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Dec 20, 2012 11:12 PM

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JReitan said:
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But honestly, Akane could've just shot the knife out of his hands.

With a shotgun at long distance range, whilst the knife hovers over the victim's soft neck.



And while he was holding it up like a balloon.
Also being it a fucking long distance shotgun.
And the meme made your point worse.
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Dec 20, 2012 11:23 PM

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Good episode but seriously she should just have dropped the Dominator, steadied her aim and blown his head off. Oh well, wouldn't have been that much suffering if that would have happened, would it?
YES IT WOULD! One of those shards reaches her friend's head and it could be thee end of her. Remember each shell of the rifle has tiny rounded balls flying at least at 1400FPS (Feet Per Second) with that speed one of them is enough to kill her friend depending on the entry point. WTF wants to risk that even.

Based on her position and that of the enemy, it would be impossible without Yuki taking some of them small balls with her body.

Too much of a risk and Sybil might make her crime coefficient worse.

It was way too much of a risk to take. The guy was too close to Yuki. Now if she would push him somehow instead of fearing him then maybe. Sadly never happens. Yuki is pinned down and scarred to death whom comes to her anyway.


I realize it was a shotgun so it's not exactly the best weapon for the situation, but I'm fairly certain that this was as good as the worst outcome possible.
Actually it's not a shotgun cause it has no pump. It's a double barrel rifle. Unlike a shotgun you need to recharge and cannot pump to do so and insert the same way the shells as quick as a shotgun. So it's actually not the best at all but what's good about it is that a dual shot could be possible.

So, if those 2 shots would reach the bad guy then yes it would guarantee better a kill than a shotgun's shot cause the more frags from a shot the higher the chances one of them will kill him in the weak points of the body.

That being said, a handgun would be better off IMO.

Actually that was a shotgun. The characters said so and it obviously fires shotgun rounds. Shotguns do not have to be pumped. The breech load shotgun that was in this episode is one example. There are also auto and semi automatic shotguns that have magazines and only require a trigger pull.

I really like this episode, and my heart rate couldn't stop increasing as soon as he handcuffed Yuki to the bridge. After all he's the main antagonist and obviously Akane can't kill him.

Also despite what videogames and movies tell you, shotguns are quite accurate. They can have just a 2 inch spread after 100 yards, despite games telling you that they will have a 5ft spread after 10 yards.
Nice info on the shotguns. I though by definition it was their mechanism but now it's the type of ammo they carry? Well not sure due to my lack of interest in them.

I can say though that Kougami from them got 5 wounds at least and only small marbles if it was more than what reached him, might have been a problem. I think it's only 5 small balls that go him in five parts.

Well thanks for the info, it's interesting to talk about weapons in general.

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Dec 20, 2012 11:33 PM

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MysticArte said:
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Good episode but seriously she should just have dropped the Dominator, steadied her aim and blown his head off. Oh well, wouldn't have been that much suffering if that would have happened, would it?
YES IT WOULD! One of those shards reaches her friend's head and it could be thee end of her. Remember each shell of the rifle has tiny rounded balls flying at least at 1400FPS (Feet Per Second) with that speed one of them is enough to kill her friend depending on the entry point. WTF wants to risk that even.

Based on her position and that of the enemy, it would be impossible without Yuki taking some of them small balls with her body.

Too much of a risk and Sybil might make her crime coefficient worse.

It was way too much of a risk to take. The guy was too close to Yuki. Now if she would push him somehow instead of fearing him then maybe. Sadly never happens. Yuki is pinned down and scarred to death whom comes to her anyway.


I realize it was a shotgun so it's not exactly the best weapon for the situation, but I'm fairly certain that this was as good as the worst outcome possible.
Actually it's not a shotgun cause it has no pump. It's a double barrel rifle. Unlike a shotgun you need to recharge and cannot pump to do so and insert the same way the shells as quick as a shotgun. So it's actually not the best at all but what's good about it is that a dual shot could be possible.

So, if those 2 shots would reach the bad guy then yes it would guarantee better a kill than a shotgun's shot cause the more frags from a shot the higher the chances one of them will kill him in the weak points of the body.

That being said, a handgun would be better off IMO.

Actually that was a shotgun. The characters said so and it obviously fires shotgun rounds. Shotguns do not have to be pumped. The breech load shotgun that was in this episode is one example. There are also auto and semi automatic shotguns that have magazines and only require a trigger pull.

I really like this episode, and my heart rate couldn't stop increasing as soon as he handcuffed Yuki to the bridge. After all he's the main antagonist and obviously Akane can't kill him.

Also despite what videogames and movies tell you, shotguns are quite accurate. They can have just a 2 inch spread after 100 yards, despite games telling you that they will have a 5ft spread after 10 yards.


^ This.

MysticArte beat me to the punch on an explanation of how guns work. As he/she stated, it IS a shotgun and not all shotguns are pump-action. I own a double-barrel .410 that operates the same way the gun in this one works. It's two-rounds and you flip a switch to open the barrel to load two more rounds. There is no "pump-action". The rounds are fired two at a time with each pull of the trigger.

Also, as MysticArte stated, shotguns don't just throw around buckshot in a general area. They can be quite accurate, even at long distances. There are a lot of people that hunt deer with shotguns and while, yes, the range is limited, you can get a clean kill with a shotgun at 100 yards and sometimes even further. The approximate range Akane was from Makishima if I had to make a guess was probably somewhere between 20-30 yards. That's PLENTY lethal for a shotgun, especially as powerful as the one they are using.

With that being said, it's still a whole new ballgame when you pull a lethal weapon that will kill anyone and anything when aiming. It's not like the Dominator where it'll kill or stun depending on what's being targeted. These guns are lethal no matter who you hit. You also need to keep in mind that guns aren't something you just point and shoot. There are a lot of factors that go into successfully shooting and hitting your targets. Posture, breath, strength, and patience are all important factors. I'm a hunter who's been at it for about 15 years. Even in all my years of hunting, there are times where I don't hit what I'm aiming for because I rushed a shot or perhaps waited too long. There have been times where I had a target scoped up for so long that I ended up missing because I was losing my stability for aiming so long. Especially when it comes to powerful shotguns like this one, they have a lot of kick so stability is important when aiming. Akane is inexperienced and she tried shooting Makishima with one arm. That's really ill-advised using a shotgun because it's hard enough to hold with one arm, let alone, aim and shoot. You'll almost never hit the target if you shoot like that and if you do, luck was on your side.
 
Dec 20, 2012 11:36 PM

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Makishima is now without a doubt one of the best antagonists i've ever seen



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Dec 20, 2012 11:39 PM

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Episode was so good. I like where this is going.
 
Dec 20, 2012 11:45 PM

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Such an annoying character.. she tops of Inoue Orihime from Bleach x10.

She rather choose to not shoot and have her friend died?

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Dec 20, 2012 11:48 PM

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Holy shit, that scene with Makishima and Akane was so fucking intense. My god, was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Dammit, Yuki dying right in front of Akane. Dominators wouldn't respond to Makishima and his crime coefficient kept dropping instead of rising like what the hax! Geez, Psycho-Pass is so fucking good.

I bet from this episode onwards Akane is gonna become a badass inspector now. Screw happy go-lucky personality, she's gonna kill that Makishima fag. YEAH!
 
Dec 20, 2012 11:58 PM

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I can't believe they went ahead and off'd her. It shows some stones and instantly becomes essential to the story. I won't lie though, I was pulling for Masaoka to get there in time, grab the gun, and take a shot at that guy to protect Akane's friend.

5/5 this week.
 
Dec 21, 2012 12:19 AM

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Such an annoying character.. she tops of Inoue Orihime from Bleach x10.

She rather choose to not shoot and have her friend died?


Go back and watch the episode. She did shoot...twice...it's just that she missed so badly with both shots that it's about the equivalent of not shooting at all.
 
Dec 21, 2012 12:34 AM

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That was a cool episode, really amazed me. I was thinking this series was getting slightly boring with all the talking, but this episode was great.
For one, the duel was very intense, with two very skilled duelists. I like how the old guy wasn't afraid to die, and was even excited to have such a duel, so he wasn't scared. Of course we could predict who would survive, but Kougami was taken out of action.
The other amazing scene was with Tsunemori. As painful as it is to think about the death of Yuki, I believe Tsunemori totally deserved it. She really isn't meant for that job- she doesn't take initiative, she let Kougami go on his own (as pointed out by Gino). Since she missed the two shots she had and froze up, she lost her chance at saving her friend, so I feel that was something she deserved. Maybe her character will change as a result of going through such an experience, and she won't make such mistakes again.
That guy, Shougo, is really something. I almost feel like a bad person, but I laughed when Tsunemori would target him and his crime coefficient continuously decreased. He also made a great point, about the Sibyl system and how it controls people and how it decides good from evil.
This series is once again pretty good, as previously I was tiring of the talking and not much great action (more investigating). Looking forward to another episode.
5/5.

 
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Damn, I didn't like that this innocent girl died, I really wanted so bad the usual cliche of saving the day at the last second, but as excepted of the director NO MERCY.


Its extremely hard to not agree with Shougo, he is ABSOLUTELY right, leaving aside his sanguinarian methods of course.

Cannot blame or hate Akane really, she is merely the victim of a retarded system, just as the anyone else is, I just feel exactly like Makishima, extremely disappointed in Akane, she showed potential to wake up from following a stupid system that rules peoples entire lives yet even at the cost of a life, that of one of her best friends no less, she was unable to save her, she choose to follow a retarded system instead and she got exactly the result she sought. She decided right then and there to easy way out, to follow the system blindly no matter the cost.

Disappointed, extremely, I feel bad for the girl that died, their friendship amounted to that much.

Guess it will be interesting to see how Akanes entire life will irremediably change, will she think and act foe herself or will she continue to follow blindly a fairy tail?

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Deathraver said:
Such an annoying character.. she tops of Inoue Orihime from Bleach x10.

She rather choose to not shoot and have her friend died?


Go back and watch the episode. She did shoot...twice...it's just that she missed so badly with both shots that it's about the equivalent of not shooting at all.


NO, go back and watch it again as well.

She never had the intent to kill Shougo to protect her friend, she merely shot out of impulse, out of mere fear, but NEVER had the intent to protect her, had she REALLY tried to protect her you can bet Shougo would have let the girl live even when Akane would have missed, he wanted to see her potential, not see her reach a conclusion right then and there, in this case the intent was what mattered to him at this point, that is hyw he ended uo extremely disappointed, she didnt shot and miss, she never wanted to do it, which you can see all the times she points him with the retarded gun and then again when she "misses", she goes back time and time again to the stupid gun!
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That really sucks that she died. I really hate that guy, but thats what villians are for. When it comes down to it a good villian makes you question everything you believe. Case and point the inspector in the end. After this episode Akane will start to wonder if they sibyl system is really reiable.
 
Dec 21, 2012 12:52 AM

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That really sucks that she died. I really hate that guy, but thats what villians are for. When it comes down to it a good villian makes you question everything you believe. Case and point the inspector in the end. After this episode Akane will start to wonder if they sibyl system is really reiable.


Reliable? Forget that, the question here is to see it is plain and simply RETARDED. In this aspect Makishima is absolutely right. Or anyone here suggests its ok to let a machine rules peoples entire lives in all aspects and worst judge them?
 
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MAKISHIMAAAAAA!!!!!!!

FUCK... YOU!


I expected something like this, because it's written by UroBUTCHER Gen.... I'm still shocked nonetheless.

Just what is it about Makishima that bypass the scan? How the scan works in the first place?

As for Akane...
Hmmm...

My humble prediction,
I don't think she'll crack from that, Akane is strong, but I got a feeling that she will eventually crack if Makishima continues to play mind games with her... Which I believe will happen.
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Dec 21, 2012 1:03 AM

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That really sucks that she died. I really hate that guy, but thats what villians are for. When it comes down to it a good villian makes you question everything you believe. Case and point the inspector in the end. After this episode Akane will start to wonder if they sibyl system is really reiable.


Reliable? Forget that, the question here is to see it is plain and simply RETARDED. In this aspect Makishima is absolutely right. Or anyone here suggests its ok to let a machine rules peoples entire lives in all aspects and worst judge them?


I completely agree with you. No need to get hostile.
 
Dec 21, 2012 1:08 AM

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You guys really need to stop applying any sort of modern logic to P-P.

Akane was raised in a society where people are completely dependent on machines and the Sibyl system in their day to day lives. Of course, when BOTH of those fail her, she isn't really going to suddenly take the initiative, pick up a shotgun (something she has probably never seen before) and perfectly blow Makishima's head off without injuring her friend.
 
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MAKISHIMA YOU MONSTER!!!!! AAAAAAAAGGGHH!!!!!!!!!

And thus, Akane's descent into madness begins...
 
Dec 21, 2012 1:30 AM

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Flashybrown said:
9988 said:
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That really sucks that she died. I really hate that guy, but thats what villians are for. When it comes down to it a good villian makes you question everything you believe. Case and point the inspector in the end. After this episode Akane will start to wonder if they sibyl system is really reiable.


Reliable? Forget that, the question here is to see it is plain and simply RETARDED. In this aspect Makishima is absolutely right. Or anyone here suggests its ok to let a machine rules peoples entire lives in all aspects and worst judge them?


I completely agree with you. No need to get hostile.
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9988 said:
Flashybrown said:
That really sucks that she died. I really hate that guy, but thats what villians are for. When it comes down to it a good villian makes you question everything you believe. Case and point the inspector in the end. After this episode Akane will start to wonder if they sibyl system is really reiable.


Reliable? Forget that, the question here is to see it is plain and simply RETARDED. In this aspect Makishima is absolutely right. Or anyone here suggests its ok to let a machine rules peoples entire lives in all aspects and worst judge them?


I completely agree with you. No need to get hostile.


Nah, it no hostility towards you or anyone, sorry, guess I didn't not put it right, my hostility is toward the system. I just meant that the thing to realize is if its its not entirely flawed not that if people can depend or not on it, but that its entirely flowed and wrong that leaves no room to see if it can be "tweaked".

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You guys really need to stop applying any sort of modern logic to P-P.

Akane was raised in a society where people are completely dependent on machines and the Sibyl system in their day to day lives. Of course, when BOTH of those fail her, she isn't really going to suddenly take the initiative, pick up a shotgun (something she has probably never seen before) and perfectly blow Makishima's head off without injuring her friend.


Correct, Which is why precisely Makishima had to take the extreme route to present her with a death or life decision, and that of someone important to her was the perfect scenario, seeing how Akane could not dare think and act for herself even under such extreme circumstances, a persons life no less, she was unable to wake up, again, if we analyze Makishima he merely wanted to test her potential, had she showed some signs of free will even when she had missed for real after really trying to shoot him, he probably would have let the girl leave. Its entirely possible he realized he had to really kill her in order to further screw up with Akane, its obvious he has also taken interest in her.
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Yumekichi11 said:
maxie said:
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Good episode but seriously she should just have dropped the Dominator, steadied her aim and blown his head off. Oh well, wouldn't have been that much suffering if that would have happened, would it?
YES IT WOULD! One of those shards reaches her friend's head and it could be thee end of her. Remember each shell of the rifle has tiny rounded balls flying at least at 1400FPS (Feet Per Second) with that speed one of them is enough to kill her friend depending on the entry point. WTF wants to risk that even.

Based on her position and that of the enemy, it would be impossible without Yuki taking some of them small balls with her body.

Too much of a risk and Sybil might make her crime coefficient worse.

It was way too much of a risk to take. The guy was too close to Yuki. Now if she would push him somehow instead of fearing him then maybe. Sadly never happens. Yuki is pinned down and scarred to death whom comes to her anyway.


I realize it was a shotgun so it's not exactly the best weapon for the situation, but I'm fairly certain that this was as good as the worst outcome possible.
Actually it's not a shotgun cause it has no pump. It's a double barrel rifle. Unlike a shotgun you need to recharge and cannot pump to do so and insert the same way the shells as quick as a shotgun. So it's actually not the best at all but what's good about it is that a dual shot could be possible.

So, if those 2 shots would reach the bad guy then yes it would guarantee better a kill than a shotgun's shot cause the more frags from a shot the higher the chances one of them will kill him in the weak points of the body.

That being said, a handgun would be better off IMO.



Shotguns don't have to be pump action, there are many break action, semi automatic, and even fully-automatic shotguns. That definitely looked like a break action double barrel shotgun(you could tell when the shot hit the wall in episode 10)
 
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9988 said:
Damn, I didn't like that this innocent girl died, I really wanted so bad the usual cliche of saving the day at the last second, but as excepted of the director NO MERCY.


Its extremely hard to not agree with Shougo, he is ABSOLUTELY right, leaving aside his sanguinarian methods of course.

Cannot blame or hate Akane really, she is merely the victim of a retarded system, just as the anyone else is, I just feel exactly like Makishima, extremely disappointed in Akane, she showed potential to wake up from following a stupid system that rules peoples entire lives yet even at the cost of a life, that of one of her best friends no less, she was unable to save her, she choose to follow a retarded system instead and she got exactly the result she sought. She decided right then and there to easy way out, to follow the system blindly no matter the cost.

Disappointed, extremely, I feel bad for the girl that died, their friendship amounted to that much.

Guess it will be interesting to see how Akanes entire life will irremediably change, will she think and act foe herself or will she continue to follow blindly a fairy tail?

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Such an annoying character.. she tops of Inoue Orihime from Bleach x10.

She rather choose to not shoot and have her friend died?


Go back and watch the episode. She did shoot...twice...it's just that she missed so badly with both shots that it's about the equivalent of not shooting at all.


NO, go back and watch it again as well.

She never had the intent to kill Shougo to protect her friend, she merely shot out of impulse, out of mere fear, but NEVER had the intent to protect her, had she REALLY tried to protect her you can bet Shougo would have let the girl live even when Akane would have missed, he wanted to see her potential, not see her reach a conclusion right then and there, in this case the intent was what mattered to him at this point, that is hyw he ended uo extremely disappointed, she didnt shot and miss, she never wanted to do it, which you can see all the times she points him with the retarded gun and then again when she "misses", she goes back time and time again to the stupid gun!


Makishima, is that you?

Seriously, how do you know what Makishima is and isn't going to do? Have you been working closely with Gen Urobuchi on the script? Now you're just speculating that he would've let Yuki live if Akane put more of an effort into trying to kill him (even if she missed in the process). That's one of the more laughable statements I've read during this whole argument.

That's speculation of the highest degree. There's no way for you to know what Makishima was going to do. Again, go back and watch the episode. You see her look down the sight but everytime she shoots, she closes her eyes and the gun wavers. It doesn't help that she's trying to shoot a double-barreled shotgun with one arm because, as you said, she's still holding onto the Dominator and looking into it to see if Makishima's Crime Coefficient has changed. She does this because it's the system that she and everyone else in society rely on to judge criminals. It's also probably the only weapon she's ever used in her life. What made Makishima angry (if you can even call it that, probably more like disappointed) was he told her EXACTLY how to use and aim the gun, but she couldn't do it properly because she was still trying to rely on the Dominator too much.

You could tell during the sequence that she wanted to save Yuki, but she couldn't because if she did, it would go against everything she ever learned about the society she lives in. It's a moment where she's trying but at the same time, she hesitates and misses because, like I said, it goes against everything she had ever learned about criminals. It's not like she did "nothing". She wanted to do something, she tried doing what Makishima told her but she couldn't hit him because she was filled with too much doubt about her actions.
 
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My theory is the Sibyl system judges people on their emotional state. Remember the female in the first episode? Clearly she didn't commit any crime but was a victim of a traumatic event that labeled her as a latent criminal because her emotional state was very unstable. Makishima is like the perfect psychopath. He is able to maintain a very stable emotional state, which keeps his hue clear despite him being complicit in multiple crimes and ultimately killing Yuki. I don't like Makishima's philosophical ramblings. It seems like I'm watching Naruto and his talk no jutsu lol though it is still pretty cool that he can bypass the system.


Just my theory into the whole Sibyl system~

 
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9988 said:
Damn, I didn't like that this innocent girl died, I really wanted so bad the usual cliche of saving the day at the last second, but as excepted of the director NO MERCY.


Its extremely hard to not agree with Shougo, he is ABSOLUTELY right, leaving aside his sanguinarian methods of course.

Cannot blame or hate Akane really, she is merely the victim of a retarded system, just as the anyone else is, I just feel exactly like Makishima, extremely disappointed in Akane, she showed potential to wake up from following a stupid system that rules peoples entire lives yet even at the cost of a life, that of one of her best friends no less, she was unable to save her, she choose to follow a retarded system instead and she got exactly the result she sought. She decided right then and there to easy way out, to follow the system blindly no matter the cost.

Disappointed, extremely, I feel bad for the girl that died, their friendship amounted to that much.

Guess it will be interesting to see how Akanes entire life will irremediably change, will she think and act foe herself or will she continue to follow blindly a fairy tail?

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Deathraver said:
Such an annoying character.. she tops of Inoue Orihime from Bleach x10.

She rather choose to not shoot and have her friend died?


Go back and watch the episode. She did shoot...twice...it's just that she missed so badly with both shots that it's about the equivalent of not shooting at all.


NO, go back and watch it again as well.

She never had the intent to kill Shougo to protect her friend, she merely shot out of impulse, out of mere fear, but NEVER had the intent to protect her, had she REALLY tried to protect her you can bet Shougo would have let the girl live even when Akane would have missed, he wanted to see her potential, not see her reach a conclusion right then and there, in this case the intent was what mattered to him at this point, that is hyw he ended uo extremely disappointed, she didnt shot and miss, she never wanted to do it, which you can see all the times she points him with the retarded gun and then again when she "misses", she goes back time and time again to the stupid gun!


Makishima, is that you?

Seriously, how do you know what Makishima is and isn't going to do? Have you been working closely with Gen Urobuchi on the script? Now you're just speculating that he would've let Yuki live if Akane put more of an effort into trying to kill him (even if she missed in the process). That's one of the more laughable statements I've read during this whole argument.

That's speculation of the highest degree. There's no way for you to know what Makishima was going to do. Again, go back and watch the episode. You see her look down the sight but everytime she shoots, she closes her eyes and the gun wavers. It doesn't help that she's trying to shoot a double-barreled shotgun with one arm because, as you said, she's still holding onto the Dominator and looking into it to see if Makishima's Crime Coefficient has changed. She does this because it's the system that she and everyone else in society rely on to judge criminals. It's also probably the only weapon she's ever used in her life. What made Makishima angry (if you can even call it that, probably more like disappointed) was he told her EXACTLY how to use and aim the gun, but she couldn't do it properly because she was still trying to rely on the Dominator too much.

You could tell during the sequence that she wanted to save Yuki, but she couldn't because if she did, it would go against everything she ever learned about the society she lives in. It's a moment where she's trying but at the same time, she hesitates and misses because, like I said, it goes against everything she had ever learned about criminals. It's not like she did "nothing". She wanted to do something, she tried doing what Makishima told her but she couldn't hit him because she was filled with too much doubt about her actions.


And what is so bad about speculation, isn't that what we all do in som degree when we what anime or read manga and come to forum to comment? Or are we now unable to do that now? Inst that one of the most juicy parts to post our ideas and engage in debates, discussion and speculation of what could have happened or will happen with others? I am unable to do that, let me know because it seem I been extremely mistaken all along then, we all must refrain of posting here then.

How boring, that we cannot engage in speculation, analysis, formulate theories, or foresee what could happen, sooo boring, unless we have all the cards and work directly with the creators :(

I think that you are wrong in that I should not speculate, if you want to argue against my perspective or that I totally did not get it, you are more than welcome on the other hand.


I guess the go back and watch it upset you, sorry, you said it to others too, so dont get too heated.

I think you are to focused in the "but she did shoot" !!!!...

She did, you you are not analyzing the characters, context, situation, body language, the psychology game, etc.

To me its obvious he merely wanted to test her, her "potential", had she actually had the balls to kill him I am sure he meant his words and would have bee an aweosme ending for him to totally "awake" Akane, but this kind of extremely intelligent persons have their every move calculated and are master at reading and playing psychological tricks on their subjects of interests, so if you dare let me speculate I think he knew exactly that Akane was gonna be unable to kill him, 100% sure, but he wanted to see where the "balance" would lean.

You said it, look at Akane, in one hand the rifle or whatever it is, in the other the dominator, that image for me was a kind of balance, it was a game to see were it could "lean" more, unfortunately the "BUT SHE DID SHOOT" ended being a sorry attempt that she immediately discarded right away and immediately the balance leaned to the sybil system once more and irremediably at that moment, Akane choose the system plain and simply, it was then game over (do you remember what the conversation was about, what Makishima was trying to convey to Akane?), Makishima ended up disappointed at her choice... at least at that moment, we know it will most likely change, or are you gonna prevent me for speculating about it as well?

Do you think Makishima really thought Akane had the balls to kill him? But again, to me at least, IMO, he wanted to see if the balance could lean towards discarding the sybil system, in which case it she would become an interesting girl to toy with, maybe in the same fashion of the others we have seen, or maybe something much more interesting.

What do you think would have happened had she discarded the dominator instead, even had she been unable to kill him or even shoot him properly? Ah sorry, you cannot speculate, ok... I am just thinking out loud here alone...


Now to answer you specifically about the speculation, there is something called analysis and reading a persons personality -trying at least-, I am simply doing that, Makishima is someone that does not believe in the sibyl system and find interesting those that show potential to oppose or disrupt such system.

In the case of Akane and I simply believe it was a mere test, a first test for Akane, had she showed some potential, that potential could be doubting the sybil system, I think Makishima would have reward her by letting her friend live, as a sign of choosing the right option = abandoning the sybil system and acting on her own = Had she showed that "potential" and still had killed her friend that could lead Akane into believing she did the wrong thing and thus increase her dependance in the "good judgment" of the system, but had she rewarded her determination saving her friends life, it would mean she chose the right option, just like she coldly killer her to show her she did wrong to ultimately depend on sybil system.

Of course, I could be wrong in my analysis and perception.
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This one was definitely a game changer... damn, so badass!
 
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A PArt of me died from watching this...

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Senguuji change his bullet when he was serious during the hunting, I wonder what sort of bullet he changed..

Anyway, Akane have no chance of aiming Makishima with her leg shaking like that.She shoot because she piss her pants as said above .
I wonder will Akane's psycho pass become impure after this, she seems to be the most unstable inspector throughout the show.It will be interesting if Makishima is testing her because he knew that Akane and himself are somewhat similar~~
 
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--hmm i hope they dont make a break inbetween --

Anyways sooo many start too hate Makishima I think hes the Best Villian I Have seen soo far Cruel calm Mystierious and bored of the World thats why he looks for Things to Play with --like Kougami

And the Final of these too will sure take Place in the Scene we already saw at the Beginning
 
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Good episode ^^

Watching your friend is about to dying and you can't do anything for it, damn :/
That guy is true psycho xD

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Zomg......this episode gave me goosebumps............ even though I was half-expecting her to die to see it actually happen and be so helpless was extremely disturbing.....>.<......

God damnit. And he got away too.....

I wanna track him down and kill him. =( I keep thinking Tsuenumori's hue now will be messed up. =<

Yuki was so cute too. >.< Well at least they made a statement about what is and isn't considered a crime and what can and can't judge criminals. In the end, just like the military with airplanes or the cop with the gun its better to have some real eyes and ears and a brain making the call then some system or robot. Grr... I'm still so upset that talking about philosophy seems like a cop-out. That chick just got killed! @.@ And the b#&$#d got away!

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Best episode so far.Makishima is too mysterious.
 
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The system itself literally holds no meaning to this case anymore.
 
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I knew it! From the first episode I anticipated that eventually there will be that one person that will show up who is immune to the Sibyl System. Can't wait to watch the next episode. This show gets more and more intense as the episodes go by. Also I can't wait to see what will happen to Akane in the next episode.
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Amazing. Just amazing.

I'm considering the possibility of Akane being the same as Makishima or going down the enforcer route.
 
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Just why the hell can't this man be judged?!?


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Man.. Akane's PP being always stay clear isn't just history. I believe her mental state is strong enough to endure all the emotional pain, thus she won't down being an enforcer nor latent criminal. What I'm afraid is...if she quits her job as an inspector.

then again, can one quit his/her job if they want to in that world?
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I thought this episode show very clearly that Akane 's mental state is very weak ...
 
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Amazing episode. I'm gonna call this the turning point episode a la Madoka ep 3.

Akane's vulnerability was just so pathos evoking. Very tasteful and balanced shock factor.
 
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Ep11:-

SHOUGO MAKISHIMA YOU BASTARD!! HOW COULD YOU KILL YUKI!

I guess someone said last episode was right then! Yuki is gonna die this episode. I mean I can't believe what I just witnessed But good thing that Cyborg Guy Senguji finally get what he deserved!

THE WORST HAS COME!! God, I feel like I'm gonna rage a about that happened! This really pisses me off!

I mean what's gonna happen next on EP12?! The insanity continues!
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i want an exposition episode as to how Sibyl come into fruition.

well if Madoka has episode 10 and Fate/zero has 2 episodes for Kiritsugu, why not eh? ^^,
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God, my fist now clenches in anger about that happened. Talk about having a bad ending!!

I mean why can't Akane just shoot that Makishima guy already, for god's sake! THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT! If she shoots him, she can be only one who can saved Yuki!
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I thought this episode show very clearly that Akane 's mental state is very weak ...


Actually they haven't showed us how strong her mental state is yet, of course after that event you would react like that, that's not what is important. Whats important is how you deal with it afterwards. I can't tell what will happen to her, but i feel she will get through it with the help of Kougami.
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My favourite episode so far.
As to why Makishima's viewed as innocent, I'm guessing, is because he's a psychopath. Psychopaths feel no remorse in what they do even if it's morally wrong, and so, his mind doesn't become clouded, allowing him to pass as innocent.


Yes, I also believe Makishima is a psychopath or a sociopath.
Intense and brutal episode. I honestly didn't want Yuki to die u.u.
Quite surprising that Makishima's Psycho Pass cannot get cloudy. That shows that the Sybil system is flawed, and they cannot longer trust its judgement.
Maybe these events will change Akane's view of society....
Not really sure, but it will change her somehow, and I'm also positive that her case is similar to Makishima - her Psycho Pass cannot get cloudy either.
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Another great episode and another young dead girl.......
 
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Has Akane finally lost her friend forever?!
Is it too late to save her?!

RIP Yuki.

She will be missed. First was Rikako now this. Great, I guess I'm the only one who spokes my mind about what happened till NO one seems to agreed with me so f*ck it anyway because I'm really eager to see the Ep12 preview when it's out...

Excuse me, I really need to calm down a little despite having PSYCHO-SICK.... Later. :(
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Actually I have this thought about Akane holding both shotgun and dominator-- it's not simply because she's scared,lame,weak or anything-- it potrays her, this series whole contradiction. Shotgun on her right hand represents the feeling of freedom, killing intents,akane's own will ,while dominator on left hand represents sibyl system she believes in for so long. It's a symbolism.
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MorningGlory said:
I thought this episode show very clearly that Akane 's mental state is very weak ...
I would agree with jimbob1141. Actually they haven't showed us how strong her mental state is yet, of course after that event you would react like that, that's not what is important. Whats important is how you deal with it afterwards. I can't tell what will happen to her, but i feel she will get through it with the help of Kougami.
Actually I would argue for the contrary: the episode does not show Akane's mental state being very weak. In fact it may go to show her mental state is strong. For more than once we heard in the series that her psycho-pass seems hard to get cloudy and for more than once we heard in the series that she was picked by Sybilla for having the best aptitude for her police job as a monitor officer. If the tragedy had happened to other more ordinary people, she may have already gone mad or broken down or even like the woman in the first episode when she actually turned almost criminal -- we did not see it in Akane. She is feeling pain, sadness and guilt but that does not prove anything about her mental state. It is how she deals with those feeling that is most important.

There are many who questioned why Akane did not just shoot Makishima. I would say that we should not judge those characters using our standard. I believe in the anime world, the police so trust and rely on Sybilla system that nobody is prepared that they will ever see a case where the Sybilla system fail to judge correctly, even if a hideous crime is taking place right before the Sybilla system. The shock and disbelief is what paralyzed Akane. That's why she kept holding onto the Dominator -- she could not believe that if Makishima is not bluffing the Dominator would still not block her from shooting it. She picked up the rifle only half-heartedly and she never gave up the hope that Dominator and the Sybilla would eventually do the right thing. And if Makishima indeed was not a criminal and Akane shot him dead using the rifle, she could in turn became the criminal (which may even be what Makishima had in mind - I doubt he would not have a backup plan for himself in case she really tried to shoot him). Placed under extreme pressure of using the gun, she fired the shot but never in a calm and determined manner and the result was a miss. By then she lost all the means to stop Makishima and thus Yuki was also lost at the end.

One way I like about Psycho-Pass is that it is asking valid questions about human nature and society but the questions are also based on the environment and the technology in this future world. As much as we see that the Sybilla system has its flaw and the society has its problems, it seems that they are presented as a kind of trade-off with the comfort and sense of security gained for most people. This is not an epic tale of a dystopia like what we often see in Hollywood movies from Minority Report down but more a reflection of how such evolution of technology and society means to human and their life. in fact I doubt we will see an overthrow of the Sybilla system in the series. If anything, Akane vs Makishima is a very intriguing match: One is picked by Sybilla as the top person for the police job and the other Sybilla clearly failed to gauge correctly even if he commits a horrendous crime right in front of it. And both have the unique quality in their psycho-pass: One seems to always have a stable psycho-pass; the other never has a high crime score for his psycho-pass no matter what he does. To me the question is not whether Sybilla needs to be brought down, because if Sybilla is so flawed we might as well doubt if Akane really is picked correctly by Sybilla system and I do not think that is the point for this anime. I think the series is more about what the next step of evolution is for the society and technology, not about a revolution to bring down Sybilla.
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I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

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useless main character is not needed (although thats needed for character development) but this is very hard to endure. is it that hard to pick up a gun and shoot? even if you're gonna miss at least try to do something? goddamit the pretty girl died because of a fugly useless girl...there is not justice
 
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hotgun on her right hand represents the feeling of freedom, killing intents,akane's own will ,while dominator on left hand represents sibyl system she believes in for so long. It's a symbolism.


which others would just label as over analyzing and stupidity of the main character

It's a symbolism in a way and that's a fact.
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useless main character is not needed (although thats needed for character development) but this is very hard to endure. is it that hard to pick up a gun and shoot? even if you're gonna miss at least try to do something? goddamit the pretty girl died because of a fugly useless girl...there is not justice

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Actually I have this thought about Akane holding both shotgun and dominator-- it's not simply because she's scared,lame,weak or anything-- it potrays her, this series whole contradiction. Shotgun on her right hand represents the feeling of freedom, killing intents,akane's own will ,while dominator on left hand represents sibyl system she believes in for so long. It's a Symbolism.
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My new favorite villain.

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I am stunned. WHAT A DAY!
I have just watched the newest episodes of 5 Anime I am watching, Hidamari Sketch, Btooom, Zetsuen no Tempest, Robotics;Notes and this and ALL of them have been unbeliveably AWESOME today!!
It just justifies the point about how much I LOVE Anime.

It was just so vruel to watch how she couldn't really do anything to safe her friend! :-(
It really hooked me. How will this continue? Will she recover from her shock?
5/5 and a better score for the Anime in general 8/10 -> 9/10
 
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