Sword Art Online (light novel)
| There has to be something I'm missing, because it can't be normal to fall in love with a comatose brother / cousin. Or a brother / cousin who just got out of a coma. Or a brother / cousin who was distant from absorbing himself in virtual reality video games before even going comatose. Going even further back, Suguha would be too young (at most 8) for actual romantic attraction. And this is all ignoring the Westermarck effect even though they were raised up together. Since we're talking about anime. From Japan. But the thing is that Suguha liking Kirito doesn't really make sense even if we ignore the fact that they are related and spent the first few years of their lives together. Did the LN explain this at all? Edit: Inb4 "because SAO is sexist." |
LunaNov 9, 2012 9:26 AM
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| Because SAO needed a generic incest romance mixed in with the 50 other girls who fall in love with Kirito for no real reason. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Because SAO needed a generic incest romance mixed in with the 50 other girls who fall in love with Kirito for no real reason. I wouldn't mind this being the case if there were any actual romance. Kirito isn't even remotely attracted to her. |
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| Because the writer thought that pandering to the incest crowd would improve sales and compensate for his lackluster writing? |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| Because Kirito a... Pretty Boy, a Computer Genius... He's a pretty boy... .... I can't do it even if I try... Serioulsy, what does Kirito have over other guys besides his pretty face? How is he so popular? |
AirStylesNov 8, 2012 5:05 PM
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| Coff* Self-insert. *Coff *Coff. |
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| Meta-reasons are great and all, but basically the answer is "no reason" if we're staying in-universe? |
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ataraxial said: Meta-reasons are great and all, but basically the answer is "no reason" if we're staying in-universe? In all seriousness the real reason IS because the author wanted to write in an incest part because that sort of thing has always sold well in Japan. In-story it's also, like I said, for the same reasons every other girl he's met has fallen in love with him - which, as you said, basically falls to "no reason" aside him being the main character...which in-universe would be 'no reason'. |
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ataraxial said: Meta-reasons are great and all, but basically the answer is "no reason" if we're staying in-universe? Exactly. Any sane person knows that there's no deep concept behind the "romance" aside from the fact that's it's cliche writing. |
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AirStyles said: Because Kirito a... Pretty Boy, a Computer Genius... He's a pretty boy... .... I can't do it even if I try... Serioulsy, what does Kirito have over other guys besides his pretty face? How is he so popular? That's it -n |
GrayArchon said: Nidhoeggr said: Because the writer thought that pandering to the incest crowd would improve sales and compensate for his lackluster writing? SAO was just some thing posted only on the authors website with no chance of profit when he wrote Fairy Dance. Basically the entire series was already written before he finally was in a position to actually profit from his writing. So saying such a base part of the story was only written to pander for profits is pretty silly. So the only other reasonable explanation is self insertion and gratification of sexual fantasies. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| Suguha confused her feelings for love in the beginning.She like Kazuto wanted to recover their relationship as brother and sister.His "devotion" to Asuna and how he was because she wasnt awake made her jealous and confused her. Later by meeting Kirito(who is the same person in everything) she starts to fall in love with him making her "love" her brother even more without realizing it. She first confirms her feelings for Kirito and later for Kazuto. Conclusion:Sugu is just a normal teen(if you take out the incest) that cant tell wtf she is feeling about the boy next to her be it Kirito or Kazuto. Also: KaiKatsuya said: AirStyles said: Because Kirito a... Pretty Boy, a Computer Genius... He's a pretty boy... .... I can't do it even if I try... Serioulsy, what does Kirito have over other guys besides his pretty face? How is he so popular? That's it -n |
Z-flame said: So, people can't be attracted to ordinary people? Nope. If you're attracted/in love with someone, that means the person is not ordinary in any way. Or are you telling me that you can fall in love with any random person you meet on the street? Because they're ordinary. |
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I'm not saying that, I don't have a problem with it at all, don't even care. AirStyles asked, I just answered |
ssjokg said: Later by meeting Kirito(who is the same person in everything) she starts to fall in love with him making her "love" her brother even more without realizing it. Man, I don't even know how that happened, it was too fast, just one episode. I'm not surprised though. |
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ssjokg said: Suguha confused her feelings for love in the beginning.She like Kazuto wanted to recover their relationship as brother and sister.His "devotion" to Asuna and how he was because she wasnt awake made her jealous and confused her. I think this is the closest we'll get to an actual explanation. I just checked the LN, and the first time the whole Suguha-liking-Kirito thing shows up is when Suguha is remembering her own reaction to Kirito talking about Asuna and feeling jealous and nervous. It being implied that she has always "liked" him romantically to some extent can just be attributed to the writer not doing a good job of developing this properly and realistically. |
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Niyawa said: ssjokg said: Later by meeting Kirito(who is the same person in everything) she starts to fall in love with him making her "love" her brother even more without realizing it. Man, I don't even know how that happened, it was too fast, just one episode. I'm not surprised though. I mean during the course of their adventures not when they met. |
ssjokg said: To "fall in love" with someone you met just a few days ago is pretty normal for teenagers(of both genders) "A few days ago". Don't you mean some hours after they've met? You can see in the episode that she practically was already over him while they were flying. The moment she takes of her "LoveGear" she is already distressed about whom she loves or not. |
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Niyawa said: ssjokg said: To "fall in love" with someone you met just a few days ago is pretty normal for teenagers(of both genders) "A few days ago". Don't you mean some hours after they've met? You can see in the episode that she practically was already over him while they were flying. The moment she takes of her "LoveGear" she is already distressed about whom she loves or not. Definitely possible to have a crush on someone you just met. Like within minutes if not seconds. |
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Niyawa said: ssjokg said: To "fall in love" with someone you met just a few days ago is pretty normal for teenagers(of both genders) "A few days ago". Don't you mean some hours after they've met? You can see in the episode that she practically was already over him while they were flying. The moment she takes of her "LoveGear" she is already distressed about whom she loves or not. All love at first sight man. Dunno what kind of pheromones Kirito was giving off to attract all those girls. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
BloodRequiem said: Niyawa said: ssjokg said: To "fall in love" with someone you met just a few days ago is pretty normal for teenagers(of both genders) "A few days ago". Don't you mean some hours after they've met? You can see in the episode that she practically was already over him while they were flying. The moment she takes of her "LoveGear" she is already distressed about whom she loves or not. All love at first sight man. Dunno what kind of pheromones Kirito was giving off to attract all those girls. Virtual pheromones. Lots of them. He is a beta tester and a cheater after all... and a supposed "computer genius." |
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ataraxial said: BloodRequiem said: Niyawa said: ssjokg said: To "fall in love" with someone you met just a few days ago is pretty normal for teenagers(of both genders) "A few days ago". Don't you mean some hours after they've met? You can see in the episode that she practically was already over him while they were flying. The moment she takes of her "LoveGear" she is already distressed about whom she loves or not. All love at first sight man. Dunno what kind of pheromones Kirito was giving off to attract all those girls. Virtual pheromones. Lots of them. He is a beta tester and a cheater after all... and a supposed "computer genius." Never saw the computer genius part. Did see gamebreaking hax sword part. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
Niyawa said: ssjokg said: To "fall in love" with someone you met just a few days ago is pretty normal for teenagers(of both genders) "A few days ago". Don't you mean some hours after they've met? You can see in the episode that she practically was already over him while they were flying. The moment she takes of her "LoveGear" she is already distressed about whom she loves or not. A crush isnt exactly what you call love. crush<really liking someone<teen love<love |
| You are forgetting something xial-kun, she was already in love with Kazuto. That's why is way unrealistic she falling in love with someone else she just met in a game with a couple of hours. Again, it's not impossible, but it is unrealistic. @ss-kun I know that, again, this is just a point of view. |
NiyawaNov 8, 2012 5:57 PM
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Niyawa said: You are forgetting someone xial-kun, she was already in love with Kazuto. That's why is way unrealistic she falling in love with someone else she just met in a game with a couple of hours. Again, it's not impossible, but it is unrealistic. But she wasnt truly in love with Kazuto yet. The one she fall in love inside the game is the same person she liked IRL.That made her love BOTH. ss-kun sounds a bit wrong.At least add the j so it wont sound like the nazi elite unit. |
ssjokg said: But she wasn't truly in love with Kazuto yet. I'm asking myself how I was supposed to know that. The anime makes clear she had a crush on him. |
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Niyawa said: You are forgetting someone xial-kun, she was already in love with Kazuto. That's why is way unrealistic she falling in love with someone else she just met in a game with a couple of hours. Again, it's not impossible, but it is unrealistic. Is xial-kun supposed to be me? That's a really awkward Easternization, to be honest. And yes, I do agree that it's a bit annoying that she's falling in love with Kirito when she already likes Kazuto. But doesn't it make sense that she's looking for someone else? A little unrealistic with the timing, maybe, but my original problem with the situation was that she hadn't gotten past her sibling-love-crush-thing with Kirito being comatose and all (since two years is plenty of time to find someone else she can have a normal romantic relationship with). Now she's finally "found" someone like a normal person would after realizing that the incest thing isn't going to be reciprocated. Except not. Oops. |
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| He's good with his sword. |
| To the OP, the two grew up together as you know so she has known Kirito her whole life. It is quite possible she acquired feelings for him during that time, not just when he was trapped in SAO or in this arc. |
LunaNov 9, 2012 9:13 AM
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| The question was "Why does Suguha like Kirito?". Not "Why does she like Kazuto?" |
LunaNov 9, 2012 9:13 AM
BloodRequiem said: . Computer genius as in he was obsessed with virtual reality games and stuff. It's hinted that he does more than just play them since his aunt/mother said something about his acquiring her love of computers. And if he got distant from Suguha and quit kendo simply by turning into a typical video game nerd, that would be a little sad. meepsheep said: The question was "Why does Suguha like Kirito?". Not "Why does she like Kazuto?" Actually, it would be more accurate as "Why does she like Kazuto?" since the question is more about him as the onii-chan if not as a whole person than just about his in-game elf self. It's just that most people know him as and refer to him as Kirito regardless of context. |
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whatever123456 said: It may be unrealistic, but love doesn't have to be realistic.And like I said, was pretty entertaining to read. It's indeed entertaining. But I was talking about consistency, that is what was lacking. |
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xuezhi said: Except that she didnt.She "fall in love" with him AFTER he woke up and she met Kirito.To the OP, the two grew up together as you know so she has known Kirito her whole life. It is quite possible she acquired feelings for him during that time, not just when he was trapped in SAO or in this arc. Niyawa said: ssjokg said: But she wasn't truly in love with Kazuto yet. I'm asking myself how I was supposed to know that. The anime makes clear she had a crush on him. I do realize that the anime fails to explain anything.The OP wanted an explanation which probably meant an explanation from the LN since the anime as you said had none.So I, from my first post to the last ,use LN info not anime. SAO isnt the first adaption that fails at giving out info ,where the fans are forced to use the original to explain things. |
LunaNov 9, 2012 9:14 AM
ssjokg said: Suguha confused her feelings for love in the beginning.She like Kazuto wanted to recover their relationship as brother and sister.His "devotion" to Asuna and how he was because she wasnt awake made her jealous and confused her. Later by meeting Kirito(who is the same person in everything) she starts to fall in love with him making her "love" her brother even more without realizing it. She first confirms her feelings for Kirito and later for Kazuto. Conclusion:Sugu is just a normal teen(if you take out the incest) that cant tell wtf she is feeling about the boy next to her be it Kirito or Kazuto. Pretty much this. Confused by her feelings for Kazuto between love and devotion aiming to recover their relationship as a brother and sister.. Because see how Kazuto suddenly changed and ignoring Saguha one day when they were young and as they grew up the distance grew as well but Saguha wanted to close that gap (because Kazuto found out the truth that their not real siblings too early at that time). and how suddenly hearing your parents say that your brother isn't your real sibling suddenly made everything she was feeling more complicated. |
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ssjokg said: I do realize that the anime fails ti explain anything.The OP wanted an explanation which probably meant an explanation from the LN since the anime as you said none.So I, from my first post to the last ,use LN info not anime. SAO isnt the first adaption that fails at giving out info where the fans are forced to use the original to explain things. As long as you understand. |
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ataraxial said: There has to be something I'm missing, because it can't be normal to fall in love with a comatose brother / cousin. Or a brother / cousin who just got out of a coma. Or a brother / cousin who was distant from absorbing himself in virtual reality video games before even going comatose. Going even further back, Suguha would be too young (at most 8) for actual romantic attraction. And this is all ignoring the Westermarck effect even though they were raised up together. Since we're talking about anime. From Japan. But the thing is that Suguha liking Kirito doesn't really make sense even if we ignore the fact that they are related and spent the first few years of their lives together. Did the LN explain this at all? Edit: Inb4 "because SAO is sexist." Yep they did, some people answered your question already.. don't know why the haters want to complicate things and just say whatever they want because they hate it to such an extent.. |
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meepsheep said: The question was "Why does Suguha like Kirito?". Not "Why does she like Kazuto?" Well, since they are one in the same they have the same characteristics. Wouldn't you like someone you just met who has the same characteristics as the person you do like? Also. it is easier for me to remember Kirito thank Kazuto. Most of the time when his name comes up in the LN it is Kirito, not Kazuto. |
LunaNov 9, 2012 9:15 AM
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omfgugay said: Yep they did, some people answered your question already.. don't know why the haters want to complicate things and just say whatever they want because they hate it to such an extent.. Are we reading the same thread? I don't see haters here. |
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Niyawa said: omfgugay said: Yep they did, some people answered your question already.. don't know why the haters want to complicate things and just say whatever they want because they hate it to such an extent.. Are we reading the same thread? I don't see haters here. Yeah, the closest to trolling/hate in this thread is probably the guy's username. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Because SAO needed a generic incest romance mixed in with the 50 other girls who fall in love with Kirito for no real reason. If you actually watched the show it's not anywhere near 50, and they do have a reason. SAO is not a harem, yet again. |
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vbyo said: SAO is not a harem, yet again. It is though. Discuss. |
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vbyo said: If you actually watched the show it's not anywhere near 50, and they do have a reason. SAO is not a harem, yet again. Can we leave the harem debate out of this thread? Also, off-topic, but why is my post count decreasing? I can't stand losing internet points. |
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ataraxial said: Also, off-topic, but why is my post count decreasing? I can't stand losing internet points. Your posts are being deleted maybe? I can't see another reason. |
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Niyawa said: vbyo said: SAO is not a harem, yet again. It is though. Discuss. I won't bring it into here, but when someone implies it is I can't help but argue the point. |
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Niyawa said: vbyo said: SAO is not a harem, yet again. It is though. Discuss. Lol okay. We can discuss it if you want. Can we just call it a semi-tasteful harem? Like without some of the negative connotations? But definitely multiple-girls-liking-a-single-guy nonetheless? Asuna and Kirito being an official couple hardly changes the fact that at least five girls have fallen to his pheromones. Niyawa said: Your posts are being deleted maybe? I can't see another reason. I guess so... I was just wondering if it's something that other people have seen happen a lot. |
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