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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Failed mission by America. The boss wanting to discuss slowly regarding to it. The woman and the boss was a partner before? The pet gave green hair guy the book of Piper thing. The chief decided to go without order with the green hair guy and join them. Truse again to sacrifice people for secret's truth. First thing green hair yells is to return the girl, but fell unconscious again. Second time failed again. Secret attack and people getting disappeared while green hair guy becoming like Yuki in Tsuritama. While hiding, the chief began to talk about his team = the book. lol @ how he got the secret bullets away. He said they are going to get everyone away. The boss wanted to move the world and the woman stopped his babbling by the gun. Chief joining the battle is so cool!! The chief told the guy with the woman to hide her past. Really weird shadow things are the enemy next ep.? OVA+ Game "Yungufurau no Hana bana tachi" is decided? |
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| I can say it after 10 episodes. This series is something more childish than E7, to put it simply Eureka for kids ; d |
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| Hmm...looks like truth has become more sly there. And the shadow thingy...what it could be? |
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 The week off was worth it. I think this has a great balance between a strong good main character (AO was impressive) as well as a compelling and cool antagonist. Its like Truth is just having so much fun with everyone and a good time. So awesome when they made his eyes do that and then smirk afterwards. I enjoyed the entire first half or so focused on Ao. |
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| good character development episode, we learn that Rebecka was once destroyed an entire nation and that nation she destroyed was Chief's Ivica and his child and wife died on that war too, so Rebecka follows Chief Ivica now due to the guilt she feels, and Chief Ivica also has guilt that drives him to command the pied piper team |
| Not a very good episode... This was like a regular shonen anime episode.... 3.5/5 |
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| I have this weird feeling that Truth is actually Renton ever since he claimed that Nirvash is "his". |
| E7 continues to intrigue me. With Rebecka's background revealed the show delves deeper into the political background that is so ever present in this series. It is sadly indeed true that people need a world that is divided into black and white. While the series does seem to be quite formularic for now, each time we get to learn more about the secrets and the characters through them clashing together, so it works in purpose of worldbuiliding. One pattern seems to be the animalistic form many of the Secrets have which makes me wonder what implications these entail. According to the preview another character seems to get stripped of its inconspicious exterior... |
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| Before delving into further details, I have to congratulate this episode for correcting many of its past mistakes. By focusing less time on the actual fighting of the secret, this episode was able to give us character motivations and reactions. All of E7 Ao's side characters are humanized, while not completely forgetting about Ao and Truth. The only problem, so far, is that the viewer has trouble comprehending Truth and Ao's perspective of the world. For example, it just doesn't make sense that Ao would freak out like that, seeing dead bodies. I'm sure he witnessed people dying (Goldilock's head died), but his reaction seems unusual. An air of mystery surrounds Ao.On the other hand, does Truth really believe that transporting people to the middle of Secret's territory will change peoples' hearts? What is up with him? |
DJ007 said: I can say it after 10 episodes. This series is something more childish than E7, to put it simply Eureka for kids ; d The socio-political machinations going on in this series are more complex than what was seen in Eureka Seven, with generally more mature themes; I disagree with you. However, I'll agree that Eureka Seven's proven the better series thus far - Ao has proven itself to be fairly unstable with each episode. Still, I enjoyed this week; not sure what the point of Ivica shooting the Secret with that RPG was, endangering himself as commanding officer of the Triton, but eh, whatever. |
redd530 said: I have this weird feeling that Truth is actually Renton ever since he claimed that Nirvash is "his". Interesting thought, but i highly doubt it. Renton never thought about the "truth" of the world, the only thing he ever cared about was being with Eureka. So the only way this would be passable is if he was under possession or something. Anyways, i liked this episode. We get some pretty nice character development. Ao had a psycho moment, and we learn the story behind the team's name. Although i'd have to say every episode Truth is in...It irks me to no end....I hate him....But what he said about the secrets does make me think a bit.....Either way, i can't wait until Ao beats that smug bastard into the ground. It's going to be so hilarious and i'll be laughing the whole way. |
| This keeps being unlikeable for me, also i dnt like the whole concept that the world is practically incompetent, i mean seriously the entire country of America is so weak that they need to rely on kids to save them O_O abaanda said: This is like meh for me, the characters are no where as likeable as the ones from previous season. Also this, their personalities make them no where near as likable as the characters from E7 |
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redd530 said: I have this weird feeling that Truth is actually Renton ever since he claimed that Nirvash is "his". I kinda doubt that. |
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| Since episode one I've seen way to many inconsistency's with the first season, some that could have changed over time, but also some that actually do not make sense. But this episode really topped it off with the chief saying "But only children can pilot IFOs.", which only goes against the original even further. Then we have Generation Blue which is a fixed base instead of flying around(Opinion, not necesarily inconsistent). Trappar dust is nowhere to be seen anymore(Left with the coral?). Nirvash is the only real "human form" IFO left that appears to still "surf" through air, on top of that. In the end I feel Ao is a good show so far, but way to much inconsistency's to be anywhere near a worthy sequel. Something that saddens me to heart, as E7 was no doubt one of the best anime I've seen. Possibly this all is a consequence of the large timeperiod between the 2 manga's, as the Ao manga has also started this year? Is it just me, or do other people feel the same that Ao has a ton of inconsistencies, which make it feel like a sub-par sequel compared to the original? I mean, we all know it is normal for a sequel to be less great then its predecessor, but this is a joke. Of course, time will tell if it picks up as episodes go on. This is just from current point of view. But I strongly doubt any of this will be changing at any point. |
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redd530 said: I have this weird feeling that Truth is actually Renton ever since he claimed that Nirvash is "his". I doubt it's Renton, but would be interesting if it was him. Didn't the Nirvash have 3 seats in it, in Truths vision of Nirvash? |
| To be honest I'm starting to like Chief Ivica more than the rest of he cast. |
| I thought they were gonna kill off Chief for a bit there Anyway, this episode was much better than the past few. I enjoy this show SO much more when the girl pilots aren't in the spotlight. |
Rykimaruh said: To be honest I'm starting to like Chief Ivica more than the rest of he cast. Your avatar..... |
| I found it interesting since i grew up in Phoenix and it's funny how they made it look |
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| Watching Ao freak out reminds me of the episode when Renton realizes he's was killing people in LFOs. I bet something similar will happen with the Secrets, like they are really trying to get in contact with humans or they kill humans on sight due to something we did through some misunderstanding. It's funny how many parallels there are from this series to the last besides the aforementioned freak out for both Renton and Ao. Jun has that brashness of Holland while Rebeka does have little bit of that sister characterization of Talho in the latter half of E7 but has that mysterious and dark past that Holland have. Cause of these similarities I kinda ship these two together. Anyone agree? Fleur and the other girl don't have as much characterization yet so I can't really pin them down for anyone. They do kinda annoy me though so I kinda seem them like the 3 kids Eureka had, and I wonder if and when they will become relevant to the main story. I just wish these episodes would be less episodic and contain more story arcs. The idea that these events are self contained really kills the story for me. Though this episode on the whole was a lot better, handling the main characters nicely and revealing a bit of the pasts of the two direct authority figures brings in a nice nugget of truth to the all the questions we've been having. Does anyone Ship Rebeka and Jun together? |
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InfiniteDestiny said: This keeps being unlikeable for me, also i dnt like the whole concept that the world is practically incompetent, i mean seriously the entire country of America is so weak that they need to rely on kids to save them O_O It's not that the U.S. is incompetent, but that traditional warfare is practically useless against secrets; I highly doubt they could withstand a nuke, but you see the obvious dilemma in such an action. Zenas said: Since episode one I've seen way to many inconsistency's with the first season, some that could have changed over time, but also some that actually do not make sense. But this episode really topped it off with the chief saying "But only children can pilot IFOs.", which only goes against the original even further. Then we have Generation Blue which is a fixed base instead of flying around(Opinion, not necesarily inconsistent). Trappar dust is nowhere to be seen anymore(Left with the coral?). Nirvash is the only real "human form" IFO left that appears to still "surf" through air, on top of that. In the end I feel Ao is a good show so far, but way to much inconsistency's to be anywhere near a worthy sequel. Something that saddens me to heart, as E7 was no doubt one of the best anime I've seen. Possibly this all is a consequence of the large timeperiod between the 2 manga's, as the Ao manga has also started this year? Is it just me, or do other people feel the same that Ao has a ton of inconsistencies, which make it feel like a sub-par sequel compared to the original? I mean, we all know it is normal for a sequel to be less great then its predecessor, but this is a joke. Of course, time will tell if it picks up as episodes go on. This is just from current point of view. But I strongly doubt any of this will be changing at any point. These "inconsistencies" are intentional - this is almost certainly an alternate Earth, separate from the first series (Eureka, Ao, the Scub Coral, and possibly the Secrets and Truth seem to be the only factors bridging these two worlds together). Read through the previous discussions for more detail. I will say, however, if they don't explain at some point why children are the only capable IFO pilots, then I'll be pretty pissed. BXRBudda said: I just wish these episodes would be less episodic and contain more story arcs. The idea that these events are self contained really kills the story for me. To an extent I agree, but there has been a gradual story arc mostly dealing with the politics and intrigue Gen Bleu has been forced to confront in the last several episodes. I imagine they'll be important for the viewer to understand crises yet to occur, and establish the certain international constraints and enemies that Generation Bleu will have to overcome to combat the bigger problem. Also, while I understand that Gen Bleu is an organization that (seemingly) exists to solely combat Secrets (also extracting quartz), and consequently must deal with the constant elimination of such, it would be nice to deviate from the formula a little more often, or at least substantiate the Secret problem in some way that either raises the stakes, or adds some twist to the destruction thereof. Regarding Truth, I understand that he's supposed to come off as enigmatic and powerful, but even I'm starting to get tired of him flaunting his strength without any visible consequence - something needs to happen with him soon, or he's just going to go down as another disappointingly shallow villain. |
DangerrJun 22, 2012 4:41 PM
Dangerr said: InfiniteDestiny said: This keeps being unlikeable for me, also i dnt like the whole concept that the world is practically incompetent, i mean seriously the entire country of America is so weak that they need to rely on kids to save them O_O It's not that the U.S. is incompetent, but that traditional warfare is practically useless against secrets; I highly doubt they could withstand a nuke, but you see the obvious dilemma in such an action.. Not trying to burst your bubble but that is pretty much saying they are incompetent, if they can't use the weapons because of the aftereffects then in this scenario they might as well not have them, end result=the world can't fight with secrets so they have to depend on kids as their saviors.....i mean seriously T_T |
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InfiniteDestiny said: Dangerr said: InfiniteDestiny said: This keeps being unlikeable for me, also i dnt like the whole concept that the world is practically incompetent, i mean seriously the entire country of America is so weak that they need to rely on kids to save them O_O It's not that the U.S. is incompetent, but that traditional warfare is practically useless against secrets; I highly doubt they could withstand a nuke, but you see the obvious dilemma in such an action.. Not trying to burst your bubble but that is pretty much saying they are incompetent, if they can't use the weapons because of the aftereffects then in this scenario they might as well not have them, end result=the world can't fight with secrets so they have to depend on kids as their saviors.....i mean seriously T_T Errr . . . the person you quoted suggested NUKES, of all things. I really don't think it's fair to say the US is incompetent because they won't stoop to dropping NUKES to eradicate Secrets etc. when most other traditional weapons are shown to be ineffective. Considering how large of an area on land a nuke would affect, and how bad the aftereffects of that would be, I can't really see why the US would chance using those. As ridiculous is it is to rely on child pilots, in this hypothetical scenario the nukes are still a lot more horrible in comparison. And now for the reply I had meant to post before I felt compelled to reply to the above person: I really enjoyed the second half of this episode. Ao's little trick with the pop-up tent was neat. |
InfiniteDestiny said: Dangerr said: InfiniteDestiny said: This keeps being unlikeable for me, also i dnt like the whole concept that the world is practically incompetent, i mean seriously the entire country of America is so weak that they need to rely on kids to save them O_O It's not that the U.S. is incompetent, but that traditional warfare is practically useless against secrets; I highly doubt they could withstand a nuke, but you see the obvious dilemma in such an action.. Not trying to burst your bubble but that is pretty much saying they are incompetent, if they can't use the weapons because of the aftereffects then in this scenario they might as well not have them, end result=the world can't fight with secrets so they have to depend on kids as their saviors.....i mean seriously T_T They have to rely on child pilots, because they're supposedly the only ones who can pilot IFOs, which seem to be the only weapon platform capable of reliably and effectively combating Secrets. It was mentioned in the episode that the U.S. is not accustomed to fighting Secrets, so they didn't want to risk their precious reserve of IFOs against this threat -- at least not yet. Generation Bleu by far and away has the monopoly on the most high-tech IFOs, especially considering that they likely were the first creators of such (Based upon the Nirvash or theEND, most likely). It is for this reason, in the end, that they had to resort to Generation Bleu's help, though it's not because they were incapable of dealing with it themselves. |
Raigerzero said: On the downside, I was confused with Ao's over-the-top reaction when the Options appeared. I believe he has encounter near-death before (or seen others die), so why is so afraid (he should be afraid, but still have his sensibilities)? Furthermore, I am again annoyed with Truth's BS powers. It was bad enough with flying, random explosions, telekinesis, lasers, shapeshifting, and shockwaves. Now he can teleport pieces of land? What can't he do? Also, I don't understand what he wants with the Secrets. He always appears, gets people killed, and does nothing definitive. There is no possible excuse or reason for the random killing. Those he kills can't harm him. What does he do, eat souls or something? The killing is stupid. Also, he wants the Nirvash? What's the hold-up? He can easily find them (as he always does apparently) and defeat them with his superpowers. I am also wondering about his statement "The Secrets aren't what you think they are" (paraphrase). Is he talking to the characters or is this a break in the 4th wall. I am curious to find out what he means. Also, I wonder why that Secret targeted humans. It seems that this is either extremely rare or unprecedented. Going on with that idea, it also seems that Scub Bursts in the US are rare or never result in the development of Secrets. It seems suspicious a bit to me that the only Secret in the US has such a strange trait. I think Ao was crippled by fear at the "Options" for a couple of reasons: 1- The feeling of helplessness, as he usually at least has an IFO to fight back, where here, he doesn't. 2- Being part-Coralian, and assuming that Secrets are either born from, or are deeply related to the Scub Coral, he might have some sort of empathic connection to them - sensing their malevolent will to kill him. As for Truth, I agree; he remains enigmatic while lacking charisma, and we still don't know what personally drives him - I feel it will be answered, but giving us something to go off of would be nice. |
| This series doesn't appeal at all compared to the original. They've lost track of what made the first series so interesting to viewers :p |
Dangerr said: BXRBudda said: I just wish these episodes would be less episodic and contain more story arcs. The idea that these events are self contained really kills the story for me. To an extent I agree, but there has been a gradual story arc mostly dealing with the politics and intrigue Gen Bleu has been forced to confront in the last several episodes. I imagine they'll be important for the viewer to understand crises yet to occur, and establish the certain international constraints and enemies that Generation Bleu will have to overcome to combat the bigger problem. Also, while I understand that Gen Bleu is an organization that (seemingly) exists to solely combat Secrets (also extracting quartz), and consequently must deal with the constant elimination of such, it would be nice to deviate from the formula a little more often, or at least substantiate the Secret problem in some way that either raises the stakes, or adds some twist to the destruction thereof. I guess it's a matter of having enough detail to progress to something different. The politics is a new interesting dynamic and there you're right in saying there is a relationship we need to know before moving on. But when will the backstory stop and the real conflict begin? I'm just being impatient I suppose. Only time will really tell, as well as subsequent episodes of course ; D |
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| Are you kidding me, how stupid are those Secrets and why didn't they attack the helicopters?! I didn't buy it at all when Ao lost it, it just came out of nowhere. Truth needs to tell us some things, stop that overused hinting and yeah, what the hell is going on with Naru? She was kidnapped, Ao didn't do shit to find her and now that Truth shows up, she is the first thing he thinks of. BXRBudda said: Watching Ao freak out reminds me of the episode when Renton realizes he's was killing people in LFOs. That was one of many moments that pissed me off, seriously. Dangerr said: They have to rely on child pilots, because they're supposedly the only ones who can pilot IFOs, which seem to be the only weapon platform capable of reliably and effectively combating Secrets. It was mentioned in the episode that the U.S. is not accustomed to fighting Secrets, so they didn't want to risk their precious reserve of IFOs against this threat -- at least not yet. Generation Bleu by far and away has the monopoly on the most high-tech IFOs, especially considering that they likely were the first creators of such (Based upon the Nirvash or theEND, most likely). It is for this reason, in the end, that they had to resort to Generation Bleu's help, though it's not because they were incapable of dealing with it themselves. Why don't you just admit that they were not able to deal with the situation? |
Zhou said: Are you kidding me, how stupid are those Secrets and why didn't they attack the helicopters?! It's yet to be seen if they're truly intelligent, or a completely reactive, pseudo-life-form (something akin to a virus). One thing seems certain, and it's that they perceive the environments around them fundamentally different from humans (or typical terrestrial life-forms, for that matter). Zhou said: I didn't buy it at all when Ao lost it, it just came out of nowhere. I mentioned in a post above for the possible reasons, but I agree, it seemed a bit dis-proportionally dramatic in comparison to the situation. Zhou said: Truth needs to tell us some things, stop that overused hinting and yeah, what the hell is going on with Naru? She was kidnapped, Ao didn't do shit to find her and now that Truth shows up, she is the first thing he thinks of. Ao's done as much as he can to find her within the confines of his situation; he can't very well leave Gen Bleu and hope to find her, with her association to the seemingly untraceable Truth; his greatest chance to find her is to obviously stick with Gen Bleu, as Truth's schemes seem directly intertwined with its workings. Zhou said: Why don't you just admit that they were not able to deal with the situation? Not in a practical, or meaningful way - nuking a secret would be just as detrimental, if not more so to the local populous than just allowing it to raze the vicinity to the ground. Generation Bleu was the only viable option -- something the governor seemed (overly) reluctant to concede doing. One would think though that the ultimate authority would lie with the executive branch of the government, and not that of the state, so that's... interesting. |
| Just wanted to ask since theres a lot of discussion about Ao's reaction to people dying. Did any of the previous episodes had him actually witness people dying/disappearing right in front of him? Instead of in the distance or through a screen monitor. But yea, the recovery was pretty quick that it didn't connect that well. And to chip into the 'inconsistencies' thing, E7AO's world is more similar to ours in regards to America and Japan. Unless I'm remembering wrong, but E7 did not have any similarities with our world, pretty much a different world and unrelated to E7AO. |
atruong18Jun 22, 2012 10:48 PM
| I'm just waiting on Renton lolol. I've been waiting for a while to see some sort of picture of him. I mean, he is the main protagonist from Eureka Seven and I hope he gets some spotlight soon... Well, he better atleast have a badass entrance.. *Crosses Fingers* |
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| with Rebecca is stating to be a love, hate situation, sometime she cool and sometime a all out bitch. im stating to like the chief more and more each time you can really see how passionate he really is toward protecting those kids Ao to me is not a likeable lead 1st he's way to badyish, one minute hes traumatized then one minute hes fine. 2nd he let em mess with nirvash something eureka wouldnt let anyone do. 3rd he just has nothing going for em right to make me like em. can someone explain why now only kid can fly ifo's, wasnt like that in the one, so why flip the script all of the sudden? i will keep watch just for the series sake. |
Ahri said: Rykimaruh said: To be honest I'm starting to like Chief Ivica more than the rest of he cast. Your avatar..... lol I thought the same thing. and @ dangerr, whenever I read your comments in my head I hear them in pride/wrath's voice. It's perfect I hope this series starts having some interesting plot events soon. |
lilmp89 said: As for what the American military was doing. I saw it as all politics. Nothing to do with trying to beat it, just to get information and diplomacy (at least with Pied Piper). The more troops that were lost, the more Pied Piper would be willing to accept because of their own morals (which don't see to be completely clear just yet). That's actually a very good way to summarize the situation, and I love it; goes to show the kind of corruption and bullshit Gen Bleu has to maneuver themselves around in order to get anything done, all the while avoiding to snare themselves into any external schemes that could bring about their downfall. Vuyo said: . and @ dangerr, whenever I read your comments in my head I hear them in pride/wrath's voice. It's perfect Haha, I'll take that as a compliment - Bradley is one of my favorite characters/antagonists. |
| It's time to uphold my promise to provide more juicy analysis concerning E7 Ao. Let's take a stab at it. There have been many questions concerning Ao's universe and its inconsistencies. I think one way to look at them is from the writer's point of view. As evidenced so far, E7 Ao wants to make social commentary while maintaining within the confines of this fantasy world and engaging the viewer with some mecha action. What messages does E7 Ao want us to get? 1) A sense of frustration imbues much of Ao's adult world like our frustration with our politicians and elites. Truth embodies this frustration. He does what we want to do--lash out at the world with hopes that someone will eventually understand. His actions make much more sense with this perspective. In the previous episode, Truth manipulates Nakamura, the only radical in the Japanese Military, in order to gain an ally for his cause. In this episode, Truth hopes that senseless death of civilians would wake America up to its misunderstandings. Even his attack on Generation Bleu can viewed as his frustration at the only organization that could do something, but is doing nothing. 2) An emphasis on what matters without all the necessary cobwebs of life is best symbolized by the children of the sky. Unlike adults with ravaging biases, only love and life matter for children. The children of E7 Ao are best suited to bring about that clarity to the adults through their piloting of IFOs. Thus, it would only make sense if children pilot IFOs, not adults. What evidence do I have? In this episode, Ivica mentions how the children are the pipers, leading him into conflict, not the other way around. In the previous episodes, we have always seen children, especially Ao, acting against the scheming adults' orders in order to save lives of people. 3) Generation change is crucial for any group or organization to survive and thrive. On Okinawa, it isn't the people in charge that deal with the Secret situation, rather, it's Gazelle and his company along with Ao and Naru that really get to the bottom of this conflict. In a sense, the rest of Okinawa's inhabitants have survived because of its newest generation's timely action. The same is true with Generation Bleu, with emphasis on newer generations. This episode further cements the need for generational change with America as an example. Even though America has IFOs, it is unwilling to let its children take over. As a result, the older generation tried to destroy the Secret and failed miserably. Again, the children save the day. In addition, I do not believe that E7 Ao is just another Mecha/Romance series like E7. I would also characterize it as a mystery. We have no clue what Truth intentions are; we can only deduce from his actions. Just like in a mystery, we are given characterization of the many side characters. Even the major conflict of this story, what is a secret/scrub coral, is slowing being revealed. Don't you feel that every episode is answering a few questions while posing many more questions like a good mystery? |
| Ao kinda lost it and gained it backa bit to soon, lol but look at all dat Quakers oats and Glad in that shopping mall! |
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s2012k1993 said: It's time to uphold my promise to provide more juicy analysis concerning E7 Ao. Let's take a stab at it. 1) A sense of frustration imbues much of Ao's adult world like our frustration with our politicians and elites. Truth embodies this frustration. He does what we want to do--lash out at the world with hopes that someone will eventually understand. His actions make much more sense with this perspective. In the previous episode, Truth manipulates Nakamura, the only radical in the Japanese Military, in order to gain an ally for his cause. In this episode, Truth hopes that senseless death of civilians would wake America up to its misunderstandings. Even his attack on Generation Bleu can viewed as his frustration at the only organization that could do something, but is doing nothing. That's actually an interesting way of looking at it, and it does indeed make sense from this perspective. However, I think you're giving the writers too much credit on this front, as I doubt they intended his actions to be as nuanced and interpretive as you seem to be subscribing to. Still, I hope I'm wrong here, as that summarization of his actions really do add depth to his character. s2012k1993 said: 2) An emphasis on what matters without all the necessary cobwebs of life is best symbolized by the children of the sky. Unlike adults with ravaging biases, only love and life matter for children. The children of E7 Ao are best suited to bring about that clarity to the adults through their piloting of IFOs. Thus, it would only make sense if children pilot IFOs, not adults. What evidence do I have? In this episode, Ivica mentions how the children are the pipers, leading him into conflict, not the other way around. In the previous episodes, we have always seen children, especially Ao, acting against the scheming adults' orders in order to save lives of people. Again, I like your thematic interpretation of child pilots, and do believe it holds some credence towards their presence. No matter how good of a reason that can be given, however, it is undisputably a tired trope in the mecha genre, and unless it's given a good reason, will only induce eye-rolling from us jaded connoisseurs of such. Thus far, we lack that good reason, or even a reason at all; people are frustrated not knowing the technical explanation, despite whatever thematic relevance it may bear. I'm still holding out on this point, though. s2012k1993 said: In addition, I do not believe that E7 Ao is just another Mecha/Romance series like E7. I would also characterize it as a mystery. We have no clue what Truth intentions are; we can only deduce from his actions. Just like in a mystery, we are given characterization of the many side characters. Even the major conflict of this story, what is a secret/scrub coral, is slowing being revealed. Don't you feel that every episode is answering a few questions while posing many more questions like a good mystery? Regarding the mystery element, I agree: I believe it's actually one of the greatest strengths this series has going for it (as well as the original). A sign of good storytelling is to deliberately give the audience something vague to chew on, instilling subtleties, and not being afraid to withhold from spoon-feeding your plot. Sloppy, mechanical exposition seems to be standard fare anymore not only in the anime industry, but entertainment at large - It's one of the great reasons I'm willing to overlook some of Ao's glaring flaws more than I typically would with other properties, as it has a genuine propensity for nuanced storytelling. That is not to say that it's perfect, however, as it's built a fairly comfortable routine with its monster-of-the-week format, which has stifled other more interesting routes such a story could be told. To be honest, I've been more impressed with the background conflicts and various subplots than I have thus far with the relatively unsubstantiated main story, though it seems it'll be kicking into gear here soon enough. |
Dangerr said: s2012k1993 said: It's time to uphold my promise to provide more juicy analysis concerning E7 Ao. Let's take a stab at it. 1) A sense of frustration imbues much of Ao's adult world like our frustration with our politicians and elites. Truth embodies this frustration. He does what we want to do--lash out at the world with hopes that someone will eventually understand. His actions make much more sense with this perspective. In the previous episode, Truth manipulates Nakamura, the only radical in the Japanese Military, in order to gain an ally for his cause. In this episode, Truth hopes that senseless death of civilians would wake America up to its misunderstandings. Even his attack on Generation Bleu can viewed as his frustration at the only organization that could do something, but is doing nothing. That's actually an interesting way of looking at it, and it does indeed make sense from this perspective. However, I think you're giving the writers too much credit on this front, as I doubt they intended his actions to be as nuanced and interpretive as you seem to be subscribing to. Still, I hope I'm wrong here, as that summarization of his actions really do add depth to his character. I guess the question is whether the nuance we are seeing in Truth deliberate or not? Given the director/storyboard is the same as the one for E7, I guess I'm more of an optimist. At least, in Truth's case, his actions just don't add up if one imagines him as a crazy all-powerful deux ex machina. The series will definitely takes its time in building up Truth (he already has a sympathizer in the under-developed Naru). I just hope he won't become another one of those misguided villains that the main character forces change upon. Dangerr said: Again, I like your thematic interpretation of child pilots, and do believe it holds some credence towards their presence. No matter how good of a reason that can be given, however, it is undisputably a tired trope in the mecha genre, and unless it's given a good reason, will only induce eye-rolling from us jaded connoisseurs of such. Thus far, we lack that good reason, or even a reason at all; people are frustrated not knowing the technical explanation, despite whatever thematic relevance it may bear. I'm still holding out on this point, though. The technical explanation really couldn't matter more. I mean, what rationale did Evangelion or its followers use? Though the trope is overused, I think E7 Ao is using it differently. Though the ultimate message might be to find hope in children, I think E7 Ao is challenging it before resting on it. We have seen adults manipulate these children and sometimes, the very same children act more mature than the actual adults. Remember Goldilocks or Christophe Blanc setting up Fleur and Ao to intervene without their knowing that the footage they saw was fake. I am probably analyzing too deep, but I really hope E7 Ao trudges along these lines. There is a lot of potential, and now that the halfway point is reaching, E7 Ao needs to start kicking hard. One thing, however, E7 Ao is finding very difficult navigating is its fans. I want this series to find its own niche, one that may be different from the original E7. Unfortunately, fans expect E7 Ao to not forget its mecha origins, thus, E7 Ao has to take this detour known as monster-of-the-week formula to inject some mecha scenes. It's a sad reality, but I think E7 Ao is finding the right balance between pleasing its fans and staying true to itself. |
s2012k1993Jun 23, 2012 4:03 AM
| I really enjoyed this episode very great character development. It would be interesting if Renton was Truth but I highly doubt it. |
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| WOW! Finally this series has the E7 atmosphere :) However, it's still not there yet, and I feel like 24 episodes are far from enough. I love the way it's progressing, though the lack of upcoming episodes is scary. |
| -Just Believe- |
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