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Dec 1, 2012 5:18 PM

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Wtf. Is there no hope of an animation quality increase? The first few episodes had a fine animation, why they can't restore it to that average animation? I can't hardly feel anything on the drama, cuz their facial expression isn't exactly matching what are they saying. I was laughing rather than being sad...


Really? What a superficial thing to say.

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Fucking boring and uninteresting ! Dropped , the worst series of the season .


Good riddance and enjoy your SAO.
 
Dec 1, 2012 5:21 PM

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Rest in peace, Subaru, poor thing.

Screw you, Saki, how can you not say that you love him in that situation?!

The inconsistency in Saki's facial design is pissing me off, she looked like a different person several times.
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Dec 1, 2012 7:29 PM

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I feel like I'm inside a fog when I'm watching this, things that just don't feel like it's in place continues to pop up and then another shit appears

My basic understanding of this anime :

1.Humans learned powers
2.War revolving around powers
3.Post-war / Finding flaws of powers
4.People can't control it and die/kill others (turn into karma beast)
5.Implement system to stop people going out of control
6.HOMO
7. (personal theory) The story is being told by Saki and Mamoru, the rest died somehow.

Anyone want to clear stuff up for me?...
 
Dec 1, 2012 7:49 PM

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wow that was a really good episode. I was so sad D:

I was surprised that Saki didn't say anything back to Shun like " I love always loved you too!" but she didn’t say anything D=

Maybe if Shun told Saki way sooner that he loved her and they got together..he wouldn't have felt so lonely? then maybe he wouldn’t turn into a karma demon? who know I'm still slightly confused with some things
Duhuhu...
 
Dec 1, 2012 9:30 PM

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I feel like I'm inside a fog when I'm watching this, things that just don't feel like it's in place continues to pop up and then another shit appears

My basic understanding of this anime :

1.Humans learned powers
2.War revolving around powers
3.Post-war / Finding flaws of powers
4.People can't control it and die/kill others (turn into karma beast)
5.Implement system to stop people going out of control
6.HOMO
7. (personal theory) The story is being told by Saki and Mamoru, the rest died somehow.

Anyone want to clear stuff up for me?...

I'm not sure what you want us to clear up... ;A; Do you have any particular questions?
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I keep seeing a lot of hate going against Saki because she didn't tell Shun she loved him back.

Personally, I believe Shun knew Saki's feelings from the beginning (or at least by the second arc). Saki was basically about to confess in episode eight. From the first time we see both of them together the viewer could tell they had something going on. Like when Shun held her hand when they went on the expedition. The way he usually sided with her in things.

At the end of episode ten, I'm pretty sure that Shun was well aware of how Saki felt for him. Saki didn't have to say "I love you too" to express how she felt, the feeling was already there.

At least that is what I think.
 
Dec 1, 2012 10:44 PM

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Quite entertaining :D

What?
 
Dec 2, 2012 12:33 AM
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Way too atmospheric. Mood setting is fine and all, but when practically the whole episode is dedicated to it, it's too much.

I kept waiting for a proper explanation of stuff. 10 minutes Shun said...boy did they waste a lot of that time on nothing. I kept waiting for a "all right here's what's going on, here's what you've gotta watch out for" type of conversation, but all we got was a lot of wood shots...and house shots...and wasp shots...and ass shots...and Saki being dramatic. This episode needed a lot more dialogue.
 
Dec 2, 2012 12:45 AM

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myuun said:
chrizo said:
I feel like I'm inside a fog when I'm watching this, things that just don't feel like it's in place continues to pop up and then another shit appears

My basic understanding of this anime :

1.Humans learned powers
2.War revolving around powers
3.Post-war / Finding flaws of powers
4.People can't control it and die/kill others (turn into karma beast)
5.Implement system to stop people going out of control
6.HOMO
7. (personal theory) The story is being told by Saki and Mamoru, the rest died somehow.

Anyone want to clear stuff up for me?...

I'm not sure what you want us to clear up... ;A; Do you have any particular questions?
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I keep seeing a lot of hate going against Saki because she didn't tell Shun she loved him back.

Personally, I believe Shun knew Saki's feelings from the beginning (or at least by the second arc). Saki was basically about to confess in episode eight. From the first time we see both of them together the viewer could tell they had something going on. Like when Shun held her hand when they went on the expedition. The way he usually sided with her in things.

At the end of episode ten, I'm pretty sure that Shun was well aware of how Saki felt for him. Saki didn't have to say "I love you too" to express how she felt, the feeling was already there.

At least that is what I think.
Well, as you said, when a girl went out of her to come to hell to save you then there is no need for you to hear her saying "I love you."


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Way too atmospheric. Mood setting is fine and all, but when practically the whole episode is dedicated to it, it's too much.

I kept waiting for a proper explanation of stuff. 10 minutes Shun said...boy did they waste a lot of that time on nothing. I kept waiting for a "all right here's what's going on, here's what you've gotta watch out for" type of conversation, but all we got was a lot of wood shots...and house shots...and wasp shots...and ass shots...and Saki being dramatic. This episode needed a lot more dialogue.
I think this show is more about discovery rather than telling the mystery which is what this episode(and the rest of 9 episodes) trying to achieve.

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Dec 2, 2012 2:14 AM
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Fucking boring and uninteresting ! Dropped , the worst series of the season .

It's not the worst of the season, noob. Seems that you also dropped Jigoku Shoujo and Psycho-pass. Those stories too hard to understand for you?
 
Dec 2, 2012 2:38 AM

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Really enjoyed that! As mostly dialogue between Saki and Shun, the way the wo characters fed of each other and finally revealed their feelings for each other was a really touching moment!

A lot of the craziness of the world and setting was revealed as well, it seems that teenagers shouldn't have super powerful mind powers!

Also, the first page of comments of people saying they've watched 5 mins of the show or are watching it raw without understanding Japanese are more concerned with collection internet points that watching anime and it's fucking pathetic.
 
Dec 2, 2012 6:42 AM

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I didn't like certain parts of dialogues. Looked like conversation between two drunk and had too much melodrama.
And as some have already said, the animation was bad.
But the episode was very enlightening and important.
So 6/10
 
Dec 2, 2012 7:58 AM

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Best ep ever! So much depth in it, so many emotions. I just wonder what was trigger that get Shun into this state.
 
Dec 2, 2012 9:09 AM
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Dude, if you always loved her, why were you just making out with Satoru the other day? The show doesn’t really spend the time to convince us that there is weight behind these characters’ words.


He loved Satoru as well.

For Shun, it wasn't a competition. He loved Satoru. He loved Saki. His elders encouraged him to be homosexual in his teens and heterosexual as an adult. Both Shun and Satoru (and Saki) knew this. Shun could be with Satoru as a teen and Saki as an adult.

He wanted to eat the cake and have it too, and he would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling kids!
 
Dec 2, 2012 10:30 AM

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Best episode.
 
Dec 2, 2012 12:58 PM

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Dude, if you always loved her, why were you just making out with Satoru the other day? The show doesn’t really spend the time to convince us that there is weight behind these characters’ words.

i thought you were reading the novel, so you should already know the answer to this? (・~・)
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Dec 2, 2012 1:20 PM

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Mhm, i guess if i didn't dislike the anime, i would feel sad for Shun? Buuut, i think Shun somehow comes back... I mean, this anime is alrdy fcked up on too many ways -.-
O'Hai :D
 
Dec 2, 2012 1:25 PM
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walk said:
kpk10 said:
Dude, if you always loved her, why were you just making out with Satoru the other day? The show doesn’t really spend the time to convince us that there is weight behind these characters’ words.

i thought you were reading the novel, so you should already know the answer to this? (・~・)


I know it but i'm talking here as an ANIME viewer. I don't think the anime did a good job with it.
 
Dec 2, 2012 1:56 PM

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Good episode.
I know that Saki has a sexy ass but really to many scenes. Couldn't concentrate on the dialog between them cause of that.
 
Dec 2, 2012 2:19 PM

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I lurve this anime's mystery.
 
Dec 2, 2012 2:23 PM

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Well, that was an intense episode. Maybe even a bit too much talking.
But the animation was pretty good this time..

However, I'd call that an improvement (on the left):

Shun did Subaru a favor if you ask me. :]
 
Dec 2, 2012 2:27 PM

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Great episode. Loved the art style and especially the music near the end.
 
Dec 2, 2012 4:49 PM
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Well, that was an intense episode. Maybe even a bit too much talking.
But the animation was pretty good this time..

However, I'd call that an improvement (on the left):

Shun did Subaru a favor if you ask me. :]
nantuko said:
Well, that was an intense episode. Maybe even a bit too much talking.
But the animation was pretty good this time..

However, I'd call that an improvement (on the left):

Shun did Subaru a favor if you ask me. :]


Stick? Subaru transform into STICK!!!!
 
Dec 2, 2012 6:15 PM

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so shun died this episode when he succumbed to the "death spirit" that came from him and let it kill him. as he says, "it's like the spirit of blessing, but instead of blessing you, all it brings is death."

but this raises some questions for me because the "spirit of blessing" that came to them was the manifestation of their own juryoku itself. by that logic, this death spirit should also be some kind of product of their own subconscious. however, as shun stated in the episode, his subconscious desires to survive (that's why none of those pills had any effects on his body). this kind of creates a paradox, imo.
 
Dec 3, 2012 6:18 AM

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I guess whats next. It's 15 episodes left and it seemed like an ending to me.
 
Dec 3, 2012 11:35 AM

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this inconsistency is pissing me off. at some scenes it looked great on others I could hardly tell what is going on..
 
Dec 3, 2012 2:18 PM

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I'm not the only one who's really confused right?
 
Dec 3, 2012 3:47 PM
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nooo someone tell me shun didnt die man :( need to see shun x saki!
idc if its spoilers, someone tell me!!!!!! xD
 
Dec 3, 2012 4:00 PM
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I guess whats next. It's 15 episodes left and it seemed like an ending to me.


How in anyway did it felt like an ending to you?
 
Dec 3, 2012 5:13 PM

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this is a strange series
 
Dec 3, 2012 6:27 PM

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My favorite episode of this series <3

The chemistry, art style, music, & tone really help brought it together. The whole episode just proves how the government is filling everyone with a false emotions and fears in which the human mind wants back. Going to miss Shun, he was such a strong character towards the end.
 
Dec 3, 2012 6:59 PM

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This was an incredible, emotionally devastating episode. Though rather simplistic in nature, this episode was filled with a plethora of emotionally complex developments, depicting a greater focus on Shun and Saki’s compelling relationship and the unavoidable tragedy that has infiltrated it‘s unrealized form, having lost any chance for a hopeful fruition of these feelings. The episode, though slightly underwhelming in several areas of the production, never faltered into a primarily flawed execution. As such, the directorial touches were surprisingly suitable, as, unlike episode five, a narrative cohesion, though barely perceptible at times, was infused into the episode. Essentially, this was the best episode of the series, slightly elevating above the fourth and ninth episodes.

My favorite sequence, by far, was Saki and Shun’s intimate, beautifully melancholic conversation. This entire interaction displayed a nuanced depth to their relationship that hadn’t previously been felt, while two divergent threads of emotion filtered into their fleeting conversation. Shun is calmly acceptant of his imminent death, while Saki intermittently pleads for him to stay by her side, clinging onto a fleeting vestige of hope. These final glimpses of a mutual love between them revealed a subdued, but effective tension. Shun's words comprehensively illuminated the inherent risk and inevitable impossibility of constructing and subsequently regulating a relatively “perfect” society, since it will ultimately be undone by the inability for the individuals that populate this “diseased” section of humanity to control their own thoughts and desires, while also touching upon the unexpected realization that his subconscious thoughts had previously affected reality, as it's also revealed that this unintended consequence caused the destruction of his village. The musical selection that was used throughout excellently captured the wistful, bitter emotions that permeated this scene.

Another sequence I really enjoyed was Saki’s beautifully atmospheric trek through the forest. Shun’s introspective narration was thoroughly insightful and brilliantly weaved into Saki’s struggles to find him. I felt that the unsettling emotions that pervaded throughout these illusory fragments of momentary hopelessness were excellently illustrated, especially due to the claustrophobic direction that accentuated her increased anguish and uncertainty. The choral chant that accompanied this scene wonderfully illuminated the underlying despair that had unexpectedly crept into Saki’s life.

One of the more effective moments accompanied the scene in which a deformed Subaru appeared in front of Saki, followed by a momentary glimpse of Shun’s emotionally fractured façade, where he painfully admonishes the unsightly consequences of his unfortunate “illness”, as his cantus continues to uncontrollably deter from a subdued existence. The haunting musical selection really elevated this insight into Shun’s distressed psyche. Another one of my favorite scenes was Saki’s introduction into Shun’s artificial world, which possessed a desolate beauty, from the colorful backgrounds to the house that sits isolated in the middle of a lake. As such, perhaps this secluded abode illustrates a parallel to the ritualistic parable Shun once spoke of, in which that particular karma demon threw himself into the depths of a lake, willingly sacrificing his ability to continue living, since it would likely lead to the destruction of his world.

The opening sequence was rather intriguing, as the previously tranquil cat attacked Saki, but fortunately, due to Shun’s protective charm, she escaped unscathed, culminating with the brutal death of the cat by her cantus. Though somewhat foreseeable, I really liked the explanation which indicated that the Holy Barrier is, in fact, protecting the world from the threats within, rather than preventing others from entering. Saki and Shun's conversation also established the very intriguing realization that the wild animals that roam the fringes of their world, such as the minoshiro, were essentially born from the fragments of escaped cantus. This could also explain the queerats, as their slipped cantus could have mutated other humans into the creatures they have become. It will be highly interesting to unravel the inevitable consequences that will follow Saki’s rebellious actions, which, though seemingly hidden, are very unlikely to remain so, since the Ethics Committee have been perfectly aware of the smallest infraction against their unblemished social order, previously displayed following their forbidden excursion into the edges of the forest and the apparent necessity to dissolve their acquired knowledge.

The heightened focus on Saki and Shun’s relationship was extremely effective in establishing the emotional undercurrent of this episode, and the entire arc, for the matter, since, due to Shun's tragic fate, it seems likely that Saki will begin to further rebel against the Committee, and that her possibly fractured psyche will propel her to a sort of savage motivation she had never felt before. As such, Saki and Shun’s compelling interactions were consistently engaging, having rarely failed to provide, at the very least, a singular element of meaningful intrigue. Though unlikely and certainly not expected, the consequent absence of this dynamic, in turn, has the potential to create a seemingly unfortunate dichotomy between her interactions with Shun and the subsequent interactions she has with the others.

Shun’s death was a momentous development, likely altering the direction of the narrative significantly. Though somewhat predictable, this development was handled extremely well, since this dreaded eventuality was expertly foreshadowed. As such, the most intensely emotional moment was the final scene, in which Shun spoke of his love for Saki, and Saki, having departed from him, cries out his name for the last time, drawing upon their irreparably shattered dreams and the fragility of their romantic aspirations, followed by his mournful decadence, culminating with the symbolic cracking of the mask, as Shun’s existence effectively disappears, lingering only in thought.

The structure of the narrative, so far, has been masterfully methodical, slowly divulging specific inclinations within each character, as well as deftly illuminating subtly foreboding foreshadowing, which has typically led to eventual examinations of said foreshadowing in a rather satisfying fashion, evoking a considerably ominous melancholy that has effectively illuminated this nihilistic sort of morose inevitability to an eventual chaos, since their manipulated powers could very well lead to a partial ruination of their society, particularly indicated by the mystery that surrounds Maria’s involvement in the story, as momentarily touched upon by the bit of narration at the end of the second episode.

Yamauchi’s direction, though it remains occasionally flawed, was a marked improvement over the terrible quality found in his previous attempt. As such, in a satisfying contrast to the fifth episode, Yamauchi’s expressionistic direction didn’t, for the most part, detract from the poignancy of the disparate emotions that suffused the entire episode. In fact, his surrealistic style actually complemented the melancholic atmosphere and tragic developments quite well. His unnecessary predilection for numerous close-ups, though still entirely prevalent, wasn’t noticeably detrimental to the effectiveness of the story, as the emotional nature of the episode benefited from this highly personal approach to a distinctly visual storytelling. The storyboarding was moderately unimpressive, as it still failed to construct an entirely cohesive narrative, but surprisingly, given the abstract nature of this episode, the resulting lack of cohesion didn’t particularly disorient too heavily. The scene transitions weren’t nearly as incoherent as in the fifth episode, but of course, there was still a slight tendency to avoid a logical progression within each scene, but it worked quite well throughout, rarely slipping into a distracting repetition.

This visuals were amazingly unique and highly creative, most evident in the striking exteriors, displaying a particular ambience that worked extremely well. Though the visuals are distinctly removed from the majority of the previous episodes, I feel that the significant contrast is rather effective in establishing the dreamlike nature of this episode. The animation, on the other hand, was unspectacular and inconsistent, but, despite the occasional touch of mediocrity within movements and facial expressions, it, thankfully, never detracted from the effectiveness of any particular moment, as the emotional resonance was hardly diminished. Musically, this episode was amazing, as Komori Shigeo continues to deliver a plethora of stunning compositions, which were excellently accentuated throughout. The sound direction was also superbly effective during several sequences, particularly throughout the scene in which Saki first encounters Shun in the forest, as the echo of his manifested words reverberated around Saki’s approaching footsteps.

All in all, From the New World consistently manages to masterfully excel with it's complex story, engaging characters, and thoroughly intriguing developments, delivering, once again, a beautiful, impressively executed episode. The story, so far, has been very well-written, illustrating a necessary precision in the meticulous construction of the narrative, slowly developing a particular nuance within a character’s development or an essential subtlety within the gradual evolution of their civilization, as it also balances a plethora of dichotomous emotions. It appears quite possible that, if not now, Saki and the others will eventually uncover the deceptive manipulation that has potentially restrained and partially weakened their abilities, while also thoroughly tampering with their memories, which could very well occur again. This would be an extremely interesting direction to take, as it offers the most potential for the complexities within their society to be fully dissected. It also seems likely that Maria and Mamoru will be far more prevalent and essential to the remainder of the story, since, up until now, they’ve only been tangentially involved.
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Dec 4, 2012 9:29 AM

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(Is it just me or there were a lot of Saki crotch/butt shots this episode...?)

This series is turning out to be completely different than what I, someone who hasn't read the manga or the novels, imagined it would be, and I don't mean that as a compliment.

I honestly don't care if there's yaoi or yuri in this anime, it is a part of the plot as it was explained in episode 4, but... it gets confusing at times (the plot, not the whole stress-relief sex thing), and while I understood what was going on in this episode, I just wish the storytelling was a bit more consistent. It seems like it all just went downhill from episode 5, especially in terms of animation. ): *sighs*

The plot seems to be moving forward quite interestingly, though, after hearing what Shun had to say about becoming a karma demon. Now I'm curious about Saki's mother and the extent of her knowledge about all of this. I don't get how Misiakk felt this seemed like an ending; there's not much we know and there are still many questions unanswered.
 
Dec 4, 2012 4:39 PM

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Incredible, awesome episode. Unique art and animation, great conversation especially in Japanese... Fights, twisted houses and reality itself.

Only fault of the show IMO is that it seems to switch styles and quality levels each week. It is cool and interesting but it seems disjointed. I am buying the BD anyway and will see if it seems different when viewed in a sequence.
 
Dec 4, 2012 6:24 PM

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I really loved this episode.

Btw, how did Saki kill the cat? I know the necklace Shun gave her provide protection but she was also saying some words. I think she was also trying to do the same thing when the second cat showed up but Shun stopped her.
 
Dec 4, 2012 8:44 PM
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And then Saki wakes up discovering all this was a bad dream caused by tripping on shrooms
 
Dec 7, 2012 2:30 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Looks like this thread got deleted with the rollback as as well.

This was a pretty slow episode. Lots of talking, but we've learned a lot about what happened to Shun. I still find this series pretty hard to follow though.

Looks like we'll be making another jump in time next episode.

 
Dec 7, 2012 3:29 PM

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Some interesting point is created this episode.
Even though they haven't been in the "outside" world... they know about it so there is still a connection and it is their subconscious!

Damn.
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Dec 8, 2012 11:45 AM

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nooo shunnnnnn resiiiiiiiiist ;; !

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Dec 8, 2012 1:41 PM

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Wow. This episode solidified this series excellence for me...


poor dedicated Subaru + brilliant Shun <3
 
Dec 8, 2012 2:00 PM

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why is it there's many thread got deleted?

Powerful episode, eventho' i hate the type of art back in episode 5, i think this time it's fitting with the atmosphere of the episode, one of the deepest episode i've seen so far.

it's official then, shun is 1000x better than Satoru!!! i hope we get to see more of him again in the future. or is it really the end of him?? Noooooo :'(

To think that annoying Satoru got a chance to taste Shun's body, ewww ugh Sakit should've been with him all along >:(
 
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Missed the original topic so this question might've been answered before.

Did Shun have a choice in his becoming Gouma ?
Did he have a choice in life or no matter what he did when he's younger, he'll be screwed up anyway in the end ?

Yes, kind of nature vs nurture problem
 
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Missed the original topic so this question might've been answered before.

Did Shun have a choice in his becoming Gouma ?
Did he have a choice in life or no matter what he did when he's younger, he'll be screwed up anyway in the end ?

Yes, kind of nature vs nurture problem

He didn't really have an explicit choice,just normal choices in a "normal" life... and one day, it's too late to change. It's like walking in the dark

What if Saki never heard her mother talking about "losing another child"? What is the impact of this single conversation to Saki character?

Maybe something insignificant could have avoided this disaster... or not, who know?
 
Dec 9, 2012 5:59 PM

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damn all those explanation makes my head spinning lol

but is shun really die? REALLY?!?! damn that's too ironic. so what is saki gonna do next? gonna hunt all those cats
 
Dec 10, 2012 1:32 PM

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I didn't comment before as this thread had been deleted by the time I watched the episode, and I thought the other one would get removed by the rollback.

Anyway, brilliant episode. One more like this and this series becomes 10 #3.
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Dec 10, 2012 4:42 PM

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Damn it, the anecdotes were correct about karma demon, Shunnnn!!!

The Holy Barrier is to contain PKs from the world not the threat outside it. o_O The uncontrolled power of one talented PK here is demonstrated to be enough to change the landscape. I shudder to think of the unbounded potential threat when lots of PKs go out of control, Earth's fate and the last scenes from Arthur C. Clarke's "Childhood's End" comes to mind. >_<
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Dec 11, 2012 2:03 AM
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where's all the homo? I want more homo
 
Dec 14, 2012 9:01 PM

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NOOOO SHUN!!!!11 I LOVED HIM I SWEAR IF THEY KILL OFF SATORU NEXT I'M SO DONE WITH THIS SHOW! TT^TT
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Dec 18, 2012 1:07 PM

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Such an emotional ep packed with information. I still had trouble decoding all of it but it was a standout moment nonetheless. Plus, Saki looked particularly attractive with her hair tied up.
 
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The drama in this episode was great. Almost reminds me of Madoka in a few places.
 
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