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Mar 1, 2013 7:59 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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A nice transitional episode which explained a few details and set up the epicness that is
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Mar 1, 2013 8:04 AM

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I haven't seen it yet, but can you put the last part of your post as a spoiler. Assuming it didn't occur this week episode or a preview of next week Episode 22. Although I doubt everyone will get the Ben Hur reference. And for those who doesn't really want to get spoiler, don't google Ben Hur.

We only have 5 episodes left, and david Production has done great so far.
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Mar 1, 2013 8:07 AM

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It did occur in the last part of the episode, but I spoilered it regardless.
The preview itself was great, btw.
 
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Mar 1, 2013 8:18 AM

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This is really fast. The episode was great. A great fight for the next week
 
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Mar 2, 2013 1:32 AM

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We have got that Hokuto no Ken moment when you have the bad guy keeps talking but the hero said "you are a goner" lol

And we've got to know a bit more about LisaLisa's past - it should not be hard to guess how she may be related to JoJo I guess.

Since the last time Wham went to sleep in the pillar he was in the Roman times so I guess it makes sense for him to come up with the chariot race. Now I wonder if JoJo would ue some knowledge he gained from Ben Hur to win the death match lol

And the title of 100 vs 2 turns out to be misleading lol
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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Mar 2, 2013 4:00 AM

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lol. LisaLisa should've said "omae wa mou shindeiru."
 
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Mar 2, 2013 5:50 AM

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Man Wired Beck's introduction was hillarious. Coming in full stalker mode akin to something Kondo from Gintama would do X D

Cougar Lisa Lisa and her shades were pretty boss this week
 
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Mar 2, 2013 8:38 AM
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There was a strange song in the ad about figures.Maybe it will be a new opening?I hope not.
 
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Mar 2, 2013 9:06 AM

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Awesome prep episode!

Let's see how epic this Chariot battle all manga readers all talking will be :D

Never expected Lisa Lisa to be that baby that was saved back then. But doesn't that mean she's Joseph's mom? Since according to what I remember...Erina and Jonathan's child married the baby girl they saved??? That would be awesome hehe. Wonder how Joseph would react XD If I'm right that is :P

Loved the end when Jojo put on Caesar's Headband :)
 
Mar 2, 2013 9:12 AM
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The door talks!



^Like a boss. Good episode with a new character introduced I suppose. Lol @ him getting owned in like 1 minute. Nice to see some of Lisa Lisa's history. Ah, she's such a boss.

I can't wait for the duel next week.
 
Mar 2, 2013 9:59 AM

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Barion-Zara said:
Never expected Lisa Lisa to be that baby that was saved back then. But doesn't that mean she's Joseph's mom? Since according to what I remember...Erina and Jonathan's child married the baby girl they saved??? That would be awesome hehe. Wonder how Joseph would react XD If I'm right that is :P



Since everyone mention the awesomeness of Lisa-Lisa.

This episode shows Messina getting carry by Jojo. I was afraid david Production forgets him. Wire Becked looks like Pinhead from HellRaiser.

I can assume Straights wants to be immortal, because of the Pillar men, eventual return, and knows his old age will not help. And was looking for a way to be able to fight the Pillarmen. But along the way, he went crazy, and that leads to the beginning of Part 2. It's a bit stretch, but that makes made me sad though. It would of been nice, Straights fight along side with Joseph.

And I actually like those Roman Soldier Vampire, even though they are vampire, they barely mention anything about sucking blood.

And finally WHAM! I love when he snicker at Cars! BWAHAHAHA!

This was a good build up. Especially, since last week episode.

Edit: Now, I remember. This scene was missing. LOL.

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Mar 2, 2013 10:53 AM

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Damn Hamon energy is way better than BOTOX :P
Lisa Lisa is better at bluffing than Joseph, this skill most run in the family.
 
Mar 2, 2013 12:55 PM

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Great episode, but I'm waiting next week for the fight, it will be epic.
 
Mar 2, 2013 3:01 PM
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Lots of theories, just sit back and watch a chariot race that will blow away anything you have seen before. Wham is by far a better villain than Cars.

Epic reveals will be later however, the past will be fully fleshed out is all I am going to say.
 
Mar 2, 2013 5:31 PM

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The most hotly anticipated fight in Battle Tendency (possibly tied with the final fight) is coming next week. Words cannot describe the pure excitement that's pumping through my veins.

Also it's kinda surprising that nobody has made the Lisa Lisa/Rose from Street Fighter connection yet, it's nearly as obvious as Stroheim/Guile connection :o.
 
Mar 2, 2013 6:55 PM
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Next weeks fight is truly one of the greatest in shounen history. i can't wait.
 
Mar 2, 2013 9:16 PM

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The_Redux said:
Also it's kinda surprising that nobody has made the Lisa Lisa/Rose from Street Fighter connection yet, it's nearly as obvious as Stroheim/Guile connection :o.


I am pretty sure some people are aware of it. It just need some "Tarot Cards". Now if only Jolyne Kujo was to be animated.



God damn. david Production really nails it. This preview really does helps you getting hype and thrill for next week episode. I can't stop watching it.
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Mar 2, 2013 11:36 PM

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5/5, as always
 
Mar 2, 2013 11:49 PM

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If you are a vampire and you aren't lucky enough to have the name Dio, then you are pretty much just cannon fodder for Jojo and company. Wired Beck learned that the hard way.

Anyway, this was a nice build up episode. I am looking forward to the chariot battle starting in earnest next time - it's my favorite part from the manga.
 
Mar 2, 2013 11:55 PM
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Wham is such a bro villain.
Lisa Lisa looked stupid with those sunglasses, deal with it.

JoJo put on Caesar's headband, that was awesome.
 
Mar 3, 2013 2:02 AM

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Great build up episode for whats coming on the next.
 
Mar 3, 2013 3:06 AM

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I was really looking forward to the action, but this buildup episode certainly did not disappoint!
The backstories were epic like they usually are on here, I just love JoJo's story.
I also realized just how much I love this art, I'm starting to become a fanboy... x)
I can't wait for the next episode, this is really thrilling.
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Mar 3, 2013 7:05 AM
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If you are a vampire and you aren't lucky enough to have the name Dio, then you are pretty much just cannon fodder for Jojo and company. Wired Beck learned that the hard way.

Anyway, this was a nice build up episode. I am looking forward to the chariot battle starting in earnest next time - it's my favorite part from the manga.


Dio has his own special power that nullified the ripple. Wired Beck was just an idiot.

 
Mar 3, 2013 7:42 AM

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Dio has his own special power that nullified the ripple. Wired Beck was just an idiot.



Well, that's pretty much my point - if you are Dio then you are awesome and have some powerful abilities. But if you are a vampire who isn't Dio then you pretty much get killed off right away. Will Zeppeli's father, that random guy Dio tested the mask on, the vampire Santana absorbed, Wired Beck, and
all go down with very little trouble. Even Straights barely lasted for more than an episode. So much for their supposed immortality.
 
Mar 3, 2013 8:36 AM

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Straits was pretty tough though, as powerful as Dio. It's just that Joseph was that awesome.
 
Mar 3, 2013 9:19 AM

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Well, that's pretty much my point - if you are Dio then you are awesome and have some powerful abilities. But if you are a vampire who isn't Dio then you pretty much get killed off right away. Will Zeppeli's father, that random guy Dio tested the mask on, the vampire Santana absorbed, Wired Beck, and
all go down with very little trouble. Even Straights barely lasted for more than an episode. So much for their supposed immortality.


Agreed. Although the list lacks 4 Zombie vampires, Peggy's rapist, that dude Poco knows, that dog with a human face, Wang Chun, Jack, Bruford, and Tarukus.

Except the last 4 play some role/plot device.
 
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Agreed. Although the list lacks 4 Zombie vampires, Peggy's rapist, that dude Poco knows, that dog with a human face, Wang Chun, Jack, Bruford, and Tarukus.

Except the last 4 play some role/plot device.


You know, I didn't include the zombie vampires because I considered them to be on a lower level than the stone mask vampires. But, now that I look at your list, those last four actually survived longer and proved tougher than many of the full fledged vampires. Though that's probably just due to the strength/awesomeness gap between Jonathan and Joseph.
 
Mar 3, 2013 10:33 AM

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Another epic episode, loving how Lisa Lisa just pretty much was a boss throughout the episode. Epic dame! I hope she goes out winning against the duel with Cars. Though she is 50 years old and potentially JoJo's mother(?), I can't wait to see his face when he actually finds out about that.

Also when Wham wanted to fight JoJo fairly in a duel like a bro and with a chariot, while voiced as Akio Ootsuka, I couldn't stop myself from thinking about Rider from FateZero. What a bro he was. Looking forward to this chariot fight in a Colosseum and the build up to that fight was amazingly done, couldn't have asked for a better episode for that.



WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM - STARTO! Best preview!
 
Mar 3, 2013 10:41 AM

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5 episodes left... Noooooo

I Need to see this fight O.O

 
Mar 3, 2013 1:00 PM

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Ohhh, yes! The chariot battle sounds like it will be an amazing event. Pleasently surprised about Lisa Lisa's past too. The episode preview was too good!
 
Mar 3, 2013 9:19 PM
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JohnGalt89 said:
Burningsirius said:
Dio has his own special power that nullified the ripple. Wired Beck was just an idiot.



Well, that's pretty much my point - if you are Dio then you are awesome and have some powerful abilities. But if you are a vampire who isn't Dio then you pretty much get killed off right away. Will Zeppeli's father, that random guy Dio tested the mask on, the vampire Santana absorbed, Wired Beck, and
all go down with very little trouble. Even Straights barely lasted for more than an episode. So much for their supposed immortality.


I won't go to much into this, but suffice it to say Dio has an epic destiny. If you have not already realized this, JoJo is about destiny. Each Joestar has a destiny and it all somehow involves Dio to some degree. Dio's powers to counteract the ripple (though you can say plot armor) can be viewed in light of the fact that Dio is destined to survive, no matter what. Jonathan was destined to die. Someone is destined to defeat Dio!
 
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Could it also be said that, in a way, it's a battle of humanities survival trough legacy (Joestars) VS the eternity of the universe (Dio) ?
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I've just realized that Wired Beck and F/Z Caster shared the same VA. In other words, Caster beats Caster.

Boltz said:
Could it also be said that, in a way, it's a battle of humanities survival through legacy
That actually is pretty much what Araki was going for.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnzt4x_araki-hirohiko-interview-english-sub_creation
 
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Boltz said:
Could it also be said that, in a way, it's a battle of humanities survival trough legacy (Joestars) VS the eternity of the universe (Dio) ?


Legacy, destiny, it all works together. Then again, I have read part 6 and that was all about changing the destiny (and relationship) of the Joestars.
 
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I don't feel like the whole 'DESTINY' angle felt so hammered in until around the time of Stone Ocean, though. Then it seemed like everything started to become about 'DESTINY' and 'GRAVITY' and 'NAPKINS' and whatever. =P
 
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The napkin part was hilarious, though.,
 
Mar 5, 2013 5:09 AM

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GG is the only doing the fansub right now? can't find any episodes beyond 18 with Commie fansub (I liked them)
 
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GG is the only doing the fansub right now? can't find any episodes beyond 18 with Commie fansub (I liked them)


Look at the subgroup section for this MAL entry. There are a few other (better) groups doing it.
 
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WhiteTestament said:
GG is the only doing the fansub right now? can't find any episodes beyond 18 with Commie fansub (I liked them)


MMM is a good team for Jojo,
 
Mar 5, 2013 10:27 AM

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Eh, That vampire part was unnecessary, sounds like it's an excuse to have a crowd to comment on stuff like YYH or OP
The roman arena games are interesting especially if you're watching Spartacus too

I knew Lisa was an old woman, man I'm good at predicting, she's so ugly anyway :)

3/5 for this one

 
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Mikasa said:
she's so ugly anyway :)


0.0 !
 
Mar 5, 2013 11:24 PM

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Mikasa said:
I knew Lisa was an old woman, man I'm good at predicting, she's so ugly anyway :)

0/10
 
Mar 5, 2013 11:32 PM

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Dangerr said:
Mikasa said:
I knew Lisa was an old woman, man I'm good at predicting, she's so ugly anyway :)

0/10


I know right? Would not bang.

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Mikasa said:
she's so ugly anyway :)


0.0 !


:O

 
Mar 14, 2013 1:31 PM

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The last parts of the episode had a very "epic" feel to them. Really looking forward to the next episode.
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Apr 8, 2013 11:09 PM

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I miss Speedwagon...
 
Jun 15, 2013 6:41 AM

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Quite nice episode I've got to say, I like how even Lisa Lisa is connected to everything! Lets see how the battle will turn out!
 
Jan 23, 2014 10:02 PM

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Wham! Wham! Wham! Wham! Wham! Let's move on to episode 22.
 
Mar 7, 2014 9:58 AM

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WHAMMU! WHAMMU! WHAMMU!
Next episode should be EPIC!
 
Mar 7, 2014 10:19 AM

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I loved the setting. Colosseum for the win!

Very memorable, especially for such a good arc.
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Mar 8, 2014 3:58 PM

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That headband... the opening is starting to make more and more sense for the non manga readers.
 
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