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Jan 4, 2013 12:55 PM

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I live partially in japan as I am partially japanese. What you're talking about is some filtered information that people write and show in media because who wants to read how normal and boring japan is. Don't overanalyze it. It's not some other planet or something.

The japanese were quite stiff, and boring in public before the counterculture revolution in the 60s.
Japanese media is based on using exaggerated character traits, weird face expressions, seen in all those prank shows and everything quite colorful or over the top because that's what they didn't have in daily life. But that not just japan.
The mangaka started to create all these crazy things because manga was like their medium to express all that they wanted to show. Kinda like Hanekawa's stress problem, haha.
Not these days anymore though. Youth changed, all rebellious, everythings normal. It's not some other planet and it's not like they don't have any connections to other culture that influences them, not saying it's what japan does or needs to do.

Fanservice basically doesn't exist in this anime since it's only adapting Nisio comedy elements (Show me fanservice in a light novel).
It's comedy or ero. Fanservice, doesn't exist as an element at all actually. You can only call stuff fanservice that was basically a service for the fans and had no comedy, plot value or simply doesn't fit into the genre of the manga/novel/anime/movie/whatever.

And why are you calling Hanekawa's mother a slut? A woman is a slut when she has "fun" in her days but all these dudes humping around is okay?
If you didn't watch episode 4 yet then you should because they explain why the father hits Hanekawa. Nothing to do with drinking or anything like that.
The whole show is already out you know. Even the subs, check UTW-Mazui.

Those flashes are not meant to be read even though they sometimes provide information or show a thought of Araragi.

http://akirascuro.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/exploring-typography-in-nisemonogatari/
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Jan 4, 2013 3:21 PM

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Yumekichi11 said:


I live partially in japan as I am partially Japanese. What you're talking about is some filtered information that people write and show in media because who wants to read how normal and boring japan is. Don't over-analyze it. It's not some other planet or something.
Well the fact is that it is. The stress level there is more than other parts of the world and dysfunctionality is bound to incur. I am saying this is just one cultural aspect of them. Regardless I still read it from a PRO view of society there. Might be from one spot but it's all I need to generalize that family dysfunctions occur. This series is rather good at showing it in Hanekawa's point of view and in general across the world.
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The Japanese were quite stiff, and boring in public before the counterculture revolution in the 60s.
Japanese media is based on using exaggerated character traits, weird face expressions, seen in all those prank shows and everything quite colourful or over the top because that's what they didn't have in daily life.
I know that. Obviously to quit the boredom and perhaps prevent the high suicidal rate still lingering since the 50s this series also shows that well through visuals. The creator obvious wants multi social messages out there.
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But that not just japan.
The mangaka started to create all these crazy things because manga was like their medium to express all that they wanted to show. Kinda like Hanekawa's stress problem, haha.
That I know, it's in fact a rather medium cause of the USA influence and control over them. In fact I know too much about it.
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Not these days anymore though. Youth changed, all rebellious, everything normal. It's not some other planet and it's not like they don't have any connections to other culture that influences them, not saying it's what japan does or needs to do.
I am saying before any of that USA is pretty much on control of that. Else they would not stay around.
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Fan service basically doesn't exist in this anime since it's only adapting Nisio comedy elements (Show me fan service in a light novel).
It's comedy or ero. Fan service, doesn't exist as an element at all actually. You can only call stuff fan service that was basically a service for the fans and had no comedy, plot value or simply doesn't fit into the genre of the manga/novel/anime/movie/whatever.
Fan service can be ero too. I know of the stupid love comedy and it's implication but I am saying it was plain stupid and tried to be comedic while IRL to me it would be more servicing out the girls. That’s how I see it.
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And why are you calling Hanekawa's mother a slut? A woman is a slut when she has "fun" in her days but all these dudes humping around is okay?
If you didn't watch episode 4 yet then you should because they explain why the father hits Hanekawa. Nothing to do with drinking or anything like that.
The whole show is already out you know. Even the subs, check UTW-Mazui.
Compared to you I do graphics and it takes me up to 4 times more time to see. However unlike most lazy asses I take my time to provide as much as I can of visuals captured.

Hanekawa's mother is a slut because she ought to stay with one guy she loves instead of opening her privates to many. Her privates must devoted to the one that made her kid and his also. Ideally it does not work all the time like that.
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Those flashes are not meant to be read even though they sometimes provide information or show a thought of Araragi.

http://akirascuro.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/exploring-typography-in-nisemonogatari/
I know that but the information providing is what worries me in missing them out.

Quite the intellectual you seem to be, try not to derail too much the thread over this. It's not allowed and can land in trouble with the Forum Mods. Keep it in mind.

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Jan 4, 2013 3:39 PM

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mugimugi said:
Yumekichi11 said:


I live partially in japan as I am partially japanese. What you're talking about is some filtered information that people write and show in media because who wants to read how normal and boring japan is. Don't overanalyze it. It's not some other planet or something.

The japanese were quite stiff, and boring in public before the counterculture revolution in the 60s.
Japanese media is based on using exaggerated character traits, weird face expressions, seen in all those prank shows and everything quite colorful or over the top because that's what they didn't have in daily life. But that not just japan.
The mangaka started to create all these crazy things because manga was like their medium to express all that they wanted to show. Kinda like Hanekawa's stress problem, haha.
Not these days anymore though. Youth changed, all rebellious, everythings normal. It's not some other planet and it's not like they don't have any connections to other culture that influences them, not saying it's what japan does or needs to do.

Fanservice basically doesn't exist in this anime since it's only adapting Nisio comedy elements (Show me fanservice in a light novel).
It's comedy or ero. Fanservice, doesn't exist as an element at all actually. You can only call stuff fanservice that was basically a service for the fans and had no comedy, plot value or simply doesn't fit into the genre of the manga/novel/anime/movie/whatever.

And why are you calling Hanekawa's mother a slut? A woman is a slut when she has "fun" in her days but all these dudes humping around is okay?
If you didn't watch episode 4 yet then you should because they explain why the father hits Hanekawa. Nothing to do with drinking or anything like that.
The whole show is already out you know. Even the subs, check UTW-Mazui.

Those flashes are not meant to be read even though they sometimes provide information or show a thought of Araragi.

http://akirascuro.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/exploring-typography-in-nisemonogatari/
He also made a mistake about her current father.Her first father that married her biological mother died.The woman he married before dying remarried some other guy and that guy hit her.

But Hanekawa did say that these werent her first mother and father.

Also, I agree that calling her mother a slut because she had fun is stupid(for lack of a better word).

And how in the hell is HE derailing the thread?
 
Jan 5, 2013 8:11 AM

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mugimugi said:
Yumekichi11 said:


I live partially in japan as I am partially japanese. What you're talking about is some filtered information that people write and show in media because who wants to read how normal and boring japan is. Don't overanalyze it. It's not some other planet or something.

The japanese were quite stiff, and boring in public before the counterculture revolution in the 60s.
Japanese media is based on using exaggerated character traits, weird face expressions, seen in all those prank shows and everything quite colorful or over the top because that's what they didn't have in daily life. But that not just japan.
The mangaka started to create all these crazy things because manga was like their medium to express all that they wanted to show. Kinda like Hanekawa's stress problem, haha.
Not these days anymore though. Youth changed, all rebellious, everythings normal. It's not some other planet and it's not like they don't have any connections to other culture that influences them, not saying it's what japan does or needs to do.
Isn't that the case with all forms of media and not just in Japan.
i mean if you look at American or European comics you will also see a world that's different from reality you will also see facial expressions that you won't encounter in reality.
However what you do often see is the culture they came from even if it's over the top and in some cases even stereotype but as you say it won't be appealing other wise.
 
Jan 5, 2013 6:26 PM

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"Golden"

Hmm, so there was a whole lot more to the conversation that Koyomi and Tsubasa had (or will have) in Tsubasa Cat. He healed her wound using his blood. The lead up to it made me laugh though. It was far funnier than the condensed flashback in Bakemonogatari.

Still, I'm a bit surprised this came out before Kizumonogatari, given that Kizu was announced much earlier than Neko: Kuro was.
 
Jan 7, 2013 1:51 AM

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I like Tsukihi with long hair. It was interesting to see a longer version of the dialogue with Tsubasa in the current art style.
 
Jan 9, 2013 1:40 PM

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Oppai~
 
Jan 12, 2013 6:35 AM

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Holy shit grabbing Tsukihi's breast like a boss and not giving a damn about Karen taking her top clothes off. Surely Koyomi is badass.

Love the fanservice here. ;D


 
Feb 12, 2013 9:52 AM

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Wow! The animators are amazing! :OO I wish I could just like.. go into the anime and play around with the props forever~ and his sisters >:3

Uhh.. quick question.. Is this where the series starts or did I miss one?
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sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye
romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds
 
Feb 14, 2013 10:44 AM

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Ghostony said:
Wow! The animators are amazing! :OO I wish I could just like.. go into the anime and play around with the props forever~ and his sisters >:3

Uhh.. quick question.. Is this where the series starts or did I miss one?


You can say it is first poart of the Monogatari series at least chronologicaly. Also events of Kizumonogatari that is supposed to be released any moment now takes action before the events in Nekomonogatari Kuro

I recomend watching this in order of releases though. Some characters get a better iintroduction this way.

So recomnded order / relses order

Bakemonogatari => Nisemonogatari = > Nekomonogatari Kuro => ?? Kizumonogatari ?? => Monogatari 2nd season

Chronology

Kizumonogatari => Nekomonogatari Kuro => Bakemonogatari => Nisemonogatari => monogatari 2nd season

Bakemonogatari is still the best part of it, but all 3 are amazing.
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^thankks :D But since I already started watching Neko.. guess I'l finish it and then go by your way lol :p
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Angmir said:
Ghostony said:
Wow! The animators are amazing! :OO I wish I could just like.. go into the anime and play around with the props forever~ and his sisters >:3

Uhh.. quick question.. Is this where the series starts or did I miss one?


You can say it is first poart of the Monogatari series at least chronologicaly. Also events of Kizumonogatari that is supposed to be released any moment now takes action before the events in Nekomonogatari Kuro

I recomend watching this in order of releases though. Some characters get a better iintroduction this way.

So recomnded order / relses order

Bakemonogatari => Nisemonogatari = > Nekomonogatari Kuro => ?? Kizumonogatari ?? => Monogatari 2nd season

Chronology

Kizumonogatari => Nekomonogatari Kuro => Bakemonogatari => Nisemonogatari => monogatari 2nd season

Bakemonogatari is still the best part of it, but all 3 are amazing.


You forgot the back half of Nekomonogatari, Shiro!

It's kind of crazy the order they are animating this franchise but hey, it works. Even within the same episode they blast around in chaotic fashion so just hold onto your hat and enjoy the ride, it will all get explained some day...

I think it worked better to watch the Tsubasa Cat arc of Bakemonogatari before you watch Nekomonogatari Kuro even though they are in reverse chronological order. I got the boxed set of Bakemonogatari recently so I could watch Tsubasa Cat right before I watched Neko.
 
May 7, 2013 4:32 PM

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Wonderful episode.

This really reminded me of Bakemonogatari.

Nisemono was pretty entertaining in it's own right, but it felt different.
 
May 21, 2013 5:32 PM

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Interesting.
Dat imouto ..
 
Jun 7, 2013 3:03 AM

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Have watch it long ago btw -_-

its so funny when tsukihi talking about libido and love I never think she will say that.. btw nice "catch" koyomi when tsukihi almost fall of course
btw tsukihi in long hair.. its kind of weird.. she more pretty in short hair btw..

yey yeah! btw we see karen in sweat again.. and most all of it... in topless.. yey yeah! I happy to be live !
 
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makarov52 said:
Have watch it long ago btw -_-

its so funny when tsukihi talking about libido and love I never think she will say that.. btw nice "catch" koyomi when tsukihi almost fall of course
btw tsukihi in long hair.. its kind of weird.. she more pretty in short hair btw..

yey yeah! btw we see karen in sweat again.. and most all of it... in topless.. yey yeah! I happy to be live !
If only that faucet hadn't been in the way, LOL!

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Jul 8, 2013 6:53 PM

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Hanekawa's parents sound like horrible horrible people. -_-
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Jul 12, 2013 8:39 PM

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Nice start.
5/5
 
Jul 13, 2013 9:29 AM

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better than Bakemonogatari.
 
Jul 18, 2013 3:43 PM

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Araragi made a pantsu shot :P
 
Sep 27, 2013 8:34 AM

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Agreed. A very good start. I don't usually like the idea of having prequels but so far this might change my mind.
 
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Agreed. A very good start. I don't usually like the idea of having prequels but so far this might change my mind.
Wait until Kizumonogatari!!!
 
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Hanekawa would be best girl in any other harem...
 
Nov 20, 2013 4:22 AM

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5/5

Back headaches weblog Monogatari, try to follow so many dialogues and articulated at the same time keep their eyes fixed Sulo screen to watch the action too, becomes challenging. Start very sweet thanks to the narrative that clears the past, with a nice summary of what has happened before Neko, I was afraid of having to review all the backlog! ^ ^ "
The plot made ​​for most of the dialogue, I like it! But there are the inevitable and pleasant interludes of Araragi, however I hope that always returns the action that has made Bake, in my opinion, the best arc of the saga! : D
 
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Great, as expected of the Monogatari series. Had me cracking up all the way through. Nice to get some Hanekawa backstory too, as it is alluded to so much in Bake and Nisemonogatari. I swear that Koyomi gets more and more perverted with every episode ;) And that Karen fanservice... that was some of the most blatantly explicit this series has done, although it was played off like a normal family thing with Koyomi having no reaction. Unlike that toothbrushing scene.

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It's because this anime is dialogue-heavy that it need those quirky visuals, or do you want scenes with only character's face and their moving lip instead ? I believe Shinbo's style is much needed for this show.


Exactly. Monogatari has great story, dialogue, characters, etc, but it's the visuals that keep one from getting bored with a show that consists of almost nothing but conversation. I love this style and would never wish the Monogatari series to be without it.
 
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The f*ck Araragi? Lick a wound? Seriously?
 
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Holy shit grabbing Tsukihi's breast like a boss and not giving a damn about Karen taking her top clothes off. Surely Koyomi is badass.

Love the fanservice here. ;D

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Jul 17, 2014 5:32 AM

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Lmao, golden.
I have some deja vu though, with that Hanekawa and Araragi scene.
 
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Can't believe there are seriously people complaining about how the story is told. People will literally find whatever they can to bash on a series, no matter how small it is, rather than to look for things they enjoyed. Like other people mentioned, the random visuals helps the flow of the story smoother and is what makes it unique from other similar series. Again, like others have said, if it weren't for that, the Monogatari series would be no where near as enjoyable, but rather, just another "boring" typical generic anime. I believe that SHAFT did incredible just with that criticizing them for how they portrayed this series is just silly, I know for a fact that I would not enjoy this series anywhere near as much if it weren't for the way it is right now.

Back to the episode, glad that you can still feel the same level of enjoyment as Bake and Nise, can't wait to see the rest.
 
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Wasn't sure whether to watch this or Bakemonogatari first so I watched this second.

After only hearing his sisters in the outro of bakemonogatari it was a nice/funny change to see them so much in this first episode. ^_^
 
Sep 20, 2014 10:38 PM

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god damn araragi, lost your chance
 
Feb 26, 2015 12:13 AM

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me gusta

full of randomness as usual

but damn id grab 'em boobs too
 
Jul 25, 2015 11:41 PM
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Pretty fucking boring.

1/5
 
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I liked both new OP and ED! And his sisters are still brilliant whenever they show themselves.

Karen-chan and her sweat, I lol'd :D And they even animated her boob physics afterwards :)) Tsukihi's boob grab, H-chan boob fascination... this episode really was all about boobs, right? :D

Those poses Hanekawa did during their conversation... she really had some sexy silhouette sometime. And I was trolled in thinking him as pervert when he asked for wound licking, yet it was something as simple as saliva's blood's healing potential of vampires (but yeah, he's pervert still :D) But he do loves her even when his sister tells him otherwise, right? :)

Those family problems are tough. It seems Hanekawa's background will be very dark indeed. Pretty good start for this miniarc.
 
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Buying naughty books sooothes the soul. EP 1.

Plot: After a lengthy discussion on love and oppai with Tsukihi, Koyomi realizes he lusts after Hanekawa and that makes him frustrated. Been there done that. On his quest for the sacred texts, he meets Hanekawa and notices that there was moment of abuse at her home. Man did that disappoint and make my naughty thoughts disappear.

Character: This is a prequel to the Bakemonogatari so Koyomi is more hyper/perverted? than he is later. He's still a riot though when it comes to comebacks and he might actually have a weird way of tact considering he switched from a topic Hanekawa didn't want to speak of to wanting to lick her wounds...man that was like WTF?

PS: Oh Vampire blood and saliva heals things...still a WTF moment.

Hanekawa is a headache. I can understand not wanting to cause trouble/make a scene as part of the Japanese upbringing but my conscious can't let this kinda thing be.

Tsukihi and Karen wonderfully display their characters when asked about love.

Animation/sound: Melancholy is the best way to describe the OP. We know how its gonna end but it still resolves around a bad time for Hanekawa. The ED is a nice little thing but the tune still carries that bit of a sad feeling.

4/5. Nice intro and it still follows the Bakemonogatari formula. Have the person from the previous season start it off. But this only works if you watch Nekomonogatari Black after Nisemonogatari like me.

ANd love those black pantsu on Hanekawa. ANd Yum Yum Karen-chan and Tsukihi-chan.


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BUT A TOUCH PANEL IS COMPLETELY FLAT!!! XDDD
Great episode, it's good to see fire sisters as main characters again and my beloved Tsukihi is so yummy in her yukata om-nom-nom.
They've just pointed out one of main points of wincest here and I liked how she presented her boobs to him, I guess she just wanted to test him but not that she said but what he thinks about incest, to find out her chances to seduce him ;) He succeeded XD
Also she reveals that her bf is like him if he exists in the first place




who the hell needs dirty mag having Tsukihi as his fake little sister?!
 
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Panties and boobs
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wrong explanation

 
Jan 1, 2016 5:43 AM

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Another season of monogatari series, finally.
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Jan 1, 2016 9:15 AM

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This was one hell of a weird conversation between a brother and sister and I was shocked to see his other sister taking off her top in front of Araragi
 
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Rewatched the OP for this just now, and for some reason it felt very "Bond Opening Credits" like
 
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A good start, with good dialogues and a little more ...

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Wait, this happens before Bakemonogatari, where did Karen hide these babies in the first two season? O_O Anyway that's Karen for you, gets the least screentime, still the best girl <3
 
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Great episode and a nice start!
 
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You know, there are times I wish Araragi and Hanekawa were actually together...they have this clear sexual tension every time they speak.
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seems alright
i also like hanekawa
 
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Ohhh the days of Araragi being so in love with Hanekawa, though I know he's still in love with her. Referencing to what Araragi said to Mayoi in Nisemonogatari.

Of course, there'll always be a scene of Araragi being a hentai and molesting one of his little sisters. Haha. And of course a Karen fanservice. Goddamnit. I was watching this episode in public. I feel judging eyes surrounding me rn. Lmfao.

Good episode and Araragi celebrating when Hanekawa said he can do one thing to her. Hahaha. You ecchi, Araragi.
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To think Araragi felt this strongly for Hanekawa, and then what, like two weeks later, he was dating and seemingly in love with a completely different girl. I guess the show describes it as Araragi lusts for Hanekawa, but feels actual love for Senjougahara? Hmmmm
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Araragi lusts after every female that looks pretty and is within arms' reach. He's a total horndog who even lusts after his own 'fire sisters'. Shameless pervert is Araragi!
 
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