not 2? Makes no sense to me... I can understand buying just the first of a two cour series but not one of two discs.

Compare packages and there isn't much different other than just one illustration card in Neko. On the shelf it is difficult to see the difference. Too much resemblance to Tsubasa Cat in Bakemonogatari maybe? Same old? I love it but it isn't as new and fresh as the first series, that I admit.
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GJ-bu, nice.

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Mar 12, 2013 5:02 AM
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The only 2+ cour anime over 40k since 2000 are:

Woah it would be an accomplishment for Aniplex just getting above CGR2. But seeing SAO struggling to get 40k... I guess we have to wait and see if Shaft can wow casuals for an extra 10k sales.
Mar 12, 2013 5:08 AM
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Why would you buy Nekomonogatari ( Kuro ) 1 but not 2? Makes no sense to me... I can understand buying just the first of a two cour series but not one of two discs.

Because Aniplex could have just made Neko a box-set instead of 2 volumes for budget reasons. It is more cheaper but will be not profitable. It WILL go 75k if they just do that. But Aniplex went greed mode to go 50k+50k. With that, it also hit me that they can outsell Bake's 80k if they decide to put each arc into one box-set for the 2nd season.
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hpulley said:
Why would you buy Nekomonogatari ( Kuro ) 1 but not 2? Makes no sense to me... I can understand buying just the first of a two cour series but not one of two discs.

Replying to my post? What I was getting at is that people wouldn't do that, hence I expect Vol. 2 to sell about the same as Vol. 1. I was just explaining why the Stalker points being so much lower is misleading.


Yes, I was agreeing with you, questioning those who said volume two would do worse. Sorry for the confusion.
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I'm not talking about anecdotal fan feedback, but rather its preorder ranking.
I know you are talking about preorder ranking in Amazon. You said so in one of your earlier posts. I was just trying to think aloud what might have caused the jump in preorder ranking after mid-Feb. And among the various observations I made including fan feedback I have yet to find a clear reason for the jump, although if I must name one I'd say the debut of the sisters is the most likely reason.
symbvMar 12, 2013 5:13 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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I don't think putting it in one volume would raise sales by anything like 50%.


It is a risk. I'm stuck at the middle since most will buy it regardless. Anyway can't wait for summer if they can pull another hit.
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*5, *1,845 *1,845 Ookami to Koushinryou Blu-ray Box

WOOP!
>_<
Mar 12, 2013 5:45 AM

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^ So you decide to buy Yama no Susume after all? Great. One thing that is a bit odd is its late release date -- right in the second half of May !

As for me, the sure one to buy is LoveLive. As for the rest I am still weighing the options.
symbvMar 12, 2013 6:48 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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Everything -monogatari related sells well, to be expected.
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jmal said:
symbv said:
^ So you decide to buy Yama no Susume after all? Great. One thing that is a bit odd is its late release date -- right in the second half of May !

Yeah, this season I'm going with, in order of importance:

Definite
1. Tamako Market
2. Yama no Susume
3. Vividred Operation
4. Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai Next

Tentative
5. Maoyuu Maou Yuusha
6. Minami-ke Tadaima
7. GJ-bu


Yama no Susume manga volume 3 and Yama no Susume ED CD Staccato Days have shipped already this week and I have pre-ordered Yama no Susme BD as well.

I am importing BDs of, unless I change my mind:
0. Yama no Susume (1 disc short)
1. LoveLive!
2. Kotoursa-san
3. Da Capo III
4. VividRed Operation
5. Boku no Imouto wa Osaka Okan (1 disc short)
6. Mangirl! (1 disc short)
7. Wooser (1 disc short)
8. Chihayafuru 2 boxes
9. Another box
10. Nozoki Ana Sexy (1 disc OVA)
11. Dakara Boku wa H ga Dekinai (1 disc OVA)

12. Maybe even AKB0048 Next Stage... total surprise for me, really enjoying it, especially the last few episodes. The cheap first volume has sucked me in at least. Some of the episodes maybe not... and some bad CGI dancing so this one is, ahem, definitely dancing on the edge this season.

It is waaay too much... but I really like them all. I can still cut preorders out now but it is like deciding on which children to sacrifice... is there a support group for this?
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Hmhm, hoping that the Blu Ray Box of Spice& Wolf will continue to sell steady, it'll only up the changes of that forsaken third season..
Mar 12, 2013 6:53 AM

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Nekomonogatari Kuro is kicking the ass.
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Since Oricon bumped the list up to 100 spots, Neko will probably rank for much longer. All 4 episodes also aired at the same time so the first volume shouldn't get many more purchases than the second one. There's a possibility the average of Nekomonogatari will end up even higher than Nise if only for recorded numbers.

Talking about the second season, there's a rather huge change since the narrator starts switching to the other characters. There could be either a huge increase or decrease in sales depending on how it turns out. Some of the later novels like Koimonogatari sold significantly more than either Bake, Nise, or Neko so I'm betting on a sales increase.
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jmal said:
hpulley said:
I am importing BDs of, unless I change my mind:

Heh I usually don't list my boxsets, movies, OVAs etc., because if I just think about the TV series I can sometimes trick myself into thinking that's the other expenses don't count...


These aren't the boxed sets you're looking for... LOL

So if I don't count the boxes, 1 disc shorts, OVAs or movies, and Nekomonogatari which isn't really a series either then really its just four series, right, if I convince myself I don't want AKB0048 Next Stage then I just have...

1. LoveLive!
2. Kotoura-san
3. Da Capo III
4. Vividred Operation

That isn't so bad, is it? We'll also conveniently forget about the summer and fall series we're still importing... and the spring ones we're already dreaming about...
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What a sad week.

Damn you Japan for hating or Hanekawa, she's the best -monogatari.

GJ-bu's result is very disappointing after its good ranks in past weeks. DVDs were predicted for 430 but they're less than 355... I thought it would be underestimated and sell slightly more than 3k combined...

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It must be very tiring to act so melodramatic all the time.

But once again, people are looking at a ranking number and ignoring the actual sales. This is a very slow week. Ranking second (just on BD, just for animation) is meaningless in such a week, and 2.4k is not good at all. It was projected for 2.5k but more to the point, most people expected it would do better than that because it's coming out early in the season and had been ranking really well on Amazon late in its run, so the thought was it would beat estimates that were being depressed by very poor early performance. Then in the daily rankings it was doing better than SAO Vol. 5's second week. And it did beat it, but SAO had a very small second week by its usual standard, so beating it didn't mean much.

This does motivate me to consider it a bit more seriously for import. It's really cheap (¥6090 x 4!) and it got much better than my lukewarm first impression.
I was surprised you didn't consider it in your import plans before. GJ-bu is really good, one of better shows this season, only 0048 and Chihayafuru S2 are better IMO with Love Live, Vividred and Mondaiji being similar level.
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12. Maybe even AKB0048 Next Stage... total surprise for me, really enjoying it, especially the last few episodes. The cheap first volume has sucked me in at least. Some of the episodes maybe not... and some bad CGI dancing so this one is, ahem, definitely dancing on the edge this season.
Why is it total surprise for you? You didn't like First Stage? I think both seasons are amazing, second slightly more so far. That's why I don't get why is it ranking so low, last vol of First Stage sold 4k and Next looks like it won't even get 3k... Yes, CG is rather bad but combination of music, lights, all the emotions and radiance during concerts makes me forget about this single flaw.
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Talking about the second season, there's a rather huge change since the narrator starts switching to the other characters. There could be either a huge increase or decrease in sales depending on how it turns out.

They can cut out the whole monologue of the girls(and Kaiki) and do it with symbolism and facial expression. Not just the little parts but I'm talking about all of them.
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hpulley said:
12. Maybe even AKB0048 Next Stage... total surprise for me, really enjoying it, especially the last few episodes. The cheap first volume has sucked me in at least. Some of the episodes maybe not... and some bad CGI dancing so this one is, ahem, definitely dancing on the edge this season.
Why is it total surprise for you? You didn't like First Stage? I think both seasons are amazing, second slightly more so far. That's why I don't get why is it ranking so low, last vol of First Stage sold 4k and Next looks like it won't even get 3k... Yes, CG is rather bad but combination of music, lights, all the emotions and radiance during concerts makes me forget about this single flaw.


No, I like first stage too just wasn't expecting this out of a show which makes AKB0048 into fighting idols. I have liked singing idols in space since Lynn Minmei in Macross and this has them in mecha too. It is the emotional impact I wasn't expecting. I thought it would just be silly fun and songs and dancing.

I love LoveLive! But in many respects AKB0048 actually has a lot more going on.

GJ Bu I also didn't love the first few episodes. Recent ones are better but didn't make me want to import it enough.
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Yes! Neko is on top. SHAFT has done it again.
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*1, 6,843 *,**6,843 Initial D Fifth Stage vol.3
*4, 2,028 *,**2,028 One Piece 15th Season vol.4
Happy about these, I need 6th stage.
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Pretty slow week.
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Pretty slow week.
It will be even slower next week. All I can see are K v6, K v7, Love Hina BD Box, Cat's Eye BD Box and Taka no Tsume.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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Yes! Neko is on top. SHAFT has done it again.


It's an established franchise at this point, they didn't really have to "do" anything, it was kind of a foregone conclusion. Personally stuff like Girls Und Panzer (even though I still barely grasp it's popularity) being made into a smash hit impresses me more cause they made a hit out of an original unheard of franchise and did it with no big names that I can see.

As symbv points out though Nekomonogatari saw a 10K drop from the previous series which is pretty significant and Nisemonogatari was about a 10K drop from Bakemonogatari if I recall. If the trend carries that would put the next series in the 30K category. Still profitable, but are SHAFT really satisfied with a continual drop off like that I wonder?
Mar 12, 2013 11:27 AM

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I'm sure any company would be okay with a show still selling as much as 10 average selling anime combined.

Mar 12, 2013 11:33 AM

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RyanSaotome said:
I'm sure any company would be okay with a show still selling as much as 10 average selling anime combined.


That's not really the point I was trying to make. When you suddenly lose 15,000-20,000 customers over the course of 2 entries in a franchise or roughly a quarter to a third of the audience you started with I think the producers would be asking what they can do to get those numbers back next time or at least stop the trend of 10,000K less with each entry. It's just a logical business outlook.
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^ I have always thought that this is why doing the "second season" in one two-cour chunk is probably a good idea. If they took another ~5 years to adapt all the remaining material in separate seasons, interest would probably wane significantly by the end. This way they have the final disc out (not counting Kizu) by some time in mid 2014 or thereabouts. The franchise runs five years total, makes boatloads of money, and goes out on a high note.


Yeah there often is a sort of decay over time for franchises that seems to occur if you leave anything sitting more than a 6 months to a year tops in-between. Sunrise's examples of this approach with hits like Code Geass, Horizon, Gundam Seed and Gundam 00, Gintama to name a few often shows very little dropoff and even in some cases improvement in numbers with successive seasons, but then again it almost seems like they don't play fair to begin with. I get the sense their brand is on several different levels over in Japan than it is here and actually stands for something positive so it might just be that.

Then again Kuromonogatari and Nisemonogatari weren't all that much more than a year apart so that possibly doesn't explain it. I hear from a lot of people who follow the franchise (I'm personally very much not a fan so I go with outside opinions on this matter) that say they haven't enjoyed the successive seasons nearly as much as the first one so if that's the case over in Japan too it'd explain a lot.
Mar 12, 2013 12:04 PM

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I will just say first week sales does not equal total sales, Neko can still do better. And for a 4 episode show it's doing pretty damn good already.
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Then again Kuromonogatari and Nisemonogatari weren't all that much more than a year apart so that possibly doesn't explain it. I hear from a lot of people who follow the franchise (I'm personally very much not a fan so I go with outside opinions on this matter) that say they haven't enjoyed the successive seasons nearly as much as the first one so if that's the case over in Japan too it'd explain a lot.
From what I read in Japanese forum, there are a couple of reasons that are quoted as reason why Neko-Kuro is not doing that well compared to Nise/Bake. Of course waning popularity as the freshness of the franchise wears off is one. Besides that other possible reasons given include:
- Neko Kuro is considered one of the weaker entries in the novel series
- Neko Kuro features mainly just Tsubasa which distinguishes it from Nise/Bake where a bigger cast can be seen
- The title is going to have a long tail so the sales will add up
- As there are just two volumes, people may wait until April to buy both volumes together
- As there are just two volumes, they can be easily be incorporated in any BD Box together with Nise or even Bake 2nd season. People do not feel that driven to have to buy the anime now.

Of course some reasons may be more valid than others, and some may not be really much of an explanation even. For example, Nise is also considered a weaker part of the series yet it looks Neko-Kuro is not going to perform as well as Nise. Also even with a long tail, it does not seem it is going to go much above 55k, which still makes it lower than Nise. Anyway, just posting them to share what I read so far from Japanese source.

And I agree with jmal that perhaps it is better to strike while the iron is hot for animating the 2nd Season, particularly since by consensus some of the weakest entries of the series are found in the 2nd Season (Hana and Oni are the titles most commonly mentioned, and yes they are widely considered to be weaker than say Neko-Kuro). Grouping them altogether in one whole TV series is a good way to boost the sales appeal.
symbvMar 12, 2013 12:28 PM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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Someone mind telling me as to why OreShura is selling moderately okay?

I'm not trying to troll or flamebait here, I'm honestly curious. The story, artwork, and all just don't seem like the type of things that I'd see selling ~4k. My personal guess would've been around 2k given the artwork, characters, and what not. Any particular reason why it's doing alright?

I know it's not selling spectacular either, but yeah, just seems higher to me then I would've thought.
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Apparently the first volume came with an event ticket, so we'll have to see how the next volumes are going to do. I didn't expect the show to sell that decently myself either, but well, dropped it 5 minutes into ep2, so I was somewhat biased I guess.
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Someone mind telling me as to why OreShura is selling moderately okay?
I'm not trying to troll or flamebait here, I'm honestly curious. The story, artwork, and all just don't seem like the type of things that I'd see selling ~4k. My personal guess would've been around 2k given the artwork, characters, and what not. Any particular reason why it's doing alright?
Well, pre-season guesses by Japanese fans in 2ch Sales Thread put the sales at 5k (median value). I would say they based their guesses on quite a number of things, including understanding of what sells in Japan, that perhaps you did not take account of. For one thing, OreShura had already acquired a fan base and is not an obscure LN at all - I would say it is among the better known LN among the LN adaptation works this season. Second, the character design is among the more popular kind of design in Japan. Third, technical details like the art style and seiyuu choice also seem to fit what fans want from the adaptation. These are all details the fans based on without seeing a single episode to make the prediction.

Granted, most of the predictions for titles this season prove to be overestimation because it turns out this season is a weak season -- fans' buy power seems to be sapped after a better-than-expected Fall season and before a highly expectant Spring Season. So this 5k value needs to be adjusted downwards. But on the other hand, OreShura vol.1 sees its sales vastly boosted by the fact that 1) it contains only 1 episode thus making it much cheaper to acquire 2) it contains an event ticket which further boosts its appeal to buyer. All these mean the opposite forces cancelled each other and we may have somewhere above the 5k line here already. The rest of the push I would say comes from a hugely popular series of episodes in the last 4 weeks or so after the debut of the character Ai. This is one main reason why although the Stalker predicts a sales of around 4k or so we saw enough of sales happen just before or after the release date that the final sales at >7k is much higher than the Stalker projection.

The subsequent volumes will definitely see lower sales. The question is how much lower. Stalker is calling perhaps 3k for vol.2, which would be within the range of what a harem LN adaptation can do if it does not mess up. So we'll see if it ends up also beating the projection by a large margin or not.
symbvMar 12, 2013 1:40 PM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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