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Matenrou said: They never explain what it does. That whole thing with the skeletons was most likely just Zaraki daydreaming.Uno's Bankai is similar to Aizen's Shikhai |
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| Doesn't a Bankai have a similar power to the shikai it said in the yama fight; so her bankai has to do with healing in some way. |
125188 said: Doesn't a Bankai have a similar power to the shikai it said in the yama fight; so her bankai has to do with healing in some way. You mean like soi fong's? |
| Throw sticks or stones and I'll break you're bones, but words...I'll just delete 'em. |
Darwich said: The over all theme of Soi Fong's zanpakuto is that her shikai power was a potential "2 hit KO" and her bankai power is a potential "1 hit KO" so it still fits.....sort of.125188 said: Doesn't a Bankai have a similar power to the shikai it said in the yama fight; so her bankai has to do with healing in some way. You mean like soi fong's? |
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Darwich said: 125188 said: Doesn't a Bankai have a similar power to the shikai it said in the yama fight; so her bankai has to do with healing in some way. You mean like soi fong's? Soifon's Shikai: kill shit in two hits. Soifon's Bankai: Kill EVERYTHING in one hit. So whatever Uno's bankai is, it has to do with life |
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| She's dead, bless her soul. The resent development has been quite different in it's writing style. Kubo is in his romantic and poetic mood and I find the relationship of Unohana and Zaraki beautiful; two warriors with a incredible strong passion for fighting. Both wish to let it last forever, him putting restrains on himself and her learning to heal. One could say that this is mad thinking that a strong and experienced senior like Unohana has agreed to die in this fight, but even if she could wipe out a lot of enemies with her Bankai, it would possibly be stolen when released. Zaraki has finally awakened. He'll be the most feared shinigami ever in the history of Soul Society, a true Kenpachi and the man that made Unohana proud. |
| Wow, I really enjoyed this chapter. I don't get why people get upset about Unohana's bankai. She was a fodder character and thus, was given a fodder bankai x). I mean, people got interested in her only now. For example, I hadn't cared for her the entire manga so I felt nothing after her bankai was kinda useless. I actually can see this as the end of this fight, don't think it will be continued, because of the mood Kubo was setting up this whole chapter. Now the question is if Kubo pulls his trademark move(and I REALLY hope he won't). ''naaaah it's ok, he/she is fine"". After all I guess she is one of the least popular characters from this series so probability of her death is pretty high x), then again, it's Bleach ;]. |
PutyFeb 13, 2013 10:37 AM
| That was a terrible chapter of Bleach. We only got to see Unohana's bankai for 2 seconds, and the *BANG* right in the fucking throat! She's probably definitely going to die, maybe we're going to see some shitty flashbacks in the next chapter. I never thought I'd say this, but I would rather read a chapter solely based on Orihime's infatuation with Ichigo a 10000 times over, than even talk about 526 of Bleach again. |
Arashi89 said: Why are you guys hoping for the worst possible plot development?! Because we made it through 526 chapters of this and Kubos storytelling-mistakes tend to come back a few times too often. Like: every. single. time. |
Arashi89 said: Why are you guys hoping for the worst possible plot development?! plot development? this is bleach... there's none of that here |
Puty said: Wow, I really enjoyed this chapter. I don't get why people get upset about Unohana's bankai. She was a fodder character and thus, was given a fodder bankai the problem is that in reality most character in bleach have been fodder up until now but as soon as we think we're going to get some real development out of a character that should hold importance in the bleach mythology Kubo trolls us again. If she was purposely meant as fodder why even devote this much wasted time towards her? It's obvious that her being "fodder" wasn't intentional and just highlights the fact that kubo has problems w/ character development and progression. |
| It seems to me Kenpachi pulled Alucard on Unohana. Alucard impaled Rip van Winkle on the musket and Kenpachi did the same with his blade. Just look where Kenpachi hand is. Penetrated from her stomach to neck with his sword. Few things can happen. Unohana can die right there with short explanation of her Bankai. Other outcome is that Kenpachi forces her to keep on living. He won and so her life belongs to him. He can use that to force her to live with him and keep him alive anywhere they go to fight. I would be great if She cut her hair as to mark the death of Yachiru Kenpachi and create new image of Unohana Retsu. What's better? Zaraki that just killed his mentor and teacher (Think Unohana trained Zaraki when he was kid) or use her to heal any wounds he would sustain so that he can enjoy fighting at 100% forever. Uno x Zaraki double teaming someone would be great. Exchanging blows with him and taking care of each other. Zaraki taking blows for Unohana and her healing him in turn so that they could constantly push forward and attack. Blondie from VR would be great opponent of Zaraki. I think he was the one that beat him up since Yuha was a fake. |
| The story would do just as fine if there was no rule where only one kenpachi is allowed to live, I would be just as happy if she was able to draw out his potential without having to die. Soul society needs healers, never liked her vice-captain so hopefully they don't kill the captain off. Kubo's story-telling is hard to predict sometimes since it looks like he makes it up as he goes without planning so maybe he'll find some ridiculous way to have her live. |
| Hope she's dead. I never liked her to begin with. |
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tankoubon-feind said: I totally agree, but all of those undeveloped characters were given some traits, we got to like them more or less. With Unohana it was... nothing. Kubo carefully prepared twist invollving her and forgot to give her some more personality along the way. |
| Good chapter. That last page was pretty epic, and now I wonder how exactly strong Kenpachi is considering it seems like he is at his full potential now. |
Touch me, you filthy casual~ |
| Shame that we didn't get to see Unohana actually do something with her bankai. |
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| I really hope Zaraki didn't kill Unohana. It would be a waste to be honest. |
| man that read a bit like a romantic novel or sorts, kinda weird. |
| Don't mind me, just coming in this thread to rage at how BLOODY FUCKING STUPID THIS WHOLE SUBPLOT IS. Seriously, what the fuck is Kubo smoking. This is just as bad as the Fullbringer arc. This isn't the fucking Highlander, why the hell must they fight to the death when SS is facing one of biggest crisis in their whole history?! They had several centuries time before they were engaged in a bloody war against the Vandenreich where they might actually need like...hmm...I don't know... TWO FUCKING OVERPOWERED WARMONGERS INSTEAD OF JUST A SINGLE ONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MASSIVE SHORTAGE OF MANPOWER. Holy fuck, this is so bad. How the hell did SS last for several millenia when they apprently are too dumb to get even the most basic military strategies?! And I won't even mention the retarded fluctuating powerlevels in this series as a supposed explanation for this pseudo-innuendo. Utter nonsense. |
NidhoeggrFeb 13, 2013 2:06 PM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Archnemesis said: 2) barragans respira seems to target who he wants. Her bankai supposedly destroys . no. remember how he died or his fight in general? |
Eltrik said: Archnemesis said: 2) barragans respira seems to target who he wants. Her bankai supposedly destroys . no. remember how he died or his fight in general? Yeah i remember it. He breathes it out and it chases his target. And he was only immune to it on the outside. Covered himself with his own power as some sort of protective shell. His hand was teleported inside him where he had no defence. She wasnt immune at all. Even her skin started to melt away.  |
Nidhoeggr said: Don't mind me, just coming in this thread to rage at how BLOODY FUCKING STUPID THIS WHOLE SUBPLOT IS. Seriously, what the fuck is Kubo smoking. This is just as bad as the Fullbringer arc. This isn't the fucking Highlander, why the hell must they fight to the death when SS is facing one of biggest crisis in their whole history?! They had several centuries time before they were engaged in a bloody war against the Vandenreich where they might actually need like...hmm...I don't know... TWO FUCKING OVERPOWERED WARMONGERS INSTEAD OF JUST A SINGLE ONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MASSIVE SHORTAGE OF MANPOWER. Holy fuck, this is so bad. How the hell did SS last for several millenia when they apprently are too dumb to get even the most basic military strategies?! And I won't even mention the retarded fluctuating powerlevels in this series as a supposed explanation for this pseudo-innuendo. Utter nonsense. Amen. |
| unohana better not be dead. kubo can't build her up to be some extraordinary warrior + then just kill her off. i'd much prefer that she + zaraki just fight together but no, we have to be given some unnecessary fight to satiate fans' needs for so-called "epic" fights that have absolutely no significance in the grand scheme of things + are never that impressive in the first place. also, if there can only be one kenpachi why are they only just fighting now? the more i think about this, the more this progression enrages me. i just hope unohana is alive + well + able to kill some goddamn quincies. also her bankai looked so good + we got, what, one page of it? and without an explanation. this is so enraging. kubo better fix this travesty. |
| What a let down, what does her bankai does again, or did I miss something? Anyways I was expecting more from unohana, yet another character gets trolled. But this is Bleach so I don't believe that she's dead yet, until it is confirmed next chapter. |
| Actually as few others said, her not dying after all this built-up about her imminent death will be kind of lame. Not that i will be surprised if she doesn't die. On the other hand, if she dies but we get no explanation of what her bankai ever was it would also be disappointing and it would seem like Kubo just tried to avoid explaining her bankai because he didn't have a good idea what to give her. He knows that readers wanted to know her bankai and if he avoids explaining it, it would seem very cheap. tankoubon-feind said: namelessregret said: tankoubon-feind said: Her Bankai basically have the same ability Baraggan had: Respira.Also what did her bankai do? was the peeling away of the skin some sort of metaphor or what? really? thats a pretty lame bankai especially considering how much she's been hyped. Im losing hope for bleach more and more... Yeah, really, just believe every idiot on the internet, because we are all totally friends with Kubo and learn chapters before hand. Nidhoeggr said: Don't mind me, just coming in this thread to rage at how BLOODY FUCKING STUPID THIS WHOLE SUBPLOT IS. Seriously, what the fuck is Kubo smoking. This is just as bad as the Fullbringer arc. This isn't the fucking Highlander, why the hell must they fight to the death when SS is facing one of biggest crisis in their whole history?! They had several centuries time before they were engaged in a bloody war against the Vandenreich where they might actually need like...hmm...I don't know... TWO FUCKING OVERPOWERED WARMONGERS INSTEAD OF JUST A SINGLE ONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MASSIVE SHORTAGE OF MANPOWER. Holy fuck, this is so bad. How the hell did SS last for several millenia when they apprently are too dumb to get even the most basic military strategies?! And I won't even mention the retarded fluctuating powerlevels in this series as a supposed explanation for this pseudo-innuendo. Utter nonsense. Not only power levels are over 9000 but your stupidity seems to be too. Who the fuck told you that there was a way to avoid such a fight and bring back his full potential? Obviously to fully wake him up she needs to bring out a very dangerous fight that has a high risk of her dieing. This isn't a matter of a fucking choice, so whether they would like to have both of them or not is irrelevant. |
MonadFeb 13, 2013 8:19 PM
Monad said: Obviously to fully wake him up she needs to bring out a very dangerous fight that has a high risk of her dieing. This isn't a matter of a fucking choice, so whether they would like to have both of them or not is irrelevant. Don't you think thats a pretty stupid plot device in order to get them to fight and to get kenpachi his bankai in a few chapters? I don't understand why kubo feels he needs to form all these subplots in order to get characters to fight when most don't care about the story in bleach anyway. |
Archnemesis said: To me it makes sense. Ichigo is the already overpowered mainstay of the manga. Theres your first overpowered warmonger. Ive said it before: when unohana said one of them has to die its for this reason. Either kenpachi would remain too weak and shed kill him in the end (unlikely as we now know), or during her 'training' of him he would regain consciousness and be just that much stronger than her he would deal her a fatal wound. Which supposedly happened in the last page. Zaraki wasnt strong enough to take on the leader as he was. Unohana probably may have been able to. And of course they couldn't have done this in the past 500 years or so? I mean, we kind of had the danger of several Vastolords appearing in front of them a few years ago... Monad said: Not only power levels are over 9000 but your stupidity seems to be too. Who the fuck told you that there was a way to avoid such a fight and bring back his full potential? Obviously to fully wake him up she needs to bring out a very dangerous fight that has a high risk of her dieing. This isn't a matter of a fucking choice, so whether they would like to have both of them or not is irrelevant. Once again, why only now? Why not during the other time SS was in grave danger? And why the fuck would ANY competent leader ignore such a potential powerhouse wasting said potential only to hastly fall back on it in one of the worst moments. The decisions of the captains, or better: SS in general, are as irrational as they come. It doesn't make sense. And that is because Kubo, like usual, is pulling things out of his ass to satisfy fanboys with stupid and pointless fights that shouldn't be there in the first place if he actually would plan his story before drawing. |
NidhoeggrFeb 14, 2013 3:46 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Nidhoeggr said: Archnemesis said: To me it makes sense. Ichigo is the already overpowered mainstay of the manga. Theres your first overpowered warmonger. Ive said it before: when unohana said one of them has to die its for this reason. Either kenpachi would remain too weak and shed kill him in the end (unlikely as we now know), or during her 'training' of him he would regain consciousness and be just that much stronger than her he would deal her a fatal wound. Which supposedly happened in the last page. Zaraki wasnt strong enough to take on the leader as he was. Unohana probably may have been able to. And of course they couldn't have done this in the past 500 years or so? I mean, we kind of had the danger of several Vastolords appearing in front of them a few years ago... Monad said: Not only power levels are over 9000 but your stupidity seems to be too. Who the fuck told you that there was a way to avoid such a fight and bring back his full potential? Obviously to fully wake him up she needs to bring out a very dangerous fight that has a high risk of her dieing. This isn't a matter of a fucking choice, so whether they would like to have both of them or not is irrelevant. Once again, why only now? Why not during the other time SS was in grave danger? And why the fuck would ANY competent leader ignore such a potential powerhouse wasting said potential only to hastly fall back on it in one of the worst moments. The decisions of the captains, or better: SS in general, are as irrational as they come. It doesn't make sense. And that is because Kubo, like usual, is pulling things out of his ass to satisfy fanboys with stupid and pointless fights that shouldn't be there in the first place if he actually would plan his story before drawing. Now you bring a complete different matter than them possibly losing one of them in this fight. This and that are two different things. Basically now you changed the subject and you are asking why she didn't fight Aizen or why wasn't Kenpachi trained by her before when Aizen was doing his party? Well am not Kubo to know exactly why he did what but unlike you guys i have enough imagination and sense to find logical reasons instead of pretending there aren't any that comes to mind. Kenpachi is a battle fanatic that killed the previous captain to take his place. Even if the rule allows it such actions are very uncommon and disliked. His a scary person with a a scary personality and big scary potential, so is clear SS wasn't all to keen on letting him get his full power if it could be avoided and had such a possible action only as a last resort. Now with even the captain commander dead and their bankais useless or stolen they really are pushed to a corner like never before so that's why it is happening now. SS was very strongly based around the power and figure of captain commander, as long as they had him they always felt they could still handle things. Unohana at the same time was held in the back of conflicts because she had the key of unlocking that last resort measure. So when they gathered to go and fight Aizen, first they didn't feel like they were hopeless so to prepare Kenpachi from before and second releasing the power of Kenpachi for Aizen would have been too much of a wasted risk for them since Aizen's power was that full illusion shit that he tricked captains seeing including Kenpachi so they would have released a power they preferred not to for someone that will probably had a way to avoid such power anyway since he already had Kenpachi under his spell. Unlike Aizen, Kenpachi's power is perfect against this guys that steal bankais since Kenpachi doesn't have to use one. |
MonadFeb 14, 2013 9:05 AM
| 3/5 Bleach needs to end ... The plot has grown so feeble ... But i have to say that the art is still top notch =) |
PolychromeFeb 14, 2013 8:02 AM
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Monad said: Now you bring a complete different matter than them possibly losing one of them in this fight. This and that are two different things. Basically now you changed the subject and you are asking why she didn't fight Aizen or why wasn't Kenpachi trained by her before when Aizen was doing his party? Well am not Kubo to know exactly why he did what but unlike you guys i have enough imagination and sense to find logical reasons instead of pretending there aren't any that comes to mind. Kenpachi is a battle fanatic that killed the previous captain to take his place. Even if the rule allows it such actions are very uncommon and disliked. His a scary person with a a scary personality and big scary potential, so is clear SS wasn't all to keen on letting him get his full power if it could be avoided and had such a possible action only as a last resort. Now with even the captain commander dead and their bankais useless or stolen they really are pushed to a corner like never before so that's why it is happening now. SS was very strongly based around the power and figure of captain commander, as long as they had him they always felt they could still handle things. Unohana at the same time was held in the back of conflicts because she had the key of unlocking that last resort measure. So when they gathered to go and fight Aizen, first they didn't feel like they were hopeless so to prepare Kenpachi from before and second releasing the power of Kenpachi for Aizen would have been too much of a wasted risk for them since Aizen's power was that full illusion shit that he tricked captains seeing including Kenpachi so they would have released a power they preferred not do for someone that will probably had a way to avoid such power anyway since he already had Kenpachi under his spell. Unlike Aizen, Kenpachi's power is perfect against this guys that steal bankais since Kenpachi doesn't have to use one. Don't try to rationalize what isn't there. This is the logic fans of Guilty Crown, SAO and other bad anime/manga use when they encounter plot holes. "What-if's" are irrelevant whan faced with the lackluster writing that makes it neccessary to come up with them in the first place. Fact is that the Kubo wrote himself into a corner as apparently SS had no problems sending Kenpachi to HM to help Ichigo when they knew Aizen was there. Also, when the Captain Commando is so powerful and amazing that they didn't feel to unleash kenpachi's potential (which implies that he is stroger than him), why is Kenpachi only interesting in fighting Unohana? The whole subplot being played out at this specific time is idiotic because there were countless opportunities and other factors that should've played into it, prompting this situation to be resolved before Ichigo even became a Shinigami. But then again, Kubo doesn't want that. He wants to show fights. And he wants to show "badass" characters, no matter how much sense it makes in the story context. My other main problem is: Powerlevels in Bleach are so inconsistent that Kubo has to come up with excuses and asspulls constantly to keep the SS/Ichigo/[Person X] at a disadvantage to include even more fights that slow down the story development. The reason? Imho it's because Kubo is a shit writer and doesn't have an idea how to push a story forward most of the time, thus stalling constantly. And this is really getting frutstrating, especially in this arc. What about Ishida for example? We are nearly 50 chapters into an arc about a Quincy empire waging war against all Shinigami and he is even more irrelevant than ever before so far? Instead, Kubo includes shitty and drawn-out fights to further stall and please fans who onyl want to see their beloved characters. This is very weak and I despise this kind of writing the most. |
NidhoeggrFeb 14, 2013 9:09 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Nidhoeggr said: Monad said: Now you bring a complete different matter than them possibly losing one of them in this fight. This and that are two different things. Basically now you changed the subject and you are asking why she didn't fight Aizen or why wasn't Kenpachi trained by her before when Aizen was doing his party? Well am not Kubo to know exactly why he did what but unlike you guys i have enough imagination and sense to find logical reasons instead of pretending there aren't any that comes to mind. Kenpachi is a battle fanatic that killed the previous captain to take his place. Even if the rule allows it such actions are very uncommon and disliked. His a scary person with a a scary personality and big scary potential, so is clear SS wasn't all to keen on letting him get his full power if it could be avoided and had such a possible action only as a last resort. Now with even the captain commander dead and their bankais useless or stolen they really are pushed to a corner like never before so that's why it is happening now. SS was very strongly based around the power and figure of captain commander, as long as they had him they always felt they could still handle things. Unohana at the same time was held in the back of conflicts because she had the key of unlocking that last resort measure. So when they gathered to go and fight Aizen, first they didn't feel like they were hopeless so to prepare Kenpachi from before and second releasing the power of Kenpachi for Aizen would have been too much of a wasted risk for them since Aizen's power was that full illusion shit that he tricked captains seeing including Kenpachi so they would have released a power they preferred not do for someone that will probably had a way to avoid such power anyway since he already had Kenpachi under his spell. Unlike Aizen, Kenpachi's power is perfect against this guys that steal bankais since Kenpachi doesn't have to use one. Don't try to rationalize what isn't there. This is the logic fans of Guilty Crown, SAO and other bad anime/manga use when they encounter plot holes. "What-if's" are irrelevant whan faced with the lackluster writing that makes it neccessary to come up with them in the first place. Fact is that the Kubo wrote himself into a corner as apparently SS had no problems sending Kenpachi to HM to help Ichigo when they knew Aizen was there. Also, when the Captain Commando is so powerful and amazing that they didn't feel to unleash kenpachi's potential (which implies that he is stroger than him), why is Kenpachi only interesting in fighting Unohana? The whole subplot being played out at this specific time is idiotic because there were countless opportunities and other factors that should've played into it, prompting this situation to be resolved before Ichigo even became a Shinigami. But then again, Kubo doesn't want that. He wants to show fights. And he wants to show "badass" characters, no matter how much sense it makes in the story context. My other main problem is: Powerlevels in Bleach are so inconsistent that Kubo has to come up with excuses and asspulls constantly to keep the SS/Ichigo/[Person X] at a disadvantage to include even more fights that slow down the story development. The reason? Imho it's because Kubo is a shit writer and doesn't have an idea how to push a story forward most of the time, thus stalling constantly. And this is really getting frutstrating, especially in this arc. What about Ishida for example? We are nearly 50 chapters into an arc about a Quincy empire waging war against all Shinigami and he is even more irrelevant than ever before so far? Instead, Kubo includes shitty and drawn-out fights to further stall and please fans who onyl want to see their beloved characters. This is very weak and I despise this kind of writing the most. You are just ridiculous now. My explanations to everything fit perfectly and make perfect sense, there are no "what if's" in them(btw i like how you conveniently pulled out of the first argument without saying you were wrong simply by putting more questions in others things) but you simply brushed them aside by using names like guilty crown and SAO despite having no logical arguments on why there is anything wrong with those explanations simply because you decided that you wanted to come to Mal and post in this chapter on how you hate Kubo and his so awful that no matter of logic can get threw to you. Your are a little too fanatic in your hate and you lost your sense of logic. Now you decided to escape again by using new questions about Ishida. I could answer that too but look i ain't gonna be playing this game to eternity, stick to your freaking questions got damn it and stop trying to bring new ones just so you can avoid saying "Oh yeah you are right i guess that has a logical explanation". It's not like am Kubo's and Bleach biggest fan and i have a mission to answer every question about every thing so i can prove Bleach has no mistakes(that's Fai's work). I simply answered to a few things that can clearly be explained and yet you act like they don't. If you want to bring a tone of questions then make a thread and ask if those are plot-holes or can be explained. Btw can you rephrase this in English so i can get it because it seemed at least to be based on my explanations. "Also, when the Captain Commando is so powerful and amazing that they didn't feel to unleash kenpachi's potential (which implies that he is stroger than him), why is Kenpachi only interesting in fighting Unohana? " And as about Kenpachi being sent to Hueco Moundo, i really don't get where the problem is exactly. They knew Aizen would come out trying to make the key, that much was obvious since they expected him there and even built a fake town. Sending Kenpachi there seems more like actually sending him somewhere that he avoids getting in to the big fight. |
MonadFeb 14, 2013 2:58 PM
| The bankai it's surely not explained at all but if it's really an illusion type bankai like most of you are saying (and that obviously makes sense) that didn't work with zaraki for obvious reasons since he is a berserker, maybe that was something to test zaraki if he is in fact a true kenpachi title holder? |
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| wow, I changed my mind about Unohana completely. she is just amazing. |
| 講廢話,被撞到. |
| her bankai = genjutsu kenpachi is stuck inside a genjutsu |
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