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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Another excellent episode. So many revelations! Tamotsu was 100% correct. People like Kirie are the scariest. It's always the quiet types you have to look out for. Not only did he fight like a seasoned professional, he solved who the non-contracted person was. I'm surprised I guessed right back in the episode 8 discussion about who the excluded child was although my reason ended up being completely off from the reality. I'm curious as to Machi's role now. Since she isn't contracted anymore is all she's going to do is hang around and watch everyone die one by one? Does she have to go out and find some new victims once everyone is all gone? And the government is far too shady in this whole situation. Pressed with the truth all the prime minsiter can do is deny and then create a fall guy. It looks like the kids will have to suffer alone longer now. EDIT: Just rewatched the ep. and completely forgot to mention one of the biggest revelations from the episode. Pic from the episode below Now how in the world does that work out? |
tainteddonutSep 9, 2007 10:57 AM
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| Indeed the quiet are the most scary ones. I didn't know Machi was the one who's not contracted, and her being Dung-Beetle's little sister? That was unexpected as well. To me it looks rather obvious that the Prime Minister is now creating a false truth. Was the mention that got torched his one? Looks like we'll get to see some romance in the next episode, I'm really looking forward to more of this awesome show. |
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| Superb episode. More unexpected revelations. I wonder if we can really assume Dung-Beetle meant that in the literal sence. Unless she is just taking human shape somehow. Still, I don't see what's her part in this. She could have just made them take the contract and leave. So why is she still there...? Kirie was perhaps the character I was less interested in, as it turns out he turned to be one of the best. I guess the government actions were to be expected. There's no way they'd admit that they were aware from the beginning and that the report had leaked to the media. They had to save face somehow. I dunno whose mansion got attacked, but I'm guessing it's was Komoda's. Really looking forward to the next episode. Hopefully we wont way long ^_^ |
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| Thinking about it, the implications of Dungbeetle, Machi and maybe Kokopelli being related are fairly huge. If Zearth has an agent to recruit the pilots and another to assist that and then covertly watch them (I assume that is Machi's main purpose), both of whom may or may not actually be human, plus a floaty, sarcastic entity like Dungbeetle as a pilot liason, it's probably safe to assume the other robots do too; given the sophistication involved in the tech behind Zearth and so on, maybe Dungbeetle, Machi and Kokopelli are sort of mass-produced or cloned or something. Maybe they're in some way related through that process. I thought they might do something like this with Kirie, he's such an unassuming character he virtually had to have hidden depths. I'm so looking forward to the next episode, partly because this series is really gripping and the first thing I've seen in ages that really is keeping me guessing, but also because I want Anko to die. I've been waiting for her to be chosen ever since it emerged what a whiny cow she was; most hated character in the series without question, for me. Why did Chizu have to die so early, yet she gets to live this long? No justice in the world. Then again, isn't that one of this series' most well-conveyed points? |
| Finally I watched the episodes 14-16. Man, my Torrent is lame~ And I can only say that Bokurano really is one of my most favourite series at the moment. And I heared it just gets better until the actual episode (21 if I'm right). Well, that with DungBeetle as brother is strange. Maybe he is realy a human and is controlling this robot/dungbeetle thing from afar. One good thing of this anime is that it's almost unpredictable. I never have thought that Machi will be the one without the contract. Besides...Kirie "battled" against two mechas (because the one killed himself), so that would mean that one of the contracted will survive (because they're more pilots now than they need), am I right? |
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Gladius said: Besides...Kirie "battled" against two mechas (because the one killed himself), so that would mean that one of the contracted will survive (because they're more pilots now than they need), am I right? Good call, funny that no one mentioned that so far. |
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cyruz said: I did think about it. But we can't really take it for granted. We know it's possible for other people to become pilots later on. So technically it could be an endless battle.. (though obviously I don't think anyone would enter the contract just like that after knowing what awaits them after a battle). We also don't know how many parallel universes exit, though it's certain that there are a lot more universes than pilots otherwise the mechas that fought with Zearth wouldn't have such a low number of pilots (some of them).Gladius said: Besides...Kirie "battled" against two mechas (because the one killed himself), so that would mean that one of the contracted will survive (because they're more pilots now than they need), am I right? Good call, funny that no one mentioned that so far. Things are way to complex atm. I don't think we can assume anything for sure. |
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Kayrhandros said: Things are way to complex atm. I don't think we can assume anything for sure. Yes, that's true. Looking forward to see how it all unfolds. IF it does. :D |
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cyruz said: It must! or I won't be satisfied :PYes, that's true. Looking forward to see how it all unfolds. IF it does. :D |
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Kayrhandros said: I did think about it. But we can't really take it for granted. We know it's possible for other people to become pilots later on. So technically it could be an endless battle.. (though obviously I don't think anyone would enter the contract just like that after knowing what awaits them after a battle). We also don't know how many parallel universes exit, though it's certain that there are a lot more universes than pilots otherwise the mechas that fought with Zearth wouldn't have such a low number of pilots (some of them). Things are way to complex atm. I don't think we can assume anything for sure. True, it's complicated but I can't help but think out scenarios of what could happen. In a sense that's true since we don't know the full circumstances of what will happen if they actually 'win' it all. Unless there was some extra caveat to their contract somewhere, Kokopelli did say there were going to be 15 battles so now it should technically end with one person still standing (other than Kana and Machi). Unless they figure out how to break the contract soon, it will be interesting to see who will be that last person standing and what will happen to him/her. |
| ...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work. |
| Kirie destroyed in his battle, who would've known that he would have it in him. I was kind of thinking about reviewing the first episode to see who the one who led them into the cave was but I decided to let that remain a mystery, although I doubt I would've been able to figure out that Machi was the one not contracted by it. It was kind of obvious that Kokopelli was not a regular human-being from this planet but I didn't think that Machi was as involved as she was, it probably should've been expected since she didn't really seem to know anyone before the camp and they still refer to her by family name. I also think that she's just taking human form and can probably has no real body, as for being Dung Beetle's sister I can't wait to see what that's about. |
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| I don't think you can call them more experienced pilots; the only thing they have more knowledge of, is their conditions, fate, and responsibility. Everytime it's their first time actually piloting the thing; the actual fighting experience is null. I'm glad we finally got to see Zearth jump/move quickly, I was starting to think it was impossible; what better way to show it than using Kirie, who's the least in good shape? Very nice decision. Dung Beetle having that girl as a sister was a nice revelation; I'm interested in knowing if their universe somehow has a higher standing, as it CAN travel to parallel worlds and cause these events/transport huge masses. It must be quite the outstanding place. It was now made obvious that Dung Beetle can decide who goes next; maybe his sister can to. He didn't want her to die, so he decided to kill off blondie. The next battle, if she's still alive then, will be a VERY interesting development. Dung Beetle is loving this, and he won't die if this universe dies, I'm quite certain. He's in our place, and he sees this as a pure alternative-universes reality game show. An amazing episode, and Bokurano keeps getting better. Something I've thought of too, maybe the last standing, or the most outstanding (considered dead) fighters will be dead in this world, but will go in Dung Beetle's alternative world? Or, even if winning, they destroy the universe (they can; thinking the opposite is far fetched) simply because it'd be a "not bad, well, you get to die last, good job!". |
HakoriaJul 10, 2009 5:27 PM
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| The Kirie battle was boring, nothing much. Looking forward to the next ep. |
| So the capabilities of Zearth are shown in this episode. All this time I always thought that it was just sluggish, but it depends on the pilot. I guess Kirie unlocked its true potential or something. I'm not surprised that Machi is the one not contracted. I had a feeling it was her. Something about her just seemed above everyone else, she just seems too calm all the time. Plus, I remember she was the one that got her hand forced onto that thing when they were all contracting. But to also find out she's from another universe is a big twist. And...Dung Beetle's sister. wat. But I'm sure that she has her own reasons why she lured everyone, for all we know, she could be stuck in another contract or something in her world. Aiko slapping her was pretty awesome though. I'm sad to see that she is the next pilot, she is one of my favorites. For some reason I always had the feeling that she would be one of the very last ones to pilot, but I guess not. |
| Kirie turned out to be quite the badass! I wonder if his above-average abilities as a pilot was because he had two chances to synchronise with Zearth, so when the time came to actually move it moved even better than his human body. I'm glad his mom managed to get a job, and I hope that losing her son doesn't drive her to attempt suicide again. I had spoiled the fact that the recruiters are from other worlds, but hadn't realized Machi was one of them (or was the one not under contract). And Dung Beetle's imouto at that! I hope to hell we get an explanation for that. Maybe Dung Beetle's true form is humanoid too, he just controls the floating rat-thing remotely. Or maybe he (and Machi possibly) are both energy beings with no physical body in their normal state. He certainly seems to be a higher sort of being, with his godlike technology (even if his personality leaves much to be desired). |
cyruz said: Gladius said: Besides...Kirie "battled" against two mechas (because the one killed himself), so that would mean that one of the contracted will survive (because they're more pilots now than they need), am I right? Good call, funny that no one mentioned that so far. I thought it was even out because Koku(however it is spelled) died before he could get his chance to fight. |
| What?????????? 94.44% 5/5 That's crazy talk. No episode has been rated close to that highly this series. It was a great episode though |
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| Just amazing! What an epic character twist, really epic development I must say and well I wonder what will happen next! |
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| Started off slow, but ended in a bang! Highly enjoy the revelations so far, very carefully constructed. I wonder what Machi will do in the future episodes. Need more on Kokopelli as well, hopefully we get answers. |
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| This episode just left me with so many questions about kokopelli and machi. This show is amazing, so glad I finally got around to watching it. |
| I hated Kirie after giving up on their universe last episode, but this episode redeemed him quite a bit. Seeing Kirie manuever Zearth with such perfection was awesome. A shame such a great pilot had to die. To think Machi is Koyemshi's sister, let alone isn't even from the same universe; this series gets more and more twisted by the episode. Amazing episode. The plot twists are really keeping me on my toes. 9/10 |
| that guy?! THAT GUY IS THE BEST PILOT? where did he learn these skills? mans doesn't even look like he works out, much less sports or acrobatics. yet he was spinning, dodging, and jumping into the sky all at once. even had the cockiness to go "i was lucky that they were weak." wym weak, you were just too op? and savage... he was like i'm about to die guys... but not before i expose her SNAKE ASS i don't get how that's koemushi's sister though. was he originally human? seriously sad seeing that the other robot was this close to winning their world, out of 15 (probably), 2 were still alive. they just had to get matched up with our boy huh r.i.p best piloting candidate ever. probably a video game prodigy. i had hope that he would live, but he looked drained of blood. used his last words to smoke out the traitor instead of some inspirational speech. he will always be legendary. what? her being a traitor was a plot twist? the biggest plot twist was clearly kirie's power. i'm right |
| The last thing the enemy mechs need is to be even more of a nonthreatening trifle to deal with. Koyemshi's sister certainly looks different from him. Maybe he was a former human at some point. |
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