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Sep 21, 2013 10:42 AM

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oh we are in "new" tokyo now :3
Oct 8, 2013 9:58 PM

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Wolf-rat is a real bro. Cringed during the bug scene, eugh.
Oct 26, 2013 7:06 PM

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Saki's mother knowing about the weapon seems very convenient, almost too convenient.
Jan 21, 2014 6:23 AM

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The thing that intrigues me is if you really Kiromaru is fair, too many things leave me thinking.
Plot which exhibits good blind rage of men against the monster rats.
Narrative that translates everything in a manner all too well, giving the illogical revenge without first ascertain the true situation on the meta demons.
In addition, the feeling of anxiety and so paòpabile to make you feel uncomfortable, very good! : D
Drawings and animations instead excelled not, too bad! ^ ^ "

If it were true that Kiro no plot behind the human, however, it bothers me that his spasmodic way to laugh! D:
Apr 29, 2014 4:27 PM

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Tokyo sure changed, eh? xD

Woha, didn't expected Kiroumaru making such a badass appareance. I assumed he was dead.
I kinda grew a mefiance toward every queerat and he have some of those sneaky smile. I really hope it's just an habit of him and that he isn't trying to foul them :/

Anyway, they are lucky to have him in their group. He know the topography really well and how to deal with the hostile wildlife.

So now, they have to find a gaz weapon. Didn't expected that turn of event. Unearthing that old weapon could have dramatic conscequence for the psychotelekinesist, but they are already at the edge of extinction, so better waging everything they have on that one last chance.
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Jun 10, 2014 6:10 AM

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Saki is so adorable when she was grossed out by the worms
Jun 16, 2014 9:04 PM

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Damn, where in Earth is there not a queerat? How did they even come across one out far into the inhabitable Tokyo?

OriginANIME said:
"Now I know why this was called hell."
"No, we are still in heaven."


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Jul 7, 2014 4:48 PM

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I completely understood Saki's plight. Humanity be damned, I ain't walking in that stuff!
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Aug 2, 2014 5:16 AM

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"I am not trusting Kiroumaro either, I hope I am wrong, because I like him quite a bit."
i've the same feeling, maybe he's loyal but being used by squealer

"Saki's mother knowing about the weapon seems very convenient, almost too convenient."
more like, if squealer has a mobile library, he should know about it too..

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Sep 2, 2014 11:50 PM

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I am confused...Is there a difference between karma demons and fiends? I thought they were the same thing unless it isn't n could the difference be that Karma demons uncontrollably leak canti and unintentionally harm others while fiends willingly revel in killing and hurting others? Anyway why didn't they kill that bird that was trakcing Saki in the desert so it couldn't get back to it's owner?
Sep 3, 2014 12:02 AM

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Saki getting grossed out and not wanting to walk through all that nastiness on the floor was funny.But if she didn't why didn't she just levitate her self over it or use her canti to clear the area.That would have been so easy.
Sep 4, 2014 11:51 PM
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I love Kiroumaru. If he ends up becoming an antagonist I'd probably love his character even more.

If he ends up betraying Saki and Satoru, I'd be angered but it'd make the anime all the more interesting. I was thrilled and pissed off when Yakomaru became the mastermind behind it all.

Am I the only one who things the minishrio/library is the cutest thing ever?

It's waterproof too. I want one.
Sep 11, 2014 11:36 AM

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"This truly is hell." - Saki.
"No... this is just the beginning." - Kiroumaru.

It is amazing that Kiroumaru actually survived all that when he was in Tokyo, not even having Cantus powers.
Modified by HandsomeMan, Sep 11, 2014 11:58 AM
Oct 16, 2014 12:50 PM

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Now if all episodes were more like that, this could have been a great show. The inconsistency is frustrating and disappointing.
Oct 28, 2014 12:31 AM

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RedRoseFring said:
I completely understood Saki's plight. Humanity be damned, I ain't walking in that stuff!

Yeah bro I feel you my good skin don't come easy, good luck Earth!
Dec 28, 2014 6:52 PM

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Turned out this is getting better. I don't like Kiroumaru's smirks, I'm expecting a twist.
Jan 17, 2015 7:14 PM

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There's a definite chance that Kiroumaru is gonna betray the humans. I wouldn't be surprised at this point by anything... It could go any way.
God, I can't believe it's about to end, this was amazing.
Kiroumaru seems like too good of a guy. He's nobel and loyal, what more could you ask for?
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Jan 24, 2015 8:37 PM

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Psychobuster is probably one of the lamest name they could have come up with.
Jan 25, 2015 5:39 AM
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AnimeSweden said:
Psychobuster is probably one of the lamest name they could have come up with.

Well, it's from US after all.
Mar 8, 2015 8:20 AM
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Dorothy, we're not in Kansas anymore.

I love the ride that this show has taken me on. And while I love Kiroumaru's character, I get the feeling, he might have a different agenda from them.
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Mar 14, 2015 2:10 PM

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Every time I head that word, I just laugh because of that second Ace Ventura movie. xD

Im glad to see Kiroumaru is back.

And that cave....with all those creatures. I would have asked one of those guys if I could piggyback off one of them while walking through that cave. Oh man.

So they are now searching for a weapon to get rid of the rats and fiends without the consequences of the revenge death thing.

Ever since that second timeskip, every episodes goes by so quick. Im loving it. And Saki is very very adorable now. She was just boring and bland before the second timeskip.

Another thing. Im kinda disappointed that he havent seen Shun since episode 9-10. The anime took him out too early.
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Apr 27, 2015 8:15 PM

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I can't help but feel this "psycho buster" is a bit of an asspull. I mean, it makes perfect sense within the story, its existence has been justified, and I'm glad it's simply anthrax instead of a real, traditional weapon, but still... its existence is taking the plot in a direction I'd hoped it wouldn't have. Especially with both the ogre and Squealer in hot pursuit, I foresee this ending with a "we find the psycho buster, we kill the ogre and Squealer; the threat is completely nullified and we win" type of conclusion. That's just generic and dull. I won't rate the series lower because of it, but I was hoping I'd rate the series higher due to a deep, powerful, or awe-inspiring twist ending. Well, hopefully I'll still be surprised.

That said, I loved this episode. This was so creepy and, based on Kiroumaru's commentary, it looks to get even creepier. The atmosphere was amazing, there was a looming feeling of suspense, fear, and paranoia, and overall the direction was just fantastic.

And Kiroumaru is cool af. I'm fairly sure he won't get out of this alive, but I hope he has a glorious, badass death befitting his character.
Apr 28, 2015 9:14 AM

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What a great episode! Yaay, my old wolf is baaaaack :D
I believe him and I can't wait to see worse stuff ^____^
Jul 15, 2015 6:28 AM
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saki's mothers letter really was touching. the pain saki is feeling must be so difficult for her i feel it inside my heart as well seeing everyone you ever knew just die or missing is unbearable. the words saki's mother said is very powerful and sad at the same time. i feel the same about saki she is a character with a lot of "strength" that's for sure :3

oh.. and i heard my beloved SHUN'S voice its always a pleasure to know he is there for saki a kind of happiness and sadness ache through my heart in an instant as soon as i heard SHUN'S voice :3
Modified by lakshika, Jul 15, 2015 6:33 AM
Oct 9, 2015 10:40 AM

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Sad letter from Saki's mother.
Kiroumaru surely has a side quest to accomplish, with his smirks.

Really good episode, looking forward to how this is going to end.
Jan 6, 2016 1:04 AM

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Edit: nevermind, I forgot there were fiends and karma fiends.

And Kiromaru is going to most likely "betray" them.
Modified by Wintovisky, Jan 6, 2016 1:08 AM
Feb 26, 2016 6:49 PM

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All desert,Woah!
Seems like those under-cave two episodes will be full of nice scenes.
Even though he is helping them, Kiroumaru is still suspicious.

Great Episode.
Mar 8, 2016 9:18 PM

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Looks like this cave expedition and final showdown will be intense. Only three episodes left, ahhhh. I like all 4 of the characters in this group and hope they all make it, but kind of doubt they will :(
Apr 9, 2016 8:40 AM
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Wow, Psychobuster.

Klassical said:
All desert,Woah!
Seems like those under-cave two episodes will be full of nice scenes.
Even though he is helping them, Kiroumaru is still suspicious.

Great Episode.

Yeah, I really hope he is cool.
Apr 29, 2016 5:32 AM

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symbv said:
pappagallo said:
and the other 2 things (the cats and the weapon)?
From what I understand it is when you are directly aware that a human is being harmed as a result of your action. So the cat and the weapon is an indirect way to kill other human "out of sight". Remember just an image of a suffering human (projected by the library animal) can result in the feedback being kicked in even though the priest meant to attack the animal.

See, this was proven false a few episodes back. When Saki got attacked by that kid who thought she was a Queerat, she said to him that if she had died, he would also have died because of death feedback. But seeing as he did not think she was a human - which is precisely why he attacked her, and is also apparently why he didn't even receive Attack Inhibition - there's currently no explanation as to why death feedback would have kicked in.

So from what we've seen, whether you believe someone to be a human or not is irrelevant, because if you kill a human you receive death feedback 100%.
You can, though, receive the feedback if you mentally believe they are human. It's inconsistent.
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Jul 31, 2016 12:07 AM

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And they died of Anthrax in the New Tokyo tunnels of Heaven and Hell.

Why didn't Saki use her canti for the bug floor? I would've done that immediately.

Submarine parts are subarashi. Very tense.

Aug 3, 2016 6:31 AM

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Ah the little solar powered mobile archive was adorable. XD The PK powered submarine was cool too.

First time I heard of other real life 21st century country being mentioned after a thousand years. Heck at least the Americans have contributed something, the psychobuster! I'm torn between thinking Ghostbusters and Gunbusters/Diebusters. ^_^

How the hell did the Fiend able to give chase anyway, she can't be everywhere! The help of other queerat's sense of smell, like Kiroumarou's? Speaking of Kiroumarou, I know he's loyal and subservient but I don't trust him that much...yet.
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Aug 22, 2016 6:28 AM

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Woahhhh, thats Tokyo huh? Awesome!!

Saki: This is Hell.
Kiroumaru: No, this is still Heaven.
LOL, Kiroumaru made my day!!! You are awesome!!

Slug!! Awesome adventure there!!

Show me more Hell!!

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Sep 13, 2016 10:59 PM

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Kiroumaru is such a bro. So much likable characters but Yakomaru is ain't one.

Oct 21, 2016 12:26 PM

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Guano and flesh eating mega-slugs.....ick

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Nov 8, 2016 1:03 AM

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Damn it I really hope Kiroumaru is a good guy but with those damn smirks I don't think so.
Jun 18, 2017 4:10 PM

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"you were right, this place really is hell"
"believe me, this is just the beginning"
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Jun 26, 2017 9:15 PM

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Tokyo Ho! Ep 22.

Plot: Saki's mother leaves a goodbye note and a minishiro. The minishiro will lead Saki and co to Tokyo where a Psycho Buster exists that may turn the tides and defeat the Ogre. Kiroumaro joins the group as a guide.

They get to Tokyo and go underground but are being followed by Squera himself and the Ogre. It is now a race to the Psycho Buster.

Character: Saki's time has come. A quest and last gift from her mom that can save everyone, maybe. Though there are some thoughts swirling in her head. Kiroumaro's a pretty cool guy all things considered.

Animation/sound: The music during the letter was heartfelt and so sad. Saki's mom and Dad are gone now.

Tokyo is a hellhole. I mean seriously, Vampire slugs?!

4/5. America! Savin the Day with...anthrax....wait what?

I go where I wanna go, even if its into Oppai.
Jul 1, 2017 4:14 PM

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Wow, Tokyo looks entirely different than expected.

Psycho Buster is some kind of biological weapon or virus and while Saki + the others are looking for it they are followed by Squealer and the demon, only three episodes left, I'm really looking forward to the final.
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Oct 20, 2017 8:10 AM
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The submarine. Oh A-1, you're unforgivable.
Oct 20, 2017 8:24 AM
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All the facial expressions and the voice by which they talk really don't seem like the world's ending for humans and just a couple of teenagers part excited, part scared in an adventure down a tunnel.
Oct 27, 2017 11:54 AM

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Looks like we are entering the final arc now. So they have a secret weapon left over from the ancient times to use against Cantus users and they're gonna use that to kill the fiend ... and it's all the way in Tokyo. Dang lol. Those tunnels are pretty creepy D: Somehow Saki's mom has a portable library as well lol ... it's kinda cute XD Kiroumaru is helpful so far but they keep showing him smirking, is he gonna betray them at the end? :O Though I don't think he'd join forces with Squealer ... well either way, I hope they are able to get the Psychobuster (lol that name) and kill the fiend :D Tbh I don't like the idea of them trying to spare her just because she's Maria's child or something, but I guess we'll have to see what happens :P
Feb 13, 2018 12:01 PM

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Kiroumaru is cool. Post-apocalyptic Tokyo is a desert. 4/5
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May 10, 2018 5:16 PM

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It's almost like the story of Final Fantasy 6. Squealer is Kefka and Kiroumaru is Cyan.

Dec 21, 2018 1:46 PM

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OMG. I didn't realize Satoru was Eren's VA until he said "Let's break through!" and it sounded exactly like what Eren would say in SnK xD Took me 22 eps to recognize his voice, wow hahaha :D I needed to hear a little more volume and grunt to it X)

I'm elated my bby Kiroumaru is back <33333333

The little Piglet Minoshiro is adorable af. I wonder if they have any merch on it LMAO. I want a keychain figure or stuffed plush of it xD

Satoru or Kirou should've offered to carry Saki on their back to avoid the bugs, but I guess they need to conserve their energy for battle and she needs to suck it up too lol. But I'd be grossed out as well ^^" Yuck.
Jun 10, 12:24 AM
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This series is really starting to annoy me as of late, explain to me how exactly the ogre is able to repeatedly find the main characters are and stalk them everywhere they go? Ridiculous, in real life it would be virtually impossible to track a couple of people over such a large area, they should've thought of more realistic & less repetitive way to create tension.
Jul 3, 5:59 AM

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Kiroumaru is a cool dude, I mean rat. It's really unfortunate that there are orders to eliminate all Queerats as there were many subcolonies under Giant Hornets and they have always been loyal.

It is really easy to see Yakomaru's motivations, being regarded as animals must suck. But the claims of tyranny? They weren't exploited for labour and their colonies were mostly autonomous. Yes villagers scorned and scoffed at them but that alone doesn't warrant a genocide on humans.
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