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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Well... Fuck... WHICH MOTHER FUCKER DECIDED TO PUT THE AXE ON THIS GREAT MANGA?! WHO?! In case of people being spoiled from me raging... |
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| Is 16, 17 and 18 already out? Every manga site I go to only has Ch. 15. |
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MagnumBookworm said: Is 16, 17 and 18 already out? Every manga site I go to only has Ch. 15. I read chinese translation. |
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| An open ending is bad. I was expecting the killer to be revealed and now I'm really disappointed. |
| *MAXIMUM RAGE* |
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| i hope the author releases a epilogue chapter that wraps everything up. it looks like it was setup to end the main story this way in order to give readers a chance to figure things out and then release an answer chapter but that may be wishful thinking on my part lol |
| WHYYYY....WHYYYY T_T |
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| I would pretty much rage... if not for the fact that this FORCES us to think and solve the mystery. We can't just wait for the resolution, we need to make it ourselves... Let's think about it. A - We have one person whose words we know are absolutely true. B - We have some unknown last requests that, all together, lead to Shizuka being sentenced (despite Hibiki's last request being pretty much invalid to grand). C - We have X who was at the crime scene. Both Minamida and Asami (KillerGirl) have some information about them. D - There is some information about Shizuka even Chief Shinigami can't be allowed to view. The fact there are orders preventing her from being let to do so, makes her think Shizuka won't find the culprit even using a last request. E - We know Aidas' Father died before Hibiki. We don't know when exactly their Mother died, before or after. A: Unfortunately, Saaya thorough this whole manga somehow managed to say nothing that would sound important - except for when she said she doesn't know about what happened at the crime scene. B: The last requests that probably affected the situation are the wishes of: a) Father b) Mother c) Aunt (Father's Sister) d) Minamida Azuma (not "official", but his brother acts to fulfill his wish) What do we know about those people? a) Father. Tried to stop Shizuka from killing the culprit. Must be close to them. Also cared a whole lot about his sister. b) Mother. Blind and pretty much crippled. Wanted to see Hibiki's face at least once. c) Aunt. Died in the accident that blinded the Aidas' mother 15 years ago. We know the least about her. d) Azuma. He's been on the verge of death for 10 years now. His brother tries to "achieve what he could not finish". Some things are pretty obvious now. For example, the reason Minamida wants Shizuka for himself is because he needs somebody smart TO FINISH THE MASTERPIECE CRIMINAL NOVEL AZUMA STARTED. We know Shizuka was writing a somehow similar book himself before the accident, he escaped death several times now and he displayed a lot of wit. Another example - Aidas' Mother wished to see Hibiki's face. We may safely assume that was her last request too. What consequences would that have? Well, she'd have her eyesight restored after dying and she would SEE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED, CULPRIT INCLUDED. Though I'm not sure if after dying she wouldn't be able to see anyway... Let's continue with point C. The person on the crime scene, X. They took a photo of Shizuka holding the weapon with their cellphone - the photo later ended in Minamida's cell. It was either Minamida or somebody whom he knows. Asami the KillerGirl also has some information about him, apparently. Which is weird, considering all she could do was surf the Internet, since she was sick. Can we assume she stumbled upon the information about X on the web? Maybe on the Boy A fan-website? D: Now that's interesting. Because of the shinigami rules, the Chief Shinigami can't browse information about Shizuka. And it makes her think he won't find the culprit even using a last request... Now why would that be? Did somebody's last request made it so literally nobody will learn something about Shizuka? Frankly I don't see another option right now. That would mean that "finding the culprit" would have to coincide with "disclosing the information about Shizuka" and so Shizuka's last request "finding the culprit" would clash with that other last request "never reveal the information" and would therefore be unable to be realized...? Is that information the fact that Shizuka is actually a child of the Father's Sister (actually cousin)? Were they THAT close? If that was the case the "never reveal the information" request would have been the Aunt's (Father's Sister's). E: The order of deaths. We know it was either Mother-Father-Hibiki or Father-Hibiki-Mother. If it's the second, then it was Father's last request that made Hibiki's last request possible (highest punishment) to grand despite the possibility of causing death. Was the request "protect the culprit"? Was it "do everything to grand Hibiki's request"? The second option fits the Mother better I think... Lastly, there's a possibility the Aunt (Father's Sister) became a shinigami after dying and is currently one of the cast. But if that's the case... Well, it doesn't look like they forget their lives as humans when they become shinigami, so... Huh. That sh*t is complicated. |
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| What a terrible ending. My goodness. I was expecting something with actual closure, ya know? |
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| This last chapter did decrease the rating by two points. Seriously, what the hell? |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| "But this is my last request." "So take these words, and let 'Shinigami-sama ni Saigo no Onegai wo' reach its epilogue." Hmm, so the Shiroha and Kureha arc ended up being (almost) relevant. After all, Asami is important for the fact that she had information on who was the killer and she is now serving under Shiroha. It's impressive how quickly Shiroha was able to become an Oni from a rookie shinigami who started later than Hibiki did. But that ending... oh my god. No closure. The ending is an open question. A problem solving question left for the readers using every single clue from the manga. Even so, I think the clues are insufficient to solve the mystery. This manga probably getting axed is the most likely reason for this botched ending. I think it's possible that his father's last request was the one that led to part of his memory being erased. Since he told Shizuka to stop fighting whoever was the culprit, the culprit had to be someone who was known and important to the father. If Gou knew Shizuka would survive, he could have then made his wish so that Shizuka cannot take revenge on the culprit who he is unable to remember (so this important person will not die, and his son's hands won't be stained with the crime of murder). Tomoe's desire was to see Hibiki's face, so that was likely her last request. There's too little information about his aunt, so her last request is a total mystery and the wild card in the equation. Shizuka cannot be the son of another woman, since he takes after Tomoe. Hibiki is the daughter of Gou since she takes after him. Assuming Hibiki was the child Tomoe was carrying in her during the accident, then she is fully their child. Suffice to say, this incomplete ending means I am unable to give it the score I wanted to before... |
| Words can not explain what I am filling right now. I wanted some closure, and how are we supposed to find out who the culprit is with so little information? Only a very few will even be able to come up with a reasonable conclusion. Unfortunately I'm not one of them. |
| ❑ Single ❑ Taken ✔ Mentally dating a character that doesn't actually exist |
| Damn. at least I know how I'll spend my weekend now. Rereading the whole manga and trying to solve this. I have one idea though, it might be that minamida azuma has another request which he wanted to fulfill that the brother is doing. One that a shinigami can't fulfill. Probably the novel, or playing it out. but i'm not really sure. just some wild guess. |
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| SUSPECTS: People: - Shizuka <innocent - had his request granted> - Hibiki <innocent - same> - Mother <innocent - blind and crippled> - Father <innocent - if it was him, than Shizuka must have killed him in self-defense, but Shizuka had his request granted, so he's not a murderer> - Asami KillerGirl <she admits that before slaughtering the Boy A followers and Shizuka, she had never known how it feels to kill somebody. She also had her request granted> - Kuroneko <before the hunting game arc, he claimed to have never killed, but who knows. Seems unlikely though, seeing as he's already been dealt with (twice)> - Minamida <knows about or is the murderer> - Shiroha & Kureha <both extremely unlikely to have anything to do with the murder. Shiroha had her request granted too, so she's definitely out> - Shiroha&Kureha's bastard father <yes, he was Minamida's pawn, so Minamida having info on him would be probable, he might have known Aidas' father, but I don't see a motive and again, he was already dealt with> Shinigami (involvement, not murdering): - Satsuki <seems supportive, but as an Oni she has a lot of influence, subordinates and let's not forget we don't know what her special ability is> - Chief Ayame <interested in Shizuka, but even she can't view information about him. Grey zone too> - Saaya <definitely involved, she erased memories of at least one person - that is Shizuka - but somehow claims to know nothing about the case. Erased her own memories?> - Shiroha <wasn't a Shinigami yet when it happened, out> - Gou's Cousin Sister? <now that's just a speculation, but she might have become a Shinigami, maybe even one of the ones we know already> So wait, it's just Kuroneko/Minamida/PoliticianBastardFather/Outsider? |
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Is that information the fact that Shizuka is actually a child of the Father's Sister (actually cousin)? Were they THAT close? If that was the case the "never reveal the information" request would have been the Aunt's (Father's Sister's). Unlikely since they said Shizuka and his mother looked a lot alike. It's impressive how quickly Shiroha was able to become an Oni from a rookie shinigami who started later than Hibiki did. Saaya said the hardest part was finding suitable prisoners.I am almost certain it is either Hibiki or Shizuka that killed off everyone. Murders don't get their last requests fulfilled. |
| well great people nice theory here and there spent 1 hour reading all of them. I will not add oil in that flame I'm just here to be enlighten but still I'll toss a bit - the 5th person in that house is unknown but it cannot be a new character it is already a character in use if that is what the author's interpreting - Azuma is still alive then his "Last Request" is still on progress so Saaya probably still watching him - Saaya can't lie.. I copied every lines she has said but that doesn't means that she will tell everything - The book or Novel that Azuma was writing was not complete and keep me wondering what was the contents or if there is a significant clues from it - Asami has information but we don't know what it is so we can only guess - Gou's cousin that died 15yrs ago the MC talk about her at the last chapter so the only thing I could think that who is the shinigami in-charge of her. Well that's some points I'm still at lost at, but really we can think of as many answer their are, even if we got the answers right.. in the end their just still guesses and speculation we won't know if it's the truth until we hear the Author's final say. we or me is really wishing for a special ending chapter |
Culprit-X said: Hate to say it, but its not looking good for the mother, she does seem like the killer Culprit-X your theory is somewhat close to what I'm making right now, so I would like to cooperate with your theory. Right now I'm currently re-reading the manga for the 4th time and formulating my own theory, but what intrigue me the most is that you said: Saaya is maybe Gou's (Father of Shizuka & Hibiki) Cousin who died 15yrs ago in a car accident. Then became a Full fledge shinigami 5yrs later and took the 1st case of Azuma "Destiny:death" Saaya secret is very alluring but I don't want to focus much on her yet. About the mother being the Culprit is unlikely but still plausible.. I still have doubts about the Father, I will look into it and reply later about it. As of now my I'm thinking that the 5th person at that house is "Ichirou Houjou" (Shiroha and Kureha's father) as of why? my 1st solid clue is Ichirou Houjou is one of Minamida Favored Chess Piece A.K.A. Black Pawn; 2nd his been under Minamida's hand for over 13yrs or more. That's it for now, I'll construct my Theory and Create a Timeline of events then look for any loop holes and by then get a possible Answer |
| I haven't been active on this site in a long time (I don't even update my lists anymore), but I can't stay quiet on this one. At first I admit I was in the camp of "what the heck" and wanted to blame the mangaka for laziness or the publisher for axing the title, but now I find I want to read the entire thing again just to try to figure it out for myself. I rarely ever have that strong a re-read interest in a title, so I guess I must still be pleased with it. With that, I'll share my thoughts. Mind you I am assuming that the Aida family's murderer is somebody actually in the cast, and not a new character we haven't been introduced to (further I assume it is somebody mentioned on that last page in the final chapter, or else the mangaka really is playing a dirty trick on us). I'm also assuming something extremely radical hasn't happened, such as Azuma waking up from his coma long enough to do the deed and then falling back into it again, or some weird timewarp involving Gou's cousin (assuming she isn't one of the shinigami currently in the cast). Both of those situations would be unpredictable from the facts presented and if they were the answer, THEN I would cry foul. --------------------------------------------------------- Top down and left to right from the flowchart presented on the last page: Satsuki: Has no concievable reason to murder anybody in the Aida family, plus she was a shinigami at the time and I doubt she could have gotten away with it unnoticed. Luca, Yoshino, and Ume: No connection to the Aida family. Plus they're all Shinigami. Masamune and Sasuke: Possible because they are supposedly criminals whose deeds warranted Hell and thus might have had the motive of home invasion, but they've been working for Satsuki for...how long? I need to re-read. If they did it they would have had to have done it while they were still alive, and I doubt they were at the time it happened. Plus, who would protect them? Maybe Satsuki if she thought she had something to lose, but she would have had to go as far as to steal or trick a last request out of somebody. But then, she would have had to order the killing in the first place...I can't see any viable reason for that with the facts as they are. Saaya: She was in charge of the cleanup and says she doesn't know anything. We are assuming she cannot lie, but then, she wasn't directly asked if she did it, only whether or not she "knew something". She could be bending her personal rules. Still, this doesn't seem likely. What motive would she have? Plus, she was also a shinigami at the time and she follows the rules to the letter. Killing people would definately be counter to those rules. Minamida: I agree with previous comments that he may want Shizuka to finish his brother's novel, but that doesn't account for murdering the Aida family. But, notice how his hairstyle/height/build is basically the same as Shizuka's? Are we SURE it's Shizuka in that photo? We only see the person from the back... Minamida Azuma: Has been in a coma for the past ten years and has no connection to the Aida family. Chief Ayame: Unless I missed something in the story, she is such a minor character with no real connection to anybody, I can't see where she would have had the motive. Aida Shizuka: Why are we assuming he didn't do it? As far as I recall that bit of information was handed to us without a whole lot to back it. He doesn't remember doing it, but we have reason to believe Saaya altered his memories, which could have changed his entire personality. I don't want to believe it was Shizuka because that puts us back at the beginning of the story, and there is still the assumption that Gou tried to stop Shizuka from killing the "real" killer, but again...that's conjecture. I can't entirely discount Shizuka with the facts available, plus it's very possible somebody might have used a last request to cover for him. Possibly even more than one. Shiroha: Has no connection to the Aida family. Hibiki: Was one of the victims of the murder. Gou: As Hibiki. Tomoe: As Hibiki. I've heard theories that suggest she did it and I guess that's possible, but unless somebody killed her after she murdered Gou and Hibiki, she would have had to kill herself...a stab wound though her own neck seems an odd way to go about it. Not impossible, though. Otherwise she's just another victim. Plus she must have had some crafty skills to have pulled it off in her physical condition. It's a maybe, but I won't discount it because the comments in previous posts are pretty well thought out, and do account for her condition at the time. Kureha: Has no connection to the Aida family. Asami: Became obsessed with the killing...to me that suggests the killing would have had to already occurred for her to become obsessed with it. Then again, she may be obsessed with it because she did it, framed Shizuka, and felt haughty about her accomplishment. I'd need to read back and see how long she had that disturbing murderous streak in her personality. Can't entirely discount her because she's capable of performing murder randomly and for no purpose apart from personal enjoyment, so the question of motive isn't as strict with her. But, why anybody else in the cast would try to protect her, I can't say. Gou's cousin: Died 15 years before the accident. She could have incited a jealousy killing by either Gou or Tomoe, but that seems far fetched. Naturally she's a little too deceased to have done it herself. Even if she had been alive, I'd be a bit put off if she was the killer, because we were only introduced to her at the very end of the story and thus could not have even guessed at an answer throughout most of it. This is supposed to be an entertaining story afterall, not a real murder mystery, so reader entertainment has to be taken into account. But then...why even mention this character near the end of the story at all? Perhaps there's more to it, and there is the theory that she is one of the current shinigami, which would open up a whole new can of worms... --------------------------------------------------------- So for me, the only potential suspects I come up with are Shizuka, Minamida, Tomoe and maybe Asami. Everybody else was either already dead, unconscious at the time, a victim of the murder in question, had no motive and no connection to the victims, or a shinigami allegedly bound by rules restricting them to only reaping souls, not freeing new ones. Rules are made to be broken, of course. Plus, we don't know if Saaya used her powers on anybody else (that bit is an annoying little variable that could produce any number of excuses for the actions of the cast members). I guess I'll have to re-read. I've been reading this manga since October of 2010 so I admit I don't remember all of the finer details simply due to the huge passage of time between chapters, so my logic is probably faulty somewhere. I welcome discusson :) |
GaidaiMar 18, 2013 7:57 AM
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| 3/10. Honestly, my mind is fucked after reading these few chapters. And the confusing plot along with the overall set up is just absurd. |
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| That was great, I had no idea the chapters were out. I actually kind of liked this ending for a manga that was pre-maturely ended. That being said, I have no fucking idea who the murderer is, but I think it has something to do with Saaya having to look over coma dude until he's dead, but aside from that I'll probably never figure it out, also, I can assume that the MC died at the end of the series. And you people speculated so much I can't be bother to read all that shit. XD Side note; if this was a "Bad Ending" for a manga, it did manage to spark a lot of conversation among the readers. EDIT: ..looking at the relationship pic at the end again, why the fuck does Prisoner Asami have info on the murderer..@>@ |
| What can I say... That was wonderfully underhanded. I can only applaud the author. |
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| Some fucker axed this series. I won't believe that the author purposely ended it this way. Leaving us with so few details to solve this seemingly unsolvable mystery is I think something that author wouldn't do. The series overall was great. Blame the publisher if they are really the ones killed this series for this ending. I have two conclusion as to what really happened on that day, but I am not convinced on my own conclusion.. yeah weird. Maybe one day, when I got the time to think and post some answers, I will post it here, but as of now... I'll be flipping some tables. |
| Dari14, linebreaks, please. I want to read your post, but my eyes are bleeding. |
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| Really really horrible ending. Somehow I got the feeling that the author wasn't trying for some sort of literary stunt, trying to get readers to solve the mystery. I got the feeling that the abrupt ending happened because the manga got canceled. Because years after the end of the last chapter, the author didn't come out and reveal the answer right? So that wasn't some sort of mystery game meant to raise publicity for the manga. It got axed, and he got lazy or fed up. So I am not going to bother trying to solve this mystery. I sincerely believe that the story was supposed to be played out for some more chapters with more clues added. Even with the four important clues given, there were still more questions left unanswered at the end. Is Shizuka going to die? What did the younger Minamida want with him? Why did the younger Minamida have the picture? And how? As things are right now, there are too many possibilities. Unless the author gets off his ass and tells us, maybe on his blog or whatever, we will never know who the real murderer is. Yes, it could be someone close to the father. Someone the father wanted to protect. And we could spend hours speculating but never find out who, because the manga was discontinued before the author could introduce this new character. And yes, it could also be possible that Shizuka was possessed by an evil spirit and committed the murders under the influence of spirit(?) and his memories was erased by one of the parents in order to protect his sanity. But who was the evil spirit? Author is not saying anything. And yes, the mother-possessed-by-evil-spirit theory is plausible too. But we would never know. Not unless the author bothers putting up a short story, at the very least, on his blog. *sigh* Great story so far. Until the end. I felt bad for the story when they introduced the "Six months passed" panel and the cell phone photo. They were going for a rushed cop-out ending. Because "six months passed" without any developments and suddenly there's this guy with a photo taken at the crime scene. |
| I'll just take this one as Azuma's unfinished novel. The theme was "Perfect Crime" after all so i guess it cannot be solved. |
| eeh.. damn .-. |
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