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Poll: Katekyo Hitman Reborn! Chapter 409 Discussion


Nov 7, 2012 7:30 PM
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ARE YOU SERIOUS? whats with this sudden ending it basically resolved no problems introduced since the very beginning wow no conclusion to relationships no conclusion to vongola nothing was resolved just a sudden end what is this??!


Pretty much how I felt and to be honest I can only think up three reasons why an author would rush an ending like this:

1) They were told that they needed to end a series by a certain date which would mean they would have to rethink the ending they originally planned, shorten it, and therefore it would become rushed and bad unless the author was an uber amazing writer. The cause of this would most likely be low ratings, of course it could also be something personal as well (illness for example).

2) They are just a bad writer in general. For some reason I just don't get this vibe from Amano-sensei though. A lot of people felt that the series went downhill after the Future arc (some even say after the Varia arc) however I felt that the Mukuro arc, Varia arc, and Future arc were aimed at Tsuna's character growing stronger physically while the Inheritance and Arcobaleno arcs were more at emotional growth, as is seen by the maturity that Tsuna showed when he brought up the Primo when talking to Reborn and trying to convince him that he (Tsuna) wouldn't give up and also when he called the meeting to discuss the strategy for the fight. Anyways I'm straying from my point, I just don't feel that Amano is a bad writer.

3) The author plans for a sequel. Sequels don't happen very often in manga, then again I've watched more anime than I've read manga, still I've only come across one author that did a sequel (Takeshi Konomi), and since that's the only one I know of I'm going to use it as my point of comparison. A sequel can occur when a series reaches it's goal, in the Prince of Tennis Seigaku reached it's goal - winning nationals, in KHR Reborn was freed from the Arcobaleno curse (remember taking into account the title, the opening, and the ending, the focus of KHR was Reborn and his antics, not Tsuna even if he was the main character), but there is still room for character development. In the Prince of Tennis even though Seigaku won Natiionals Ryoma hasn't reached the peak of his growth, he is not as strong as he could be (Opening the doors for the New Prince of Tennis) in KHR's case Tsuna has not: A) Chosen a girl yet B) Become the Vongola 10th, or the Neo Vongola Primo as is pointed out at the end of the manga. At the end of the manga it's also stated that Tsuna hasn't changed at all except for the fact that he now has friends and has maybe grown a little stronger because of them.

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Anyways those are just the three possibilities as to why the ending could be rushed. Personally I think it's either 1 or 3 (2 isn't a contender for me because like I said I don't think Amano-sensei is a bad writer) and I'm leaning towards 1 because like I stated above sequels are rare and while I'm hoping for one it's much more likely the story and characters of KHR are done for good and Amano will move on to something new. Others may have different opinions though and I'd honestly like to hear them.
 
Nov 7, 2012 7:35 PM

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Annnd the end. Never thought I'd see Reborn on my completed list--I always thought that it'd be a mere pipe dream, though that might be a crazy exaggeration.

I don't know how I feel about this.

I'm glad it's finally over now before dragging on to infinity, but that was a rather stereotypical ending. Le poop.

Oh well. 9/10 I suppose.
 
Nov 7, 2012 7:58 PM

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I swear manga's that are published in WSJ have the most unsatisfied and rushed endings ever. At the least they should give like a bonus 40 page to let the author finish up more satisfyingly.
But overall I give this manga an 8/10. I liked the main concept of this whole series and where it goes with each arc but the execution just always fall short.
 
Nov 7, 2012 7:59 PM

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I give this manga either an 8.5 or a 9/10. Probably a 9/10. I really enjoyed it, a lot of people say it went down hill after the future arc. I don't think so. I really enjoyed the arcs after the future arc. The ending was alright too. It wasn't what I expected, but I'm still satisfied.
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Nov 7, 2012 8:03 PM

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;C Ending was sooo bad. Nothing was resolved... Wish the ending could have been wrapped up better... but "oh well".
I really enjoyed the overall story of KHR and really liked the chapters, character, and concepts... pretty much everything, up until the end. I'm gonna miss it, but it was a good read nonetheless. :)
 
Nov 7, 2012 8:18 PM

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Chapter 1: Tsuna is a loser, has to confess, no girlfriend, and not a mafia boss.

Chapter 409: Tsuna is still a loser, hasn't confessed at all, still no girlfriend, and didn't become a mafia boss. On the bright side, he now has friends...
 
Nov 7, 2012 8:44 PM

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bad ending.....
 
Nov 7, 2012 9:32 PM

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Such a disappointing ending... even I would probably had done better.. it feels so rushed lately.

The ending would had been better if it was like, for example, we see who Tsuna be with in the end (Kyoko or Haru) but he was friendzoned...

Or a better one, that a timeskip past, (say, 10 years). He accepts his destiny as the 10th Vongola. We see everyone older, as the Boss and the Guardians, looking at the clear view of their hometown, on top of somewhere.

Would had been done better in numerous ways..

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Nov 8, 2012 12:52 AM

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Obtained: Sucky ending.

KHR ended. Well, fuq this. /sobs

8/10
 
Nov 8, 2012 1:14 AM

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The manga was so epic but the mangaka basically ruined the ending -______-
i'll give this a 7/10 because the former arcs where so cool but then the last one just had to fail. -_____- this sucks
 
Nov 8, 2012 1:37 AM

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10/10 to 9.5/10 for me, minus 0.5 because of ending. Since I still loved Varia arc and the whole Future arc, which made up over most of the story, I am going to keep the score at 10 >.< I hope people who gave 10, don't go dropping it to 7 or 8 Dx at least keep it at 9.
 
Nov 8, 2012 1:38 AM
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- Little/No character development even by "battle-shonen" standards
- Rushed ending with a few holes remaining.
- Open ended, thus, basically incomplete.

The ending decides if it gets a + or - score.
The ending sucked, so its a -1 for me.
6/10 - Generous rating
 
Nov 8, 2012 2:44 AM

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And the score is still dropping, Amano you screwed up a lot. From 8.46 to 8.39 is actually a lot in only 2 days XD.
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Nov 8, 2012 2:46 AM
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So is this the last chapter?

http://www.mangahere.com/news/katekyo-hitman-reborn-manga-confirmed-to-end/

Says that the last one is in the 50th issue of jump on Nov 12th, is that wrong?
 
Nov 8, 2012 3:59 AM

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So is this the last chapter?

http://www.mangahere.com/news/katekyo-hitman-reborn-manga-confirmed-to-end/

Says that the last one is in the 50th issue of jump on Nov 12th, is that wrong?


Yes, it's completed, MAL has it as finished, the author confirmed it at the last page, ain't nothing more to confirm.
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Nov 8, 2012 5:56 AM

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I really hate endings like this... were the main character realizes that he had gathered all his friends and explaining it in the end.

7/10 for me.
 
Nov 8, 2012 6:38 AM
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Can't even express in words how sad and disappointed I am. I loved KHR to bits, even when it gave me less than satisfactory chapters. Now it's over and the end is the most rushed thing I've ever seen in my life.
 
Nov 8, 2012 8:18 AM

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Thank god this old and sickly dog was put down at last. Finishing it was a mercy.

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Chapter 1: Tsuna is a loser, has to confess, no girlfriend, and not a mafia boss.

Chapter 409: Tsuna is still a loser, hasn't confessed at all, still no girlfriend, and didn't become a mafia boss. On the bright side, he now has friends...


Pretty much this. He is a completely stagnant character outside of ongoing arcs. A very poor degree of writing.
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Nov 8, 2012 9:15 AM

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final chapter was a usual one.. like it ended just out of the blue... heh
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Nov 8, 2012 1:21 PM

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WHAT THE HELL THAT WAS THE ENDING!!!!!!???????

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Nov 8, 2012 2:21 PM

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One of my favorites, but agree on quality drop. Ill give it a 10/10, because all the good/awsome scenes outweigh the negatives. Now i hope they continue / finish the anime version, which i re-watch all the time. :D
 
Nov 8, 2012 5:05 PM

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I feel betrayed....
 
Nov 8, 2012 5:56 PM

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I'm feeling somewhat disappointed. That's it? Everything happened so fast and.. It felt really rushed. I'm so confused right now. ;_;
 
Nov 8, 2012 7:15 PM

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I agree with everyone, it ended too fast. At least, i would have expected to know if he decided to become the tenth...
 
Nov 8, 2012 9:46 PM

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I don't dislike the last arc that much; it was just the meaning behind it. The revelation behind the Vindice was cool though

Checkerface is just not a good character. He talks like the curses were justified, and in the end, after so many many many years, he deals with a change. Also, why is flame so important?

Who was a good villain honestly? Xanxus? Byakuran? Spade?

...maybe I'm hitting it too hard. Maybe it is genius?
 
Nov 8, 2012 10:36 PM

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About time Reborn ended.
Series gets a 5/10.
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Nov 9, 2012 3:22 AM

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A pretty decent ending but doesn't do the series justice to be honest. D: Really wish Tsuna actually became the next boss of the Vongola family. Would also have liked to seen a little time skip. Still liked the ending though, went back to it's original roots. It's usual comedy and all. :)

As a whole, KHR was a pretty awesome shounen manga. The art style was indeed pretty weird at first but eventually I got used to it. Loved seeing Tsuna in his Dying Will state but when he reverts back to normal I kinda get annoyed seeing him all useless. xD All the other Vongola members and even the Varia were so awesome though. Yamamoto and Squalo ftw!

 
Nov 9, 2012 4:33 AM

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One of my favorites, but agree on quality drop. Ill give it a 10/10, because all the good/awsome scenes outweigh the negatives. Now i hope they continue / finish the anime version, which i re-watch all the time. :D

^ This. I really wanted to see Enma being animated xD
 
Nov 9, 2012 4:51 AM

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Started a gag, strayed to mainstream, ended a gag. I'm actually glad that it ended.


I used to rate it as a masterpiece but it went downhill. The curse of arcobaleno arc really pulled the manga down.
 
Nov 9, 2012 5:55 AM

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Is it really over? I just don't belive it... After a sudden ending of arcobaleno arc and some rather boring chapters, I just couldn't understand that it's the end until I saw the last page... Well, I wasn't a big fan of this manga, but I really liked it...
 
Nov 9, 2012 5:30 PM

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Sudden ending is sudden :/
I suppose I should've seen it coming, since that last arc had this really nostalgic feeling.
 
Nov 9, 2012 7:40 PM

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http://www.mangareader.net/katekyo-hitman-reborn/393/8
Don't forget this chapter.
The character development on Tsuna was huge, now he's someone completely diferent.
The end is no ending, it's just a cliché way of finishing something quickly and probably was the best way of finishing it since she (The author) probably was running out of time.

It was a "meh" ending, just don't overeact and change your ratings because of this. The ending is importante for the rating, but the ending it's not these last 2~4 chapters but the whole last rainbow curse arc.
 
Nov 10, 2012 12:44 AM

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http://www.mangareader.net/katekyo-hitman-reborn/393/8
Don't forget this chapter.
The character development on Tsuna was huge, now he's someone completely diferent.
The end is no ending, it's just a cliché way of finishing something quickly and probably was the best way of finishing it since she (The author) probably was running out of time.

It was a "meh" ending, just don't overeact and change your ratings because of this. The ending is importante for the rating, but the ending it's not these last 2~4 chapters but the whole last rainbow curse arc.


Changed my rating because everything after the future arc was bullshit and kept adding plotholes after plotholes while degrading the few female characters existing in the series. It was shit and it deserves to be rated as such.
 
Nov 10, 2012 7:12 AM

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Worst ending to a manga I've ever read so far.
Tsuna didn't fucking change at all, he just reseted back like he always does at the end of arcs and then they even go and acknowledge that in the actual manga. But for some reason it's all fine and dandy that he didn't change anyways, because he has friends(which he's had for a long time now)! Haha, dear god this shit fucking sucked.

Reborn was an awesome character until the very end though so he's the redeeming factor of this pile of vomit, despite some irrational things Amano had him spout for this shit ending to come true.
Overall this crap gets a 3/10 from me, so glad it's dead and over with now.
 
Nov 10, 2012 10:41 PM

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What i'm saying is just to don't overeact about the ending because the ending it's a small part of a whole. Even the last chapter was a small part of an ending. Of course none of you have to be rational, we are all free to rate as we please, but if we want our point of view to have some value, then we can't rage about something that didn't went as we were expecting. Jesus, it's just something to entertain you, if you don't like it i don't know why you kept Reading until the end. Reminds me of the rage about the TOBITO revelation.
 
Nov 11, 2012 5:24 AM

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I'm not raging though. If anything I pity those who held on to any hope of the series recovering. As for why I kept up with it, it's that whole trainwreck magnetic pull. Would've been nice if I would've been proven wrong but in the end I was not.
 
Nov 11, 2012 11:14 AM

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FUCK THIS SHIT.

F'kin horrible (ノ ಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

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Nov 13, 2012 9:40 AM

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Mediocre ending but I enjoyed most of the manga, especially the future arc. 8/10.
 
Nov 13, 2012 11:02 AM
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can't believe reborn ended, oh well I would love to get an extension of the previous anime.
 
Nov 13, 2012 2:20 PM
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Wow, so it's finally over...always sad to see one of my favorite manga end.

This final chapter could have ended a little better imho though, I would have preferred to see TYL Tsuna as well or something, with him as the boss.
The fact that nothing really changed in the end after all the trials he faced...except he has friends....I'm not happy with but I'm not surprised...I expected a rushed ending.

Still I'm going to keep my overall rating at 8/10. I won't let my hate of the last chapter overcloud what I think about manga in it's entirety~

Will have to find a new weekly manga to replace it now...
 
Nov 14, 2012 9:38 AM

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Last arc was terrible the Shimon arc was better than that. I just wish they would have actually shown him develop into Vongola 10th and accept his role for his friends. One thing that irritates me is that this whole time they've been pushing the TsunaxKyoko thing and putting Haru on the backburner but at the end they want to make Tsuna finally see her as a love interest wtf. There was so much potential for this manga coming out of the Future arc (not saying that that arc was entirely good) and then it just kept getting worse and just disappointed me but it was still enjoyable all the way through 7/10
 
Nov 14, 2012 8:27 PM

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What i'm saying is just to don't overeact about the ending because the ending it's a small part of a whole.

Completly wrong. Endings can change everything. Don't believe me? Take a look at Usagi drops ending and try to tell me that didn't change the whole manga.
So let's look at this ending. Everything was builting up to the point where Tsuna finally accepts his destiny and improves himself. All that was needed to make this a decent end was to have him accept being the Tenth and confess to the girl he loves. However even this ending went out of it's way to point out that Tsuna has not changed at all and without reborn he is worthless. Not only that, it didn't tie up the romance either. Conclusion? This entire manga has been rendered completly pointless. The future arc? The Varia arc? Didn't matter if they happen at all. There was no result. You can't just push that away and say it's only an ending.

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JPKK said:
What i'm saying is just to don't overeact about the ending because the ending it's a small part of a whole.

Completly wrong. Endings can change everything. Don't believe me? Take a look at Usagi drops ending and try to tell me that didn't change the whole manga.
So let's look at this ending. Everything was builting up to the point where Tsuna finally accepts his destiny and improves himself. All that was needed to make this a decent end was to have him accept being the Tenth and confess to the girl he loves. However even this ending went out of it's way to point out that Tsuna has not changed at all and without reborn he is worthless. Not only that, it didn't tie up the romance either. Conclusion? This entire manga has been rendered completly pointless. The future arc? The Varia arc? Didn't matter if they happen at all. There was no result. You can't just push that away and say it's only an ending.


Precisely!
 
Nov 15, 2012 1:45 PM
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8/10
Somewhat shocked when I heard it ended..
 
Nov 15, 2012 2:51 PM

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AidanAK47 said:
JPKK said:
What i'm saying is just to don't overeact about the ending because the ending it's a small part of a whole.

Completly wrong. Endings can change everything. Don't believe me? Take a look at Usagi drops ending and try to tell me that didn't change the whole manga.
So let's look at this ending. Everything was builting up to the point where Tsuna finally accepts his destiny and improves himself. All that was needed to make this a decent end was to have him accept being the Tenth and confess to the girl he loves. However even this ending went out of it's way to point out that Tsuna has not changed at all and without reborn he is worthless. Not only that, it didn't tie up the romance either. Conclusion? This entire manga has been rendered completly pointless. The future arc? The Varia arc? Didn't matter if they happen at all. There was no result. You can't just push that away and say it's only an ending.


Precisely!


Good to see that not every KHR reader is a brainless fangirl who closes her eyes and accept everything without question. People care about rating but they can't/don't wanna see the plot holes.
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Nov 17, 2012 8:51 AM

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The last arc was really good..but the way it ended was sloppy. :/ It was good that the truth about Kawahira is settled and all but his identity is still problematic(he definitely gives off the aura of a villain and him turning out to be harmless is unsettling). Also, Tsuna did not even accept the 10th gen boss title! i want to see him finally accept it but oh well. And I haven't confirmed yet if mammon is a girl or a boy! gah. but i believe he's a he. hahaha

farewell Reborn! You're still one of my favorite manga of all time :)
 
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What the hell? What kind of ending is that? What about the mystery behind Hibari's parents? What about the character development?

None of the female characters had any development and Tsuna is still Dame-Tsuna! I was hoping for a cool ending with him finally accepting his role and becoming a total badass to prove to everyone else what he's really capable of. And most importantly... TYL Tsuna's FACE! Why couldn't you at least give us that Amano?! Why...?

Sayonara Reborn. Even though you had the worst ending ever, you're still my favourite manga series. I'll miss you Hibari! *cries*

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The final chapter was kinda.... how should i name it... shit?
The final chapter could have been longer and so much better, thought it would have had a better end but yeah... worst manga ending ever i guess.
 
Nov 21, 2012 8:15 PM

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Well that was disappointing.
 
Nov 22, 2012 11:58 AM

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Wait so... it's over? I've been checking these last two weeks waiting for more chapters because it did not seem like an ending at all. Given how much I loved this manga, I'm very disappointed. There were so many things that weren't explained and it's just terrible. ):
 
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