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Mar 2, 2013 10:00 AM
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symbv said:
twintiger said:
Have you forget that weapon was use by non-espers, and don't you remember what happen after the the dark history. Non-espers are still out there.
Yeah, but at that time the weapon was developed exclusively to be used against the espers, hence the name.


yeah, I know want you mean. It's just bugging me when I thought pychobuster is something more cooler.
 
Mar 2, 2013 10:10 AM

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I don't get it.

The only thing that stops the cantus users from wiping out the queerrat colonies is the fiend. Yes, they did kill a lot of cantus users and the villages are in shambles. But if there's even a small contingent left, the cantus users could go and wipe out the all the colonies if left unprotected.

So,... why is Yakomaru taking the fiend and running on a wild goose chase after a small band of humans, and leave his colony and new potential weapons defenseless? Can he really afford the risk that he might come back to a wiped out colony if he takes the fiend and runs off after Saki and the others?

They may have a good clue as to where Saki and them are going. But they really don't know for sure.

Just seems rather convenient to bring the principal characters together for a finale. To me it doesn't make logical sense for it to play out like that.

I don't think Kiroumaru will betray them. I really think Kiroumaru is out for revenge. Yakomaru used the fiend to wipe out his entire colony. He doesn't have anything to go back to. I wouldn't be surprised of he takes the weapon and goes on a suicide run to kill the fiend and Yakomaru. Kiroumaru seems to be set up as the honorable general to Yakomaru's scheming dictator.
 
Mar 2, 2013 10:20 AM

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Cirris said:
So,... why is Yakomaru taking the fiend and running on a wild goose chase after a small band of humans, and leave his colony and new potential weapons defenseless? Can he really afford the risk that he might come back to a wiped out colony if he takes the fiend and runs off after Saki and the others?
Yakomaru thinks that Saki etc are trying to find something to kill the fiend. So the best way is to stop them before they find the way. Since the villagers are now living in fear of the fiend (who they do not know is no longer around) and very much decimated and still trying to find their standing, he reckons they would not come out to attack the queerats.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
Mar 2, 2013 10:22 AM

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Good episode overall. While I feel Kiromaru might betray them, I hope he doesn't, coolest queerat ever.

Looking foward next episode!
 
Mar 2, 2013 10:25 AM

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Something tells me Kiroumarou is gonna betray them.

For everyone asking why DeathFeedbacks not affect maria's kid:
remember the close beggining of the anime, where some teen kills a lot of random people on the streets..

I strongly believe deathfeedback is created by the temple of purification and applied to every baby born.
Since the fiend wasnt born in Kamisu it has no death feedback thing.
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Mar 2, 2013 10:29 AM

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I was definitely NOT expecting Saki to touch on probably my biggest skepticism about the 'Fiend'. My enjoyment of this show just went up yet again -- to a level I wasn't even sure was possible.

This may be difficult to understand (I'm not quite adept at using decent vocabulary to make my explanations crystal clear yet), but I always wondered how Yakomaru was supposed to 'turn the kid into a Fiend' so definitely. I thought it was suspicious that Maria and Mamoru's son's expressions are more reminiscent of a child at play rather than K's, whose expressions seemed more sociopathic and malicious in nature.

What if the kid isn't a Fiend? But if he isn't, how the hell did Yakomaru managed to bypass Death Feedback, which is encoded in their DNA? Did he, like many other speculations, warp the child's definition of human? It makes sense to me. The rats are the ones that raised him. He's been around them his entire life, so he identifies with them? In other words, take the way humans carelessly slaughter the bakenezumi, and put it in reverse.

PK leakage is a natural phenomenon, apparently. Even normal psychics need to live within barriers so that their energy could psychologically be redirected outside. But for Maria and Mamoru's kid, who's lived outside, his leakage just goes wherever? I'm not quite sure on this. It's interesting. All I know is that Karmic Demon's leakage ends up killing the victim's family and every living thing around them, including twisting and changing even the landscape because of their subconscious. If Maria and Mamoru's kid had that kind of leakage, he probably would have killed Yakomaru and maybe his entire colony by now.

So is the kid not a Fiend? It makes sense, I think. It's such a rare occurrence, and Yakomaru plans on raising an army of human-killing children.

I also have a feeling that Kiroumaru is going to betray the group. His behavior, not to mention the way he is absolutely certain about almost everything, is enough to make me highly suspicious of him. It makes me sad; I really like him. He reminds me of a bad ass grandpa. There's hope, though. He seems to hate Yakomaru. A lot. If he betrays the group, who the hell is he going to turn to? His clan is gone because of Yakomaru. I think he just wants to finally get payback.

I wonder if Yakomaru and his gang aren't actually following Saki and co., but trying to get rid of the threat to the Akki themselves. But it's like 'meh'.

Really curious to see these other monsters too. I'm 89% sure Inui's going to die as well. That also makes me sad; he's pretty awesome, if not formerly one of the typical, arrogant humans.
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Mar 2, 2013 10:42 AM

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Finbally Kiroumaru is back.^^
I think he is a "man" with pride. And Yakomaru killing his entire army basically in an instant left a mark on Kiroumaru. Thus he wants to kill Yakomaru at any cost. So I don't think he is in it with Yakomaru.
But in case he is really plotting something on his own against humans I guess he is smart enough to let the humans fight for him. But I think he is loyal to them. I mean he doesn't blindly follow their rules like killing children as he was supposed to but on the other hand he didn't come off as suspiscious like Yakomaru from the very beginning. He's somehow displayed in a more human way than the other queerats, there's probably a reason behind it.
But after all, the information that Kiroumaru gets now when they talk to the Minoshiro is dangerous to humans. So..
 
Mar 2, 2013 10:43 AM
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Sorry not quoting all opinions of death feedback mechanics, but this will be my answer to all of them. For my opinion this point not elaborated well and leaving too much space to interpret like:
- death feedback occurs as reaction to the fact of death of the human by the hand/cantus of other human, not at the point of murderous intent (if intent would be a trigger, that would be no possibilities for the members of Boards to use cats or give orders to queerats to dispose children)
- death feedback doesn't starts immediately, it can be enough time to kill other person before murderer dies, in fact death feedback is the measure preventing second chance of killing, it's more like death penalty or imprisonment for certain violations in our world/
- death feedback seems to be reacting to cantus usage, see injection doctor given to the fiend in Tomiko's memories. This is definitely direct interaction with subject with certain intent to kill, however doctor died not of death feedback, but due to his head was literally ripped off by the fiend, maybe he would be died from feedback, but anyway there was enough time before that to give the fiend lethal dose of something.

Summarizing all above I can say, that if not for the sake of story, fiends in society shown to us (not hesitating to kill unsuitable members even just of suspicion) would be dealt effectively. For example clean and secret assassination from behind, or suicide attack or whatever (even with their restrictions it would be plenty of possibilities), but definitely not allowing them to run free wiping out entire regions.
As for the notion that they only preventing appearance of the fiend or karma demons, and cannot deal with them if they are - this is also a huge logical gap in the picture, since such logical society like shown to us has to be aware, that this is impossible to prevent some event with 100% probability. Chance that undesired event will occur always exist, so some extra measures should be made for this case also, it's like with fire prevention, it is fine to have fire extinguisher of fire brigade within reach even if all prevention methods are implemented - just in case. Same here.
 
Mar 2, 2013 10:48 AM

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sptor said:
- death feedback occurs as reaction to the fact of death of the human by the hand/cantus of other human, not at the point of murderous intent (if intent would be a trigger, that would be no possibilities for the members of Boards to use cats or give orders to queerats to dispose children)
It does not need to be actual death. Being seen harmed is already good enough to trigger it. It is also said that the intent to kill also can trigger but perhaps it has to be a direct, before the person, kind of situation. So cats and ordering queerats does not get the intent direct enough to trigger it.

sptor said:
- death feedback doesn't starts immediately, it can be enough time to kill other person before murderer dies, in fact death feedback is the measure preventing second chance of killing, it's more like death penalty or imprisonment for certain violations in our world/
The feedback starts immediately, but it is just that depending on the impact on the person he may die straight away or, like the priest, only gets hurt to various extent.

sptor said:

Summarizing all above I can say, that if not for the sake of story, fiends in society shown to us (not hesitating to kill unsuitable members even just of suspicion) would be dealt effectively. For example clean and secret assassination from behind, or suicide attack or whatever (even with their restrictions it would be plenty of possibilities), but definitely not allowing them to run free wiping out entire regions.
If you can see the person and attack him, even from behind, it should trigger the feedback. And same with suicide attack if you need to see the person to launch your attack.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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nantuko said:

But after all, the information that Kiroumaru gets now when they talk to the Minoshiro is dangerous to humans. So..

Actually, Kiroumaru gives a hint that queerrats are actually aware of humans incapability use their cantuses against each other - he said that this is common knowledge between queerrats, and I believe that are much more they know about humans. So I believe anything library terminal said, not a surprise for him, he have even gone to the remnants of Tokyo before. And yes I can agree with you that Kiroumaru, and other queerrats in their motivations and deeds acting with more logic than humans.
As for persons who will die here, I believe Saki will live, since narration going from the her point of view, not sure about Satoru, believe he'll also live. Most probable persons to die are Kiroumaru and Inue - maybe in some kind of suicide attack. For me it seems highly plausible, Inue takes care of six queerrats with his cantus (and dieing in process from the kid's cantus) while Kiroumaru killing the kid in "traditional" way, since he practically a loner and has no place in the new world after querrats elimination - his colony entirely destroyed - it may be that he also will die from wounds inflicted in this last ambush, or maybe fiend will be able to get him before death.

Also I have crazy thought that maybe queerrats are actually direct descendants of this group of scientists, who forged humans with cantuses to their current state. Don't ask me why they changed their form to be more like rats, maybe to perform observation without causing extra suspicion , or maybe they fell victims of some kind of their own experiments.
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Mar 2, 2013 10:59 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks kiomaru is going to betray them based on this episode?


The thought crossed my mind. But I really hope he doesn't. That would just be cliché and disappointing.
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symbv said:
It is also said that the intent to kill also can trigger but perhaps it has to be a direct, before the person, kind of situation. So cats and ordering queerats does not get the intent direct enough to trigger it.

It is all understandable, but it leaves question why death feedback didn't appeared fas in case of doctor from Tomiko's memories. He performed direct hostile action against fiend/human, he plotted it beforehand , he was aware that his actions will kill the human etc. But anyway death feedback not killed him instantly and not slowed him down. So basing on that I can believe that power of death feedback not absolute and it is definitely not instant. It maybe unavoidable for the normal human (not fiend), but not instant.
 
Mar 2, 2013 11:28 AM

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Aaah, so interesting! The suspense! @___@ Hopefully with the manga and anime being licensed, the novel will also be translated~

I also wonder how he became a fiend.. I hope that'll be explained.
 
Mar 2, 2013 11:31 AM

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I really hated this episode. Everything was hopeless - Yakomaru planned everything so well. I didn't know if Saki and Satoru could still solve everything.

And voilá, thanks to Deus ex Machina there is a hidden weapon that could defeat a fiend. Now Saki only has to find it with a conveniently placed Minoshiro. Thanks a lot.
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Mar 2, 2013 11:40 AM

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Aaah, so interesting! The suspense! @___@ Hopefully with the manga and anime being licensed, the novel will also be translated~

I also wonder how he became a fiend.. I hope that'll be explained.
 
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Papde said:
I really hated this episode. Everything was hopeless - Yakomaru planned everything so well. I didn't know if Saki and Satoru could still solve everything.

And voilá, thanks to Deus ex Machina there is a hidden weapon that could defeat a fiend. Now Saki only has to find it with a conveniently placed Minoshiro. Thanks a lot.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the show stated/or hinted before that non-psychics have created powerful weapons in their fight against psychics?
 
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Papde said:
I really hated this episode. Everything was hopeless - Yakomaru planned everything so well. I didn't know if Saki and Satoru could still solve everything.

And voilá, thanks to Deus ex Machina there is a hidden weapon that could defeat a fiend. Now Saki only has to find it with a conveniently placed Minoshiro. Thanks a lot.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the show state/or hint before that non-psychics have created powerful weapons in their fight against psychics?

Maybe, I cannot remember it to be honest...
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Mar 2, 2013 11:51 AM

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murica! The country coming up with the weapon to kill PK users.


 
Mar 2, 2013 11:54 AM

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Why Kiroumaru is till helping humans after all they did to him? Why Saki and co still trust him? I mean he might be Yakomaru allied in this, because the psychobuster could be used against the rest of the human with catus.
 
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I would like to believe there are still loyal Bakenezumi left. I hope so.
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Z-flame said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the show stated/or hinted before that non-psychics have created powerful weapons in their fight against psychics?

Yes. I can't recall the exact number of the episode when this happened, but they sure did explained it.
 
Mar 2, 2013 12:02 PM
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sptor said:

It is all understandable, but it leaves question why death feedback didn't appeared fas in case of doctor from Tomiko's memories. He performed direct hostile action against fiend/human, he plotted it beforehand , he was aware that his actions will kill the human etc. But anyway death feedback not killed him instantly and not slowed him down. So basing on that I can believe that power of death feedback not absolute and it is definitely not instant. It maybe unavoidable for the normal human (not fiend), but not instant.


You don't consider his mental strength and resolution; df would be delayed for a bit. He is likely to die afterward if the fiend didn't kill him.
 
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sptor said:
It is all understandable, but it leaves question why death feedback didn't appeared fas in case of doctor from Tomiko's memories. He performed direct hostile action against fiend/human, he plotted it beforehand , he was aware that his actions will kill the human etc. But anyway death feedback not killed him instantly and not slowed him down. So basing on that I can believe that power of death feedback not absolute and it is definitely not instant. It maybe unavoidable for the normal human (not fiend), but not instant.
That is because the guy he tries to kill has not yet died. If he sees him die then the trigger would come off.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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Papde said:
I really hated this episode. Everything was hopeless - Yakomaru planned everything so well. I didn't know if Saki and Satoru could still solve everything.

And voilá, thanks to Deus ex Machina there is a hidden weapon that could defeat a fiend. Now Saki only has to find it with a conveniently placed Minoshiro. Thanks a lot.


Do you even know what a Deus ex Machina is? We already know since episode 4 that the normal humans created weapons to kill Cantus users, and it was never stated that every weapon was destroyed. And the fact that they have a Minoshiro should be obvious to everyone for many episodes now (the same as it's obvious that the Queerats also have one despite it never being mentioned). So no, it's not a deus ex.
 
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I really enjoyed this episode, it's good to see Kiroumaru again and with what Saki said about the fiend i'm not really sure if they will kill her now.
 
Mar 2, 2013 12:59 PM

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Shit, that's NAAAASSSTTTTTYYYYYY. Damn Tokyo.

Love how Saki questioned the child actually being a fiend. I was wondering that myself. I'm expecting Kiroumaru to betray them but I really hope he doesn't. Also, that mini false minoshiro is adorable. I hoped that Saki's mom would tell her a bit more about Saki's older sister in the letter, but didn't happen.

Oh, and I don't think Kiroumaru is working with Yakomaru. I think IF he betrays the group, he'll do it of his own accord.
 
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Another great episode. It feels like a drug and I'm completely addicted. Can't believe there's only 3 more episodes ...


 
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Really wonder what Kiroumaru is planning... ^^'

And Shun! I hope he will be back in the next episode oO I'm hoping since he 'disappeared'...
 
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That is because the guy he tries to kill has not yet died. If he sees him die then the trigger would come off.

That's what I'm trying to say - death feedback triggers only when target died, and person who directly caused this, is aware of the fact. So in fact nothing is preventing from killing once - death feedback is the mechanism to prevent any subsequent killings by the same person, more to say it is the only way to kill a fiend - like done the doctor, or the boy, who cut the bridge dying together with the fiend. So that's why I'm finding humans' actions in this case illogical, they have the means to defend themselves but not using them - that's for the sake of dramatic story, and I can agree with that, but maybe authors should've done this in a bit more subtle way.
 
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"time just flew by."

this.

Everytime. Shinsekai Yori keeps me so interested the entire episode that I always am wondering how it could be over again.
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sptor said:

That's what I'm trying to say - death feedback triggers only when target died, and person who directly caused this, is aware of the fact. So in fact nothing is preventing from killing once - death feedback is the mechanism to prevent any subsequent killings by the same person, more to say it is the only way to kill a fiend - like done the doctor, or the boy, who cut the bridge dying together with the fiend. So that's why I'm finding humans' actions in this case illogical, they have the means to defend themselves but not using them - that's for the sake of dramatic story, and I can agree with that, but maybe authors should've done this in a bit more subtle way.

There is 1 thing I want to add. beside df, there is another mechanism that imprinted in their DNA to weaken their will of attacking their "people".
 
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interesting episode

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sptor said:
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That is because the guy he tries to kill has not yet died. If he sees him die then the trigger would come off.

That's what I'm trying to say - death feedback triggers only when target died, and person who directly caused this, is aware of the fact. So in fact nothing is preventing from killing once - death feedback is the mechanism to prevent any subsequent killings by the same person, more to say it is the only way to kill a fiend - like done the doctor, or the boy, who cut the bridge dying together with the fiend. So that's why I'm finding humans' actions in this case illogical, they have the means to defend themselves but not using them - that's for the sake of dramatic story, and I can agree with that, but maybe authors should've done this in a bit more subtle way.


Killing a fiend in a conventional way is extremely hard. They're humans, cantus users, none of them have any experience with warfare nor weapons training. All of a sudden, they're faced with a foe against which all their powers become useless. They'd have to improvise weapons and then fight against the kid in a sneak attack, trap him or something like that, despite having zero experience whatsoever. And the fiend moves with queerats too, who are actual experts at this type of warfare. You shouldn't be surprised the fiend is pretty damn close to invincible in the current situation. None of the cantus users even know how to wage traditional warfare and you expect them to pull it off to fool a fiend that has queerats by his side? Not bloody likely.
 
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sptor said:
symbv said:
That is because the guy he tries to kill has not yet died. If he sees him die then the trigger would come off.

That's what I'm trying to say - death feedback triggers only when target died, and person who directly caused this, is aware of the fact. So in fact nothing is preventing from killing once - death feedback is the mechanism to prevent any subsequent killings by the same person, more to say it is the only way to kill a fiend - like done the doctor, or the boy, who cut the bridge dying together with the fiend. So that's why I'm finding humans' actions in this case illogical, they have the means to defend themselves but not using them - that's for the sake of dramatic story, and I can agree with that, but maybe authors should've done this in a bit more subtle way.


Killing a fiend in a conventional way is extremely hard. They're humans, cantus users, none of them have any experience with warfare nor weapons training. All of a sudden, they're faced with a foe against which all their powers become useless. They'd have to improvise weapons and then fight against the kid in a sneak attack, trap him or something like that, despite having zero experience whatsoever. And the fiend moves with queerats too, who are actual experts at this type of warfare. You shouldn't be surprised the fiend is pretty damn close to invincible in the current situation. None of the cantus users even know how to wage traditional warfare and you expect them to pull it off to fool a fiend that has queerats by his side? Not bloody likely.


Well said. I plan to say this if there are still someone argue about suicide attack. Also, this is not like a game when a plan is screwed up just reload and do it again.
 
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saki is not going to transform into the most powerful psychic ever, will she? it feels like it will end like that.

(or they get killed and lose the war <- best twist ever)
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I don't know if they should trust Kiromaru. Aparently, he's a good guy, but we never know. Remember Yakomaru.

And Tokyo looks horrible in that future.
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Dalek-baka said:
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I think using an external, previously unmentioned, weapon is sort of a cop out.
Any weapon is previously unmentioned until mentioned, right?
But it was mentioned that they was a war - so creating some weapons in order to kill Cantus users in big number is rather logical thing.
The logical possibility of the weapon existing in canon is not the problem. The problem is that they had to use an external solution to solve an internal problem. We have a story with 2 sides, and the audience is given a detailed picture of what each side represents, their values and capabilities. A good story should draw within its own ecosystem to solve the problem because that is what the audience should expect from the scope of the narrative.

The Knox Decalogue is only technically applicable to detective mysteries, but there's good reason why it's so highly regarded.

Not to mention the Psychobuster seems so... one-off, like an all-or-nothing affair that makes it unreasonable to expect to use it as a real solution.
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Mar 2, 2013 4:24 PM
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shun is dead, there is no way he's coming back. definitely an illusion in the PV.

rat ending incoming.
 
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I don't know if they should trust Kiromaru. Aparently, he's a good guy, but we never know. Remember Yakomaru.

And Tokyo looks horrible in that future.

Yeah, seems sketchy through and through.
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This episode gave me a kind of adventuring vibe with those caves and all. Another week, another episode. Only 3 left D:
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Mar 2, 2013 6:29 PM

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This show is excellent... that episode felt SHORT...

I have always really liked Kiromaru, but I'm getting weird vibes.... Like some others have said, he could just be leading them to the psycho-blaster so they that eliminate all the humans at once... but how would he know about the weapon?

Either way, this show continues to be excellent... and I cannot wait to see that happens next week. Shun may not appear next week, but that preview got me excited!
 
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So rushed omg. D:

Still a good episode tho, but DAT SCENE JUMPING.
 
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It is also said that the intent to kill also can trigger but perhaps it has to be a direct, before the person, kind of situation. So cats and ordering queerats does not get the intent direct enough to trigger it.

It is all understandable, but it leaves question why death feedback didn't appeared fas in case of doctor from Tomiko's memories. He performed direct hostile action against fiend/human, he plotted it beforehand , he was aware that his actions will kill the human etc. But anyway death feedback not killed him instantly and not slowed him down. So basing on that I can believe that power of death feedback not absolute and it is definitely not instant. It maybe unavoidable for the normal human (not fiend), but not instant.


I always thought Death Feedback was limited to using just PK to kill. I assumed that humans were capable of murdering one another - just through direct, non-psychic means. However, people could still use their PK to defend themselves, so that would be difficult. That was why they needed to do it through underhanded, indirect means.

The cats, for instance, were stealthy and caught their victims by surprise (they were supposed to, anyway, which reminds me -- how the hell did Mamoru's copycat die? It was sort of absorbed in a colorful cloud. I assume this is Mamoru's PK defending him--the mistake of the cat's for not being more discreet). When they needed to get rid of the female Karmic Demon, they attempted to fool her into thinking the pills would 'cure' her. The doctor that killed the Fiend, K, injected him with poison, telling him that it was medicine. The only reason the doctor died - I assume - was because the Fiend realized what was going on and blew his head off.

It makes sense to me. The idea of the safety in the Death Feedback is sort of like an 'emergency off' switch. As soon as a person attacks and/or kills another human, assuming that there's nothing initially inhibiting them from doing so, the Feedback activates and their power then rebounds and kills them, too. That way, more people won't die.

The reason I believe no one is going on a 'suicide run' against the Fiend is because it may not work? The Fiend could use its own PK powers and shield itself, so that other guy could very well end up like Shisei, on the receiving end of PK leakage. OR, like some people say--and this makes sense,too--people cannot even develop the conscious thought to kill someone else (with their PK) once they identify them as human?

I really hope this ends up being explained thoroughly before the story ends. I'm sort of rambling. Who knows? It might have already been explained pretty accurately, and I missed something along the way.

Shin Sekai Yori makes you think. Another reason why I love this show.
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Mar 2, 2013 8:40 PM

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That episode ended way too fast it felt like it was only 5 minutes long, but it was still pretty good


I feel that way about every single episode in this anime. There's always so much information or so many things that happen.

I love Kiroumaru, though I'm still skeptical that he is of the same specie as the rest of the bakenezumi...He is so very courteous and loyal to the humans. Nice seeing another false minoshiro library thing. It's kinda cute.


For me it's his smirks, he did the same in the debate with Yakomaru and I can't stop thinking that he's hiding something.
May he be part of a bigger plan with Yakomaru to obtain the psychobusterthanks to the humans ? If Yakomaru really have a false minoshiro it's obvious they know about it and that they would try to obtain it but maybe it's impossible for a bakenezumi.

Still, it's hard for me to believe it's like this because it also required the luck that:
1- human learned about the psychobuster which happened thanks to Saki's mother
2- Kiromaru is not killed immediately.


I too got the impression that Kiroumaru has a part in this plan when I saw that smirk on his face. There's absolutely no reason the fiend AND Yakomaru would be following Saki and her group unless he was letting them lead him somewhere. My theory is he already knew about the device and he spared Kiroumaru's life in order to use him in finding it. He's letting the group find the device so he could steal it and use it on the rest of the cantus users instead of wasting years building a fiend army which would be very very risky considering they could turn on him. As much as I'd hate for this to happen, from the narration of Saki throughout the series it sounds like Yakomaru may end up winning or at least cause a dramatic reduction in cantus user population. Obviously she survives since she's narrating the story but her conditions are unknown. It'll be an interesting few episodes.
 
Mar 2, 2013 10:27 PM

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katsucats said:
The logical possibility of the weapon existing in canon is not the problem. The problem is that they had to use an external solution to solve an internal problem. We have a story with 2 sides, and the audience is given a detailed picture of what each side represents, their values and capabilities. A good story should draw within its own ecosystem to solve the problem because that is what the audience should expect from the scope of the narrative.
One can still argue that it is within the ecosystem for the weapon. How about if the librarian said that deep in the vault there is some sealed-off weapon that village founders from 300 years ago once used against an alleged fiend? It is within the ecosystem and the scope of the narrative (as the history of the last hundreds of years were told to us already).


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Not to mention the Psychobuster seems so... one-off, like an all-or-nothing affair that makes it unreasonable to expect to use it as a real solution.
Yeah, you can argue that it can be just any biological weapon or even some smart advanced technology NBC weapon. Doesn't seem to matter here as far as killing fiend is concerned. The author picked this weapon in particular perhaps he just wanted to explore how this weapon, that we can relate in our present world, may mean in a far future world in its very changed form.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
Mar 2, 2013 10:48 PM
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Using highly contagious Biological weapon that can't be contained using conventional way to kill single person? Only targeting Cantus user?
I know that godzilla threshold already passed, but That INSANE!!!!
 
Mar 2, 2013 10:52 PM
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BTW another drawback along with uncertain death feedback mechanism, is that "psychobuster", I mean what the heck, I could perfectly understand if such weapon would be electromagnetic devise of some kind (since PK does something with brain activity as commonplace in such stories), but not the bacteriological weapon based on anthrax bacillus. It would be OK only in case that PK users were way different, genetically and metabolically, from normal humans otherwise this weapon will kill everybody not only PK users. In fact it more likely that PK users may have even stronger resistance against deceases - just using their abilities to eliminate foreign agents in their bodies like Karma demons or regenerate cells like Tomiko. So at least to show bacteriological weapon as specific weapon to kill PK users not logical for my opinion, it is weapon yes, but not too specific, just a weapon of mass destruction/elimination.

HongISfirE said:
Using highly contagious Biological weapon that can't be contained using conventional way to kill single person? Only targeting Cantus user?
I know that godzilla threshold already passed, but That INSANE!!!!

Yep, same thing for me, I wish that they wouldn't use bacteriological weapon it seems completely off. In fact even use of some nuclear/thermonuclear bombs to kill a fiend more logical, at least in a sense of consequences control :)
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Lady_Kura said:
I always thought Death Feedback was limited to using just PK to kill.
This is not limited to PK or cantus. In the initiation rite, the priest cut himself to test Saki's death feedback response, so we know the mechanism is not limited to only cases of using PK/cantus. I guess the anime does not make it very clear.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
Mar 2, 2013 10:57 PM

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sptor said:
So at least to show bacteriological weapon as specific weapon to kill PK users not logical for my opinion, it is weapon yes, but not too specific, just a weapon of mass destruction/elimination.
Well, it is in fact meant to be a weapon of mass destruction, something that the owner would deploy it only in a desperate situation, just like nuclear weapon. The idea is to stress the desperate situation those non-EPSers are facing, which finds its parallel in the ESPers now facing a fiend. The reason why nuclear weapon is not used here is because nuclear weapon, based on physics, is easier to be countered by ESPers than agents working inside their bodies to destroy them.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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