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| Thank you kemkemmers, Very interesting! 2012 8/25 FUJI COMPREHENSIVE FIREPOWER EXERCISE The burst of gunfire by a Type-90 tank 90式戦車による連続射撃 平成24 2012 8/25 富士総合火力演習 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H35Zv6nYyAg I am pretty sure that Yukari's voice actress was there in August 2012. She posted some photos online on her blog on the following day. Please see my post #65 below. The information page in Japanese seems to be here: http://www.mod.go.jp/gsdf/fan/fire_power/index.html I could not find out the date for 2013. Let's hope for some kind of Girls und Panzer tie-in. |
okanaganDec 18, 2012 8:17 AM
| Yukari's voice actress REALLY LOVES TANKS it turns out. Check out this photo posted on her blog on Monday, August 27th 2012: http://ameblo.jp/193-x-193/image-11339881190-12159372873.html Also, click on the left arrow a couple of times as well as on the right arrow a few times. There is a nice set of photos from that day last August when she went to some kind of military demonstration and static display. |
okanaganDec 18, 2012 8:24 AM
okanagan said: Actually what I read is that she only got involved with tanks after signing up to the GirlPan project. In fact if you read the blog where Nakagami posted those photos ( http://ameblo.jp/193-x-193/entry-11339881190.html ) she thanked the staff who went with her and also mentioned how the experience made her vow to work hard for her Yukari role in GirlPan. My guess is that some other seiyuu might have been there too, and those real military fans like the director and the producers were most likely there.Yukari's voice actress REALLY LOVES TANKS it turns out. Check out this photo taken on August 27th:. === By the way, I think any discussion of how Blitzkrieg can be used in the senshado tournament may not be that applicable. Blitzkrieg is a combined arts doctrine anyway, involving infantry, artillery and air on top of armor, while Senshado is just pure armor. We can talk about maneuverability, speed and firepower advantage of Kuromorimine but whatever it does would be a far cry from what Blitzkrieg is anyway. |
symbvDec 18, 2012 8:29 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Well, they won, now it's gonna be a long wait for the last 2 episodes. Wow, now they have a new useless tank, a VK4501 Porsche Tiger, FYI only one when into active service during WW2, everything that Akiyama said about the tank was correct. http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/tiger_p.jpg Nice to know that they have a Type3 "Chi-Nu," FYI, Japs never used it in WW2, it was instead allocated to the defense of the homeland.  |
Nasty001Dec 18, 2012 10:11 AM
Jyuu-niDesu said: Also, during WWII, the allies has a numerical advantage over the Germans. Something that Miho dose't enjoy. The Allies lost the battle of France is because of Guderian's Blitzkrieg, a new fast and mobile warfare that takes coordinated attacks, the Allies were't expecting that. And as I said earlier, the only counter Blitzkrieg tactics I know of is through numerical and industrial superiority, which the Allied employed. Now Kuromorimine strategy, as far as ep 10 goes, also goes on the offensive like Blitzkrieg, even using the defensive favorable Jagdpanzers as an offensive weapon. Using this tactic i am struggling to find a way Miho will win. she is at a disadvantage in all fronts. The most significant counter-blitzkrieg tactics were defense in depth (what happened at Kursk), hedgehog, and pocketing (to a degree what happened at Stalingrad). While our heroines don't have the combined arms or numbers for some of these, limited hedgehog actions and flank attacks will still be effective. Blitzkrieg was weakest when a true breakthrough could not be obtained, when isolated/bypassed units retained fighting capacity, and when enemy forces were able to muster a solid attack to the flanks. It also, if the commander was too aggressive (ie: Rommel), tended to overextend supply lines, which could halt an advance even without enemy action. symbv said: By the way, I think any discussion of how Blitzkrieg can be used in the senshado tournament may not be that applicable. Blitzkrieg is a combined arts doctrine anyway, involving infantry, artillery and air on top of armor, while Senshado is just pure armor. We can talk about maneuverability, speed and firepower advantage of Kuromorimine but whatever it does would be a far cry from what Blitzkrieg is anyway. Blitzkrieg doctrine involved combined arms to achieve the end, but the actual strategy and tactics did not require it. The purpose of the combined arms was to allow the breakthrough to occur and hold down the enemy closest to the flanks. However, the tactic can be used even without combined arms, as the point was to break through the enemy lines, pocket them, and wreak havoc on their rear-area command and logistics. You don't necessarily need air or artillery support for that - it just helps immensely. |
ErwinJADec 18, 2012 8:44 AM
| Damn,this show gets better and better after every episode I watch.. Hope this gets a second season. |
| Its 420 out there somewhere. |
rederoin said: Next weekAny source on when the OST of GuP gets released? http://girls-und-panzer.jp/pro_cd.html |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Good ep. Extremely disappointed in the ChiNu. Was hoping its good armor would help hold the team together. I lol at the porsche tiger. At least they have 2 tank hunters now. Hope they get a chance to use them..In all honestly them winning looks impossible. Even against the russians I knew they had a couple good chances. But out gunned outnumbered and out classed oh and out maneuvered already. Looks grim :P |
| Woot! |
ErwinJA said: Well the thing is, if there is no combined arms to achieve the end (destroy enemy's front line rapidly and routing it) is it still blitzkrieg? Can the mere action of breaking through the enemy lines and running around in its rear areas (the armor's role) be called Blitzkrieg? To me combined arms is an essential element in the blitzkrieg doctrine and the breakthrough and going around in enemy's rear is just one of the aspects of blitzkrieg which can only be called blitzkrieg if other aspects like paralyzing enemy's reaction and destroying pockets of resistance are there too. If you have only armor doing the breakthrough and nothing else, then it is not really blitzkrieg any more. Blitzkrieg doctrine involved combined arms to achieve the end, but the actual strategy and tactics did not require it. The purpose of the combined arms was to allow the breakthrough to occur and hold down the enemy closest to the flanks. However, the tactic can be used even without combined arms, as the point was to break through the enemy lines, pocket them, and wreak havoc on their rear-area command and logistics. You don't necessarily need air or artillery support for that - it just helps immensely. In short, what I want to say is: it is not really meaningful to talk about Blitzkrieg in the context of senshadou where there are only tanks, and there is not even any mobilized infantry to speak of (much less air or artillery), and the goal is not destroying enemy lines or capturing territory but to get to the flag tank and strike it down. |
symbvDec 18, 2012 10:27 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Fans in Japan are quick to produce a tank guide for the Kuromorimine team: |
symbvDec 18, 2012 11:32 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Jyuu-niDesu said: I would love to see Maus (Ratte not so much) as it was most dumbest idea that Germans came up during the war, next to Konigstiger. Well, since Kuromorimine have such a great arsenal, I am not surprise if I see a Maus there [It will be overboard if there is a P.1000 Ratte] And from what I saw during presentation - they are not without a chance. Sure their weapons are mix of old tanks, failed ideas and few useful ones (Panzer, Hetzer and StuG) - but lots of heavy tanks is also kind of disadvantage. Tigers and Panther are ok - Tigers had slowly moving turret so moving fast can be good way of dealing with them (or aproaching quickly and shooting what Soviets were doing). But having a lot of heavy anti-tank guns is also good thing for Ooarai - they will be dead if hit but enemy has to do it first, and especially toys like JagdTiger are slow. So aiming with whole tank is difficult. Most dangerous are Panthers, rest can deal some blow but bring other problems/opportunities. |
| goood ep. glad they won expecting some sort of repeat of nishizumi's experience |
Dont bother replying to my posts in forums, dont check them afterwards. |
| Haha. The new team got blown up but it was a great save on their flag Panzer. Now it's 3 months until the next episode. Such a shame but I love this show and I'm looking forward to it. |
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| Kelly's Hero's - one of my favorite. Otherwise, I'm pretty much at a loss for words right now. |
CratexDec 18, 2012 2:27 PM
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| Rofl at the tank blocking the shot on the flag tank XD. Also I have a feeling that nishizumi is going to have the same experience she did before saving her team mates instead of winning, but maybe she'll be able to save and win..who knows? I just have a feeling this is going to happen again. |
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| The best episode so far. Beautiful <3 |
| whenever i come into the GuP Discussion i always feel like the people in here are in another world and i have no clue what their talking about lol good episode though sucks besides recap i won't be able to watch this for a good while and what was up with all the close ups on the food everyone was eating |
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| Just like others said, I wouldn't be surprised if Nishizumi has to save her teammates again. It just feels inevitable. Sucks that we wont know until March though... bah! One thing's for sure though.. Nishizumi's mom is a bitch but also a MILF! ;D |
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| My review of episode 10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzkf_vpjJQg I made the Anglerfish emblem on Blops 2! |
| Hmm well that was a fun episode. I loved the Katsu theme and how they showed how each team prepared for the finals match in their own way. =o |
Jyuu-niDesu said: Prone to stuck in mud, engine overheat, fire......   |
| Books are gateways to new worlds... |
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| Books are gateways to new worlds... |
| Some sad news. Yesterday in Taiwan, during practice, an M60A3 Patton battle tank ran into some soldiers, killing one and injuring four. http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2012/12/19/2003550489 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M60_Patton These M60A3's were used by the United States in Iraq and then sold to Taiwan in 1991. They are quite old now, and there is concern about the safety of their brake systems. Three recent M60A3 accidents are attributed to brake failure. The US replaced them with M1 Abrams. |
okanaganDec 18, 2012 8:27 PM
| This show kinda took me by surprise. Pretty enjoyable so far. Now the waiting game. |
| I had to watch the episode in melancholy with the knowledge of the next ep not being available for 2 months T_T katsu044 said: whenever i come into the GuP Discussion i always feel like the people in here are in another world and i have no clue what their talking about lol LOL, if it makes you feel any better, you are not alone. |
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| For me, I would rather like that Oarai team win the nationals to go to the international senshado competition since it will be a whole new world from the nationals as theme for 2nd season(if they will get one). I think if they lose and they will have to compete again for the nationals to win would be kinda repetitive IMHO. Or if not really win, at least as runner-up they could still get to the international by having the Black Forest and Oarai as representatives and still save their school. |
zenjamibuDec 19, 2012 12:16 AM
| Nice ep. So... 4 months of wait. Any news already why the hiatus? Is this because of issues with the staff? About those panty shots etc. :D |
HauntingShock said: Nice ep. So... 4 months of wait. Any news already why the hiatus? Is this because of issues with the staff? About those panty shots etc. :D Episode 11 and 12 are planned to be aired around March 2013. No specific date yet and it's still tentative. It could be aired earlier or much later. I think the reason is that the episodes are not ready to be aired yet and still being worked on. Even episode 10 had some inconsistency with quality that will be fixed in BD/DVD release. Not about pantyshots. |
Aversa said: Wouldn't it be a twist if Maho set Erika up to a pinch as passive-aggressive way of warning Erika who keep on harrasing her sister while at the same time telling Miho to just kill a powerless enemy like what happened to her previously ? :DSeems to me like that Black Forest Peak's attack was directed by the vice commander and not Maho the vice commander has some serious issues with Miho to go all out against her right from the start. My guess is that Maho gave half of the tanks direct command under the vice commander while she herself directly commands the other half. Which implies she is planning on using a different strategy then the vice commander or letting the vice commander rush out like that is part of her plan. It's sister again sister so things will get interesting. |
HauntingShock said: I think the director made it clear in his announcement. Basically he wanted to make the anime as good as possible and ended up adding so many cuts that they could not keep up with the workload. The studio Actas has never done a full TV series project (so far it has only done subcontractor work). Hence the 2 "summary episodes". Any news already why the hiatus? Is this because of issues with the staff? About those panty shots etc. :D The move of the last 2 episodes to March may have to do with the difficulty of finding suitable timeslot for the broadcast, although there are some who think that perhaps the director wants to turn the disaster of the delay at least to something beneficial by updating the ending so as to make it easier for a 2nd season. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| The Mako's line "みんなに宜しくって: Her grandmother said that please say hello to everyone" sounds a bit joyfully. It's so cute. |
AiCon said: Jyuu-niDesu said: Here's a question: Why don't they fix the brakes on those tanks? The Israelis have them too and they don't seem to have any problems with them.okanagan said: Some sad news. Yesterday in Taiwan, during practice, an M60A3 Patton battle tank ran into some soldiers, killing one and injuring four. http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2012/12/19/2003550489 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M60_Patton These M60A3's were used by the United States in Iraq and then sold to Taiwan in 1991. They are quite old now, and there is concern about the safety of their brake systems. Three recent M60A3 accidents are attributed to brake failure. Really sad to hear that, may god be with their family. Well, The ROC Army was about to phase those old M60 out in favor of M1A2 Abrams or Merkevas. but due to budget reason they put it on hold in their 2013 plan. An Island nation like Taiwan should focused on their navy and Anti-Air defenses. In the Army, Howitzer should be prioritize above tanks. Those M109A5 should be replaced with either K9 or PzH2000, for off shore bombardments. In case of a worse case scenario of a still possible 'forceful' takeover by the PRC, which still considers Taiwan as it's own sovereignty. But since the 'rise' of the PRC recently, the ROC armed force has always played catch up in their defenses in terms of defenses capability. There have been reports of purchasing American THAAD to counter PRC DF-21 carrier-killing ballistic missile and any nuclear tip ballistic missile, along with their PAC-3. In fact during the late 20th century the ROC actually tried to develop their own nuclear program as a nuclear deterrence against PRC, it never materialize. It's probably more cost-effective to upgrade the M109A5 units. Several ones are available that come fairly close to the K9 and PZH 2000 in most areas: -the M109 IH has the full M109A6 upgrade plust a new 52 cal gun. This includes the A6's mobility improvements that allow emplacement and displacement in 30 seconds, which is not exceeded by any units and actually significantly better than the K9. -the M109 KAWEST has a 45 cal barrel and many of the IH's improvements, though I don't know about the reduced emplace/displace time -The M109L52 has the gun of the PZH 2000, including assisted loading, for similar range and rate of fire. Again though, I don't know if they improved the emplace/displace time, which is really going to be among the most important things for a Taiwanese force. As for the tanks, the brakes can't just be fixed. They would have to be replaced. And the problem may involve other components that would also have to be replaced. Taiwan has not placed that much emphasis on an AFV industry (as seen by the lack of significant upgrades), and may not be able to do so itself. Israel's Magach units, by comparison, have practically been remanufactured by now, and also have been relegated to reserve status since 2006. |
| aww. 2 more episodes left. i wished they would extend more. it's very rare to see this kind of series :/ that new girl, "Nekonya" is like Frau from Robotics:Notes.. |
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