Tsukimonogatari Discussion Thread

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Nisio is infamous for killing off his main characters, so I wouldn't be surprised. Shinobu is my favourite in the bunch next to Hitagi.

Hitagi & Araragi's relationship is going strong but Hanamonogatari is set after the events of the series, kind of like an epilogue and nobody is mentioned in there aside from Araragi. Bearing in mind that specific novel was narrated by Kanbaru.

Basically, shit's hitting the fan.

PS: Here's a very condensed summary of events in every novel after nekomonogatari.

From the end of nekomonogatari:

Hanekawa heads out to find Oshino Meme, everyone's in dire need of his help.
Everyone sleeps over at araragi's and shinobu declares 'war' on nadeko saying "your cute look won't fool me."
Araragi is overdue on his homework so bribes shinobu with donuts to take them back in time, but she overshoots and they go back to 10 years earlier before hachikuji is about to die. They save her.

In the future, the world has changed and there are zombies everywhere, shinobu and araragi almost get killed until Hachikuji shows up in a rambo outfit, lobbing grenades and saving their ass. Basically because hachikuji never showed up in the 10 years later, araragi didn't get her advice on finding shinobu and gets killed by white hanekawa at the end of bakemonogatari. In this world Shinobu went beserk because Araragi dies and she turns everything into zombies to end the world. When she sees araragi at the end, the beserk alternate timeline shinobu cries blood. They resolve this and go back to the correct timeline.

Hachikuji leaves her bag at araragi's house.

The next day Araragi tries to find hachikuji to give back her bag. A blackness attacks them and shinobu explains her past life as a vampire ( too much detail to go into, you'll get 1-2 eps on it anyway because it's very important. It's also said here that Araragi isn't her first bound human and it's implied she isn't a virgin)

Long story short, hachikuji has been breaking 'the rules' as she was meant to disappear but hang around with araragi. her time has come and she must disappear - she does, goodbye hachikuji we never see her again.

Next Nadeko finds out that araragi has a girlfriend and that it's senjougahara. she spirals into depression, returns to the shrine and starts hallucinating. She becomes nadeko medusa and declares war on everyone in araragi's entourage.

Araragi fights shinobu for basically two months straight, using vampirism repeatedly.

hitagi has had enough of his risking his life for everyone and takes action into her own hands. She offers a lot of money to kaiiki to help her and araragi out (it's declared here that they may or may not have been previous lovers) and she even offers to sell her body to make the money to help araragi to which kaiiki laughs at and says he'll do it he'll do it.

Nadeko is basically 'the final boss' here and Kaiiki mitigates the situation by discovering what's in her closet- tonnes of mangas she drew herself. she wants to be a mangaka but has confidence issues and the problem is that nobody gives her credit more than for just being a cute girl. Kaiiki resolves this internal problem in her emotions and removes the item that gave her medusa powers. He tells araragi to never see her again or problems will arise, she will forget about him in time. Goodbye Nadeko

Then we find out the ultimate problem so far; araragi has used vampirism so much during the war against nadeko that he's becoming a full fledged vampire, not just a bitten-human-turned. Kagenui says that if shinobu bites him again, they risk turning him into a full vampire and if he becomes one, kagenui will kill him. Shinobu is ready to declare war and says she'll do everything to save his life.

We also find out abut Ougi Oshino who claims to be Oshino Meme's distant relative. Ougi has two genders and not much is said about him/her but Ougi does appear to play a very important role.

There's someone pulling the strings in the war between demons like shinobu and demon hunters like kagenui and kaiiki. Basically, shinobu is doomed to die or face some tragic decision unless Oshino meme returns. Meanwhile, Hanekawa is still out there searching for him.

That's everything summed up very rapidly so far.

Jan 6, 2013 6:16 AM

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That's really a great summary, thank you! Though it made me a little sad that she was determined enough to sell body.

It's a double edged sword since she loved araragi that much but her methods were silly. It simply shows how irrational Araragi has made her in comparison to how she used to be. She has many many more cute moments than she did in the original. There's a scene in Tsukimono where she makes him chocolates and goes "Yay!" Yeah that's right, Hitagi goes Yay.

I also missed out most of the key events from tsukimonogatari mainly involving Ononoki since it's very complicated and would require me to explain in very deep details the previous events.

Jan 7, 2013 3:46 AM

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great summary dude i like it, cant wait for second season i heard in the news that it will be 2-cours i guess they gonna compress everything you summarize on a 22-26 episode series this coming July

Jan 8, 2013 11:11 AM

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great summary dude i like it, cant wait for second season i heard in the news that it will be 2-cours i guess they gonna compress everything you summarize on a 22-26 episode series this coming July

Everything I have that involves Araragi's vampirism restriction is for season 3. The books are split into 3 seasons.

Oh, I also missed out a nice scene where Shinobu reveals her past, very big.

If you guys have any questions I'm happy to answer them.
Once my modules are dealt with I'm planning to completely swarm the bakemonogatari wiki with information, so if there are any volunteers please PM me.

Jan 11, 2013 2:13 PM

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Thank you so much! I have been looking everywhere to find a summary of whats going on so far.

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Jan 11, 2013 4:28 PM

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Thank you so much! I have been looking everywhere to find a summary of whats going on so far.

This is very condensed, I currently don't have the time to look through everything again and make some well versed notes of summary, but if you have any questions feel free to ask.

Jan 21, 2013 10:53 PM

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In what other novels besides Katanagatari does he kill off one of the main characters?

Jan 23, 2013 8:20 AM

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Well in this he kills off...

Those are essentially character kills.

In most of his works he has a habit of twisted endings and killing of characters, main or not. His Zaregoto series goes to show how far he's willing to make characters unconventional in the anime scene, I mean as far as a harem lead goes Araragi is one of a kind and his style of writing and story telling is always quite depressing underneath the comedy surface.

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Tayau said:
Well in this he kills off...

Those are essentially character kills.

In most of his works he has a habit of twisted endings and killing of characters, main or not. His Zaregoto series goes to show how far he's willing to make characters unconventional in the anime scene, I mean as far as a harem lead goes Araragi is one of a kind and his style of writing and story telling is always quite depressing underneath the comedy surface.

Of course it would be two of my favorites.

Apr 26, 2013 6:41 PM

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in Tsukimonogatari, Koyomi has mentioned that his bathroom is not as big as in the anime and there's not too much space for two people in at the same time. It makes me laugh =))

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in Tsukimonogatari, Koyomi has mentioned that his bathroom is not as big as in the anime and there's not too much space for two people in at the same time. It makes me laugh =))

yep, nisio isiin loves to brutalise that 4th wall.

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just read a couple chapter from nekomonogatari : shiro.. I'm a bit confused.. because I dont really read monogatari first season after all.. so I want to ask something.. it's when hanekawa said (as a narator) senjougahara was been rehabilitated? or rehabilitation? (idk I'm forget about it.. -_- sorry..) what is this all about? what is the meaning of rehabilitation of senjougahara? I mean what happen to her?

and then.. I want to ask you about tsukimonogatari because I cant read all of volume from baka-tsuki lol.. btw.. in koimonogatari I want to ask about it too.. because i haven't read it too as you expect.. so.. what is this all about in koimonogatari? what kind of deal that senjougahara and kaiki made? and the end.. I was thinking senjougahara die.. and its not true right?

hehe seriously I really love this manga and anime.. most of all.. and.. hope you answer it soon yeah! :D

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Talking about Senjougahara's rehabilitation I assume (it's been some time) is simply referring to the recovery of her social isolation after Koyomi removed her of her crab spirit and its effects.

Senjougahara in Koimonogatari is asking Kaiiki to find a way to deal with a now corrupted and god-mode Nadeko Medusa. She even says that she is willin to sell her body to pay for it in order to protect Koyomi from Nadeko and Kaiiki feigns disinterest then helps her by removing the infection from nadeko (the charm that made her medusa). Nobody dies but Nadeko is forbidden from talking to Koyomi or going near him and Koyomi is forbidden from going near Nadeko in order to prevent further feelings for him rising up inside Nadeko.

If theres anything else, feel free to ask. For Tsukimonogatari, the basic summary is that things are getting desperate and there is an ultimatum - Koyomi cannot become a vampire or he will be one permanently, thus if he is a permanent vampire then Yozuru will have to kill him but Shinobu has made it clear that she will murder anyone that threatens Koyomi thus putting her on the line too. So:

Either Araragi gives up vampirism and lets Shinobu go,
Shinobu sacrifices herself for Araragi,
Araragi and Shinobu kill all oddity hunters,
X Option? Maybe Oshino Meme? Hanekawa is still looking for him and reports no findings.

Feel free to ask anything else.

May 27, 2013 9:35 AM

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in koimonogatari again.. so what happen to senjougahara after kaiki help her?

then in tsukimonogatari again.. I'm about confused about this one.. why koyomi want to be a vampire? I mean.. after he fighting medusa nadeko. he has one more chance before became permanent vampire right? then thats one more chance? why would he use it? isn't he dont have to use the vampire power anymore isn't he doesn't have any enemy left does he? I really confused about this one..

and then I have some question about monogatari second season trailer because I haven't read the LN so maybe I can know it from you

at the 0:23 I forget what the meaning is but I want to know is that karen or tsukihi voice? is she talking to koyomi? because she said "kami-sama" right? I really curious about this one..

May 27, 2013 11:30 AM

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in koimonogatari again.. so what happen to senjougahara after kaiki help her?

Nothing, she helps Araragi fight Nadeko and then later on Nadeko is taken out by Kaiiki and he convinces her to stop fighting everyone. Senjougahara doesn't even appear that much in the volume despite the front cover having her on it, the majority of Koimonogatari is focused on Kaiiki and is narrated by Kaiiki.

makarov52 said:
then in tsukimonogatari again.. I'm about confused about this one.. why koyomi want to be a vampire? I mean.. after he fighting medusa nadeko. he has one more chance before became permanent vampire right? then thats one more chance? why would he use it? isn't he dont have to use the vampire power anymore isn't he doesn't have any enemy left does he? I really confused about this one..

It's not one more chance, it's IF He uses it ONE MORE TIME, he will become a permanent vampire and become a target for oddity hunters. This is a result of Araragi fighting with Nadeko constantly during her medusa corruption period. He has enemies left, he is not sure about Kagenui and more importantly, the supposed Oshino boy/girl (nobody knows). He has basically used up almost all of his 'free' vampirism powers and is almost permanent as a vampire, but at the same time he is the sole saviour of this town from oddities. Oshino Meme left his legacy to Araragi and Araragi see this as a duty he must follow. Araragi isn't violent like Meme however, and fights by wearing out vampirism's indestructibility rather than using it as a weapon

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and then I have some question about monogatari second season trailer because I haven't read the LN so maybe I can know it from you

Ask away.

makarov52 said:
at the 0:23 I forget what the meaning is but I want to know is that karen or tsukihi voice? is she talking to koyomi? because she said "kami-sama" right? I really curious about this one..

I actually can't seem to quite catch this one, it's definitely talking about Gods, it may just be referring to Nadeko's godhood (she becomes nadeko medusa, literally almost a god/deity) in which case it would be tsukihi as she is friends with Nadeko. These trailers are sometimes hard to understand because of how compressed everything is, but I suspect this is the case. Just speculation for the time being, I'll ask around.

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okay thank you so much bro.. you answer all my question... :D

I will PM you and post in this forum topic if I have another question about monogatari series.. okay :D

thanks again bro..
Until Next Time :D

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where do you read? the LN's in English?

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Jun 3, 2013 5:09 AM

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where do you read? the LN's in English?

Only very few are translated to english, most are untranslated.

Jun 4, 2013 7:22 PM

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where do you read? the LN's in English?

I read it in baka-tsuki.. but its not complete

Jun 7, 2013 12:24 PM

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Seriously, reading this thread after reading everything that is translated on baka-tsuki really makes me want to just learn japanese just to read manga/LNs the second they release T_T

I guess I'll ask a question, just to give you a reason to post more (post count hur hur).

Can I expect a lot more dialogue between Araragi and Hitagi in season 2 of the anime?

I honestly find a lot of the random support character arcs to be boring in comparison to every piece of dialogue between Araragi, Hitagi and Shinobu. Those three characters make the whole story for me and I really hope there will be more focus on it in comparison to Season 1.

Jun 7, 2013 12:49 PM

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Can I expect a lot more dialogue between Araragi and Hitagi in season 2 of the anime?

Not really, it'll remain at more or less the same amount though with a few more cute moments. Hitagi's presence is actually not that relative in comparison to the other characters. You'll see a lot more of Shinobu though, as well as Yotsugi.

FYI There are no such things as supporting characters in this series, they're all very important.

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Seriously, reading this thread after reading everything that is translated on baka-tsuki really makes me want to just learn japanese just to read manga/LNs the second they release T_T

I guess I'll ask a question, just to give you a reason to post more (post count hur hur).

Can I expect a lot more dialogue between Araragi and Hitagi in season 2 of the anime?

I honestly find a lot of the random support character arcs to be boring in comparison to every piece of dialogue between Araragi, Hitagi and Shinobu. Those three characters make the whole story for me and I really hope there will be more focus on it in comparison to Season 1.

Here some excerpt from Koimonogatari, the dialogues between Kaiki and Senjougahara. Chapter 19, page 136-137.

「なんというか説得して、阿良々木くんには千石撫子のことを諦めてもらうしかない．．．．．．そこを諦めないからこそ阿良々木くんだけれど．．．．．．、私の惚れた男なんだけれど」

おやおや、のろけられたものだ。
そんなことを言われると、俺も意地悪を言いたくなる。
「いい方法があるぞ。阿良々木に『私と千石撫子、どっちのほうが大事なのよ』と選択を迫るんだ。お前がそういう鬱陶しい女になれば、あいつはさすがに、千石撫子を諦めるだろうぜ」
「．．．．．．失礼」

俺が軽口に答えず、戦場ヶ原は席を立った。ひょっとして怒って帰るのかと思ったが――もう電車は終わっているだろうから、さすがに一人で帰すわけにはいかないと思ったが――そうではなく彼女は化粧室に行くだけだった。

I have translated the excerpt above to English (in the spoiler), but heck, my English was not that good and I hope you can get the idea.
Sorry that it has to be Senjougahara--Kaiki's dialogues and not Araragi--Senjougahara's though. But this leads to the end of the Monogatari 2nd season actually. Sorry.

--actually I take this from what I have discussed with Tayau earlier. Lol
Be warned for definite spoilers though.

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Korean translation ftw;
1. Koyomi cannot use vampirism. If he becomes vampire, Kagenui Yotsuru will kill him. So, Koyomi/Shinobu pair cannot fight anymore after this volume.
2. Someone tries to "get everything right". (obviously Ougi since she said exact same thing in Onimonogatari)
3. Tadatsuru says this entire incident of him kidnapping Kanbaru and stuff is like a 'set' - like a theater. Most likely controlled by Ougi.
4. Tadatsuru says "Find Oshino Meme, he is the one who can see everything in neutral position out side the theater". He dies after that.
5. Ononoki in Koyomi's house now, joining Araragi Harem

Summary:
Currently, the one who has most possibility retiring from the series is Shinobu - Koyomi normalised = Shinobu leaving. However, knowing all those foreshadowings on Kitashirahebi shrine, we know there is possibility that Shinobu can just stay in the Shirne as a god and end with 'everyone becoming happy' ending. Also, we don't know if Shinobu survived even with Hanamonogatari, since she never appeared in that volume.

Since we cannot believe anything in Koimonogatari properly due to fuckin Kaiki doing the narration, we still don't know if Ougi is from Oshino family or just pretending to be one. However, we know he/she is more likely to become final boss if Gaen won't be one.

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Korean translation ftw;
Since we cannot believe anything in Koimonogatari properly due to fuckin Kaiki doing the narration, we still don't know if Ougi is from Oshino family or just pretending to be one. However, we know he/she is more likely to become final boss if Gaen won't be one.

What are you even talking about?
Koimonogatari is still a valid story even if it was Kaiki who did all the narrating.
I've finished reading the whole book last night, I came to a conclusion that Kaiki is superb, a really well created character despite his "fraud" nature.

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Kitchiri said:
Korean translation ftw;
Since we cannot believe anything in Koimonogatari properly due to fuckin Kaiki doing the narration, we still don't know if Ougi is from Oshino family or just pretending to be one. However, we know he/she is more likely to become final boss if Gaen won't be one.

What are you even talking about?
Koimonogatari is still a valid story even if it was Kaiki who did all the narrating.
I've finished reading the whole book last night, I came to a conclusion that Kaiki is superb, a really well created character despite his "fraud" nature.

The problem is whether or not you can trust Kaiiki's words. Interestingly, the final scene with Kaiiki where he is kidnapped is enough to warrant some trust over his words, it lookes like Gaen wants him gone. More worrying is Gaen's conflict with Yotsugi and her master, it's becoming a battle royale and if Shinobu gets angry we're likely to see Kiss Shot become very very lethal.

Inb4 Oshino Meme returns in his manly manliness of MAN

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What are you even talking about?
Koimonogatari is still a valid story even if it was Kaiki who did all the narrating.
I've finished reading the whole book last night, I came to a conclusion that Kaiki is superb, a really well created character despite his "fraud" nature.

The problem is whether or not you can trust Kaiiki's words. Interestingly, the final scene with Kaiiki where he is kidnapped is enough to warrant some trust over his words, it lookes like Gaen wants him gone. More worrying is Gaen's conflict with Yotsugi and her master, it's becoming a battle royale and if Shinobu gets angry we're likely to see Kiss Shot become very very lethal.

Inb4 Oshino Meme returns in his manly manliness of MAN

This.
I really hope that he makes a very glorified manly comeback with his manliness of MAN.

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Tayau said:

hitagi has had enough of his risking his life for everyone and takes action into her own hands. She offers a lot of money to kaiiki to help her and araragi out (it's declared here that they may or may not have been previous lovers) and she even offers to sell her body to make the money to help araragi to which kaiiki laughs at and says he'll do it he'll do it.

Who? Kaiiki and Hitagi?

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Tayau said:

hitagi has had enough of his risking his life for everyone and takes action into her own hands. She offers a lot of money to kaiiki to help her and araragi out (it's declared here that they may or may not have been previous lovers) and she even offers to sell her body to make the money to help araragi to which kaiiki laughs at and says he'll do it he'll do it.

Who? Kaiiki and Hitagi?

Yes, Kaiiki and Hitagi have had a previous relationship of some sort and it's hinted that it was romantic.

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Can you explain more in detail/spoiler? You say it was only hinted but how? I mean he seems like twice her age, besides he tricked her. Calling them lovers... meh :/ why something so bad had to be mentioned.

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And she declared herself a virgin (even after all that has happened to her) when she met Araragi so I doubt she was Kaiki's lover. I don't remember that anywhere.

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She said she hasn't even kissed anyone before, just calling them lovers seems too big for me. Also when Kaiki and Hitagi met she was 16 at most. Which book it is suggested?

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I just watched Nise and it is explained that it was only a crush, as for Hitagi anyone who wanted to help her was a prince for her. Also in Bake, episode 3 I think she admits that she is a virgin and in episode 12 she says that she never kissed.
Unless something more was told in recent books?

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WOW. thanks.

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And she declared herself a virgin (even after all that has happened to her) when she met Araragi so I doubt she was Kaiki's lover. I don't remember that anywhere.

Kaiki has told to us about Senjougahara's romantic affection towards him while he was in charged as a practitioner to cure Senjougahara's strange illness before. Kaiki used this chance to con her mother and herself.
Read Koimonogatari again and you could find the answer... even though it is a vague story as it was told by Kaiki, the fraud.

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Then we find out the ultimate problem so far; araragi has used vampirism so much during the war against nadeko that he's becoming a full fledged vampire, not just a bitten-human-turned. Kagenui says that if shinobu bites him again, they risk turning him into a full vampire and if he becomes one, kagenui will kill him. Shinobu is ready to declare war and says she'll do everything to save his life.

We also find out abut Ougi Oshino who claims to be Oshino Meme's distant relative. Ougi has two genders and not much is said about him/her but Ougi does appear to play a very important role.

There's someone pulling the strings in the war between demons like shinobu and demon hunters like kagenui and kaiiki. Basically, shinobu is doomed to die or face some tragic decision unless Oshino meme returns. Meanwhile, Hanekawa is still out there searching for him.

That's everything summed up very rapidly so far.[/quote said:

Tayau- thank you so much for the summary first of all. I only follow the anime because the light novel is too incomplete and I don't know japanese. Kabuki has just been announced to be animated and I honestly can't wait to see Shinobu crying over Koyomi cause she loves him. Does anybody know when that's coming out? And I know a lot of people want Hitagi to be with Koyomi but.. something about Shinobu just makes her... cooler.. XD Do you have a prediction for the ending of Monogatari? And also please keep giving us summaries!!! Thank you so much

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Kabuki has just been announced to be animated and I honestly can't wait to see Shinobu crying over Koyomi cause she loves him. Does anybody know when that's coming out? And I know a lot of people want Hitagi to be with Koyomi but.. something about Shinobu just makes her... cooler.. XD Do you have a prediction for the ending of Monogatari? And also please keep giving us summaries!!! Thank you so much

Shinobu doesn't exactly loves Araragi in a way of "love" itself. She's bound to Araragi and she's just being so attached and fond to him as a master-servant relationship.

Oh yeah, the Second Season of Monogatari Series is being aired right now (every Saturday 24:00 JST), spanning over Nekomonogatari Shiro, Kabukimonogatari, Hanamonogatari, Otorimonogatari, Onimonogatari and Koimonogatari.

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yukaru00 said:

...Oh yeah, the Second Season of Monogatari Series is being aired right now (every Saturday 24:00 JST), spanning over Nekomonogatari Shiro, Kabukimonogatari, Hanamonogatari, Otorimonogatari, Onimonogatari and Koimonogatari.

I guess we'll know for sure in a few weeks but they have said that Hanamonogatari is going to be released afterward as an OVA/OAD series like Neko Kuro was. Probably a similar timeframe as Second Series will run through the fall so perhaps another New Year's Eve 4-episode blast?

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yukaru00 said:

...Oh yeah, the Second Season of Monogatari Series is being aired right now (every Saturday 24:00 JST), spanning over Nekomonogatari Shiro, Kabukimonogatari, Hanamonogatari, Otorimonogatari, Onimonogatari and Koimonogatari.

I guess we'll know for sure in a few weeks but they have said that Hanamonogatari is going to be released afterward as an OVA/OAD series like Neko Kuro was. Probably a similar timeframe as Second Series will run through the fall so perhaps another New Year's Eve 4-episode blast?

Yeah. Hanamonogatari will not probably be inline with the rest because of its advanced time gap.

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yukaru00 said:

hpulley said:

yukaru00 said:

...Oh yeah, the Second Season of Monogatari Series is being aired right now (every Saturday 24:00 JST), spanning over Nekomonogatari Shiro, Kabukimonogatari, Hanamonogatari, Otorimonogatari, Onimonogatari and Koimonogatari.

I guess we'll know for sure in a few weeks but they have said that Hanamonogatari is going to be released afterward as an OVA/OAD series like Neko Kuro was. Probably a similar timeframe as Second Series will run through the fall so perhaps another New Year's Eve 4-episode blast?

Yeah. Hanamonogatari will not probably be inline with the rest because of its advanced time gap.

Yes though the overall broadcast/publishing order is a bit of a mess.

Real question is will we get Kizumonogatari animated first? Or last? Or ever? LOL

Aug 25, 2013 8:12 AM

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hpulley said:

yukaru00 said:

hpulley said:

yukaru00 said:

...Oh yeah, the Second Season of Monogatari Series is being aired right now (every Saturday 24:00 JST), spanning over Nekomonogatari Shiro, Kabukimonogatari, Hanamonogatari, Otorimonogatari, Onimonogatari and Koimonogatari.

I guess we'll know for sure in a few weeks but they have said that Hanamonogatari is going to be released afterward as an OVA/OAD series like Neko Kuro was. Probably a similar timeframe as Second Series will run through the fall so perhaps another New Year's Eve 4-episode blast?

Yeah. Hanamonogatari will not probably be inline with the rest because of its advanced time gap.

Yes though the overall broadcast/publishing order is a bit of a mess.

Real question is will we get Kizumonogatari animated first? Or last? Or ever? LOL

That is still a question to every fan of monogatari series. SHAFT didn't announce further information regarding the said film.

As for the plot-ordering case, well, it is better SHAFT follows the book settings, I have a thought that it will turn a complete mess if they are to sort the plot according to the series chronological order.

Aug 25, 2013 8:47 AM

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Shinobu doesn't exactly loves Araragi in a way of "love" itself. She's bound to Araragi and she's just being so attached and fond to him as a master-servant relationship.

Oh yeah, the Second Season of Monogatari Series is being aired right now (every Saturday 24:00 JST), spanning over Nekomonogatari Shiro, Kabukimonogatari, Hanamonogatari, Otorimonogatari, Onimonogatari and Koimonogatari.

Dang it! I thought in kabuki Shinobu destroyed the world cause she felt there was nothing to live for after Koyomi's death? And regarding the light novel, as it already ended, just not translated? I seriously want to know if Shinobu fights to the death for Koyomi, or something like that with Hitagi XD

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Araragi fights shinobu for basically two months straight, using vampirism repeatedly.[/quote said:

Why did they fight?

Aug 25, 2013 3:02 PM

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Soulbond said:

Dang it! I thought in kabuki Shinobu destroyed the world cause she felt there was nothing to live for after Koyomi's death? And regarding the light novel, as it already ended, just not translated? I seriously want to know if Shinobu fights to the death for Koyomi, or something like that with Hitagi XD

Spoilers.
Well, in Kabuki, they went for time-space travel to 11 years back, in parallel dimension by mistake. Araragi got the idea to save Hachikuji from being hit by a car and they succeed the plan. Then, as they went back to present time (whilst not knowing that they are actually in a parallel world) they ended up reaching the present time of the parallel world, where the world is mostly destroyed (to be exact, Japan), and zombies are swarming all over the place.

More spoilers for Kabuki.
The zombie apocalypse is actually caused by Araragi himself, as the effect of him changing the world's little history. With Hachikuji saved, the world's Araragi will not meet with ghost Hachikuji and that leads to Araragi being killed by Black Hanekawa , in which the event in Bakemonogatari episode 14-15 were totally screwed up leading to an alternate event. With Araragi's death, Shinobu (the alternate world's version, not the one you know) going rage and turned Black Hanekawa into Blood Hanekawa (Black Hanekawa after being turned into a vampire), grieving the lost of her master Araragi Koyomi. She then uses Blood Hanekawa to turn people into zombies in pledge to destroy the world itself.
Later in some last scenes before Araragi and Shinobu known to us, are preparing their way back to their true reality after being led by Oshino Meme's letter by the help of grown up Hachikuji Mayoi, they meet with Kissshot by chance. Seeing Araragi of her alternate world is still alive, she cried blood, happy to see him. After some small talk, Araragi and Shinobu finally reached their true reality, and Araragi once again reunited with the apparition Hachikuji--which is then continued on to Onimonogatari.

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Aug 25, 2013 3:28 PM

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Soulbond said:

Araragi fights shinobu for basically two months straight, using vampirism repeatedly.[/quote said:

Why did they fight?

I think Tayau's intention was to write:
Araragi fights Nadeko Medusa for basically two months straight, using vampirism repeatedly. Shinobu helps with that.

Aug 25, 2013 9:19 PM

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yukaru00 said:

Soulbond said:

Dang it! I thought in kabuki Shinobu destroyed the world cause she felt there was nothing to live for after Koyomi's death? And regarding the light novel, as it already ended, just not translated? I seriously want to know if Shinobu fights to the death for Koyomi, or something like that with Hitagi XD

Spoilers.
Well, in Kabuki, they went for time-space travel to 11 years back, in parallel dimension by mistake. Araragi got the idea to save Hachikuji from being hit by a car and they succeed the plan. Then, as they went back to present time (whilst not knowing that they are actually in a parallel world) they ended up reaching the present time of the parallel world, where the world is mostly destroyed (to be exact, Japan), and zombies are swarming all over the place.

More spoilers for Kabuki.
The zombie apocalypse is actually caused by Araragi himself, as the effect of him changing the world's little history. With Hachikuji saved, the world's Araragi will not meet with ghost Hachikuji and that leads to Araragi being killed by Black Hanekawa , in which the event in Bakemonogatari episode 14-15 were totally screwed up leading to an alternate event. With Araragi's death, Shinobu (the alternate world's version, not the one you know) going rage and turned Black Hanekawa into Blood Hanekawa (Black Hanekawa after being turned into a vampire), grieving the lost of her master Araragi Koyomi. She then uses Blood Hanekawa to turn people into zombies in pledge to destroy the world itself.
Later in some last scenes before Araragi and Shinobu known to us, are preparing their way back to their true reality after being led by Oshino Meme's letter by the help of grown up Hachikuji Mayoi, they meet with Kissshot by chance. Seeing Araragi of her alternate world is still alive, she cried blood, happy to see him. After some small talk, Araragi and Shinobu finally reached their true reality, and Araragi once again reunited with the apparition Hachikuji--which is then continued on to Onimonogatari.

Did you read this all on your own from the original Japense LN or did you find a translated version? Baka tsuki only has the first 15 chapters translated >.<.

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ALLCAPITALSRAGE said:

Did you read this all on your own from the original Japense LN or did you find a translated version? Baka tsuki only has the first 15 chapters translated >.<.

I read the Japanese book.

Aug 25, 2013 10:13 PM

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yukaru00 said:

ALLCAPITALSRAGE said:

Did you read this all on your own from the original Japense LN or did you find a translated version? Baka tsuki only has the first 15 chapters translated >.<.

I read the Japanese book.

Ah I see. Could you enlighten me on the dialogue between Kissshot and Araragi?

Aug 26, 2013 2:42 AM

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