Accel World Episode 24 Discussion

Oh wow! So the reason she became his healer was to get the wings back! Because when your ability can both heal and repair, the logical conclusion must be that you are actually rewinding time, and definitely not that your healing also comes with a mending effect. It all makes total sense, guys!

Urgh

1. It's not that she's wrong, it's that she SHOULD be wrong

2. Why tf is there no skill description in this game? Like, wtf? Not explaining any game mechanics to its players is already bad enough, but not explaining the heart and soul of any fighting game that is the character skills? This is the shittiest game of all time, and the only reason anyone would take it seriously at all is for the ability to burst link. The bad guy was right all along.

3. What would she do if her final heal weren't enough to get the wings? Hamboy would have been utterly fucked

4. Why not just keep "healing" hamboy until he gets to the point before he loses his wings?

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To be frank, this show is what I wished SAO was. The plot is every bit as stupid, but at least the characters and the concept of brain burst are out there enough that it's actually fun to hate-watch for a laugh. Plus, the fights are way cooler.

@JustMonaka

1. the abilities they get are tied to their traumas/desires, Lime Bell is obsessed with the past and her wish is to turn time back to the way things were in the past, that is mentioned countless times in the anime before she gets her avatar, surprise surprise her avatar's special ability is to turn back time, who could've seen it coming, no, for sure it was just some generic healing because this is totally just a game and not a cover for an alternate digital world

2. each character change counts as a step forward, her ability is to reverse current builds to earlier configs, Dusk Taker changes his build on the fly all the time with the stored abilities and it's HIS build's ability to STEAL abilities, in order to reverse that, you would need enough reverses to undo both arms weapon equips and then the action of stealing the wings, which that would be around 3 reverses, she is level 4, 3 level ups, 3 reverse upgraades, makes sense, she can't "heal homeboy", because her ability is not healing, "her homeboy" didn't willingly make the change to remove his wings and what low IQ system do you think would allow special ability stacking? do you see Silver Crow equiping a paid of wings, and then another one? it's all in one go or nothing

next time you watch an anime, drop the low IQ highschooler imaginary high IQ attitude and pay attention instead of trying to hunt for plot holes to prove how smart you are (not)

@Orin23
1. I didn't say that rewinding time doesn't make sense. I was questioning the jump in logic that the character made. It's a game. Healing is as self-explanatory as it can get. If there's one character in this universe who treats Brain Burst as a game, it's her.

Even if she suspected that there's more to the ability than just healing, it's all assumption. She has got no confirmation, nor has she experimented with it before she acted. It's all a theory, and she's lucky to be correct, otherwise everyone would be fucked.

Also, "alternate digital world"? Digimon is the alternate digital world, not this. Nothing about this suggests anything more than an AR open-world fighting game, except the ability to accelerate which, again, is explained away with technology and not because it's a different reality.

2. Wow, that's a whole lot of hoops that you have jumped through.

2A. What counts as a step for a "character change"? Activating an ability? Changing his build? Leveling up? Losing HP? Never explained.

2B. You said so yourself, the bad guy changes his build on the fly all the time. So, unless she's with him 24/7, or she's got a step counter to rely on, she should not have known how many reverses it'd take. After all, one extra change is all it would have taken to ruin her plan.

2C. Yeah, her ability is not healing. It's rewinding time, so why would it matter if hamboy's willing to have his wings stolen or not? Why would it matter whose ability it was? His body is reversing to a prior point in time. He had wings at some point in the past. Return to that point. Done. He's not stacking another pair of wings, he would simply regain the pair that he lost.

2D. Idk, the low IQ system that thinks an ability to permanently steal is fair and balanced?

@Orin23


None of that proves that it's another reality. It's literally account creation. Real game account "remembers" stuffs that I don't too: how many matches I've played, highest damage I've dealt, my win/lose ratio, the items I have, how many gacha I've pulled, etc. This is just a more advanced version of what we already have in real life. The dynamic world that adapts to the players' action already exists as well, Resident Evil's difficulty adjustment is the most basic example.

Also, I admit, I was multi-tasking in some part, so feel free to give an episode and a timestamp to prove me wrong, but a lot of that wasn't even mentioned in the show itself, so it's either your headcanon or a novel explanation, which doesn't matter to this conversation since I'm talking about the anime. When did they ever talk about the creator activating all copies of the mind thing?




When was the build change thing mentioned again?

And how did she know her ability scales off of that? What if her ability only rewinded to the start of the fight, or 30 minutes back, or at the point of their latest burst link? She doesn't know the extent of her ability even if she did question the healing aspect. That's my whole point.




Still doesn't change the fact that it's a speculation, not confirmation. And that she still doesn't know how many reverses it'd take. For all she knows, asshole could go off alone to experiment with his flying build one night, but unsatisfied with the result, he changed back to the way it was before. That's it. That's all it would have taken to ruin her plan. You see how many holes that plan had, when she could have just called hamboy out and spammed heal on him instead?




This is the last anime I wanted to hear that about, when 80% of it was sitting around talking about the plot. Naruto was more "show, don't tell" than this.

So I guess the bottom text is, I'm sorry I didn't pay enough attention that I made you write 2 essays filled with countless insults, yet somehow my points still stand? That her plan was stupid, that all of these problems wouldn't have existed if the game had skill description, that she could've healed hamboy instead of going through these 30 extra steps?

@JustMonaka none of your points stand, again, for the second time, stories don't have to explain everything to you with words, pay attention to what happens, pay attention to the introduced concepts, use critical thinking, connect the dots ability, logic, reason, etc.

unless your IQ is lower than the minimum IQ necessary to join the military, none of your questions should've been questions after watching the show

I don't understand how you people can get jobs in real life, what are you doing at your job? because I can't imagine you doing any type of intense high skill operations that require you to think on your feet, make split second decisions and use deduction, don't cry when your job gets replaced by AI

@Orin23 r/iamverysmart

Yeah sure, insult me some more. That's how you win a discussion, not by addressing the topic but by attacking the other side. The irony of your repeated mentioning of "IQ" and "critical thinking" while utterly failing to have a civil conversation is hilarious.

If you "use critical thinking" and "connect the dot", you would have known by now that I approach the story from the character's point of view instead of automatically buying into whatever snake oil explanation that they give to patch the 50 holes in the story.

Anyhow, no more time to waste on you, gotta go play Naraka Blade Point now. Can't leave it for too long because the AI in that game were made using actual players' builds, which means that the game is definitely an alternate reality and not just a video game.

@JustMonaka

I guess somebody hasn't seen a little show called SAO, made by the same author, where the entire show is about the creation of digital worlds and consciousness transfer to populate them, which is a prequel to AW

I could make you look even dumber with some light novel info, but I don't want to spoil some randoms that will come here at some point

dude, it's not my fault that I watch more anime than you and I know wtf I'm talking about, nobody is insulting you, most people are low IQ, almost half of the population, it is what it is, guess in which half you belong

@Orin23 So "critical thinking" actually means "refer to the info that is not presented in the anime and is irrelevant to this episode discussion"

Guess I should also raise my IQ by consuming more media that I know I hate too. It all makes sense now. Creative writing and game design classes that I took were all lies. Thanks for the words of wisdom, my friend.

@JustMonaka

yeah because the point of the series is added way later out of nowhere and totally not setup early with elements like items who shouldn't have wills of their own, having wills of their own, split personalities, narrative threads that begin literally within the first 12 episodes

you just proved my point, you need stuff to be told to you, you can't pick up early on it

learn

do better

@Orin23 Items that take control of their owner's mind and cause them to go berserk. Where have I seen that before? Oh right, Dragon Quest had it 3 decades ago.

Alright now, get a grip, what I'm about to say will be a shocking revelation, so take a deep breath. Ok, you ready? Here we go: having an AI taking away the control of the character(s) from their player is a common thing in video games. AI is not an alien concept. Shocking, right? I know.

You know what? At this point, I'm halfway convinced that what the novel meant by "the other world" is not that it's literally another world. Rather, since the technology has gotten to the point that the players can practically live in the game, it's meant to be taken in the psychological sense that being exposed to the game for so long would influence who these characters are as persons and how they see the real world compared to the game world. You know, those talks about how your internet persona is also your other real identity and all that jazz.

If this were the case, then yes, it'd make sense. These are the elements that were established and hammered down deep in the story. Otherwise, things would have to change drastically to jump from "characters' perception of the world" to "literally another world". And by drastically, I mean the story would have to replace its main theme altogether, not just something on the level of "oh no, AI has become sentient" or some shit.

@JustMonaka

I don't know why you keep using these dogshit games you play to make points, they have nothing to do with what happens in this story, AW is not a game,

in fact,

@Orin23 Not gonna read those spoilers. The fact that you can't disprove me without citing future events already proves the point that your "critical thinking" claim is dogwater and that I'm not wrong in believing that brain burst is a game based on what was shown in the anime.

"This is just a more advanced version of what we already have in real life"

is what I said in one of the replies above. Every example that you have brought up so far can be explained away by this single sentence.

@JustMonaka all is set up from the first ep, if you can't pick up on it, that's your fault and that proves my point

@Orin23 So much set up and you can't name a single one of them that isn't ambiguous. Great argument.

@JustMonaka
already named several of them, the fact that you can't remember one comment explains how you had a hard time following a 24 episode season

@Orin23 yes, naming the concepts that had all been done in video games before totally proves that it isn't a game.

You're just talking in circles at this point. Stop replying if you have nothing new to say.

@JustMonaka how could I talk in anything but circles when I'm responding to a low IQ monkey who when presented with facts about a futuristic story about illigal use of advanced tech to manipulate souls, responds with concepts from dumbass low quality videogames he plays in real life that have no relevance to the topic
I'm telling you the truth, you refuse to accept it, what do you want me to respond with after that? made up shit like you do? I'm going to keep responding with the same content, the truth, there's nothing else I need to do but post the truth, as many times as it takes, sorry that the truth doesn't have an expiration date, no matter how much you wish it would

@JustMonaka
1. you have demonstrated zero critical thinking skills, that is a fact, you are presented with information you asked for and you deny it for no reason
2. you know nothing about any kind of video game development, you could not even name the difference between DLSS and VRS without googling those terms
3. video game development from 2024 and before in real life has nothing to do with a quantum hardware run simulation through illegal hacking of public systems and distributed through the underground
4. I already told you, several times, that within the first 12 episodes you learn about memory manipulation, player consciousness retention, superhuman perception abilities, digital consciousness vs material world consciousness conflicts/split personalities, to begin with, just to name a few, and even more in the next 12 episodes, all taken to x1000 later, set up as early as the first few episodes, all which are direct continuations of work in the previous work of the same author, SAO

now reply to me again about how I haven't mentioned anything from number 4 yet

monkey

@Orin23 Oh hey, so you can make some arguments, right when I decided to quit too so that your bullshit will appear smart. Fine, I'll bite.

1. The information you provided are either spoiler or vague enough to be interpreted in more ways than one. Answer me, if the choice of interpretation is between "it's the future so the game can be more advanced thanks to the technology" and "it's another world with soul manipulation" and you have zero context as to what comes next, which one sounds more believable to you? If you pick the later, look up what occam's razor is before you try to act smart.

2. Awww the way that you default to the "who's that pokemon?" style dick-measuring contest is so cute. Can I have a hug?

3. But the same design principles can still be applied. Just because the technology have changed doesn't mean that the modern game elements have to be ignored. Just like how moving from physical books to e-books doesn't change how you structure your story. For crying out loud, the game still has HP bar, character skills, level, upgrades, equipments, the open world, etc. In fact, I was approaching this with the technology in mind from the start. It's a game that you control with your mind and have literal power of will programmed in as a game mechanic. How hard is it to believe that the dev would make use of the damn technology when designing the game? How hard is it to believe that a program that's linked to your brain and can speed up its process would be able to mess with your mind in more ways than one?

4. Aaaaannnnnd you still can't name any valid example, because none of those bullshits prove that it's an alternate world. They don't even come close to suggesting the idea. Do you know how big the leap is between "technology that can read and influence human mind" and "literal other world"? We live in an era of isekai, surely you can tell the difference? If you can't, consider stepping outside and observing some nature instead of obsessing over a shitty anime.

And you know what? Even if you're 100% correct in all of those, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter to the story that we're talking about. All of these techno bullshit, all of the convoluted mechanics, all of them serve ONE purpose in the narrative: to enhance the experience. That's it. Do I have to remind you that the ultimate goal of the game is to reach the level 10? The entire thing is still clearly intended to be a game. Otherwise, why would you have to go through a fucking menu to challenge someone to a fight, or to turn a 1v1 into a battle royale? Why bother having a HP bar? What's the point of including these game elements at all? Everything is there to serve the one purpose. It's no difference from why modern games strive for hyper-realism. No difference from why death game stories would go any length to mentally fuck over their players. At the end of the day, it's all about the creator's vision. It's all about what the end goal is. How do you get to level 10? By beating other level 9s. What does that signify? "Prove that you're the best player in the damn game"

Quoting the source material like a parrot, dropping spoilers left and right when the forum rules clearly forbid you to, and pretending you're galaxy brain for being able to identify the foreshadowings because you have the hindsight are not the signs of being smart, my friend. They're quite the opposite.

(edited to highlight one sentence that tears apart the entire scribble below. Not gonna bother making another reply, I've already wasted way too much time on this dunning-kruger brick)

@Orin23 Oh hey, so you can make some arguments, right when I decided to quit too so that your bullshit will appear smart. Fine, I'll bite.

1. The information you provided are either spoiler or vague enough to be interpreted in more ways than one. Answer me, if the choice of interpretation is between "it's the future so the game can be more advanced thanks to the technology" and "it's another world with soul manipulation" and you have zero context as to what comes next, which one sounds more believable to you? If you pick the later, look up what occam's razor is before you try to act smart.

2. Awww the way that you default to the "who's that pokemon?" style dick-measuring contest is so cute. Can I have a hug?

3. But the same design principles can still be applied. Just because the technology have changed doesn't mean that the modern game elements have to be ignored. Just like how moving from physical books to e-books doesn't change how you structure your story. For crying out loud, the game still has HP bar, character skills, level, upgrades, equipments, the open world, etc. In fact, I was approaching this with the technology in mind from the start. It's a game that you control with your mind and have literal power of will programmed in as a game mechanic. How hard is it to believe that the dev would make use of the damn technology when designing the game? How hard is it to believe that a program that's linked to your brain and can speed up its process would be able to mess with your mind in more ways than one?

4. Aaaaannnnnd you still can't name any valid example, because none of those bullshits prove that it's an alternate world. They don't even come close to suggesting the idea. Do you know how big the leap is between "technology that can read and influence human mind" and "literal other world"? We live in an era of isekai, surely you can tell the difference? If you can't, consider stepping outside and observing some nature instead of obsessing over a shitty anime.

And you know what? Even if you're 100% correct in all of those, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter to the story that we're talking about. All of these techno bullshit, all of the convoluted mechanics, all of them serve ONE purpose in the narrative: to enhance the experience. That's it. Do I have to remind you that the ultimate goal of the game is to reach the level 10? The entire thing is still clearly intended to be a game. Otherwise, why would you have to go through a fucking menu to challenge someone to a fight, or to turn a 1v1 into a battle royale? Why bother having a HP bar? What's the point of including these game elements at all? Everything is there to serve the one purpose. It's no difference from why modern games strive for hyper-realism. No difference from why death game stories would go any length to mentally fuck over their players. At the end of the day, it's all about the creator's vision. It's all about what the end goal is. How do you get to level 10? By beating other level 9s. What does that signify? "Prove that you're the best player in the damn game"

Quoting the source material like a parrot, dropping spoilers left and right when the forum rules clearly forbid you to, and pretending you're galaxy brain for being able to identify the foreshadowings because you have the hindsight are not the signs of being smart, my friend. They're quite the opposite.

(edited to highlight one sentence that tears apart the entire scribble below. Not gonna bother making another reply, I've already wasted way too much time on this dunning-kruger brick)