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Oct 19, 2008 8:35 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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"Sun Sets, Sun Rises"
King Louis XV catches smallpox. Tension rises in court as everyone decides whose sides to take in case the King dies. Du Barry, fearing her loss in power if the King dies, tries to get Oscar to persuade Antoinette to forgive her. Oscar refuses, even under threats. Orleans also refuses to see her, knowing that the mistress of a dying king lacked any power that would help him take the throne. The King expels her from Versailles on his deathbed in order to receive religious absolution. Oscar stops a soldier from beating the fallen Du Barry and escorts her out of the palace for her safety. Along the way, Du Barry tells Oscar about her past, saying that as a poor orphan, she had learned to do whatever she could to survive, and that she has no regrets because she lived her life the way she wanted to live it. She would later be executed on false charges of treason. Louis XV dies soon after, and the young and frightened Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette become King and Queen of France. Oscar leads the escort of the late king's body to his burial, crying silent tears over the destructive nature of change. summary courtesy of Wikipedia

A pretty deep episode, King suddenly falls ill & all of a sudden DuBarry is exposed and vulnerable. For all her scheming and exploitation, all of her power hinged on her relationship with the king himself. I actually started to feel a lil' sorry for her, despite all the evil she had done. The king didn't repay her loyalty however and didn't even ensure her safety out of the court.

I think her story served as a lesson as to the example the royalty and nobility have set for their people. They are corrupt and pretty much do whatever they want, so the neglected peasants who learn to survive do the same.
 
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Nov 29, 2008 11:13 AM
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I expected du Barry to meet her end from a failed scheme that Oscar would thwart. I never imagined she'd be ousted just like that. But this puts Antoinette and the new king in a tough position since it's obvious neither of them are currently prepared for the full scope of what it means to be rulers of the land.

Overall this episode was an enjoyable end to this arc of the story. Can't wait to see what comes next.

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Nov 3, 2009 12:07 AM

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It's so refreshing to watch a good true-to-its-heart shoujo. I wonder where the story will go after this.
 
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Mar 8, 2011 7:42 PM

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That scene where the King died and the people, while smiling, come in to inform Antoinette and the Crown Prince. Wow, that spoke volumes. Really, though, this was great great great episode.

The final scene of Oscar silently weeping was beautiful.
"Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job."

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Sep 2, 2011 2:58 PM
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Glad i don't know history as well as I sued, so I didn't see that coming. The cheering crowd running to the new kign was a creepy scene that included the message of this episode in a nutshell.
Oscar escorting Du Barry was a great gesture, just shows how good a person she is.

Next comes the battle over influence, the king doesn't seem like a very decision-making person, so whoever he trust will make politics for the next few years at least.
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insan3soldiern said:
That scene where the King died and the people, while smiling, come in to inform Antoinette and the Crown Prince. Wow, that spoke volumes. Really, though, this was great great great episode.

The final scene of Oscar silently weeping was beautiful.


Pretty much what I said here. Brilliant episode. I have no idea why I stopped watching this last time...
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Feb 12, 2013 3:04 AM

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If you got a disease in this time period you're pretty much fucked its a wonder that Oscar's wound didn't get infected and she died. xD

Finally du Barry is gone although I will miss her smashing things to be honest.
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Oct 11, 2013 11:14 PM

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The King is dead and du Barry as axed quicker than you could say long live the king.

And yet I felt sympathy for her even after all of that...good grief.
 
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Nov 5, 2013 10:32 PM

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An excellent episode. It really gave the du Barry character some well-needed depth.

And the scene of everybody running to Marie and young Louis was wonderfully done. I just loved that image. There are all of the nobles, still smiling and panting from the adrenaline rush, as they tell him excitedly that his grandfather's finally kicked the bucket. I honestly wasn't sure whether to laugh at its absurdity or to feel sorry for Louis.
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Nov 11, 2013 2:06 PM

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Interesting that this series was broadcasted the same year smallpox was finally declared eradicated.
 
Mar 28, 2014 8:10 PM

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Brilliant episode! Very well done 5/5


 
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Dam, they made it really hard to not pity du Barry.
 
Sep 29, 2014 7:25 PM

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An excellent episode. It really gave the du Barry character some well-needed depth.


I loved it! Of course it was expected, but her acceptance of things after she knew it was the end for her was wonderful.

Now let's watch a nation collapse under two rulers who were spoiled for two decades and weren't taught how to rule. :D
 
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I thought this episode was kind of rushed but it's still good and enjoyable nonetheless. Wow at the people of Versailles, they only care about securing their position showing how rotten the court is. I'm expecting DuBarry makes her comeback after she got such a depth she deserved and of course I'm also waiting to see the role of the red haired girl who has been left out up until now.
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isn't smallpox extremely contagious? shouldn't everyone die now? it was a good episode, glad Madame de Barry is gone but I didn't necessarily hate her. she was a realistic character
 
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I thought this episode was kind of rushed but it's still good and enjoyable nonetheless. Wow at the people of Versailles, they only care about securing their position showing how rotten the court is. I'm expecting DuBarry makes her comeback after she got such a depth she deserved and of course I'm also waiting to see the role of the red haired girl who has been left out up until now.

She won't it said she met the Guilotine in the episode. Please pay attention, because expecting a dead person to come back is silly.
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I didn't hate du Barry, but she's better off from this show imo. Too bad she was executed anyway, despite Oscar trying to cover for her side.
 
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I found out it disgusting how the people in the palace basically celebrated his death. But I'm not surprised since an awful king gets awful followers.
 
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Ston3_FreeN7 said:
That scene where the King died and the people, while smiling, come in to inform Antoinette and the Crown Prince. Wow, that spoke volumes. Really, though, this was great great great episode.

The final scene of Oscar silently weeping was beautiful.


Yep.
That scene was pretty disturbing. Though have to say, due Barry's downfall was pretty well done. Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.
Good episode.
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Ah, duBarry, you truly were best girl. I will miss her evil smirk.

My interest had been waning a little over the past few episodes, but with a healthy dose of history and the reality of feudal society, its now back again at full force. A good number of themes were explored in this episode.
 
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Shock_Yin said:
Impala said:
I thought this episode was kind of rushed but it's still good and enjoyable nonetheless. Wow at the people of Versailles, they only care about securing their position showing how rotten the court is. I'm expecting DuBarry makes her comeback after she got such a depth she deserved and of course I'm also waiting to see the role of the red haired girl who has been left out up until now.

She won't it said she met the Guilotine in the episode. Please pay attention, because expecting a dead person to come back is silly.


I know the message is 2 years old, but I will say the same thing to you. In the passage you are referring to, it is clearly said that Madame du Barry was guillotined many years later, in 1793 (Louis XV died in 1768), during the French Revolution, like so many nobles and commoners. The guillotine didn't even exist at this time.
Funny fact: her rival, Marie-Antoinette, was also executed in 1793.
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Kyragos said:
Shock_Yin said:

She won't it said she met the Guilotine in the episode. Please pay attention, because expecting a dead person to come back is silly.


I know the message is 2 years old, but I will say the same thing to you. In the passage you are referring to, it is clearly said that Madame du Barry was guillotined many years later, in 1793 (Louis XV died in 1768), during the French Revolution, like so many nobles and commoners. The guillotine didn't even exist at this time.
Funny fact: her rival, Marie-Antoinette, was also executed in 1793.

I just said what was in the episode, but please sperg over a 2 year old forum post.
Look at this he said something two years ago, now let me show him how smart I am. Also the Guilotine did in fact exist in 1793 and used at the time.
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Shock_Yin said:
Kyragos said:


I know the message is 2 years old, but I will say the same thing to you. In the passage you are referring to, it is clearly said that Madame du Barry was guillotined many years later, in 1793 (Louis XV died in 1768), during the French Revolution, like so many nobles and commoners. The guillotine didn't even exist at this time.
Funny fact: her rival, Marie-Antoinette, was also executed in 1793.

I just said what was in the episode, but please sperg over a 2 year old forum post.


And I just pointed a mistake. At the end of the episode, her death and its year (1793) are mentioned, as a historical anecdote. Knowing that the episode takes place in 1768, for someone without a good knowledge of French history, I don't think it is silly to expect her to come back. If you don't like when mistakes are corrected, good for you, but please see nothing more than that.
 
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Kyragos said:
Shock_Yin said:

I just said what was in the episode, but please sperg over a 2 year old forum post.


And I just pointed a mistake. At the end of the episode, her death and its year (1793) are mentioned, as a historical anecdote. Knowing that the episode takes place in 1768, for someone without a good knowledge of French history, I don't think it is silly to expect her to come back. If you don't like when mistakes are corrected, good for you, but please see nothing more than that.

And as someone with a basic grasp of a narrative there would be no reason for them to mention her death, if she was going to come back later they would in fact not mention it like they did.
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Shock_Yin said:
Kyragos said:


And I just pointed a mistake. At the end of the episode, her death and its year (1793) are mentioned, as a historical anecdote. Knowing that the episode takes place in 1768, for someone without a good knowledge of French history, I don't think it is silly to expect her to come back. If you don't like when mistakes are corrected, good for you, but please see nothing more than that.

And as someone with a basic grasp of a narrative there would be no reason for them to mention her death, if she was going to come back later they would in fact not mention it.


Never said I disagree with that. That was not the point. Let's end here, please.
 
Nov 10, 2017 2:42 PM

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That was a really depressing episode... I felt sad for DuBarry
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Great episode and I loved how it conveyed it's message.

And du Barry finally met her end,but she went out with her head high and didn't regret anything,gonna miss that character.Maybe we're going to see more of that other Jeanne now.
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Que mundo cruel! Só isso que posso dizer. Pobres jovens! Pobre Du Burry, mesmo ela sendo daquele jeito senti pena dela.
 
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Ngl, the King's death saddened me.

I bet Lady Oscar's tears at the end were for that reason.
 
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