| I've watched older anime like Gundam, Lupin the Third, Fist of the North Star etc. I happened to finish fate zero about a week ago. I found out it was the prequel to Fate Stay Night. So...I watched Fate/Zero then Fate Stay Night in order so everything would be brand new to me. When I got to FSN, I felt disgusted for a second. I just watched a grand form or art and colors and then "that" lol I thought it was OK but it took me awhile to get use to it again. Do you think we are getting spoiled with new animation? |
| No not at all. There's always going to be better forms of animation as time passes by. If you enjoy anime for the art then you would probably watch the more latest anime but if you enjoy it for plot (or anything else) then you probably don't care much about the art. |
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| I used to avoid old series because of the art, but now the art style doesn't bother me at all. Just imagine anime like Monster with the animation that eg. SAO had o_o No thank you. |
PSInova said: When I got to FSN, I felt disgusted for a second. I just watched a grand form or art and colors and then "that" lol There's your problem. |
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PSInova said: Well there's yer problem!When I got to FSN, I felt disgusted for a second. I just watched a grand form or art and colors and then "that" lol And yes, I think it is. It's raising my standards of what makes a good anime. The animation quality was phenomenal in Fate/Zero. Definitely needs more material like that. Plot, animation, great character interactions (if not a lack of development), everything. And for those arguing against animation not being important to an anime: If I only watched anime for the plot, I'd read a fucking book. |
| I think it's less a matter of age and more a matter of some series just having better animation than others. I mean, Ghost in the Shell is almost 20 years old and it still outstrips almost everything ever in the animation department. |
MellowJello said: PSInova said: Well there's yer problem!When I got to FSN, I felt disgusted for a second. I just watched a grand form or art and colors and then "that" lol And yes, I think it is. It's raising my standards of what makes a good anime. The animation quality was phenomenal in Fate/Zero. Definitely needs more material like that. Plot, animation, great character interactions (if not a lack of development), everything. And for those arguing against animation not being important to an anime: If I only watched anime for the plot, I'd read a fucking book. I didn't mean it in a bad way! I was just pushed backed for a second. All the recent anime looks really good to me know so I have to keep adjusting my way of seeing things like first season of pokemon for example. |
PSInova said: Ha ha, we're having a bit of a miscommunication.MellowJello said: PSInova said: Well there's yer problem!When I got to FSN, I felt disgusted for a second. I just watched a grand form or art and colors and then "that" lol And yes, I think it is. It's raising my standards of what makes a good anime. The animation quality was phenomenal in Fate/Zero. Definitely needs more material like that. Plot, animation, great character interactions (if not a lack of development), everything. And for those arguing against animation not being important to an anime: If I only watched anime for the plot, I'd read a fucking book. I didn't mean it in a bad way! I was just pushed backed for a second. All the recent anime looks really good to me know so I have to keep adjusting my way of seeing things like first season of pokemon for example. The "problem" here (in my opinion, of course *AHEM*) is that you should've seen FS/N first. Fate/Zero comes second. I'd start a long-winded conversation but it's too late >__>; |
| For me, no. I don't give a shit about animation unless it was utterly disturbing. |
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| The fact is that F/SN was made by Studio Deen, that's why it's crap. I couldn't give a 10 to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai mainly because they screwed up the animation. |
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| I kind of understand what you're getting at. I've found myself refusing to watch older shows unless I can find remastered editions that are in high definition, but I don't think I've ever felt disgusted by the quality or even scoffing at it. It's just something you're going to have to accept. New shows will generally have better animation quality than older shows; that's a given. Do I think we're getting spoiled? No, not really. I think we wouldn't be getting what we deserve if shows that aren't SoL/romance/comedy/etc weren't trying to achieve new heights with their animation quality. Generally, these shows, whether they're action, psychological thrillers or or mystery series, will try to build an atmosphere to set the mood and it's necessary for them to focus on animation to do so. |
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| The question should be are we getting spoiled with new things as most watch anime on the computer ect. I still watch old animation(80s/2000s) |
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| I think older animation has a certain charm to it that all this new computer animation simply can't replicate. Having said that Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa really does look amazing in BluRay the animation blew me away and I think it's good that animation is improving but at the same time its a shame that some shows feel they can rely on it alone - it's the same in the gaming industry i.e. ff13 people think they can get away with good graphics alone. Chrono Trigger on a silly old 8mb snes cart is a much better game. Things like Evangelion and Blue Gender just have this unspeakable charm to them - compare that to some of the newer and highly crap mecha like Gundam 00 and you'll see where I'm coming from. |
| What? So animation can't be good nor look gorgeous because it fools you? Wait what wait what? Inb4 this turns into an "old vs new" rant. I don't understand this thread either. |
| Chalk up another person who doesn't really get what the OP is trying to say. But, if you ask me if watching something with great animation like F/Z can somehow hamper my enjoyment of something from an earlier time: no. I think the F/SN anime had much more pressing problems than animation. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| No. Some old anime series age very well. |
MellowJello said: PSInova said: Well there's yer problem!When I got to FSN, I felt disgusted for a second. I just watched a grand form or art and colors and then "that" lol And yes, I think it is. It's raising my standards of what makes a good anime. The animation quality was phenomenal in Fate/Zero. Definitely needs more material like that. Plot, animation, great character interactions (if not a lack of development), everything. And for those arguing against animation not being important to an anime: If I only watched anime for the plot, I'd read a fucking book. Basically this, took my post right out of my mouth. (or hands? ....I don't even know any more....) |
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Litrydow said: Indeed, I think the main contrast here is Studio Deen vs. Production I.G., not necessarily "old vs. new." After all, there are a fair number of series from ~2006 whose animation is still fairly well respected, afaik. Such as Code Geass, Death Note, Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Shana, and Kanon.The fact is that F/SN was made by Studio Deen, that's why it's crap. I couldn't give a 10 to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai mainly because they screwed up the animation. Though I do like Deen's work on low-key, low-action series like Strawberry Panic, Fruits Basket, and Touka Gettan... |
on | Good animation comes from hiring the best talent, proper scheduling and a sufficient budget. Movies and OVAs can still look amazing while TV series have always had problems because of the amount of footage the staff have to produce. They can't get the same people to work on each episode and the budget has to be spread thin especially if it's a long running show. Look at Akira, it isn't perfect but it still looks better than most anime (new or old) because it had the highest budget for an anime movie at the time plus an army of veteran and young animators eager to prove themselves. The only real advantage modern anime has is the widescreen format. |
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| Don't confuse animation with art style....... |
PSInova said: When I got to FSN, I felt disgusted for a second. I just watched a grand form or art and colors and then "that" lol? What You're Saying: Fate/zero was prettier than Fate/stay night. What We Think You're Saying: Fate/zero was Fate/zero and Fate/stay night was...uh...Fate/stay night. I actually know exactly what the OP is saying. Pretty much all pre-2000 anime I can't watch because the style/animation take me out of the experience. Even some post-2000 anime like RahXephon are almost physically painful to look at. I wish this wasn't the case, but for some reason it is. =( |
| Higurashi's animation is fine. |
| I wouldn't say that we're spoiled by them. I grew up on the 80's and 90's art so I still really enjoy that. I actually prefer alot of older shows to the new, cleaner animation style. I would say, for action anime atleast, the new animation has gotten rid of the "let's use the same couple of frames over and over again during the fighting" which was always a big complaint from me. I would say that the downside is studio's are putting so much time and energy into animation that one could say that other area's are being neglected. Budgeting these big animation projects become issues, specifically when it comes to finishing a show Just my opinion.. |
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Solvite said: Higurashi's animation is fine. No. |
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Litrydow said: Solvite said: Higurashi's animation is fine. No. Its bad by modern standards, but it didn't hurt my ability to watch it. The repetition did though. |
Solvite said: Litrydow said: Solvite said: Higurashi's animation is fine. No. Its bad by modern standards, but it didn't hurt my ability to watch it. The repetition did though. It is bad, after all, it was DEEN. The manga is way better in art, and I do say this even if there are different artist for each volume. |
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| Wouldn't call it being spoiled, rather I see it as 'setting the bar higher'. Although most titles I ever consider to bump that bar up are usually movies. |
012yArthur0 said: Solvite said: Litrydow said: Solvite said: Higurashi's animation is fine. No. Its bad by modern standards, but it didn't hurt my ability to watch it. The repetition did though. It is bad, after all, it was DEEN. The manga is way better in art, and I do say this even if there are different artist for each volume. The animation was sub-par it was not BAD. BAD is too harsh of a word. The visuals and the way the camera was used makes up for it though, so it is not a negative point to the anime. |
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| I had just assumed Higurashi was really old. You can't always watch anime that looks super good. I will say I wish the animation in LOGH looked better, because I want to watch it but I'm nervous about it. |
Solvite said: I had just assumed Higurashi was really old. You can't always watch anime that looks super good. I will say I wish the animation in LOGH looked better, because I want to watch it but I'm nervous about it. If LotGH had an animation value of, well let's say Kara No Kyoukai, or anything by Ufotable as a matter of fact, that would be...an insult to the anime world. Because it would be that insanely good. |
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Solvite said: I had just assumed Higurashi was really old. You can't always watch anime that looks super good. I will say I wish the animation in LOGH looked better, because I want to watch it but I'm nervous about it. The animation for LoGH is perfectly fine for what it is. It's not like there are a lot of heavy action scenes in it or anything. Chances are you'll get absorbed into the story and won't give a shit about the animation. Well, that's how I was. |
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Is this the future of anime animation? |
Solvite said: Is this the future of anime animation? Hope it's not, because of reasons. |
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Jovoo said: Solvite said: Is this the future of anime animation? Hope it's not, because of reasons. I normally am not a super big fan of CGI, but in the context of that story I think it fits. |
Sophilia said: I thought Higurashi's art was fine. It just bothered me how the graphics suddenly changed between the first and Kai. Can i really skip the first season? If I have to hear the story of the festival again i'm going to shoot myself. |
Solvite said: Jovoo said: Solvite said: Is this the future of anime animation? Hope it's not, because of reasons. I normally am not a super big fan of CGI, but in the context of that story I think it fits. Leave CGI to Hollywood, we don't need it in anime. And you might be right with the whole story part, however as I said above, what Ufotable are doing right now, setting standards and what not, we can't ask for anything more (and we won't get it anyway, because of reasons). |
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Solvite said: Sophilia said: I thought Higurashi's art was fine. It just bothered me how the graphics suddenly changed between the first and Kai. Can i really skip the first season? If I have to hear the story of the festival again i'm going to shoot myself. Bear with it, and you will be rewarded, trust me. |
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Sophilia said: What Jav said, but Solvite, you don't enjoy the gore? That was one of the main reasons I watched it in the first place. The gore is cool, but its like... gah. "Four years ago" AWBGHFIODKOBGHSFOBN I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED JUST STAB SOMEONE. |
Solvite said: Sophilia said: I thought Higurashi's art was fine. It just bothered me how the graphics suddenly changed between the first and Kai. Can i really skip the first season? If I have to hear the story of the festival again i'm going to shoot myself. Like the others I would highly recommend finishing the first season before going into Kai. |
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DrCakey said: PSInova said: When I got to FSN, I felt disgusted for a second. I just watched a grand form or art and colors and then "that" lol? What You're Saying: Fate/zero was prettier than Fate/stay night. What We Think You're Saying: Fate/zero was Fate/zero and Fate/stay night was...uh...Fate/stay night. I actually know exactly what the OP is saying. Pretty much all pre-2000 anime I can't watch because the style/animation take me out of the experience. Even some post-2000 anime like RahXephon are almost physically painful to look at. I wish this wasn't the case, but for some reason it is. =( This is what I meant. Thank you for that. |
| Animation style only bothers me when the characters don't fit real life proportioning. Its the reason why I will never watch One Piece. I also barely made it through Mirai Nikki. |
Sophilia said: What Jav said, but Solvite, you don't enjoy the gore? That was one of the main reasons I watched it in the first place. See, the problem with the anime is that Higurashi (the VN, I mean) isn't about gore in any way at all. They were more of a result of growing paranoia and suspense that I don't think the anime really captured. That said, I think the Kai arcs were handled a lot better. Probably because the longer length of the arcs. Solvite said: Animation style only bothers me when the characters don't fit real life proportioning. Its the reason why I will never watch One Piece. I also barely made it through Mirai Nikki. That's hardly convincing coming from someone with a Yuru Yuri avatar and Clannad After Story in their favorites..... I like those shows, but come on man. |
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insan3soldiern said: Sophilia said: What Jav said, but Solvite, you don't enjoy the gore? That was one of the main reasons I watched it in the first place. See, the problem with the anime is that Higurashi (the VN, I mean) isn't about gore in any way at all. They were more of a result of growing paranoia and suspense that I don't think the anime really captured. That said, I think the Kai arcs were handled a lot better. Probably because the longer length of the arcs. Solvite said: Animation style only bothers me when the characters don't fit real life proportioning. Its the reason why I will never watch One Piece. I also barely made it through Mirai Nikki. That's hardly convincing coming from someone with a Yuru Yuri avatar and Clannad After Story in their favorites..... I like those shows, but come on man. Can you explain to me how Yuru Yuri and Clannad had characters that werent shaped like real people? |
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