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Jul 20, 2016 4:43 PM

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Ok episode. Surprised to find that Sugu is Leafa. Dame she will be disappointed again :/ also the last since man that bast*rd needs to die
 
Jul 24, 2016 6:55 PM

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Sooooo....how does it just so happen that the NerveGear is also capable of altering human memories, which was an experiment designed exclusively by RECT employees, long after the release of Sword Art Online? Can someone explain this to me? Even if it includes spoilers.

Without an explanation, it just seems implausible and headache-y to play along with.

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Jul 25, 2016 10:08 AM

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Brain torture using sensorial stimuli.
 
Jul 25, 2016 11:15 AM

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Lap1 said:

Brain torture using sensorial stimuli.


That's impossible. He said that he would be able to ALTER human memories. From what I can interpret from your explanation, you're suggesting that a simple change in your immediate surroundings has the capability to destroy and replace the very neurons that contain memories. It must have something to do with the waves that the NerveGear used to transmit to kill users who died in Sword Art Online...
 
Jul 25, 2016 12:41 PM

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primaltare said:
Lap1 said:

Brain torture using sensorial stimuli.


That's impossible. He said that he would be able to ALTER human memories. From what I can interpret from your explanation, you're suggesting that a simple change in your immediate surroundings has the capability to destroy and replace the very neurons that contain memories. It must have something to do with the waves that the NerveGear used to transmit to kill users who died in Sword Art Online...

No it's more like overwriting, they were trying to turn people into puppets, trying to break their minds and build a new person easier to manipulate, like those CIA-FBI methods but with virtual water and stuff.

The test subjects were in a very receptive dreaming state, they were confident they could brainwash them and even recreate them using mindbreaks and fake dreams.

The waves are just the wi-fi link between brain and computer, it is used to convey informations.
 
Jul 29, 2016 5:41 PM

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Lap1 said:
primaltare said:


That's impossible. He said that he would be able to ALTER human memories. From what I can interpret from your explanation, you're suggesting that a simple change in your immediate surroundings has the capability to destroy and replace the very neurons that contain memories. It must have something to do with the waves that the NerveGear used to transmit to kill users who died in Sword Art Online...

No it's more like overwriting, they were trying to turn people into puppets, trying to break their minds and build a new person easier to manipulate, like those CIA-FBI methods but with virtual water and stuff.

The test subjects were in a very receptive dreaming state, they were confident they could brainwash them and even recreate them using mindbreaks and fake dreams.

The waves are just the wi-fi link between brain and computer, it is used to convey informations.

I don't see how you come to those sorts of conclusions. First off, it was never explained how he supposedly "overwrites" and "erases" prexisting memories. Second, it was never shown either. Reference these:
http://everythingwrongwithsao.tumblr.com/post/125755851923/118-sugous-mind-and-memory-controlling
http://operationrainfall.com/2012/11/01/sword-art-online-ep-17-captive-queen/
 
Jul 30, 2016 2:38 AM

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By sending informations and manipulating emotions using the fulldive system. If he can play with the rewarding system on one hand and induce traumatic informations on the other hand he might effectively be able to do interesting things.
 
Aug 3, 2016 10:00 PM

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He can alter memories, noo. Don't do that with Asuna or Kiritu :c
 
Nov 22, 2016 3:13 AM

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is this becoming some sort of asuna rape anime now? -.-
I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.
 
Nov 22, 2016 3:57 AM
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is this becoming some sort of asuna rape anime now? -.-
At least it shows it as motivated by power rather than sex. People commonly assume the latter when its really the former so I am glad they are being accurate in the portrayal of motivations at least.
 
Jan 10, 2017 8:58 PM
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Way to ruin the works of Shakespeare.
 
Mar 19, 2017 10:35 AM

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The 1st part and 2nd half part is awesome and amazing episode, but I skip and disappointed that Fairy King Oberon/Suguo caught Asuna in the Alfheim World. Overall, I loved the episode.

9/10 scores
 
Apr 1, 2017 7:57 PM

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muito bom. fiquei com pena de asuna :(
o(≧o≦)o Kimi o miteru to itsu mo HAATO DOKI DOKI
。。 Yureru omoi wa MASHUMARO mitai ni fuwa fuwa (✪㉨✪)
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May 14, 2017 8:51 AM

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So far I don't like this arc as much as the former, this whole rescue mission thing isn't so appealing in this case. And Sugou is a boring prototype villain, the scene where he explained his whole plan was just *rolling my eyes*.
"Are my father and little brother dead too?"

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Nov 12, 2017 1:27 PM

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Be honest with me... what happens in this episode? Besides talking and talking and talking, nothing happens. It's just tons of infodump in your face, everything explained to the viewer in the most basic, simplistic and boring manner possible. The villain explaining his plan to his victim... tsc tsc tsc. I can't stand this anymore. 1/5
 
Nov 20, 2017 3:32 AM

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So now Kirito’s personality is “slightly snarky generic guy” and apparently his previous brooding self was just momentary. He’s basically gotten over everything that allegedly defined him, making this story kinda void on a character level. Not that I particuarly care – though SAO’s finest moments are its little slice-of-life digressions, but adventures are much better with articulated character arcs, than just pretending Kirito has a personality and then contradicting that with his actions. I just wish that at least Suguha's arc (which is acutally Leafa ingame, big shocker I know) will be better articulated than Kirito's, though being a girl doesn't give me much hope.

But luckly we still have Sugou, and when he gets on the scene it's always a riot. And his ingame clothes are just the best: neon translucent butterfly wings, with helmets for his elf ears, and his hair eating his crown with a bowtie on it. So great they got Dio for this role. He's extremely campy but also nonthreatening in "molesting" Asuna. I know it's pretty gross of him keeping a girl trapped in a literal birdcage, but the way Sugou tries to moles Asuna is just so childish it's impossible to take seriously. “Better get there fast, Kirito, or I might slightly caress your girlfriend's tit! Ohhhhh, so scary!" I assume this is supposed to make me hate this character, but it really only makes me feel sorry for this writer. “Aw jeez, I can’t use the death-game threat anymore? I know, I’ll put the female protagonist in a cage and imply she’s about to get raped but I'm too scared to actually commit to this so I'm going to stop moments before the rape!” Kawahara is both gross and so pathetic that he thinks almost touching a boob is the height of villany, so the scene degrades immediately into comedy.

Though I admit that not being able to write a "damsel in distress gets raped by the villain" plot, one of the oldest, laziest, and cheapest narratives in the history of all plots is pretty hilarious to me and that's why I'll keep on watching this.
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