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Dec 1, 2008 6:47 PM

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DeathfireD said:

No because Touma's arm nullifies any type of magic. The attack done to his arm was physical however even if the Alchemist thought of Touma's arm reattaching, it wouldn't happen. In-staid Touma used the situation to his advantage by making the Alchemist think of him as a crazy person (aka. a demon) which then produced that crazy demon arm.

^ This.

There is no loophole. Aureolus had used his power to directly skin Styl, and when he realized his powers weren't all that, it reversed what he had done.

Touma's arm was not a direct result of Aureolus's power. He simply manifested a weapon and indirectly sliced off Touma's arm. Therefore, there is nothing for him to reverse. Touma's arm was physically sliced off, not magically ripped off by Aureolus's power. If he were to reverse anything, it was the weapon itself. The arm would still be lying on the floor in a pool of blood.
 
Dec 1, 2008 7:10 PM
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i have a question... was these past few episodes fillers because i dont remember them in the manga
 
Dec 1, 2008 7:21 PM

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First thought about Touma's dragon-hand was Hellsing's metamorphosis. :)
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Yet both of your explanations do not explain of why would Touma's arm reattach itself? Logically from deduction of both your comments (DeathfireD and -N0iR-) Touma got his arm back because he forced with his character enough fear on to the Alchemist to have him think otherwise which in turn brought back Magnus and thus logically Touma's arm. Right or wrong, I am?

But Touma's arm did not reattached itself, the super-duper doctor attached it back. :)
With the crazy, invulnerable appearance he "forced" at Aureolus to thought about him as invulnerable (can't slice his head off, etc) and when he started to fear him, his fear materialized in that demonic right arm. He realized it at the end, but it was late, he couldn't get rid of the thoughts.
Likely when he lost consciousness the illusion gone with him. As Magnus said they erased his powers and memories taken away, but he is alive.
Maybe there will be more about Touma's this side. Magnus said it was the shock and all, but I think there will be more behind this later.

pm.: Oh, and it was a good episode, I loved it. :)


So there is some loophole in the whole who did the arm get back together to reattach it on Touma by the doctor? Remember Touma's arm got sliced off by the blade of the Alchemist fired from one of the guns.


There is no loophole, the doctor in the hospital reattached his arm using surgery (IE. no magic was involved). We can assume Touma or the Fire guy carried the arm to the hospital so they could reattach it.

The arm you saw with the dragon type face was just a manifestation of what the alchemist was thinking when Touma was acting like a crazy monster. It wasn't Touma's original arm nor was it his own powers.
 
Dec 1, 2008 7:32 PM

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I really like how Touma went nuts on him, kind of slow at the start but the fight rocked.

Next week we get a maid?
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Dec 1, 2008 7:52 PM

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MUCH better than what we've been getting. The inventive fights were something missing these last few weeks. I hope the show remains this consistent.
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Dec 1, 2008 10:01 PM

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Wasabi said:
DeathfireD said:

No because Touma's arm nullifies any type of magic. The attack done to his arm was physical however even if the Alchemist thought of Touma's arm reattaching, it wouldn't happen. In-staid Touma used the situation to his advantage by making the Alchemist think of him as a crazy person (aka. a demon) which then produced that crazy demon arm.

^ This.

There is no loophole. Aureolus had used his power to directly skin Styl, and when he realized his powers weren't all that, it reversed what he had done.

Touma's arm was not a direct result of Aureolus's power. He simply manifested a weapon and indirectly sliced off Touma's arm. Therefore, there is nothing for him to reverse. Touma's arm was physically sliced off, not magically ripped off by Aureolus's power. If he were to reverse anything, it was the weapon itself. The arm would still be lying on the floor in a pool of blood.


Thank you sir for your explanations and to you DeathfireD! :D
I wonder if they will show more of this scene in the DVD versions? Seems there might have been bits cut off or blackened. Anyone?

I for one would have wanted to see that arm carrying other than using my imagination to see how it would go and understand the character. Too bad!
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Dec 2, 2008 1:40 AM

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Gah, seeing Magnus get ripped like that was uncalled for @_@

Touma's gar-ness level went up big time.
 
Dec 2, 2008 3:50 AM

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Wasabi said:
If he were to reverse anything, it was the weapon itself. The arm would still be lying on the floor in a pool of blood.
Except that he wasn't really reversing anything. He was still 'creating' new stuff, it's just that the new stuff returned objects (notably Styl) to an undamaged state. He could very well have imagined Touma's arm back in place, but I already said he was having a nightmare.
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Dec 2, 2008 4:40 AM

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Quite a good episode. Touma's dragon hand arm and Stiyl getting his skin torn off was quite intense. I wonder if we'll see more of this.
Anyways, I'm looking forward to the next episode.
 
Dec 2, 2008 12:13 PM

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ok, it was nice ep for me... Touma with blood all over was fun to watch :D he sometimes indeed is scary one :D

I wanted to scream when I saw Magnus with no skin ... I like him after all...

well, Index is cute [apples.. apples..], but I like Aisa better.. maybe it's my love for Miko tipe characters :D

ah, more Misaka in next ep... woohoo!
 
Dec 2, 2008 2:30 PM
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JadeMatrix said:
Wasabi said:
If he were to reverse anything, it was the weapon itself. The arm would still be lying on the floor in a pool of blood.
Except that he wasn't really reversing anything. He was still 'creating' new stuff, it's just that the new stuff returned objects (notably Styl) to an undamaged state. He could very well have imagined Touma's arm back in place, but I already said he was having a nightmare.
Hmm, your explanation makes sense. He basically got tricked by fear into fixing up most of the damage.

As for people complaining this is becoming into a magician of the week thing, I think we're getting into the meat of the season now with the introduction to the strongest level 5 Esper (white-haired boy, known as Accelerator) and the re-introduction of Mikoto. Time for the Espers to show their stuff.

 
Dec 2, 2008 3:13 PM

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This episode was the first time I ever really liked Touma. I wish he could be that psychotic in all of his fights. : (
 
Dec 2, 2008 5:46 PM
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Amazing episode with Imagine Breaker vs Imagine Producer (Ars Magna) fight. I loved everything about it. And thanks for all the theories. Yup, no loopholes if you keep thinking about it, haha. At least all the events are justifiable.

And we all love Index don't we. :3
 
Dec 2, 2008 11:33 PM

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Huh there was an episode this week? All I could think about was how we will finally be getting some imouto next episode!

With that said, chalk in another lady to Touma's ever-growing harem. The guy has a harem without even knowing about it...what misfortune =P
 
Dec 3, 2008 1:12 AM

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Izzard is a total pedo
 
Dec 3, 2008 4:52 PM

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That was a really good episode. Loved pretty much the whole thing.

I assume Touma used his power to "undo" the reality/thought by Izzard of the right portion of his body.

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With that said, chalk in another lady to Touma's ever-growing harem. The guy has a harem without even knowing about it...what misfortune =P


Lol, true. Although Touma is a much more likable protagonist from your typical harem male lead, imo.
 
Dec 3, 2008 11:06 PM

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I hope an uncensored version airs/the DVD version is uncensored. I want to see the gaping hole on Touma's right side. *3*
 
Dec 4, 2008 3:43 PM

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this episode was nice~
loved the dragon ish arm thingy and how he sounded so evil >;)~
 
Dec 6, 2008 3:48 PM

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alright that dragon was awesome, the part where styil lost his skin was even more awesome, and seeing Touma all bloodied up and pissed was just plain epic i actually really liked this episode a lot given only for all the brutalness of it
 
Dec 7, 2008 8:11 AM

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I loved it when Touma acted all pissed and crazy, with all that blood on him. That was pretty cool, and... I feel weird, but I found him so hot there, HAHA.
 
Dec 7, 2008 7:44 PM

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this was a great episode.
so, alchemy guy also likes index.... and is crazy... oh well
way to breat the ice index.... apples....
yay for touma saving himegami.
i laughed at touma reducing the car.... and stopping his death in the other ways.
poor styl..... to get skinned like that.... ouch.
so.... the alchemist's power is much like the gigalomaniacs.... instead of the dilusion, he pretty much thinks about it.... anime crossover thinking ftw.
i am glad touma was able to use a mental trick on aurelous.
touma was badass acting tough without an arm xD
i laughed when i saw that touma had his arm back connected to his body... so in that world, it is normal to go missing arms every once in awhile?
cutting apples.... XD
himegami emits waves.... lol
himegami is cute
himegami has been accepted by me.
himegami has joined the walking church
touma has one more person to take care of.
"fukoda..."
next episode should be awesome, with the esper.
 
Dec 10, 2008 12:44 PM

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JadeMatrix said:
Wasabi said:
If he were to reverse anything, it was the weapon itself. The arm would still be lying on the floor in a pool of blood.
Except that he wasn't really reversing anything. He was still 'creating' new stuff, it's just that the new stuff returned objects (notably Styl) to an undamaged state. He could very well have imagined Touma's arm back in place, but I already said he was having a nightmare.


Why the hell didnt the alchemist just imagined Index to be super healthy, happy and in love with him (..and with bigger boobs) three years ago?


PS: "There is no arm" (Matrix-Quote) :P
 
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FTGT said:
JadeMatrix said:
Wasabi said:
If he were to reverse anything, it was the weapon itself. The arm would still be lying on the floor in a pool of blood.
Except that he wasn't really reversing anything. He was still 'creating' new stuff, it's just that the new stuff returned objects (notably Styl) to an undamaged state. He could very well have imagined Touma's arm back in place, but I already said he was having a nightmare.


Why the hell didnt the alchemist just imagined Index to be super healthy, happy and in love with him (..and with bigger boobs) three years ago?


PS: "There is no arm" (Matrix-Quote) :P


Good one mate but would it even be possible with the Ars Magna?
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Dec 11, 2008 10:57 AM
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All the dudes in this anime are going crazy for Index's cuteness lol.
Glad Himegami might be a regular.
 
Dec 14, 2008 6:28 PM
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FTGT said:
JadeMatrix said:
Wasabi said:
If he were to reverse anything, it was the weapon itself. The arm would still be lying on the floor in a pool of blood.
Except that he wasn't really reversing anything. He was still 'creating' new stuff, it's just that the new stuff returned objects (notably Styl) to an undamaged state. He could very well have imagined Touma's arm back in place, but I already said he was having a nightmare.


Why the hell didnt the alchemist just imagined Index to be super healthy, happy and in love with him (..and with bigger boobs) three years ago?


PS: "There is no arm" (Matrix-Quote) :P


Good one mate but would it even be possible with the Ars Magna?
He didn't have Ars Magna back then either, or at the very least he hadn't mastered it. The thing with that ability is that he has to be 100% confident that he can do it. If he hesitates about it it won't work or he may undo things by mistake, like how he fixed Styl by thinking about Styl when he started doubting his power. Any single doubt in his mind and it wouldn't work. So while in a technical level, his power could have saved Index easily, he didn't have the mental strength and confidence to try it.

 
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Leon-Gun said:
slayer545-sama said:
FTGT said:
JadeMatrix said:
Wasabi said:
If he were to reverse anything, it was the weapon itself. The arm would still be lying on the floor in a pool of blood.
Except that he wasn't really reversing anything. He was still 'creating' new stuff, it's just that the new stuff returned objects (notably Styl) to an undamaged state. He could very well have imagined Touma's arm back in place, but I already said he was having a nightmare.


Why the hell didnt the alchemist just imagined Index to be super healthy, happy and in love with him (..and with bigger boobs) three years ago?


PS: "There is no arm" (Matrix-Quote) :P


Good one mate but would it even be possible with the Ars Magna?
He didn't have Ars Magna back then either, or at the very least he hadn't mastered it. The thing with that ability is that he has to be 100% confident that he can do it. If he hesitates about it it won't work or he may undo things by mistake, like how he fixed Styl by thinking about Styl when he started doubting his power. Any single doubt in his mind and it wouldn't work. So while in a technical level, his power could have saved Index easily, he didn't have the mental strength and confidence to try it.


Well said! I guess that concludes this explanation. Indeed he not have the mental strength nor confidence to do this.
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Jan 1, 2009 12:30 AM

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OK I admit it, I'm a n00b.... what does gar mean... >.<

It's great how Kaori even looks like Kotomi... that kind of half asleep, half curious look. So now we have Index + Kotomi... win.
 
Jan 2, 2009 7:35 PM
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loved this ep. soo good. had everything in it xP
but the whole arm thing was crazy! and lmao no i dont watch ER but cmon, its ANIME, since when does reality (aka blood loss) hav anything to do w/ anime xDD?
and p.s- it wasnt touma who summoned the crazy dragon monster thing, because izzard's thoughts become reality, he was imagining imagine breaker to be some kind of immense power so the thought took over and literally consumed him + stiyl came bak to life because touma convinced izzard that his magic was no longer working.
thou when u think about it, being able to imagine stiyl being ripped apart into a thousand pieces is kinda........gross.
 
Jan 3, 2009 3:00 PM

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Yes this was an awesome episode~ wow that was so cool when Touma "lost" his arm and started laughing maniacally that made me want to laugh.. xD Never thought this anime was this gory. o.O
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Jan 3, 2009 9:34 PM

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and p.s- it wasnt touma who summoned the crazy dragon monster thing, because izzard's thoughts become reality, he was imagining imagine breaker to be some kind of immense power so the thought took over and literally consumed him + stiyl came bak to life because touma convinced izzard that his magic was no longer working.


I agree, but what if that really is his arm? We don't know yet... heehee >:D
 
Jan 15, 2009 10:18 PM

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That was BAD ASS.

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Jan 21, 2009 10:26 PM

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I definitely got higurashi vibes when Touma lost his arm.
 
Oct 5, 2009 11:16 AM

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Damn, the order did not come out from his mouth but from his mind? now that's interesting, so Aisa gonna live with Touma too? this turned out to be a harem
 
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I definitely got higurashi vibes when Touma lost his arm.

Yeah me too, cowered in blood unleashing a psycho laughter, such an awesome scene =D

Luckily for him that doctor could stitch his arm back on, even though it would take years before he regained all movement in his arm and it would never be as good as it was before, though I guess they leave out such minor details ;)
 
Oct 22, 2009 7:16 AM

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Now this was a lot better than the previous episode. The fight and crazy Touma was awesome.
 
Nov 16, 2009 2:57 PM

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This episode had action, so I enjoyed it very much
Him planning on save Index was lame and now Aisa is living with him xD
 
Nov 30, 2009 2:21 AM

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Sadly, Aisa will have no important role after this episode. I feel sorry for Aroliuos for whoever we called, he's hidden too long to know how the world's going. :(
 
Dec 17, 2009 8:22 PM

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The best part in this episode is when Touma becomes sadistic~~


 
Jan 2, 2010 8:24 PM

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Oh, WHAT THE.

Whatever. I'm just going to nod and agree with everything those anime characters say. Woo!

 
Jan 11, 2010 7:55 PM

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Dude...when Styil lost his arm, I was half expecting him to say " 'Tis only a flesh wound!" or something like that XD
 
Jan 18, 2010 11:25 AM

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That was a pretty bad ass episode. Psycho mode Touma was just epic win. He pawned Aurelious really badly, making him believe that his powers are not working anymore,. Also, the dragon was also pretty bad ass aswell.

Index was also cute in this episode. She unconsiously said I'm hungry in a life threathing situation, lmao. Also, if she had partners before, wouldn't that make her like love for Touma a fake or something since she treated everyone the same. She treated Aurelious just like Styil and Touma, lol.

Wonder if Deep Blood will stay with them. I hope yea because I really like her. Don't let the church take her away Touma!
 
Apr 18, 2010 11:58 PM

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lol Index is always hungry. :P

Can't wait for the next ep. Finally I get to see more of Misaka Mikoto.
 
May 8, 2010 2:04 PM

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wow, great episode. this was the best so far.
 
Jun 12, 2010 10:38 PM

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I have to say, the logic behind this fight sequence was very impressive.

Also, several complete freak-out moments in this episode. When Stiyl was torn to shreds I totally flipped. And then Touma's arm getting sliced off was so freaky.

I really like this Deep Blood character. I hope she'll be a regular too.
 
Jun 18, 2010 2:26 PM

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Touma went all Light Yagami with that laugh. Still a good episode thought.
 
Jul 1, 2010 7:36 PM

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That was a pretty intense battle, aside from the confusingness of his weird reality distortion.
 
Aug 10, 2010 6:46 AM

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THIS ANIME IS AWESOME. that's all. it just is.
 
Aug 15, 2010 8:37 PM
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Wow. So, he is able to control the world around him... with his thoughts? There has got to be something deeper to that, or else he could have taken over the world with a single thought. Maybe it only works inside that building. And he can't create vampires because he thinks that he can't create vampires, so therefore he can't create vampires. And maybe he's just really unimaginative. I mean, with power like that, you could create a secret underground base and pimp it out with whatever you want! Flat-screen TVs, air-hockey tables, baseball stadiums--the sky's the limit! I mean, what self-respecting hotblooded male would get a power like that and not immediately wish up a jetpack? Come on!!!

And the reason they can re-connect his arm with little to no long-term consequences is because they technology significantly more advanced than ours.
 
Sep 12, 2010 12:21 AM

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Only badasses laugh when they get their arms cut off.
 
Sep 27, 2010 8:25 PM

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Poor guy. All he wanted was his loli back...
 
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