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Jul 22, 2012 8:36 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Oh wow, Yuuya seems to be struggling a bit not only with that girl but also with his past as he attempts to pilot the Type 97. Tension runs high in the air.

Also, funny drunk Tarisa this episode :P
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Jul 22, 2012 9:57 AM

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More practice fight, and this time it's as team. OnoD's character, as a returning from US, is shocked about the huge number. He got scolded by the female instructor.

He has problem with nationality from how others look at him.

This kind of reminds me of IS: Infinite Stratos with female pilots coming from foreign countries.
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Jul 22, 2012 10:57 AM

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The Soviet girls are interesting. I like the mc and the Lieutenant. The other characters, though, just seem to take up space and don't contribute much.
 
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Jul 22, 2012 11:37 AM
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I like the general storyline and setup of this series, but I wished they focused less on national stereotypes and differences. You would have thought than under invasion from an alien species, we would all be just 'humans' again.
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Jul 22, 2012 11:40 AM

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hmm looks like the story is getting better~ Yuuya had it really rough this episode lol most of it was just him and Lt. Yui arguing , looking forward to when she deres :3

Also Cryska and Inia are a really suspicious pair...
 
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Jul 22, 2012 11:55 AM

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They used worser 3d here but it's understandable. Hope it would get better later.

And here the go. They made soviets look evil once more. But at least not only them
 
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Jul 22, 2012 12:00 PM

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Who was it that save yui when she was about to get killed in japan? I know it was the US but could it have been yuuya?
 
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Jul 22, 2012 12:01 PM
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Art2010 said:
Who was it that save yui when she was about to get killed in japan? I know it was the US but could it have been yuuya?


No. And its not americans who save her.
 
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Jul 22, 2012 12:09 PM
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Art2010 said:
Who was it that save yui when she was about to get killed in japan? I know it was the US but could it have been yuuya?


An american... in a Takemikazuchi? Yeah right...

IIRC the (ex)director said it was Yuuhi on his twitter.
 
Jul 22, 2012 12:15 PM

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This is just too cliche and generic for my taste. Dropped.
 
Jul 22, 2012 12:30 PM

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The episodes keep getting better and better. Having a protagonist with a good personality and motives and skills really does wonders for an anime. Yuuya Bridges is quickly becoming a favored protagonist this season and I hope he continues to grow and evolve as a character. Many emotions I did have this episode, mainly involving the Japanese and Japanese-America race distinction and some previous history with the unfair way people treated him in the past. Since he was American, second gen, they ought to have considered him American, I think. Though I guess growing up in such an environment would leave him with such instilled feelings against anything Japanese even if its his tsf. Well at least he's progressing towards acceptance.
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Jul 22, 2012 12:38 PM

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Yeah...nxt ep...Bridge vs Yui...I want to see her improvement during those 3 years
 
Jul 22, 2012 12:39 PM

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I really enjoyed the first two episodes. I wished Yui was the all round main character because I don't like the mc he's to arrogant and with him the show is getting predictable because we all know a romantic relationship will start and i think I enjoyed the first two episodes because it gave a more this is real war kinda feel, like the show didn't care about losing characters but now all this drama is gonna start ill still give this show a chance though.
 
Jul 22, 2012 12:41 PM
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I'm surprised I actually enjoy this anime, after watching episode 2 when the girls were being eaten by the aliens.

Yui needs to hurry up and get back into one of mechas! I want to see how much better she has gotten, I don't want her to be a character that sits back and just observes and throws harsh words at the other pilots.

For the other characters, I don't really care for the Soviet girls, why are they even near their base, if they can't get along?
 
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This episode got good when they started introducing Inia with Cryska during the fight in the following spoiler
seeing them both somehow made the steam out with the annoyance of Top Gun’s stance with Yui. Regardless things really went nice. Starting from Inia’s MOE face in the following,

She was so nice there and can’t believe she took Bridge’s arm in the spoiler
damn lucky skank! I like Inia and that’s why I reacted like that.

I got to admit that Inia/Cryska’s bath part in the spoiler
made me do some graphics from it however it’s plain too bad it’s censored along with the other fan service. Inia is hot and Cryska next to her was in that part.

The second part with Inia that got enticing is the following,

Along with what happens in the spoiler
it kind got me thinking of the pun “Pedobear protects” cause of the way she hold the bear and it looks at you with its teeth. Those who know that Pedobear mascot know what I mean. You can Google it, it’s quite a huge parody around the net. I wonder if Cryska had not interrupted would he wanted to fall into her lustful figure? Well the bed is there and all so it’s a reasoning I wonder of since she started rather fast with the arm holding like a date.

Finally one can see that it was Inia in the spoiler
who is concerned of Bridges sudden problem. Cryska did not look to give 2 shits. In fact she wanted to kill him with a gun.

About the fan service, might as well get it out of the way. Say hello to BLINDING LIGHT OF DEATH! In the spoiler
highly suggested not to see this in the dark. It blinds like a bitch. This is the worse FOG to behold. As it’s shining features blind you. F that! It’s not cool when you show the episode before blank breasts. WTF? That was stupid censoring and I ain’t like at all. At least put nipples in the Bds and BLANK the parts. Sheesh! Oh well the suits make up for it anyway. At least Tarisa had a fun part in the spoiler
it was a MOE expression.

About beginning, I can see the start rather CG nice with Bridges and his mecha in the spoiler
the CG continue to be nice and the action around it good. While it was not long before it stops since it was like tests, the Flashback occurs in the spoiler
while Bridges is with Vincent. So I got interested in that suddenly.

About Bridges, so I realized later on it’s all about Bridges in this episode. His conversation with Yui in the spoiler
resulted nothing but arrogance and anger towards her. I can see she does impose on him a lot but he need to realize it’s a whole country that of Japan on his shoulders being imposed. While I did like his friends watching him in the spoiler
Showed more of Stella’s chest.

About Bridges in the fight, well one thing I can assure of myself is that HE FUCKED UP in the spoiler
Despite the marvelous Cgs and the fear the BETAs were real while they were really just holograms to simulate whom I did find neat and amazing that it came to this progress. I can understand why this facility would be amazing with the tech to practice around with. I liked seeing more the girls in the spoiler
the suits really show out things and since not censored naturally may I add. NOT TO MAKE MONEY out of. Till they censor something of it. That being said the fight was pretty nice and I liked it. However after it in the spoiler
that is the obvious proof Bridges is pissed at screwing up in the fight. Interesting enough Yui manages to be aggressive and calm him down through it.

About Bridges’s past, kind of obvious in the spoiler
that it has to do with marital problems and relational fights of his parents. That he was in fact forced to go outside and there being bullies most likely abused him. Not having the home to go back till shit calms down I assume at most he had to endure the shit imposed by the nasty kids around the area. Most likely they were RACISTS towards him.

The whole part with the mother in the spoiler
Shows for one he thinks she is just a doll of his father to do as he wants with and for 2 it shows he was closer to her and wanted care from her more than his father. That is rather interesting cause young males that are attached to matters tend to be quite different and rare from those who are with the father. Sometimes it’s not a good thing some studies have shown.

About the new gun, really kick ass in the spoiler
I can’t wait for it to work and its results however Yui looked distressed a lot there.

Abut Bridges in the prison, oh WTF is that in the spoiler
SS Commander Heinrich coming to experiment illegally on a inmate? Is this Nazi Camp Hell? Seriously cringed and did not like the people nor this prison BS shit he got into. TBH it was unfair and bad in nature. Bridges ain’t shit enough to be thrown in prison TBH. Kind of glad they did not do much to him.

About the Rescues party! Now that was KICKASS! It was fun in the spoiler
just to see Tarisa sticking it to Bridges while giving him some good breast presses whom he kind of ignored. While it does kind of show she might be getting on to him. She is not the only one as Stella teased Bridges too there. It was hilarious that Teresa choked on her drink! ROFL! I wonder if Stella will have some serious love for Bridges cause the VN is one girl routes.

About thee end of the episode, I see 2 points of interest. One it seems that the conversation of Yui and Bridges in the spoiler
amounted to nothing but frustrations. At least Yui had some good faces there.

The second part in the spoiler
introduces a new Mechas design itself? Seems like it and it looks nice. I wonder how much of a power it has?

BTW Pics of why Cryska and Inia are amazing in the BLOG:(NSFW)A little compendium I did as to their hot features. A reason as to why to like them.

Some commercials in the spoiler
of game promotions. Now translators should make this English ASAP.
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Jul 22, 2012 1:42 PM

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I got a bit confused there... he took a walk. Followed a girl then ended up in some "top-secret" soviet base? lulwut?

Series seems a bit weak so far... but since I like procrastinating I'll carry on for now.
 
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Better than last week. Yui has become pretty kickass and looks much better with long hair. Curious to see her in action again. Kinda funny to watch right after Jinrui, because of the same VA that sounds so different in both series.
 
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I got a bit confused there... he took a walk. Followed a girl then ended up in some "top-secret" soviet base? lulwut?

Series seems a bit weak so far... but since I like procrastinating I'll carry on for now.


Well the whole base has different sections for the different nationalities, the "twins" are pretty "top secret" them selves, so their quarters were at a place that is off limits to others.

But yeah, it was a "lolsovietisevil" moment for me too.

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Better than last week. Yui has become pretty kickass and looks much better with long hair. Curious to see her in action again. Kinda funny to watch right after Jinrui, because of the same VA that sounds so different in both series.


Yui and Watashi have the same VA? Mind blown. Those people are good man, so many voices in one, lol.

I see a lot of people siding with Yui... if you disregard the nationality part of their hostility for each other, Yui is the one being a bitch here. First mock battle, first thing she says is basically "you suck". Then she gives him a god damn crappy TSF for the next one and once again tells him he sucks... yeah, Bridges' Jap hate is pretty silly IMO, but so is the Japanese arrogance that Yui has. Oh well, hopefully they end up together sooner or later :o
 
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Bridges gets owned more times than you can count this week.

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I see a lot of people siding with Yui... if you disregard the nationality part of their hostility for each other, Yui is the one being a bitch here. First mock battle, first thing she says is basically "you suck". Then she gives him a god damn crappy TSF for the next one and once again tells him he sucks... yeah, Bridges' Jap hate is pretty silly IMO, but so is the Japanese arrogance that Yui has. Oh well, hopefully they end up together sooner or later :o


The first two episode really help me understand Yui's actions and words, especially the part about the training being a game and her claim about excuses. Her so called arrogance derives from her not wanting to repeat the same mistakes: her naivete and her lack of understanding the BETA resulted in a near-death experience and a psychological atom bomb. She's saving Bridges' life the hard way.

The main character, on the other hand, seems like a generic angst-filled childhood lead. I haven't noticed anything interesting about him at all. Meanwhile, the side characters remain side characters, but every scene with Yui is a gem for me!
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s2012k1993 said:
maxie said:

I see a lot of people siding with Yui... if you disregard the nationality part of their hostility for each other, Yui is the one being a bitch here. First mock battle, first thing she says is basically "you suck". Then she gives him a god damn crappy TSF for the next one and once again tells him he sucks... yeah, Bridges' Jap hate is pretty silly IMO, but so is the Japanese arrogance that Yui has. Oh well, hopefully they end up together sooner or later :o


The first two episode really help me understand Yui's actions and words, especially the part about the training being a game and her claim about excuses. Her so called arrogance derives from her not wanting to repeat the same mistakes: her naivete and her lack of understanding the BETA resulted in a near-death experience and a psychological atom bomb. She's saving Bridges' life the hard way.

The main character, on the other hand, seems like a generic angst-filled childhood lead. I haven't noticed anything interesting about him at all. Meanwhile, the side characters remain side characters, but every scene with Yui is a gem for me!


Well yeah, I know. Since the two first episode was Yui backstory, we get sympathy for her, and understand her better. I understand her actions, but just as Yuuya needs to drop his petty unfounded hate for the japanese, she needs to get off her high japanese horse.

I guess I'm overreacting a little bit, but truth is that the Fubuki is junk. It's a training TSF for a reason, and it IS a very sensitive TSF, so that you wouldn't perform very well after switching from a god damn Raptor to a Fubuki isn't weird at all, lol. It's like the engineer dude said, american and japanese TSF are really different since they are made with different tactics in mind.

Still, I dislike his attitude, too, so I'm not exactly a fan of him it's just that the Yui love is through the roof due to the first 2 episodes, so even though they are both acting quite poorly and not getting over their race/nationality, Yui is the one that gets the sympathy.

PS: I love Yui too, I'm just realizing that she isn't perfect. Lol.
 
Jul 22, 2012 4:06 PM

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Mamiko Noto is such a sweet character!
Did you see how brave she was, jumping in front of the gun!?
 
Jul 22, 2012 4:13 PM
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Both of the girls on the cover will be wet for the MC by the time this is over. Count on it.
 
Jul 22, 2012 4:28 PM

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Oh man I love Yui's straight up attitude. <3
Next ep seems like we see her in action for the first time in 3 years awesome.
 
Jul 22, 2012 5:07 PM

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I would have slapped the shit outta Yui if I was the MC....

She clearly needs some dick, to uptight and bitchy
 
Jul 22, 2012 5:56 PM

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Mamiko Noto is such a sweet character!
Did you see how brave she was, jumping in front of the gun!?


Inia is sooo damn cute.
 
Jul 22, 2012 6:04 PM
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I wonder why there wasn't a Shiranui for Yuuya to pilot. This project was built so that the Japanese could improve their Shiranui.

From the way things are going, I don't think that this will turn out to be anything more than a boring side story. Then again, it is age so I can still probably expect some BETA action in here.
 
Jul 22, 2012 6:32 PM

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At least Yui is acting better, compared how she was on the first 2 episodes.

Also, I want to know more about Cryska & Inia, they look interesting enough as characters.
 
Jul 22, 2012 6:57 PM
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Well... NEXT EPISODE, Yuuya and Yui's showdown.
Yui's probably going to show up in her yellow Takemikazuchi.
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Jul 22, 2012 7:22 PM
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Yui is too good. Although she is brutal she is correct. Bridges also seems so smug when he's around her.

Some people may think that she's being a bitch but honestly, the way Bridges fails and blames it on the machine is nothing but a loser's way of avoiding loss of face. Nonetheless, he should improve and hopefully they will kick some ass.

Should be good next week. Yui vs Bridges.
 
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Really? This is annoying the fuck out of me. Yui got something up her ass, and Bridges has shits for a brain. She's just wasting her time. If he's so fucken awful, get a new recruit -geez.

Boring episode and looks like it's going to be boring for awhile -- until he finds his inner Japanese.
*sigh*

This feels like propaganda. They're trying to show how fucken awesome Japanese people are. LOL
 
Jul 22, 2012 7:38 PM

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Decent ep.

Can't wait to see Yui piloting again! I hope she teaches that arrogant Bridges a lesson.

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I would have slapped the shit outta Yui if I was the MC....

She clearly needs some dick, to uptight and bitchy
Yui was right in being harsh though.

It will save the dude's life later on.
 
Jul 22, 2012 7:47 PM

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Needs more aliens wrecking havoc.
 
Jul 22, 2012 7:53 PM

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Really? This is annoying the fuck out of me. Yui got something up her ass, and Bridges has shits for a brain. She's just wasting her time. If he's so fucken awful, get a new recruit -geez.

Boring episode and looks like it's going to be boring for awhile -- until he finds his inner Japanese.
*sigh*

This feels like propaganda. They're trying to show how fucken awesome Japanese people are. LOL


Took the words right out of my mouth.
 
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Kurogashi said:
Really? This is annoying the fuck out of me. Yui got something up her ass, and Bridges has shits for a brain. She's just wasting her time. If he's so fucken awful, get a new recruit -geez.

Boring episode and looks like it's going to be boring for awhile -- until he finds his inner Japanese.
*sigh*

This feels like propaganda. They're trying to show how fucken awesome Japanese people are. LOL


Thank you for this. I don't care enough to point out how unenjoyable this episode is but I'm glad someone else was able to.

Never expected much from this show in the first place.
 
Jul 22, 2012 8:39 PM

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Bridges has it tough. Next episode Yui vs Bridges~
 
Jul 22, 2012 8:47 PM

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I really hope they call those simulated alien battles "BETA tests".
 
Jul 22, 2012 8:53 PM

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Were the issues he was having with the TSF from Takeru's OS?
 
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Decent ep.

Can't wait to see Yui piloting again! I hope she teaches that arrogant Bridges a lesson.

Tenchi_Ryu said:
I would have slapped the shit outta Yui if I was the MC....

She clearly needs some dick, to uptight and bitchy
Yui was right in being harsh though.

It will save the dude's life later on.

Don't seem like tough to me, she just generally doesn't seem to like the guy.
 
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She's just being a bitch and insulting the guy and his piloting skills and trying to demean him just because he has no experience in combat with beta?
To me this just seems like butthurt because her friends all got killed because they ignored their combat instructors and talked about their boyfriends.

Also I hate all this nationalism shit.
 
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Both of the girls on the cover will be wet for the MC by the time this is over. Count on it.


Hopefully because they are both really annoying, the MC is the reason why I keep watching this how.
 
Jul 22, 2012 9:24 PM
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lol wow im really surprised at all the yui love going on. since the introduction of the MC ive been on his side. sure he needs to let it go but she is a massive bitch and you really cant deny that. she should take it down a notch and stop downgrading his talents even though he could prolly beat her ass in an american vehicle which i hope he does. she needs to be brought back down. if they have a showdown and bridges doesnt win im gonna be just straight up disgusted with the anime. they really shouldnt have brought in this nationality thing cause it gets to heated while your watching.
 
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Were the issues he was having with the TSF from Takeru's OS?


While the XM3 might be in development at this point it wouldn't be in circulation yet so it isn't that. Japanese TSFs are just more fickle compared to American TSFs and it takes a lot of getting used to from switching over. That's partly because of the difference in combat philosophy but also because the US generally makes better machines. The Shiranui is a 3rd generation machine but the Strike Eagle can match it in TSF vs TSF combat and the Raptor easily surpasses it. Japan began creating the Shiranui 2nd because they knew that the Shiranui needed an update to match the Raptor.
 
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Were the issues he was having with the TSF from Takeru's OS?


While the XM3 might be in development at this point it wouldn't be in circulation yet so it isn't that. Japanese TSFs are just more fickle compared to American TSFs and it takes a lot of getting used to from switching over. That's partly because of the difference in combat philosophy but also because the US generally makes better machines. The Shiranui is a 3rd generation machine but the Strike Eagle can match it in TSF vs TSF combat and the Raptor easily surpasses it. Japan began creating the Shiranui 2nd because they knew that the Shiranui needed an update to match the Raptor.


so the american version is better? why is he not driving one of those considering he is more suited for it.
 
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I wonder how the seiyuu feel about insulting their own race...
 
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Bridges would probably kick Yui's ass in the next ep, and they will make peace with each other and there will be Cryska, Yuuya, Yui love triangle according to my prediction lol.
 
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so the american version is better? why is he not driving one of those considering he is more suited for it.


Well the main point of Total Eclipse isn't fighting the BETA since this is just a side story. The base they're at is mostly for testing various TSFs and weapons. That's why you see a wide variety of TSFs all at once. So they aren't aiming to deploy him against BETA, but just to see how well the Shiranui 2nd does as a machine. Yui already has her Takemikazuchi to use. The pilots in TE are merely there to see if the machine works out before models are sent into real combat by other pilots.

Also the TSF Yuuya is using now is merely a training suit used to help pilots adapt to the demands of a 3rd generation TSF before they become pilots. Although in actual performance it's below a 3rd generation. It's more like a 2nd or 2.5th generation TSF, but the OS/UI is also watered down as well since it's not made for combat purposes.
 
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LOL @ People saying Yui is a bitch.

Have you not seen the episodes with her piloting the same thing Yuuya is piloting now? Seeing her friends getting killed?

Do you not think she's yelling at him so he'll stop being so macho and maybe, you know, not get killed because he thinks he's better than he is?
 
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LOL @ People saying Yui is a bitch.

Have you not seen the episodes with her piloting the same thing Yuuya is piloting now? Seeing her friends getting killed?

Do you not think she's yelling at him so he'll stop being so macho and maybe, you know, not get killed because he thinks he's better than he is?


But he's better than she is, and she's insulting him instead of just giving constructive criticism.
 
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Yui is at the moment not bitchy at all, she's just being strict to others since she experienced crazy shits back then. Yuuya is a talented man but I doubt he ever got the same experience as Yui, American eishi ain't as hard ass as japanese since they didn't get invaded by BETA except Canada which was already nuked.
P/S: Haven't seen any guys as good at piloting as Takeru so far, maybe Yuuya will be later on.
 
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