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Aug 27, 2012 5:00 PM
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I own "The Light of Tsukimi Manor" and couple of other loli based games and manga. Is this illegal? Is "The Light of Tsukimi Manor" considered obscene?
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Aug 27, 2012 5:03 PM
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As long as you don't flash it at other people...I guess it's okay to own one...
Aug 27, 2012 5:11 PM
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I think its legal, the US is not that backwards, is it?

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Aug 27, 2012 5:15 PM
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No its US (United States of America)
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Have fun reading this wikipedia article :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors


TL;DR : it depend of your country, and is often in a gray zone

Edit : I was too slow to find this link ;)


Ok i read it but the material has to be "Obscene." The term Obscene is so vague, I can't determine if my collection is qualified. Would you guys consider "The Light of Tsukimi Manor" obscene?
Aug 27, 2012 6:40 PM
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I think it's considered illegal in canada, I remember someone got charged for possessing loli hentai a few years back. But then again it involved babies......
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Just gonna put my opinion on my sleeve for a second and say that if you're reading this kind of shit and you're not a minor yourself, legal or not, you might wanna seek some help, or at the very least go meet some older women.
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If the cops walked in on you playing it or found it somewhere, what do you think they would consider it? It's child porn to them. Not sure about the laws here, but I'm almost positive that you would be in some hot water.

And I'm pretty sure that "obscene" covers any/all sexual acts depicting the character. Or maybe if her panties or something are just out there for your enjoyment? It just depends. I doubt that someone would see it and think "Oh, that's totally okay. It's just a cartoon." right away. The first they would see is a little girl and blah, blah, blah.

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Yes it's illegal but, it's really hard to make a case around it so law enforcement tends to over look it. Though their have been convictions for possessing it but they are really rare and I think it was attached to a more tangible crimes. Like if some guy was caught propositioning a minor and he had Lolicon porn and they feel like throwing the book at him they will charge him with the possession of the lolicon porn too.
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Just gonna put my opinion on my sleeve for a second and say that if you're reading this kind of shit and you're not a minor yourself, legal or not, you might wanna seek some help, or at the very least go meet some older women.

Its harmless, there is no harm in reading it.
So you don't need to seek help for it, its not a mental disorder.

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rederoin said:
DrunkenBlowfish said:
Just gonna put my opinion on my sleeve for a second and say that if you're reading this kind of shit and you're not a minor yourself, legal or not, you might wanna seek some help, or at the very least go meet some older women.

Its harmless, there is no harm in reading it.
So you don't need to seek help for it, its not a mental disorder.

Its certainly not a healthy practice. Granted, this is just my take on things, legal status or not, you're still a freak to me.
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Its certainly not a healthy practice.

Any studies that proof that statement?

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rederoin said:
DrunkenBlowfish said:

Its certainly not a healthy practice.

Any studies that proof that statement?


Its obvious I have nothing to gain from arguing with you, so I'm just going to conclude you're a freak-show and take my leave.
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DrunkenBlowfish said:
rederoin said:
DrunkenBlowfish said:

Its certainly not a healthy practice.

Any studies that proof that statement?


Its obvious I have nothing to gain from arguing with you, so I'm just going to conclude you're a freak-show and take my leave.


If you are going to say that "anyone who likes X" is a freak, you better have proof or else you are nothing but a troll.
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DrunkenBlowfish said:
rederoin said:
DrunkenBlowfish said:

Its certainly not a healthy practice.

Any studies that proof that statement?


Its obvious I have nothing to gain from arguing with you, so I'm just going to conclude you're a freak-show and take my leave.

All i'm saying is that you can't make claims like that without proof.

And I never even once said I read any of those type of manga. But assuming things like that about people who disagree with you, just shows what kind of person you are.

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DrunkenBlowfish said:
rederoin said:
DrunkenBlowfish said:

Its certainly not a healthy practice.

Any studies that proof that statement?


Its obvious I have nothing to gain from arguing with you, so I'm just going to conclude you're a freak-show and take my leave.

Really now...
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Yes it's illegal but, it's really hard to make a case around it so law enforcement tends to over look it. Though their have been convictions for possessing it but they are really rare and I think it was attached to a more tangible crimes. Like if some guy was caught propositioning a minor and he had Lolicon porn and they feel like throwing the book at him they will charge him with the possession of the lolicon porn too.


Yeah, most of them had real child porn when the police searched.
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DrunkenBlowfish said:
rederoin said:
DrunkenBlowfish said:
Just gonna put my opinion on my sleeve for a second and say that if you're reading this kind of shit and you're not a minor yourself, legal or not, you might wanna seek some help, or at the very least go meet some older women.

Its harmless, there is no harm in reading it.
So you don't need to seek help for it, its not a mental disorder.

Its certainly not a healthy practice. Granted, this is just my take on things, legal status or not, you're still a freak to me.


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If I'm to believe that Wikipedia article(Which cites surprisingly few sources...), it should be legal. Can't say I've heard of anybody getting caught for that. Just don't be like Thad.
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If the cops walked in on you playing it or found it somewhere, what do you think they would consider it? It's child porn to them. Not sure about the laws here, but I'm almost positive that you would be in some hot water.

And I'm pretty sure that "obscene" covers any/all sexual acts depicting the character. Or maybe if her panties or something are just out there for your enjoyment? It just depends. I doubt that someone would see it and think "Oh, that's totally okay. It's just a cartoon." right away. The first they would see is a little girl and blah, blah, blah.


So you are saying as long as I don't do this on public, I'm perfectly safe?

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Yes it's illegal but, it's really hard to make a case around it so law enforcement tends to over look it. Though their have been convictions for possessing it but they are really rare and I think it was attached to a more tangible crimes. Like if some guy was caught propositioning a minor and he had Lolicon porn and they feel like throwing the book at him they will charge him with the possession of the lolicon porn too.


If I were to delete all my stash, am i completely clean? Would i still be charged for possession of loli?
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If the cops walked in on you playing it or found it somewhere, what do you think they would consider it? It's child porn to them. Not sure about the laws here, but I'm almost positive that you would be in some hot water.

And I'm pretty sure that "obscene" covers any/all sexual acts depicting the character. Or maybe if her panties or something are just out there for your enjoyment? It just depends. I doubt that someone would see it and think "Oh, that's totally okay. It's just a cartoon." right away. The first they would see is a little girl and blah, blah, blah.


So you are saying as long as I don't do this on public, I'm perfectly safe?

Jigero said:
Yes it's illegal but, it's really hard to make a case around it so law enforcement tends to over look it. Though their have been convictions for possessing it but they are really rare and I think it was attached to a more tangible crimes. Like if some guy was caught propositioning a minor and he had Lolicon porn and they feel like throwing the book at him they will charge him with the possession of the lolicon porn too.


If I were to delete all my stash, am i completely clean? Would i still be charged for possession of loli?


Look, do you even have illegal things that could get police on your back(Exept loli)? If not, why does it even matter? As long as you're not open about it(woops I should take my own advice) and don't go around showing it in public, you should be okay. They're not gonna barge into your house just because you have lolicon material.
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Look, do you even have illegal things that could get police on your back(Exept loli)? If not, why does it even matter? As long as you're not open about it(woops I should take my own advice) and don't go around showing it in public, you should be okay. They're not gonna barge into your house just because you have lolicon material.


Only thing that I did that is considered illegal was downloading copyrighted mp3s & animes. Is that enough for the LAPD to acquire search warrant?
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mitch3315 said:
DrunkenBlowfish said:
rederoin said:
DrunkenBlowfish said:
Just gonna put my opinion on my sleeve for a second and say that if you're reading this kind of shit and you're not a minor yourself, legal or not, you might wanna seek some help, or at the very least go meet some older women.

Its harmless, there is no harm in reading it.
So you don't need to seek help for it, its not a mental disorder.

Its certainly not a healthy practice. Granted, this is just my take on things, legal status or not, you're still a freak to me.


Haters gonna hate.


Cant really say it better than this.

Besides, loli's are glorious =P
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Riptos said:
mitch3315 said:
DrunkenBlowfish said:
rederoin said:
DrunkenBlowfish said:
Just gonna put my opinion on my sleeve for a second and say that if you're reading this kind of shit and you're not a minor yourself, legal or not, you might wanna seek some help, or at the very least go meet some older women.

Its harmless, there is no harm in reading it.
So you don't need to seek help for it, its not a mental disorder.

Its certainly not a healthy practice. Granted, this is just my take on things, legal status or not, you're still a freak to me.


Haters gonna hate.


Cant really say it better than this.

Besides, loli's are glorious =P


Long live the lolis.
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Well it is drawn child porn. You are still enjoying looking at a five years old girl having sex with older men, even though she's 2D. At least Light of the Tsukimi manor is. It's about college students who trick a five years old girl into having sex with them.

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CrimsonLight said:
Look, do you even have illegal things that could get police on your back(Exept loli)? If not, why does it even matter? As long as you're not open about it(woops I should take my own advice) and don't go around showing it in public, you should be okay. They're not gonna barge into your house just because you have lolicon material.


Only thing that I did that is considered illegal was downloading copyrighted mp3s & animes. Is that enough for the LAPD to acquire search warrant?
You really aren't helping your case by blurting out on the internet that:

- You own loli material
- You downloaded copyrighted mp3/anime ( And possibly movies and/or games too )

Ever hear of pleading the fifth, man?

Some things are best kept to yourself. Just know this: The FBI isn't going to knock down your door unless you're Kim Dotcom or are linked to some illegal networks. Heck, unless they have probable cause to search your house ( Which you're doing a good job of :x ), you'll fly under the radar.
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Well it is drawn child porn. You are still enjoying looking at a five years old girl having sex with older men, even though she's 2D. At least Light of the Tsukimi manor is. It's about college students who trick a five years old girl into having sex with them.

But it's okay because fuck real life women right?
If I'm not attracted to the real how is it a problem that I love loli?

unj008 said:
CrimsonLight said:
Look, do you even have illegal things that could get police on your back(Exept loli)? If not, why does it even matter? As long as you're not open about it(woops I should take my own advice) and don't go around showing it in public, you should be okay. They're not gonna barge into your house just because you have lolicon material.


Only thing that I did that is considered illegal was downloading copyrighted mp3s & animes. Is that enough for the LAPD to acquire search warrant?

I think you're okay.
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If you are going to say that "anyone who likes X" is a freak, you better have proof or else you are nothing but a troll.

Anyone who likes snuff films is a freak
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ZetaZaku said:
Well it is drawn child porn. You are still enjoying looking at a five years old girl having sex with older men, even though she's 2D. At least Light of the Tsukimi manor is. It's about college students who trick a five years old girl into having sex with them.


Well in that doujinshi, akari chan's age isn't mentioned. Am I safe to argue that she can be over the legal age of consent (in japan 14)? That way, it is no longer "lolita", it becomes legal by definition.
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Well I'm sure a little girl being fucked by college students is pretty obscene, but what do I know?
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Though, it is kinda disturbing that people actually like loli hentai .-.
I would even take incest over that. e_e
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Well I'm sure a little girl being fucked by college students is pretty obscene, but what do I know?
.-.

Though, it is kinda disturbing that people actually like loli hentai .-.
I would even take incest over that. e_e

Which is why loli incest exists. YEAAAH
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Though, it is kinda disturbing that people actually like loli hentai .-.
I would even take incest over that. e_e


Can't it be both?

But OP, I'm pretty sure you're okay. The cases I've heard of where people got in trouble for it, they had real child porn as well and that's what they were busted for.
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Though, it is kinda disturbing that people actually like loli hentai .-.
I would even take incest over that. e_e


Can't it be both?

But OP, I'm pretty sure you're okay. The cases I've heard of where people got in trouble for it, they had real child porn as well and that's what they were busted for.


Thanks!!

BTW Thanks everyone for the help!

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Well I'm sure a little girl being fucked by college students is pretty obscene, but what do I know?
.-.

Though, it is kinda disturbing that people actually like loli hentai .-.
I would even take incest over that. e_e


Most lolis are in fact incestuous. :P
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Do cons ever sell loli hentai? I haven't looked myself and I don't know if there's any particular rules against it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do.

If they do, then you're probably in the clear.
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I actually do have a problem with some loli hentia. What I find the real difference to be is the style in which its carried out. First there is the typical bite sized loli Wincest (Not incest people, wincest. Get it right >=| ) hentai where the little girls are portrayed in a style that makes them more mature for their age.

Then theres the "lets take advantage of this innocent little child in a sexually explicit manner" type hentai (which are few in numbers I hope) that in my opinion, are meant to recreate the same feelings as normal child pornography.

If you are watching the latter, I would say that counts as child pornography and I would recommend you gets some help and cut yourself off from that type of hentai. Otherwise you should be good. However, jsut know that if you DO get caught and persecuted, youre kinda screwed. I remember reading an article or panel about this. Basically anything within your library that includes children will be used against you in justifying anime medium as a whole as an outlet for child pornography

Ill go find that article. it was pretty interesting. Give me a minute
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It's not illegal to be in possession of more serious crimes depicted in drawing's than under-age kids, like killing and murder, yet people have been prosecuted and given lengthy jail time's for loli porn in my country and have been marked as a sex offender for the rest of their lives.

Whatever, as long as you don't let the whole world know that you have some loli hentai, like openly reading some at the airport on the way back from Comiket, or posting it on Facebook you should be right. The government has better things to worry about like going after real criminals.
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It's a cartoon. It's not real child porn. It's about as illegal as any other hentai

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Well it is drawn child porn. You are still enjoying looking at a five years old girl having sex with older men, even though she's 2D. At least Light of the Tsukimi manor is. It's about college students who trick a five years old girl into having sex with them.


That reminds me of this awesome scene.


Yeah, that page indeed is awesome. But the pages following that one weren't.

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ZetaZaku said:
Well it is drawn child porn. You are still enjoying looking at a five years old girl having sex with older men, even though she's 2D. At least Light of the Tsukimi manor is. It's about college students who trick a five years old girl into having sex with them.


Well in that doujinshi, akari chan's age isn't mentioned. Am I safe to argue that she can be over the legal age of consent (in japan 14)? That way, it is no longer "lolita", it becomes legal by definition.


Neither is the age of children in CPs. The whole doujin wouldn't even work if she was older (and it wouldn't be a loli doujin), as the students were taking advantage of her because she was a small child and didn't know anything about sex.


I think that the main problem is the definition of "loli" and the types of loli doujins those arrested people had. Loli as in an older girl with a small body is one thing, and loli as in a small child is a different thing. Just the fact of being turned on by a drawn child is still wrong. How is that different than being turned on by real children? That's why stuff like Tsukimi Manor should be considered CP and illegal. The first kind, an older girl with a small body, like Setsuna from School Days, is okay, since she is old enough.

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I think that the main problem is the definition of "loli" and the types of loli doujins those arrested people had. Loli as in an older girl with a small body is one thing, and loli as in a small child is a different thing. Just the fact of being turned on by a drawn child is still wrong. How is that different than being turned on by real children? That's why stuff like Tsukimi Manor should be considered CP and illegal. The first kind, an older girl with a small body, like Setsuna from School Days, is okay, since she is old enough.


Older girl with small body does not = loli.
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I think that the main problem is the definition of "loli" and the types of loli doujins those arrested people had. Loli as in an older girl with a small body is one thing, and loli as in a small child is a different thing. Just the fact of being turned on by a drawn child is still wrong. How is that different than being turned on by real children? That's why stuff like Tsukimi Manor should be considered CP and illegal. The first kind, an older girl with a small body, like Setsuna from School Days, is okay, since she is old enough.


Older girl with small body does not = loli.


I wonder if Shinobu is a loli.. I have my doubts.

She is 500 years old after all.
Too old.
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ZetaZaku said:
Necro-sama said:
ZetaZaku said:
Well it is drawn child porn. You are still enjoying looking at a five years old girl having sex with older men, even though she's 2D. At least Light of the Tsukimi manor is. It's about college students who trick a five years old girl into having sex with them.


That reminds me of this awesome scene.


Yeah, that page indeed is awesome. But the pages following that one weren't.

unj008 said:
ZetaZaku said:
Well it is drawn child porn. You are still enjoying looking at a five years old girl having sex with older men, even though she's 2D. At least Light of the Tsukimi manor is. It's about college students who trick a five years old girl into having sex with them.


Well in that doujinshi, akari chan's age isn't mentioned. Am I safe to argue that she can be over the legal age of consent (in japan 14)? That way, it is no longer "lolita", it becomes legal by definition.


Neither is the age of children in CPs. The whole doujin wouldn't even work if she was older (and it wouldn't be a loli doujin), as the students were taking advantage of her because she was a small child and didn't know anything about sex.


I think that the main problem is the definition of "loli" and the types of loli doujins those arrested people had. Loli as in an older girl with a small body is one thing, and loli as in a small child is a different thing. Just the fact of being turned on by a drawn child is still wrong. How is that different than being turned on by real children? That's why stuff like Tsukimi Manor should be considered CP and illegal. The first kind, an older girl with a small body, like Setsuna from School Days, is okay, since she is old enough.


Well whatever is left on my human side is telling me that getting turned on by children is wrong, but lolis are just lines on a paper. If US protects porn as pursuit of happiness, shouldn't lolis be legal as well? Loli ≠ CP. Personally, I like how the lolis are DRAWN not how their cute innocence is exploited. How is that illegal? I don't understand why people group lolicons as pedophiles! Loli is art while CP is a crime.
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I think that the main problem is the definition of "loli" and the types of loli doujins those arrested people had. Loli as in an older girl with a small body is one thing, and loli as in a small child is a different thing. Just the fact of being turned on by a drawn child is still wrong. How is that different than being turned on by real children? That's why stuff like Tsukimi Manor should be considered CP and illegal. The first kind, an older girl with a small body, like Setsuna from School Days, is okay, since she is old enough.


Older girl with small body does not = loli.


I wonder if Shinobu is a loli.. I have my doubts.

She is 500 years old after all.
Too old.


Shinobu has loli form and non-loli form, problem solved.
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@unj008 It's one thing just liking a loli character, and a different being aroused by a loli being molested by old people.

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ZetaZaku said:
Well it is drawn child porn. You are still enjoying looking at a five years old girl having sex with older men, even though she's 2D. At least Light of the Tsukimi manor is. It's about college students who trick a five years old girl into having sex with them.


Yea but it's not.

I really don't understand the "well lolicon is just drawn child porn" thought process, Some how everyone is able to realize that depictions of women in hentai and anime, is neither realistic, accurate, or similar to real woman in any meaningful way and easily able to separate the two and separation is obvious even to some who doesn't even watch Anime or Hentai.

But some how this logic isn't afforded to Lolicon

Lolis are in no way are accurate, realistic or similar to real children.
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Just gonna put my opinion on my sleeve for a second and say that if you're reading this kind of shit and you're not a minor yourself, legal or not, you might wanna seek some help, or at the very least go meet some older women.

^This

OP, you sick fuck. Go get some help.
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Deziah said:
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Just gonna put my opinion on my sleeve for a second and say that if you're reading this kind of shit and you're not a minor yourself, legal or not, you might wanna seek some help, or at the very least go meet some older women.

^This

OP, you sick fuck. Go get some help.

And that is your own opinion, Keep it to yourself rather than denouncing others only because you don't approve of it.
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Well it is drawn child porn. You are still enjoying looking at a five years old girl having sex with older men, even though she's 2D. At least Light of the Tsukimi manor is. It's about college students who trick a five years old girl into having sex with them.


That reminds me of this awesome scene.

The fun part of the loli comics are the fact that some of them are pretty damn ridiculous.

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It’s time to ditch the text file.
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