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Aug 25, 2012 2:46 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Hmm, it looks like this guy makes his appearance and more talk. He also sure has some skills with coins. Anyways, entertaining episode though despite all the politics and debates going on.

Of course, Tori is still half naked...



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Aug 25, 2012 3:31 PM
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that isn't no ordinary pole... awsome to see tenzo getting pre paired to rescue the one set to die but damn his busty babe fetish. nice of the king to fill in the holes on the map for tenzo next week we should see some action.
 
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Aug 25, 2012 4:29 PM

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That look on everyone's face, it's like they're saying: stop it, Asama, you're making yourself looks miserable
 
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Toori is always naked now....
 
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While reasons for fighting was asked, a guy appeared to suggest for deleting them in place of England, who thinks that they don't know too many things.

lol @ Tori's appearance in half nude on lower half.

Horizon asking for the reason for that because there's no emotion. Tori said the fight is for saving Mary (is that what he think the fight is about or just thought of the reason now?).

Imaginary space? It has the memory of the sisters, who got switched? Also there's black hole to make things disappear.

lol @ Tori trying to get the sword out in nude.

OnoD's character is working on his own on something it seems.

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Maeda tells Musashi that they don't know enough, implying that Musashi thought Testament Union only attempt to avoid world end through history recreation while in fact the other countries also do their own researches and even cooperate with each others despite their political stance.
 
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Can't say I loved this episode as it was very confusing for someone who hasn't read the LN. That Maeda guy from PA ODA was just a douche, perhaps the first character I've genuinely disliked since I began watching this series.

Toori again is just providing huge comedy relief to otherwise tense situations. Him trying to pull out Excalibur Caliburn while naked was just all kinds of lol

Here's how I think this season will turn out -- along with England, Musashi will drive Tres Espana off. Then, Musashi will probably declare war on England because Tenzou will provide enough reason for them to save Mary. This season only has 5 more episodes to go though? Hopefully pacing doesn't become an issue.
 
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Can't say I loved this episode as it was very confusing for someone who hasn't read the LN. That Maeda guy from PA ODA was just a douche, perhaps the first character I've genuinely disliked since I began watching this series.


I couldn't bring myself to hate her wife though :3
 
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Uh, a quick question...what country does PA ODA correspond to?

And why do I have a feeling that Toori already knows how events will unfold? The way he said to Velazquez "if anyone falls for Mary and makes Horizon understand, then Musashi will absolutely go save Mary." Then later on when he told Mary that someone on his side will pull out Excalibur Caliburn. Seems like he's onto something.
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According to the infodump, the Ottoman Empire.
They don’t get any armaments because their religion is (closer to) Islam while the rest of Europe is Christian.

Knowing how Testament tolerate huge ad libs such as spinning the fact that this Mary Tudor is born of Queen Anne or how one person got casted for two roles, they should be able to find loopholes within Testament's tolerance :D
Other than the peoples evaporated in Mikawa reactor meltdown, has any important character died yet in this story ?

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I couldn't bring myself to hate her wife though :3
Which one ?
It couldn’t possibly be the Mouse isn’t it ? ^^;
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nseika said:
According to the infodump, the Ottoman Empire.
They don’t get any armaments because their religion is (closer to) Islam while the rest of Europe is Christian.

Knowing how Testament tolerate huge ad libs such as spinning the fact that this Mary Tudor is born of Queen Anne or how one person got casted for two roles, they should be able to find loopholes within Testament's tolerance :D
Other than the peoples evaporated in Mikawa reactor meltdown, has any important character died yet in this story ?


Thanks. Oh I guess it makes sense now. But I'm still not getting it. If PA ODA is the Ottoman Empire, when is Musashi supposed to fight PA ODA? Maeda mentioned they'd eventually become enemies, but I don't recall an instance in history when the Ottoman Empire fought against Japan. Anyone?

And no, I don't think any important character has died as of yet outside of the Mikawa incident. Mary will probably live as well. It'd be an unnecessary tear-jerker if her feelings for Tenzou never materialize :[
 
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tezann_t said:
Thanks. Oh I guess it makes sense now. But I'm still not getting it. If PA ODA is the Ottoman Empire, when is Musashi supposed to fight PA ODA? Maeda mentioned they'd eventually become enemies, but I don't recall an instance in history when the Ottoman Empire fought against Japan. Anyone?
Well… originally the Matsudaira (from Mikawa, later known as Tokugawa) is a retainer of Oda, but then they seized the chance and then finally became the last shogun of far east ?

Note: nothing serious, just pull that out of nowhere ^^;
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lolmao @ Toori pole dancing that sword. And the trumps where just watching in amusement.
 
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tezann_t said:

Thanks. Oh I guess it makes sense now. But I'm still not getting it. If PA ODA is the Ottoman Empire, when is Musashi supposed to fight PA ODA? Maeda mentioned they'd eventually become enemies, but I don't recall an instance in history when the Ottoman Empire fought against Japan. Anyone?


Like how History is reenacted by Double Bloody Mary, where she has to reenact 2 names at ones.

So, it's not going to be Ottoman Empire Vs Japan, but more PA ODA vs Musashi. as "Nobunaga vs Tokugawa". But it's strange that they're so hostile with Musashi, since they're supposed to be allied until Nobunaga died.

Well, that's my understanding about it, try asking it to the infodump.

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After re-watching... yes. Around 05:07, Maeda said they will eventually have Sekigahara war, so they will be enemy.
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The BGM during the talk between the Fairy Queen and Masazumi about the apocalypse and at the end with Tenzo was very nice..

I was surprised that Musashi dropped their original offer so quickly. Of course, they were kind of doing poorly with everything up to that point as seen when Asama had to bs why they had a weapon.
 
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What does Ottoman empire have to do with Sekigahara and Japan at all in the first place is my biggest concern now. I know those reenacements are a lot different from original history, but really? Just where did they pull this one from?
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OrochiPL said:
What does Ottoman empire have to do with Sekigahara and Japan at all in the first place is my biggest concern now. I know those reenacements are a lot different from original history, but really? Just where did they pull this one from?


Country wise, PA ODA is the Ottoman Empire, but most of it's high ranking officers are from the Oda Clan, meaning that when they need to recreate Battles from the Sengoku Era, they'll be the "Oda Army" rather than the Ottoman Army.

■Oda
Refers to the Oda clan. They, along with the Ottoman Empire, are the provisional rulers of P.A. ODA, located in the Kinki~Tokai region.


Chancellor's Board and Student Council

http://genesis-horizon.wikia.com/wiki/P.A._ODA

Once again, much like "Double Bloody Mary". Scarred AKA Mary Stuart was ordered to reenact two histories at once. She already reenacted Mary Tudor's history by killing 300 Protestants, now she's going to reenact Mary Stuart's History.

In the case of Musashi, it can represent the "Japan Army" or "The Tokugawa Army", because Horizon will receive Motonobu Matsudaira's name. (This name part needs confirmation)

Tl;dr
Most people/country can have more then 2 different roles or factions for reenacting history.

It's quite complicated, and caused by the Harmonic Unification War and related to the Harmonic divine States.

Read it out in the 1st season Glossary of the Infodump.
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Aug 28, 2012 12:33 PM

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It'a been obvious for 3 eps that they'll end up together lol... this season has been shit and they haven't accomplished anything, way to go.
 
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P.A.O.D.A?

M.H.R.R?

WTF was the abbreviation that this Maeda Toshiie blabbing about?

Oh, I wonder if Tori is still that main cast here?
 
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So they dropped there proposal and changed it to a pretty interesting one.
Becoming part of the Royal navy so to speak still there are some issues with the members of Musashi mainly Tori and Tenzou.
One is acting out of idiocy and the other out of love still there actions could become pretty troublesome.

The shameful part is that the Queen and Masazumi where having a very interesting conversation before they got interrupted.
I guess humour is needed at times.
 
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OrochiPL said:
What does Ottoman empire have to do with Sekigahara and Japan at all in the first place is my biggest concern now. I know those reenacements are a lot different from original history, but really? Just where did they pull this one from?
Back to the background story of 1st season…

How they will consolidate both side of history (e.g: a faction winning in Japan's history but defeated in European history) is the big question though -_-

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P.A.O.D.A?

M.H.R.R?

WTF was the abbreviation that this Maeda Toshiie blabbing about?
That's name of the factions, like country.
The Wiki linked above should have a suggested meaning of the abbreviation for both.



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Chancellor's Board and Student Council

http://genesis-horizon.wikia.com/wiki/P.A._ODA
The vice president is so going to kill the boss. But that guy asked for it and pushed his luck too far with his subordinates. :D
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I dont really get what you guys are talking about here, but still.. awesome episode. Cant wait for the next. Hope Tenzo can pull the Excalibur Caliburn.
 
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I dont really get what you guys are talking about here, but still.. awesome episode.


Yeah, don't force yourself trying to understand it lol.
All I can say is try reading the Infodump, After every episode it pretty much explains everything in that episode without Spoiling future episodes.

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ok so England and Musashi are a team now but Tenzo is going to save Bloody Mary and will that break the team contract of England and Musashi later? lets see next episodes
 
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OrochiPL said:
What does Ottoman empire have to do with Sekigahara and Japan at all in the first place is my biggest concern now. I know those reenacements are a lot different from original history, but really? Just where did they pull this one from?


Actually, there are two different countries but most of it's high ranking officers are from the Oda Clan.

1. M.H.R.R. is The Holy Roman Empire and rules over Hashiba clan (Toyotomi clan).
2. P.A O.D.A is the Ottoman Empire rules over Oda clan.

Sekigahara battle is mainly Hashiba/Toyotomi with other clans of western japan vs Tokugawa with other clans of eastern japan.
 
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It seems like it will take a while for the season to really get started...just like the first one
 
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ok so England and Musashi are a team now but Tenzo is going to save Bloody Mary and will that break the team contract of England and Musashi later? lets see next episodes


Tenzou is going to try to save Mary for sure. Even Yoshinao is secretly rooting for him by pointing out the guard posts.

I feel like Musashi is just gonna fight both Tres Espana and England at this point. Oh well. God knows this series would only do better with more battle scenes. They're just really fun to watch. I'm wondering if Tachibana Muneshige will be recovered in time for the battle though since I don't think Futayo injured him that badly at the end of S1...

Slight spoilers from the wiki
 
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wonder what will happen once tenzo draws the sword, will he be king? hahah. so he still has the scar he got from the time when he stopped mary from smashing the ship but SHE didn't cause it directly it was cause of his choice to stop/shield her so does that still count as a scar that "SHE" caused?
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Go Get her Tenzou your waifu awaits you! haha

 
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Again, condensing material that could fit a library into a few episodes is a bad idea. Anyway, I got a few laughs out of it 3/5.
 
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Again, condensing material that could fit a library into a few episodes is a bad idea.


Going by this logic, EVERY adaptation is a bad idea.

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Asama's attempt to explain the weapons situation was just so cute and funny. And hahaha everyone's reaction to that whole scene was hilarious, especially the skeleton guy with his jaw drop. Roflmao at the way Tori was humping the Excalibur Caliburn, that was fucking awesome. God I love this guy.

Can't wait to see Tenzou go on his rescue mission, save Mary, and pull out the Excalibur Caliburn. And damn Tori is just too good, he already knows everything that's gunna happen. Nothing escapes this guy.

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Of course, Tori is still half naked...





Same here! I mean he's wearing nothing but Honda's jacket till we can see his.... You know!

Anyway will Tenzo save 'Scarred' in time (IDK guys but I started getting obsessed watching this anime after Accel world & ETC)?
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so he still has the scar he got from the time when he stopped mary from smashing the ship but SHE didn't cause it directly it was cause of his choice to stop/shield her so does that still count as a scar that "SHE" caused?


That's not the one that counts. Mary can actually heal it perfectly, without any scars as the result. But decided to leave him a scar.

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Ive.....been...scarred.


and holy crap those acronyms.


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kaimax said:
tyrolizard1 said:
so he still has the scar he got from the time when he stopped mary from smashing the ship but SHE didn't cause it directly it was cause of his choice to stop/shield her so does that still count as a scar that "SHE" caused?


That's not the one that counts. Mary can actually heal it perfectly, without any scars as the result. But decided to leave him a scar.

That is why that scar was "caused" by her, since anyone who can do healing can heal it without leaving a scar.


ah thanks for clearing that up for me.
 
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I'm wondering if Tachibana Muneshige will be recovered in time for the battle though since I don't think Futayo injured him that badly at the end of S1...
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The entirety of S1 took place over 2 days (or was it 3...) Muneshige was still injured (to some extent) from his fight with Tadakatsu Honda, when he fought Futayo. So she did add some damage ontop of however much he still needed to recover for 100% health.

He might join seeing as it's been what...3 weeks since then? (2 week timeskip when Nate/Masazumi/Tenzo/etc were stuck in england on a ship) + the 11 days for the festival prep/actual festival.

Though a Gin vs Futayo fight seems the only way to go judging from the op.
 
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This was an alright episode, I finally started to get confused with more people and all of the acronyms for nations or groups (I don't really know). I really liked the information on the apocalypse, though. The only thing I'm really looking forward to is Dame Scarred and Tenzou. Tenzou is my favorite character of the series, followed closely by Futayo Honda and Kiyonari (although we rarely get to see him). So, I would say 3.5/5, maybe 3.

 
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its funny how tori is always naked and everyone just got used to him lool
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AHAHA Asama xDD
 
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Great episode, this show is getting even more interesting.
I'm wondering if Tenzo will draw the sword or if it'll be someone else.
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Once again a crappy post due to time constraints. Sadly life is a bitch sometimes. No time in the world can describe how much great pleasure Horizon is continuing to be visually, emotionally and comically along with a hint of brain to think over of its politics as much as other things. Here are some rich visuals and thoughts.

Maeda Toshie in the spoiler
was DAMN IMPRESSIVE! Guy summons 20 000 armies of the dead and can go for 1 000 000 even? Shiiiiiit! That’s crazy TBH. Loved his SFX and moves of fighting. The Cgs were great for him and he has brains aright despite being hilarious at the sight of Tori.

Avalon really impressed me visually at first from the spoiler
but it was more enticing at the following sight,

Along with the spoiler
Seeing the 2 twin sister brought about some good emotional peaceful feelings and more than anything compared to Avalon in “Fate” Universe it deserves its merits from its art style that shows another facade of it that was not used before to show it in a more peaceful way whereas the “Fate” one looked more sophisticated to me.

Quite impressive part in the spoiler
of Mary and her killings as well as the info feed from it. The depiction is gruesome as some bodies are dead, some semi-decomposed and some skeletons. The red tone adds a lot as it suggest BLOOD SPLATTER all over the scene.

Hiro Mishina in the following,

Is a very adorable little one of a loli value and certainly she is delicious enough for a HAREM SWIPE! AHHAHA! Yeah she is super MOE! I like her appearance and hair ornament.

Finally Tenzou in the spoiler
UH OH! We know what that means! Scarred loves Tenzou! NAH NAH! Well being kiddy a little it was obvious and cool to find out what comes of their relation. The Chancellor was super cool to help him with the map. NEXT EPISODE!

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God that dakimakura scene killed me!
 
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Why is he naked again xD lol just way too hilarious, great development as well so let's see what happens next!
 
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Yep with that Tenzo will go to war for Mary.
 
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