Bleach Chapter 519 Discussion

Kanic said:
Soul King= God-sent Shogun?

as well as a small hint about Urahara having in the past visited the Palace.

Fai said:

I am getting more of the feeling that Soul King is either:
1) Some Cosmic Force/Eldritch Abomination possessing that body
2) Some kind of extraterrestrial creature that only looks barely human.
3) Some kind of "force" that merelly creates/borrows human body so those "lowlifes" can comprehend him.


Well frankly this was speculated since Aizen conversation, but I guess this pretty much confirms it.

bonifide said:
Ichigo was pretty damn annoying there he go with all them questions. Yet he wont question his father. lol

Uchihafan25 said:

Oh, and the Spirit King's face kinda reminds me of Butterfly Aizen. lol.

Kanic said:

Yes but Aizen also implied that he saw him and I wasn't sure if that meant that both Aizen and Urahara have visited the palace OR that they have seen him through..I don't know some kind of orjection or that they once snuck in. BUT the fact that this Yakuza dude was aware even of the secrets of Urahara must mean that Urahara not only was there but he also was in great relationships with them(possibly a past 0 squad member?).

Missinglucky said:
Hmm I have a kind of interesting idea which I partially said in previous thread, I shall put it back into this one so it opens up the discussion on it.

Aizen had been planning since before ichigos birth to remove the soul king from power and instigate himself into that position, and from this chapter there is reasoning to believe that both urahara and aizen have been to the soul palace/met the royal guard. In this chapter we also managed to see what the soul king looked like and it strongly resembled aizens "butterfly" form. so possibly the reason why aizen knows so much about the royal guard (to create the key aka the royal guard) was because he is in some way related to the soul king (father/son/sibling/whatever else) and his whole intention this whole time is a revenge plan because he wasn't the next in line for the throne or that he got removed from the soul palace for whatever reason...

In that context the story of bleach would make Aizen the main character throughout all this time and we're just seeing the story from one of the experiments eyes.
In this view of things i brought up to somebody I know this whole concept and they related it down to some biblical knowledge which actually fits in accurately, if i can remember it at all I will update this post, or post a new post if the thread gets long enough.

dusFlaesPhan said:
Previous thread was deleted because the database had to be restored to to an earlier backup. Stupid hacker!

Missinglucky said:
Hmm I have a kind of interesting idea which I partially said in previous thread, I shall put it back into this one so it opens up the discussion on it.

Aizen had been planning since before ichigos birth to remove the soul king from power and instigate himself into that position, and from this chapter there is reasoning to believe that both urahara and aizen have been to the soul palace/met the royal guard. In this chapter we also managed to see what the soul king looked like and it strongly resembled aizens "butterfly" form. so possibly the reason why aizen knows so much about the royal guard (to create the key aka the royal guard) was because he is in some way related to the soul king (father/son/sibling/whatever else) and his whole intention this whole time is a revenge plan because he wasn't the next in line for the throne or that he got removed from the soul palace for whatever reason...

In that context the story of bleach would make Aizen the main character throughout all this time and we're just seeing the story from one of the experiments eyes.
In this view of things i brought up to somebody I know this whole concept and they related it down to some biblical knowledge which actually fits in accurately, if i can remember it at all I will update this post, or post a new post if the thread gets long enough.

Missinglucky said:
Aizen had been planning since before ichigos birth to remove the soul king from power and instigate himself into that position, and from this chapter there is reasoning to believe that both urahara and aizen have been to the soul palace/met the royal guard. In this chapter we also managed to see what the soul king looked like and it strongly resembled aizens "butterfly" form. so possibly the reason why aizen knows so much about the royal guard (to create the key aka the royal guard) was because he is in some way related to the soul king (father/son/sibling/whatever else) and his whole intention this whole time is a revenge plan because he wasn't the next in line for the throne or that he got removed from the soul palace for whatever reason...

In that context the story of bleach would make Aizen the main character throughout all this time and we're just seeing the story from one of the experiments eyes.
In this view of things i brought up to somebody I know this whole concept and they related it down to some biblical knowledge which actually fits in accurately, if i can remember it at all I will update this post, or post a new post if the thread gets long enough.

Fai said:


This could work, especially considering the whole Deicide Arc had some very clear parallels of Aizen compared to Lucifer.

I guess it depends on whether is "Paradise Lost" Lucifer, or traditional "evil" one.

hungry_bunny said:
I liked this idea... but there are some things that are off, if he was a prince then he should be even more powerful than he already is. He wouldn't need Ichigo, he wouldn't need to destroy 100,000 souls in Karakura town, he wouldn't need to read up on how to make a royal key in the Great Spirits Library of Soul Society... something tells me that Aizen's stay in the Royal Palace grounds wasn't as VIP as Urahara's.

At best, Aizen was a simple citizen who grew up in one of the floating towns surrounding the Spirit King. A kind of fallen angel.

Missinglucky said:


Yes that is true, this idea does have some flaws in it. Maybe the reading up wasn't on how to make the key but maybe how to perfect a body to hold sufficient amount of reaitsu. If he was a citizen on one of the floating islands, then what makes them citizens different from the others? maybe they possibly are relatives of the king but they're too far down the blood line to be meaningful?

hungry_bunny said:
...sure, the people on the floating towns could all be very distant relatives of the Spirit King. But they could still be normal humans with a little more power than the average citizen of Soul Society. Aizen was strong, but he wasn't much different from the other shinigami in soul society, not until he got hold of the Hogyoku. And the Hogyoku was created by Urahara, another piece of evidence that Urahara got closer to the Spirit king than Aizen ever did.

Aizen is just a little bit special. There could be a dark memory or betrayal in his past related to the Spirit King... something that made him take the path he took. But the way he talked about the Spirit King in the end, it didn't sound like he was talking about something he would consider a relative.

Meanwhile, the zero squad talk about him as if he was the "incarnation of evil"... that's not how a soldier would talk about a former prince, it's more like how a religious fanatic would talk about a former believer who pointed his sword against their God.

Missinglucky said:
Hmm I have a kind of interesting idea which I partially said in previous thread, I shall put it back into this one so it opens up the discussion on it.

Aizen had been planning since before ichigos birth to remove the soul king from power and instigate himself into that position, and from this chapter there is reasoning to believe that both urahara and aizen have been to the soul palace/met the royal guard. In this chapter we also managed to see what the soul king looked like and it strongly resembled aizens "butterfly" form. so possibly the reason why aizen knows so much about the royal guard (to create the key aka the royal guard) was because he is in some way related to the soul king (father/son/sibling/whatever else) and his whole intention this whole time is a revenge plan because he wasn't the next in line for the throne or that he got removed from the soul palace for whatever reason...

In that context the story of bleach would make Aizen the main character throughout all this time and we're just seeing the story from one of the experiments eyes.
In this view of things i brought up to somebody I know this whole concept and they related it down to some biblical knowledge which actually fits in accurately, if i can remember it at all I will update this post, or post a new post if the thread gets long enough.

Missinglucky said:
Hmm I have a kind of interesting idea which I partially said in previous thread, I shall put it back into this one so it opens up the discussion on it.

Aizen had been planning since before ichigos birth to remove the soul king from power and instigate himself into that position, and from this chapter there is reasoning to believe that both urahara and aizen have been to the soul palace/met the royal guard. In this chapter we also managed to see what the soul king looked like and it strongly resembled aizens "butterfly" form. so possibly the reason why aizen knows so much about the royal guard (to create the key aka the royal guard) was because he is in some way related to the soul king (father/son/sibling/whatever else) and his whole intention this whole time is a revenge plan because he wasn't the next in line for the throne or that he got removed from the soul palace for whatever reason...

In that context the story of bleach would make Aizen the main character throughout all this time and we're just seeing the story from one of the experiments eyes.
In this view of things i brought up to somebody I know this whole concept and they related it down to some biblical knowledge which actually fits in accurately, if i can remember it at all I will update this post, or post a new post if the thread gets long enough.

SleepnDreamn said:
As much as you people think that Soul King looks like Aizen butterfly form I get the feeling that he is closer to Quincy Vollstanding form. Can Soul King be related to Bach?

Since 3 "dead" fullbringers ended up in Soul Society where is Riruka? Would She be able to power up Ishida from the inside (she entered inside Rukia) with her upgraded Fullbring?

SleepnDreamn said:
As much as you people think that Soul King looks like Aizen butterfly form I get the feeling that he is closer to Quincy Vollstanding form. Can Soul King be related to Bach?

Since 3 "dead" fullbringers ended up in Soul Society where is Riruka? Would She be able to power up Ishida from the inside (she entered inside Rukia) with her upgraded Fullbring?

Han-yuu said:

Good theory but not going to happen... because


He obviously had no idea what the hell are royal guards and there is a position above central 46 unless you're telling me he found about his past and relationship later when he visit royal palace. Which is even more unlikely because he was already vice-captain that time and no idea about his own history and if you bring in more chemistry like they altered his memories and later he remembered or found out about everything. That will look stupid in my opinion because he was threat from the beginning even if he lost his memories. Why SS or Yamamoto was completely oblivious about him until he kicked out few captains and vice-captains out of soul society and later killed all central 46 and make fool out of them completely. Also i don't expect Kubo would go so deep down to prove Aizen had a very good reason to attack Soul King with that scenario.

Han-yuu said:

Good theory but not going to happen... because


He obviously had no idea what the hell are royal guards and there is a position above central 46 unless you're telling me he found about his past and relationship later when he visit royal palace. Which is even more unlikely because he was already vice-captain that time and no idea about his own history and if you bring in more chemistry like they altered his memories and later he remembered or found out about everything. That will look stupid in my opinion because he was threat from the beginning even if he lost his memories. Why SS or Yamamoto was completely oblivious about him until he kicked out few captains and vice-captains out of soul society and later killed all central 46 and make fool out of them completely. Also i don't expect Kubo would go so deep down to prove Aizen had a very good reason to attack Soul King with that scenario.

Fai said:

Yes, because Aizen, the master of mindfuck, could nto pretend he has no idea who 0Th squad is as part of his cover.
His reaction to the 0Th Squad mention could be interpreted in many ways and Aizen, the genius he was, pretty much played it in-character to "rookie-nerdy-glasses-guy" he played.

Missinglucky said:
I see this being probably the only, however very large flaw in my theory. Although it should be said that Fai has pointed out that Aizen did manage to stay in cover as a standard shinigami for 100's of years, it might not be so hard for him to cover up the fact he knows his past and what has previously happened. Maybe also, this is probably me being presumptuous, but you'd think that officers of the soul society would know about the soul king and squad zero?

Candor said:
@Everyone above me
Aizen was shocked when he heard the Royal Guard, but was he shocked because he never knew about the Royal Guard or was he shocked because of the fact that a captain got promoted to the Royal Guard?

It can actually be interpreted either way. Here is the version I have:

Candor said:
Aizen's reaction was probably because he never heard of that, which raises a couple of questions considering the new info we got from the latest chapters; why was Hikifune promoted to the Royal Guard? What about the previous 5th RG? Why was Aizen really shocked when he heard a captain was promoted to the RG? I think that's where Isshin comes in, he probably got exiled from there and lost his powers for some reason, which might be related to the Quincies, and Aizen was probably shocked at that fact when he heard for the first time a captain being promoted.

The thing about Butterflizen is probably related to the Hogyouku, which is related to Urahara, who supposedly was in the Spirit Realm, which raises a lot of more questions, though I think we're getting closer for some more answers.

@Han-yuu
I'm not really fond of that theory, but Aizen was born powerful, which raises more questions about how and where he came from.

Fai said:
Both Aizen's power and knowledge can be explained by making him Shiba(if Isshin is Shiba too, as well as previous 5tg Royal Guard)