Eureka Seven AO Episode 21 Discussion

cyclone1993 said:
Here's my thoughts on Elena. In Episode 18, I think Elena's speech at Miller's "grave" was quite interesting and it goes to add more to her character. It's like she's stuck in her own world and she wants someone to help her, and to talk to her but she doesn't want to bring it up herself. I definitely like that aspect to her character (maybe because she's my favorite but who knows?)

I believe that Elena did physically kill Miller. Miller was living a double life as being a singer/spy and Elena in the process of trying to find her own identity stumbled upon Miller who was also walking the identity line and drew her in. She may have found out that Miller was a spy and killed her right away, and then saw the opportunity to become her. By adapting Miller's persona Elena was able to run away from her own identity problems. Then when she finally moves on and buries the wig it signifies the end of her running/denial phase and begin the acceptance of her identity and the quest for the knowledge of her origins so that she can finally move on.

Elena has always worn a "mask" of sorts. She has a dual personality the cheerful otaku girl, and the temperamental killer. Maybe that's why she is so in to anime and the like. It could be for her what it is for many otakus, escapism. She's trying to avoid answering the big questions in her life and which of her "masks" she wants to be her true face. I wouldn't put it past bones incorporating a characters otakuness into her character and overall character development. I mean Talho's outfit at the beginning of PofP was even part of her character development. In fact it works quite similar to Elena's problems, trying to avoid reality.

It's for this reason that I sincerely believe that Elena is the deepest character in the show.


Just throwing that out there!

InfiniteDestiny said:
This entire series just fails in so many ways, also the characters are completely unlikable; this episode just furthered that thought.



One of the few good parts of the episode lol

Dangerr said:
Just a general observation - many people in this thread seem to be knocking Elena's inconsistent emotions in this episode, but hasn't the show made a constant point that she's very mentally unstable, going so far as to exhibit bipolar tendencies and dissociative identity crises? This series has treated me to plenty of dilemmas as far as my suspension of belief has gone, but this episode didn't seem to be a great offender, in that respect.

Given the current pacing of the series, if in three episodes it's just the end, I'd probably be joining you guys in the doom and gloom, but given the vast breadth of how much they have yet to address, if this studio has any trace of self-respect left, I could not see them utterly destroying this franchise in the manner that would beset itself if this came to be (not counting those who would claim its reached that point long ago). I'll be just as pissed and disappointed, if this is actually what happens, as the next individual; until that point, however, I guess I've just chosen to adopt the glass half-full approach to my viewing - again, I found myself to enjoy this last episode substantially more than I otherwise would have, if I viewed it as one of the penultimate episodes leading up to the series finale. Should I have to adopt this mindset in order to enjoy a television series? Hell no. If they've planned on doing a S2 this entire time, they've made a major mistake in not relaying that to the audience properly, ahead of time; I mean, I can understand wanting to instill a sense of mystery and suspense when heading into the mid-season finale, but this perspective that this could very well be the series finale is seriously and irreparably damaging some people's perception of the franchise. And that's only -if- they're prepping a second season. Either way, they've churned out a flawed product, and I'm almost certainly going to bump my score down a notch, either way - I shouldn't have to make concessions for myself in order to enjoy a tv series, but that's what it's come to.

Damn it Bones, be more transparent about this shit!

Dangerr said:

Now these turn of events I wasn't expecting, though it makes sense; with Pied Piper and Japan now being anti-scub, and with the rest of the world going pro-Scub, it makes perfect sense that the Coalition would ally itself to Naru, and likewise, herself with them -- whatever it takes to help out the Scub Coral, as she would see it.

As far as her newfound "maturity" goes, I think a lot of it has to do with her connection to the Scub Coral, as she's essentially taken in an amount of knowledge and insight that's far beyond what she normally could have accomplished by her age.

ALSO:

Elena's way too genre-savy to not realize that she's just been friend-zoned. Big time.

Raigerzero said:
There is no way this series can be cleared up in a satisfactory manner within 3 more episodes. Either they really screwed up this sequel or there is a season 2 surprise, which as I believe Dangerr and others have mentioned should have/be announced earlier. There are questions, some large and some small, that I and the rest of us have been asking for a long time now that need time to answer - time which appears to not be present.

WAHa_06x36 said:
Elena's big secret is... that she's just totally chuunibyou?

DangerMouseDM said:


Not really, it wasn't all her imagination, she was actually taken from the past and brought into the future, so she's pretty special, just not in the way she thought/convinced herself she was.

Kefkiroth said:
I really liked the BGM that was playing while Ao was talking sense into Elena, as it was like the nice ED. Still an overall average episode though. The plot is still full of questions that would seem rushed to cover in 3 episodes.
Overall, this is still really bland in comparison to the original... Not sure it will get even close to the original like with DtBS2.

BenGJH said:
I still remember the planet with the heart on it that was mentioned by Elena. Good memories from the original Eureka Seven ^.^

Also, that instrumental version of Iolite that was played the last one minute or so was really soothing. Do want.

Naru suddenly having breakfast together with her family was pretty random. What happened to her from being one of the key characters to a character who doesn't seem so important anymore?

Zhou said:
I'm getting confused with the timelines and dimensions, whatever, Elene is not from the prequel's world but she knows about the moon and Maggie saw images of Team Goldilock?

DangerMouseDM said:


According to Eureka, it sounds like she can see the relations of the timelines while traveling between them. Based on that, Elena very likely saw the moon with Renton and Eureka's names on it (and the E7 time) when Eureka took her between the timelines to save her, specifically while they were in between the two. Though I still think there could potentially still be more to Elena (still confused/wondering a bit about the hair color myself), but only if we're not ending in 3 eps.

Hope that helps. :)

Solaristics said:
According to NyanType magaizne, the episodes 23 and 24 of Eureka Seven AO was announced to be aired in November. There will be a >1 month hiatus after the airing of the episode 22.

From news. So looks like we're waiting a good month +

Dangerr said:

Better than February, I guess.

At this point, though, I'm really fearing that we're not getting an S2, seeing how long we'll have to wait for this (much longer than they originally planned). Given that thought, I'm fascinated to see (not in a good way) how they'll tie this up with just three episodes left. I suppose an S2 still isn't impossible, but I'm seeing it as highly unlikely at this point.

a_guest said:


It' all about money.:) If this show will give good financial results, we may have a second season.
However, I do not even know if I want it to happen. Taking in account what they have already done, it would be better to stop...
Or ask Dai Sato to help.

Dangerr said:

Pre-episode 15, I actually thought the series was moving in a good direction; I'll regain that to an extent if we learned that this was in fact pacing moving towards the mid-series climax, and not the ending of the series. If you think the series has been failing bombastically entirely throughout, then there's not much I can do to persuade you on that one - I'm in the crowd that actually enjoyed it to a great extent at one point, but as of late, the show's been failing to live up to its (vast) potential (under a certain assumption).

Since the beginning, I was of the opinion, that in order for it to be a TRUE sequel that could do the original justice, it should begin to connect itself to PoP at least around the halfway point in major ways, which either means a revisiting of settings, characters, or both, in order to truly put things into perspective. IF there's an S2, and Ao begins it straight-away in the next season, I'll be satisfied. If not, then it's failed utterly on this front, at least as a sequel. Of course, we've also got a million plot-threads that need to be addressed thoroughly for a satisfying conclusion, which with three episodes, is completely impossible; addressing even half of them would be monumentally difficult. Being the optimist I am, I'm going to assume Bones WASN'T making the entire story up as they went along, and actually paid attention to the numerous plot points and implications they've been sewing into the story -- so unless we get a true 'retcannon' ending (which would make me furious), I must conclude that there's more to it. My thoughts, anyways; I still believe in Bones, but at uncertain times like this, ponder why I do.

Dangerr said:

Pre-episode 15, I actually thought the series was moving in a good direction; I'll regain that to an extent if we learned that this was in fact pacing moving towards the mid-series climax, and not the ending of the series. If you think the series has been failing bombastically entirely throughout, then there's not much I can do to persuade you on that one - I'm in the crowd that actually enjoyed it to a great extent at one point, but as of late, the show's been failing to live up to its (vast) potential (under a certain assumption).

Since the beginning, I was of the opinion, that in order for it to be a TRUE sequel that could do the original justice, it should begin to connect itself to PoP at least around the halfway point in major ways, which either means a revisiting of settings, characters, or both, in order to truly put things into perspective. IF there's an S2, and Ao begins it straight-away in the next season, I'll be satisfied. If not, then it's failed utterly on this front, at least as a sequel. Of course, we've also got a million plot-threads that need to be addressed thoroughly for a satisfying conclusion, which with three episodes, is completely impossible; addressing even half of them would be monumentally difficult. Being the optimist I am, I'm going to assume Bones WASN'T making the entire story up as they went along, and actually paid attention to the numerous plot points and implications they've been sewing into the story -- so unless we get a true 'retcannon' ending (which would make me furious), I must conclude that there's more to it. My thoughts, anyways; I still believe in Bones, but at uncertain times like this, ponder why I do.

Acxelion said:
Well, this episode answered my questions about Elena. I think what they said in summary:

Eureka "accidently" saved Elena from a scub burst by taking her to the time after the end of Eureka Seven, which is in the future, where Renton... made the heart of Renton&Eureka on the moon. There Eureka soon took Elena back, but she thought she was from that time, so she wanted to go back there, thus her hate of Eureka of taking her to a spot she thought she didn't belong.

That cute Eureka moment where she is embaressed about Renton making that symbol on the moon, IS SO DAMN CUTE, I COULD JUST GO AAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW ALL DAY! Truth, is now Truce? It say that in my subs. Truth needs to simmer down, what happened to the calm, calculating one that wouldn't make me have nightmares.

PS: Would someone mind explaining to me just what the f*ck is happening in Eureka Seven AO, its becoming more and more of a mindf*ck!

sadstones said:


oh my god! i was about to be like does no one else care about that best moment ever!!!!??? eureka was so fucking cute, it was AMAZING!