Sword Art Online (light novel)
| Okay so I watched through the First Arc and a little bit of the Second Arc and I feel really confused about death in the series. So Here are my questions; 1. Okay, you know how a player dies in the game they die in real life right? Well, Kirito died and also Asuna in the last boss battle. Yet Kirito woke up and Asuna didn't? Why is this? 2. There were about (don't quote me on this) about 300 people in Asuna's situation that didn't wake up either but not actually died. ???? This part is confusing me also. 3. This may be related to question 2 but - Why didn't the 300 people actualy die die. Why are they in this coma state? I thought they were meant to be DEAD. Yeah Umm thats it. Sorry about annoying questions but I thought I centralize the questions instead of going through 55+ pages of different episode threads to find the answers. Hope that all is good. |
| If you watch episode 17 it's all explained. :D |
jjrocks24 said: i might not be correct but asuna was linked to ALO instead of waking up like kirito. As you can see she's in ALO in episode 17. same goes for the other 300. i dont know why though Ahhh okay that makes heaps sense. But didn't Kirito Die? Or did he kill the boss (creator) JUST in time for the boss to die first, then he died. The game is cleared so he is void of dying???? ^___^; |
hyperkittyOct 29, 2012 5:21 PM
Kirito-Dragneel said: If you watch episode 17 it's all explained. :D Will do :D :D |
hyperkitty said: jjrocks24 said: i might not be correct but asuna was linked to ALO instead of waking up like kirito. As you can see she's in ALO in episode 17. same goes for the other 300. i dont know why though Ahhh okay that makes heaps sense. But didn't Kirito Die? Or did he kill the boss (creator) JUST in time for the boss to die first, then he died. The game is cleared so he is void of dying ^___^ Well you answered it yourself.XD |
| The answer is bad writing. |
Thelostcup said: Or you have to pay attention to the show.The answer is bad writing. |
ssjokg said: Ahhh okay that makes heaps sense. But didn't Kirito Die? Or did he kill the boss (creator) JUST in time for the boss to die first, then he died. The game is cleared so he is void of dying ^___^ Well you answered it yourself.XD AMG! I did just answer my question Fail whale. Well now I know about the Kirito Death situation ^_^; |
| Is the bad adaption. Kirito throghts: "Kayaba said me and Asuna cleared the game together... So, Asuna is alive too ? Yuuki Asuna..." |
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| 1. Asuna died, but remember the revival item that can only revive a person 10 minutes after death? Asuna "survived" because Kirito managed to clear the game before her 10 minutes to death. Kirito survived because he killed Heathcliff before he died. 2. Explained in the latest episode, 300 survivors including Asuna were filtered and transferred into a different server. 3. These 300 people were also survivors of SAO, meaning that they were alive when the game was cleared by Kirito. Because they were only transferred to a different server they still retain the same "comatose" condition. |
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kaimax said: 3. These 300 people were also survivors of SAO, meaning that they were alive when the game was cleared by Kirito. Because they were only transferred to a different server they still retain the same "comatose" condition. I wonder what the other 299 people are doing now in the ALO game.... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Leojg said: The books, the books will guide you to wisdrom Pretty much. Anime isn't doing a great job of explaining the minor details and making the characters look a lot worse personality wise than they actually are. |
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symbv said: kaimax said: 3. These 300 people were also survivors of SAO, meaning that they were alive when the game was cleared by Kirito. Because they were only transferred to a different server they still retain the same "comatose" condition. I wonder what the other 299 people are doing now in the ALO game.... We can only assume they're stuck like Asuna without a logout button Question is why aren't they being loud and ask for help from the ALO players? Unless of course, they're all isolated lab-rats like our little damsel in distress Asuna. Well.. We'll have to wait for them to explain. |
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inb4whoisthis said: kaimax said: 1. Asuna died, but remember the revival item that can only revive a person 10 minutes after death? Asuna "survived" because Kirito managed to clear the game before her 10 minutes to death. Kirito survived because he killed Heathcliff before he died. But wasn't the revival item given to Klein instead? Not to mention it was given to him a long time ago. It wouldn't really make sense to me if he still didn't use it around that time. What kaimax meant was that the revival item outlined the fact that the nerve gear wouldn't automatically fry the brain, since it had a time limit of a few seconds after a person's death to work. |
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AirStyles said: We can only assume they're stuck like Asuna without a logout button Question is why aren't they being loud and ask for help from the ALO players? Unless of course, they're all isolated lab-rats like our little damsel in distress Asuna. Well.. We'll have to wait for them to explain. |
Scrypt said: AirStyles said: We can only assume they're stuck like Asuna without a logout button Question is why aren't they being loud and ask for help from the ALO players? Unless of course, they're all isolated lab-rats like our little damsel in distress Asuna. Well.. We'll have to wait for them to explain. I don't remember the anime answered it. |
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AirStyles said: I don't remember the anime answered it. i doubt it will either till around the last 2 episodes(whereabouts of the missing 300 spartans that is)...at the moment it's a guessing game for non-LN readers and fodder for SAO haters to state another 'supposed' plot hole.... |
HibiChouchou said: It did in episode 17 when Sugou explain the situation to Asuna and they even animate the diagram of "How unlucky people got stuck in SAO." It's pretty obvious that they were kept secretly so they couldn't run wildly and talk to other ALO players about the human experiment and stuffs. I remember that part well but my question is more like how they are being trapped. A bunch of bird cages? All hanging on top of the World-Tree? What kind of appearances do they take? Or they are just frozen without consciousness somewhere in the system? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
HibiChouchou said: It did in episode 17 when Sugou explain the situation to Asuna and they even animate the diagram of "How unlucky people got stuck in SAO." It's pretty obvious that they were kept secretly so they couldn't run wildly and talk to other ALO players about the human experiment and stuffs. And it's pretty much obvious that ALO was created as a virtual game just to hide what Sugou did. The people didn't expect that 300 players of SAO were being kept in ALO, because ALO was created 1 year before SAO players escaped. It's not that hard, human have a brain, don't they? it's not about whether humans have brains or not. It's about them actually covering things that are necessary. We simply don't know where those peeps are. We can make guesses, but the actual answers are not given, and there's more than several possibilities. Unless they answer it in the future episode, we simply won't know what happen to the other 299. Were they locked inside a dungeon? Or inside birdcages? Were they experimented on using supposed brain control? Were they set under certain conditions that they just can't overcome?( Are majority of them just got left at a "You are dead" screen until they'll be experiemented on? Less than 10 seconds of screen time, a short dialog and a still image of the "299" is more than enough to cover it. Or... The anime director forgot/ignores it? |
AirStylesOct 30, 2012 2:16 AM
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HibiChouchou said: AirStyles said: HibiChouchou said: It did in episode 17 when Sugou explain the situation to Asuna and they even animate the diagram of "How unlucky people got stuck in SAO." It's pretty obvious that they were kept secretly so they couldn't run wildly and talk to other ALO players about the human experiment and stuffs. And it's pretty much obvious that ALO was created as a virtual game just to hide what Sugou did. The people didn't expect that 300 players of SAO were being kept in ALO, because ALO was created 1 year before SAO players escaped. It's not that hard, human have a brain, don't they? it's not about whether humans have brains or not. It's about them actually covering things that are necessary. We simply don't know where those peeps are. We can make guesses, but the actual answers are not given, and there's more than several possibilities. Unless they answer it in the future episode, we simply won't know what happen to the other 299. Were they locked inside a dungeon? Or inside birdcages? Were they experimented on using supposed brain control? Were they set under certain conditions that they just can't overcome? Are majority of them just got left at a "You are dead" screen until they'll be experiemented on? Or... The anime director forgot/ignores it? That kind of stuff is not a plot hole, it doesn't need to be explained. Have you ever wondered where US government keep the war prisoners/terrorists? The necessary things at this moment in SAO are: _ 300 SAO player were stuck in ALO when they escaped SAO including Asuna. _ They were experimented on as it explained by Sugou. Where ? It's a secret place, nobody knows except Sugou and his team (as he said before, only his team involved in this experiment). It wouldn't be a secret place anymore if they tell you where he kept those SAO players. And that is not "a plot hole." I don't remember calling it a plot hole. |
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HibiChouchou said: Where they were kept, whether inside a dungeon or a birdcages is not necessary for us to know. Or should I say, these questions you've just asked aren't necessary for us to know. And it doesn't affect on the progress of the story. I know that it is not necessary for us to know. I just raised it as a curious question. Your replies have not been helping much in terms of answering that question though. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Obstinate said: inb4whoisthis said: kaimax said: 1. Asuna died, but remember the revival item that can only revive a person 10 minutes after death? Asuna "survived" because Kirito managed to clear the game before her 10 minutes to death. Kirito survived because he killed Heathcliff before he died. But wasn't the revival item given to Klein instead? Not to mention it was given to him a long time ago. It wouldn't really make sense to me if he still didn't use it around that time. What kaimax meant was that the revival item outlined the fact that the nerve gear wouldn't automatically fry the brain, since it had a time limit of a few seconds after a person's death to work. Yes, this is correct. There is a lag, albeit small, b/w the HP dropping to 0 and death in the real world from the Nerve Gear. I am pretty sure though that the revival item can only be used within 5 seconds of HP dropping to zero. Don't quote me on that though since I don't remember 100%. |
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symbv said: HibiChouchou said: It did in episode 17 when Sugou explain the situation to Asuna and they even animate the diagram of "How unlucky people got stuck in SAO." It's pretty obvious that they were kept secretly so they couldn't run wildly and talk to other ALO players about the human experiment and stuffs. I remember that part well but my question is more like how they are being trapped. A bunch of bird cages? All hanging on top of the World-Tree? What kind of appearances do they take? Or they are just frozen without consciousness somewhere in the system? All this gets answered later, probably next episode or two. If you can't wait then there is a spoiler from a previous poster although that takes the fun out of it. |
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xuezhi said: Obstinate said: inb4whoisthis said: kaimax said: 1. Asuna died, but remember the revival item that can only revive a person 10 minutes after death? Asuna "survived" because Kirito managed to clear the game before her 10 minutes to death. Kirito survived because he killed Heathcliff before he died. But wasn't the revival item given to Klein instead? Not to mention it was given to him a long time ago. It wouldn't really make sense to me if he still didn't use it around that time. What kaimax meant was that the revival item outlined the fact that the nerve gear wouldn't automatically fry the brain, since it had a time limit of a few seconds after a person's death to work. Yes, this is correct. There is a lag, albeit small, b/w the HP dropping to 0 and death in the real world from the Nerve Gear. I am pretty sure though that the revival item can only be used within 5 seconds of HP dropping to zero. Don't quote me on that though since I don't remember 100%. Time to revive is 10 seconds according to ep. 3. So it could not help. I guess they were just treated specially by Heathcliff/Akihiko as they cleared the game. But anyway that last episode was awful with lot of miracles happening =( |
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sarchon said: xuezhi said: Obstinate said: inb4whoisthis said: kaimax said: 1. Asuna died, but remember the revival item that can only revive a person 10 minutes after death? Asuna "survived" because Kirito managed to clear the game before her 10 minutes to death. Kirito survived because he killed Heathcliff before he died. But wasn't the revival item given to Klein instead? Not to mention it was given to him a long time ago. It wouldn't really make sense to me if he still didn't use it around that time. What kaimax meant was that the revival item outlined the fact that the nerve gear wouldn't automatically fry the brain, since it had a time limit of a few seconds after a person's death to work. Yes, this is correct. There is a lag, albeit small, b/w the HP dropping to 0 and death in the real world from the Nerve Gear. I am pretty sure though that the revival item can only be used within 5 seconds of HP dropping to zero. Don't quote me on that though since I don't remember 100%. Time to revive is 10 seconds according to ep. 3. So it could not help. I guess they were just treated specially by Heathcliff/Akihiko as they cleared the game. But anyway that last episode was awful with lot of miracles happening =( Dont count the seconds with how the anime showed it.Many times in adaptions a single moment looks like it took many seconds to happen. |
Leojg said: Asuna suvrived becouse of the following reasons(in my opinion): 1- Akihiko-Heathcliff promised kirito that he would prevent Asuna to die, at least for a time, maybe he disabled the Asuna's nervgear "killershock" option and since he was the admin he can do such. 2- Also, being the admin, he can make another revival item whenever he wants, so its posible that he had make one and used to revive asuna. 3- Since Asuna death was rigth before the end of the game, is posible that the "kill singal" did not activate. It can be deduced that from the ingame death to the real life death there is a time span of 10 minutes(the period of time while the revival item can be used). it is 10 secs. Also I too believe in the first and third theory but the second is impossible .We see Kayaba doing nothing during that time.Both he and Sugou need to move their hands or speak their commands even if they are the admins. |
ssjokg said: hyperkitty said: jjrocks24 said: i might not be correct but asuna was linked to ALO instead of waking up like kirito. As you can see she's in ALO in episode 17. same goes for the other 300. i dont know why though Ahhh okay that makes heaps sense. But didn't Kirito Die? Or did he kill the boss (creator) JUST in time for the boss to die first, then he died. The game is cleared so he is void of dying ^___^ Well you answered it yourself.XD hahahah so true |
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| Lol, why do I keep remembering the Time of deahs as 10 minutes... >_> Cause it felt "longer" that 10 seconds? lol |
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kaimax said: Lol, why do I keep remembering the Time of deahs as 10 minutes... >_> Cause it felt "longer" that 10 seconds? lol I think it really differ from people to people. Asuna's definitely last longer than 10 seconds. While those cannon fodder just... Boss Slash "Uwwaaaahhh" *fly* Before they even land on the ground. *Shatter in pieces* |
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AirStyles said: kaimax said: Lol, why do I keep remembering the Time of deahs as 10 minutes... >_> Cause it felt "longer" that 10 seconds? lol I think it really differ from people to people. Asuna's definitely last longer than 10 seconds. While those cannon fodder just... Boss Slash "Uwwaaaahhh" *fly* Before they even land on the ground. *Shatter in pieces* The 10 secs rule is from the moment the HP reaches 0 and the body shatters till the NervGear sends the signal to fry the brain,not when the HP is getting close to 0. LN: But yeah the fact that all the other players(except Kuradeel,the knight in ep2,and Godfree maybe) were going *poof* is true. |
AirStyles said: I think it really differ from people to people. Asuna's definitely last longer than 10 seconds. While those cannon fodder just... Boss Slash "Uwwaaaahhh" *fly* Before they even land on the ground. *Shatter in pieces* I don't think it would be different from person to person. That would make absolutely no sense from a programming stand point. It is incredibly inefficient to write up a different dying algorithm for each player in SAO. For a game as large as SAO, the same dying algorithm should be used for each person. I think the reason Asuna survived was either because Kayaba wanted to fulfill his promise to Kirito on preventing Asuna from dying or Kirito beat Kayba before the 10s lag b/w HP reaching zero and brain getting fried by Nerve Gear. ssjokg has the correct explanation for the revival item from the LN. The time is 10s, which I remembered wrong as 5s =.= |
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xuezhi said: AirStyles said: I think it really differ from people to people. Asuna's definitely last longer than 10 seconds. While those cannon fodder just... Boss Slash "Uwwaaaahhh" *fly* Before they even land on the ground. *Shatter in pieces* I don't think it would be different from person to person. That would make absolutely no sense from a programming stand point. It is incredibly inefficient to write up a different dying algorithm for each player in SAO. For a game as large as SAO, the same dying algorithm should be used for each person. I think the reason Asuna survived was either because Kayaba wanted to fulfill his promise to Kirito on preventing Asuna from dying or Kirito beat Kayba before the 10s lag b/w HP reaching zero and brain getting fried by Nerve Gear. ssjokg has the correct explanation for the revival item from the LN. The time is 10s, which I remembered wrong as 5s =.= In the anime everyone except the important chars was shattering the moment he/she got critically hit.Not the writer's fault. |
ssjokg said: In the anime everyone except the important chars was shattering the moment he/she got critically hit.Not the writer's fault. Yup, it is because those characters are not really important to the series. The producers probably did that to save time to concentrate on the important parts. I have to say, the anime did not do a very good job at a lot of things for SAO, but ehhh I still like animation and sounds. |
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Takuan_Soho said: A very real possibility is that when Heathcliff removed his "immortal object" classification, he also disabled the kill function at the same time. This is why all three were able to survive to watch the fall of Aincard. While Healtcliff always intended to die with the end of the game, he wanted to see the end of the game, and he had some post-life plans he wanted to achieve. I highly doubt that. |
ssjokg said: Takuan_Soho said: A very real possibility is that when Heathcliff removed his "immortal object" classification, he also disabled the kill function at the same time. This is why all three were able to survive to watch the fall of Aincard. While Healtcliff always intended to die with the end of the game, he wanted to see the end of the game, and he had some post-life plans he wanted to achieve. I highly doubt that. But I think he is on to something in the "post-life plans" part. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
AiCon said: symbv said: You know Heathcliff could've programmed something extra into Kirito and Asuna's headgear just like he gave Kirito his duel-wield ability. He always knew that Kirito and Asuna were special and I think that he knew that if anyone would beat him it would be Kirito.ssjokg said: Takuan_Soho said: A very real possibility is that when Heathcliff removed his "immortal object" classification, he also disabled the kill function at the same time. This is why all three were able to survive to watch the fall of Aincard. While Healtcliff always intended to die with the end of the game, he wanted to see the end of the game, and he had some post-life plans he wanted to achieve. I highly doubt that. But I think he is on to something in the "post-life plans" part. Actually Kirito did beat him once already. Wonder why he could not do the same again... Why all those miracles were needed really... |
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sarchon said: Actually Kirito did beat him once already. Wonder why he could not do the same again... Why all those miracles were needed really... When Heathcliff beat Kirito the first time, he had not seen the "miracle" of Asuna followed by the "miracle" of Kirito. My understanding is that once he'd seen those and realized human ability could go beyond the confines of his design, he accepted that it is time to end this world of his design. That means him accepting end of his mortal life too. But of courseas Takuan_Soho said, he might "have some post-life plans he wanted to achieve" too - anyway to him Aincrad is never an end to itself and he never meant to stay in it forever lording over thousands of trapped souls. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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